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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Yagnasri » 25 Jan 2020 07:37

There are not many legislative requirements for BJP except maybe UCC that are close to the base of the party. YCP can always be managed to work to the will of BJP ( or any other party in power in GoI) due to the CBI cases on Jagan.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 25 Jan 2020 10:02

ShyamSP wrote: This is the video I was looking for when I mentioned about YCP person. https://youtu.be/XRBEqmcD-ZQ?t=570


I saw this video before. One of my TDP friend forwarded it to me to show "how YCP and BJP are working together". YCPs strategy all the way from Vijaya sai reddy to this Ravi chandra reddy who appears in this video is to convince everyone that Modi/Shah are on their side. The funny thing in that video is no one is willing to listen to BJPs Ramakotaiah who is shouting from the roof top thats not the case. He was getting shouted down by that anchor.

That anchor Venkat Krishna is a Commie Kamma from Nizamabad who in this youth was involved with naxalite activities. He is always anti-BJP.

Like wise there are some "political analysts" in Telugu media who are getting into limelight with their "political analysis".

1. Prof K.Nageshwar - From Telangana. Dont know his caste. But Anti-BJP, Pro-Left

2 Telakapalli Ravi - Communist. Brahmin by birth. Pro-CPM, Anti-BJP

4. Nagarjuna Reddy - Reddy casteist, Pro-YSRCP, anti-TDP

5. Journalist Sai - Kapu from Vijayawada. Pro-BJP

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ShyamSP » 25 Jan 2020 10:47

Rony wrote:
ShyamSP wrote: This is the video I was looking for when I mentioned about YCP person. https://youtu.be/XRBEqmcD-ZQ?t=570


I saw this video before. One of my TDP friend forwarded it to me to show "how YCP and BJP are working together". YCPs strategy all the way from Vijaya sai reddy to this Ravi chandra reddy who appears in this video is to convince everyone that Modi/Shah are on their side. The funny thing in that video is no one is willing to listen to BJPs Ramakotaiah who is shouting from the roof top thats not the case. He was getting shouted down by that anchor.


I don't go by media or politicians or any narrative but by my own pattern/dot-matching. This is one dot to keep in mind.

Rony wrote:That anchor Venkat Krishna is a Commie Kamma from Nizamabad who in this youth was involved with naxalite activities. He is always anti-BJP.

Like wise there are some "political analysts" in Telugu media who are getting into limelight with their "political analysis".

1. Prof K.Nageshwar - From Telangana. Dont know his caste. But Anti-BJP, Pro-Left

2 Telakapalli Ravi - Communist. Brahmin by birth. Pro-CPM, Anti-BJP

4. Nagarjuna Reddy - Reddy casteist, Pro-YSRCP, anti-TDP

5. Journalist Sai - Kapu from Vijayawada. Pro-BJP


* I thought AP24x7 media person Venkat Krishna [Parvathaneni] is related to P(arvathaneni) Upendra, ex Union minister and from Vijayawada. On a quick search, it looks like he is from Warangal and not related to P Upendra. In AP, this guy quickly replaced TV9 which now became TRS media after a Velama person grabbed it from Ravi Prakash. He now takes the old TV9's narrative of "Merugaina Samajam Kosam" (for vibrant society) [slight leftist tinge]. On a side note, it is somewhat a better/decent channel than other news channels in AP.

1. Prof K.Nageshwar - From Telangana [Adilabad]. [Vysya]. But Anti-BJP, Pro-Left [and Anti-TDP]
5. Journalist Sai - Kapu from Vijayawada. [takes Pro-BJP Pro-JS Pro-YCP sides at different times to be Anti-TDP]

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby chetak » 25 Jan 2020 17:49

this was expected when vijayan was wildly casting about everywhere for "funds" for the victims. The commies merely wanted to steal whatever they could lay their grubby hands on.


are the commies expecting the GoI to pay for their electoral funds :mrgreen:


from op India

Kerala Government fails to produce utilisation certificate of money released for 2018 floods, Centre denies more fund




On Thursday, a senior official from the Ministry of Home Affairs said that the Centre will not allocate any additional funds to the Kerala government after it failed to produce utilisation certificates for 50% of funds allotted after the 2018 floods.
Reportedly, the State government had asked for an additional Rs 2,000 crore for flood damages in 2019 from the National Disaster Relief Fund (NDRF).

The official stated that around ₹ 3,048.39 crores were allocated to Kerala in December 2018. The State government only spent a little over ₹900 crores. No utilisation certificate has been provided for the balance around ₹2,100 crores. Which means more than half of the sanctioned amount remains unspent.

Additionally, no utilization certificate had been produced for the first tranche of funds yet. Hence, more funds could only be released after the recipient of the utilisation certificate.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 25 Jan 2020 20:52

ShyamSP wrote:
* I thought AP24x7 media person Venkat Krishna [Parvathaneni] is related to P(arvathaneni) Upendra, ex Union minister and from Vijayawada. On a quick search, it looks like he is from Warangal and not related to P Upendra.


He is born in Warangal but i am told that education and brought up is in Nizamabad. Was very active in Leftist/naxalite student activities. He comes from a Communist Kamma family who migrated from Andhra to Telangana decades back.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 25 Jan 2020 20:56

Telangana municipal Corporations results

(TRS + MIM) vs (Congress + TDP + Communists) vs BJP alone

Results - TRS sweeping victory.

But BJP moving closer to fill the opposition space

https://twitter.com/VDPAssociates/statu ... 38944?s=20

Big news coming in from Telangana.TRS has won massive landslide victory but big surprise Cong has now lost Opposition status to BJP whose state unit is considered extremely weak.6 years after AP bifurcation Cong has now lost even main Opposition status to BJP


TRS sweep in Telangana local bodies biggest in Telangana history outstripping Jalagam Vengal Rao record.Biggest surprise however is BJP displacing Cong as main Opposition


https://twitter.com/Tweeter_wapsi/statu ... 65889?s=20

BJP repeating Odisha story in Telangana...
Will get close to 35% vote share in 2024..

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ShyamSP » 25 Jan 2020 22:04

Rony wrote:Telangana municipal Corporations results

(TRS + MIM) vs (Congress + TDP + Communists) vs BJP alone

Results - TRS sweeping victory.

But BJP moving closer to fill the opposition space

https://twitter.com/VDPAssociates/statu ... 38944?s=20

Big news coming in from Telangana.TRS has won massive landslide victory but big surprise Cong has now lost Opposition status to BJP whose state unit is considered extremely weak.6 years after AP bifurcation Cong has now lost even main Opposition status to BJP


TRS sweep in Telangana local bodies biggest in Telangana history outstripping Jalagam Vengal Rao record.Biggest surprise however is BJP displacing Cong as main Opposition


https://twitter.com/Tweeter_wapsi/statu ... 65889?s=20

BJP repeating Odisha story in Telangana...
Will get close to 35% vote share in 2024..


I just checked the results. I don't see BJP did well except in Nizamabad.
120 Municipalities: TRS 107 INC 7 BJP 2 Others 4
2727 wards: 1570 535 234 372

When vote shares come it gives better insight but looks like in multi-angle/Triangular (unlike in AP) fights TRS wins thumbs down and sweeps.
Money and Welfare programs grab "voters" and it is tough to move them, voters, esp lower rung, with idealistic ideas. TS is luckily in Revenue positive state due to Hyderabad/Cyderabad so they can continue welfare programs until other aspects of governance start failing. As INC and BJP are in opposite polar so it is always an advantage to TRS.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby chetak » 25 Jan 2020 22:23

ShyamSP wrote:
Rony wrote:Telangana municipal Corporations results

(TRS + MIM) vs (Congress + TDP + Communists) vs BJP alone

Results - TRS sweeping victory.

But BJP moving closer to fill the opposition space

https://twitter.com/VDPAssociates/statu ... 38944?s=20





https://twitter.com/Tweeter_wapsi/statu ... 65889?s=20



I just checked the results. I don't see BJP did well except in Nizamabad.
120 Municipalities: TRS 107 INC 7 BJP 2 Others 4
2727 wards: 1570 535 234 372

When vote shares come it gives better insight but looks like in multi-angle/Triangular (unlike in AP) fights TRS wins thumbs down and sweeps.
Money and Welfare programs grab "voters" and it is tough to move them, voters, esp lower rung, with idealistic ideas. TS is luckily in Revenue positive state due to Hyderabad/Cyderabad so they can continue welfare programs until other aspects of governance start failing. As INC and BJP are in opposite polar so it is always an advantage to TRS.




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Telangana municipal Corporations results
TRS-153
BJP-59
Cong-39
MIM-20
Cong has lost major Opposition status to BJP

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Karthik S » 25 Jan 2020 22:59

Rony wrote:Telangana municipal Corporations results

(TRS + MIM) vs (Congress + TDP + Communists) vs BJP alone

Results - TRS sweeping victory.

But BJP moving closer to fill the opposition space

https://twitter.com/VDPAssociates/statu ... 38944?s=20

Big news coming in from Telangana.TRS has won massive landslide victory but big surprise Cong has now lost Opposition status to BJP whose state unit is considered extremely weak.6 years after AP bifurcation Cong has now lost even main Opposition status to BJP


TRS sweep in Telangana local bodies biggest in Telangana history outstripping Jalagam Vengal Rao record.Biggest surprise however is BJP displacing Cong as main Opposition


https://twitter.com/Tweeter_wapsi/statu ... 65889?s=20

BJP repeating Odisha story in Telangana...
Will get close to 35% vote share in 2024..



Rony garu, has TRS become as secular as NCP or TMC?

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 26 Jan 2020 00:09

ShyamSP wrote:
I just checked the results. I don't see BJP did well except in Nizamabad.
120 Municipalities: TRS 107 INC 7 BJP 2 Others 4
2727 wards: 1570 535 234 372

When vote shares come it gives better insight but looks like in multi-angle/Triangular (unlike in AP) fights TRS wins thumbs down and sweeps.
Money and Welfare programs grab "voters" and it is tough to move them, voters, esp lower rung, with idealistic ideas. TS is luckily in Revenue positive state due to Hyderabad/Cyderabad so they can continue welfare programs until other aspects of governance start failing. As INC and BJP are in opposite polar so it is always an advantage to TRS.


https://twitter.com/VDPAssociates/statu ... 74944?s=20

Complete results of Telangana local body elections

Results Summary

1.TRS attaining supremacy at all levels like BJD in Odisha
2.TRS crossed 50% vote share.
2.Opposition still nowhere near TRS but BJP replacing Cong as main Opposition gains North Telangana districts.
3.Cong municipality seats majorly from 3-4 districts

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 26 Jan 2020 00:15

Karthik S wrote: Rony garu, has TRS become as secular as NCP or TMC?


IMO Equal or more than that. After his victory in latest municipal elections, KCR says he wont accept CAA or NRC and will make effort to mobilize non-congress secular parties against CAA. If KCR is the king, Owaisi is the Kingmaker behind him. Whole Telangana is in the hands of these two families . Its Razakar's rule through backdoor. KCR govt overlooked the violence of Razakar jihadis on Hindus in Bhainsa. Unlike Owaisi senior, Owaisi junior does not mince words. He openly says in his jihadi rallies that KCR/KRT are their "paltu kutta". Even then shameless KCR/KTR wont even utter a word against the Owaisi's. Razakar-Velama/Reddy alliance has a long centuries of history in Telangana. During Congress rule, it was Reddy-Muslim alliance. Now its Velama-Muslim alliance.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ShyamSP » 26 Jan 2020 06:24

chetak wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:
I just checked the results. I don't see BJP did well except in Nizamabad.
120 Municipalities: TRS 107 INC 7 BJP 2 Others 4
2727 wards: 1570 535 234 372

When vote shares come it gives better insight but looks like in multi-angle/Triangular (unlike in AP) fights TRS wins thumbs down and sweeps.
Money and Welfare programs grab "voters" and it is tough to move them, voters, esp lower rung, with idealistic ideas. TS is luckily in Revenue positive state due to Hyderabad/Cyderabad so they can continue welfare programs until other aspects of governance start failing. As INC and BJP are in opposite polar so it is always an advantage to TRS.




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Telangana municipal Corporations results
TRS-153
BJP-59
Cong-39
MIM-20
Cong has lost major Opposition status to BJP


They had a good showing in Nizamabad so the higher numbers but they still don't show wider strength. Looks like BJP failed in Telangana too to make any inroads. This should open other local parties to revive their parties back as they can be better at local politics. If BJP weakens further by the next general elections, unfortunately, dying INC may pick up ground if INC compromises with its offshoots.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby chetak » 26 Jan 2020 08:21

ShyamSP wrote:
chetak wrote:


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They had a good showing in Nizamabad so the higher numbers but they still don't show wider strength. Looks like BJP failed in Telangana too to make any inroads. This should open other local parties to revive their parties back as they can be better at local politics. If BJP weakens further by the next general elections, unfortunately, dying INC may pick up ground if INC compromises with its offshoots.


The BJP is reviled both in telengana as well as andhra.

during the partition, they should have had the common sense to let the actual guilty parties take the hit for the division instead of which they waded greedily in with each aspiring bjp clown thinking that he was going to be the next cm.

the end result is there for all to see.

even now, they should lie low because they simply do not have the political capital to make any appreciable difference or even make some headway in the short to medium term.

they should quietly concentrate on consolidating their position in an incremental way without making waves and build themselves an organisational structure before they launch out in a big way.

In the meanwhile, they should get rid of all the political refuse and riff raff from other parties that they have foolishly accumulated.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Karthik S » 26 Jan 2020 08:31

Rony wrote:
Karthik S wrote: Rony garu, has TRS become as secular as NCP or TMC?


IMO Equal or more than that. After his victory in latest municipal elections, KCR says he wont accept CAA or NRC and will make effort to mobilize non-congress secular parties against CAA. If KCR is the king, Owaisi is the Kingmaker behind him. Whole Telangana is in the hands of these two families . Its Razakar's rule through backdoor. KCR govt overlooked the violence of Razakar jihadis on Hindus in Bhainsa. Unlike Owaisi senior, Owaisi junior does not mince words. He openly says in his jihadi rallies that KCR/KRT are their "paltu kutta". Even then shameless KCR/KTR wont even utter a word against the Owaisi's. Razakar-Velama/Reddy alliance has a long centuries of history in Telangana. During Congress rule, it was Reddy-Muslim alliance. Now its Velama-Muslim alliance.


Velama are tiny minority group, what happened to other indics? Why are they voting for KCR still, may be they are yet to smell the coffee.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Shanmukh » 26 Jan 2020 17:39

The full partywise results of the Telangana urban local body polls are here.

https://tsec.gov.in/AbstractResultReport.se

The full candidatewise results are here.

https://tsec.gov.in/knowPRUrban.do

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Postby chetak » 26 Jan 2020 19:00

Shanmukh wrote:The full partywise results of the Telangana urban local body polls are here.

https://tsec.gov.in/AbstractResultReport.se

The full candidatewise results are here.

https://tsec.gov.in/knowPRUrban.do



lesson for Congress Party which created Telangana State....lost Andhra Pradesh too...

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby chetak » 26 Jan 2020 22:41

This is interesting: Justice A Muhamed Mustaque who signed off the judgment for the Court was considering a petition filed by a private unaided school, imparting elementary education, challenging the State’s action of closing down the school on the premise that it promoted exclusive religious instruction and admitted only students from one particular community thereby posing threat to the secular fabric of society.

Then again, It looks a fraud played on the Hindus. Their schools are not exempted from RTE while those of Christians and Muslims are. So inevitably it is only the Hindus who cannot impart traditional education to their kids



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Schools recognised under RTE Act, not entitled to impart religious instruction or religious study of one religion exclusively, says Kerala High Court [Read Judgment]




Schools recognised under RTE Act, not entitled to impart religious instruction or religious study of one religion exclusively, says Kerala High Court [Read Judgment]





Schools recognised under RTE Act, not entitled to impart religious instruction or religious study of one religion exclusively, says Kerala High Court [Read Judgment]

“Since it offends the very fabric of the secular society, the Government is justified in ordering closure of the school”, said the High Court.

January 24,2020

IN a significant judgment delivered on Friday, the Kerala High Court held that no school, which is required to have recognition under the Right to Education Act, is entitled to impart religious instruction or religious study of one religion exclusively in preference to other religion.

The High Court also held that the private school, which requires recognition, is entitled to impart religious instruction or study based on religious pluralism after obtaining permission from the State Government.

Justice A Muhamed Mustaque who signed off the judgment for the Court was considering a petition filed by a private unaided school, imparting elementary education, challenging the State’s action of closing down the school on the premise that it promoted exclusive religious instruction and admitted only students from one particular community thereby posing threat to the secular fabric of society.

Denying the relief to the school, the High Court noted there was a clear finding that the petitioner-school imparted religious instruction exclusively following Islamic religion. This, according to the High Court, could not be permitted.

“Since it offends the very fabric of the secular society, the Government is justified in ordering closure of the school”, said the High Court.

The High Court, however, taking note of the peculiar facts and circumstances of the case, said that an opportunity should be given to the petitioner to desist from imparting religious instructions or study without permission from the Government.

Justice Mustaque in his judgment also lamented on the importance of education, secularism and private body that discharges public functions. He, thus, noted that:

“A private body that discharges public functions must adhere to constitutional values in regard to the discharge of pubic functions. It cannot adopt any character contrary or repugnant to constitutional morality or value. Individual freedom available to a private body to promote his own belief or faith is not available to a private body when it discharges public function. It is bound by public morality conceived in the Constitution. Public morality is the morality dictated by the Constitution. Public functionaries, therefore, cannot have their own morality independent of the one envisaged in Constitution. Every public functionary is, therefore, bound to sustain the shared morality of a multi cultural society”.

He added “a private institutions which impart elementary education discharge State function. The test of determination of State action of a private body is the nature of the authority related to the action. If the action emanates from the authority sanctioned by State, such action must satisfy all elements for validity based on constitutional norms”.

“Education plays an important role in transforming the character of civil society. In preambular justice, the Constitution lays importance to fraternity. Fraternity in diverse society can be achieved only by incorporating values in the education imparted. This must be attained through a multi-cultural pedagogy. There needs to be a value-based education to promote values of multi-cultural societies”, Justice Mustaque said.

The High Court also issued direction to the Secretary of General Education Department to issue a general government order directing all recognised private schools in the State to desist from imparting religious instruction or religious study without permission from the Government.

“If the Government finds that in spite of the direction, schools including that of the petitioner violates such order, the Government can initiate action for closure and derecognition of such schools”, said the High Court.

High Court also made it clear that it had not denounced value education moulded on the basis of religious instruction or study. It had only considered the point in relation to State function being discharged through elementary school.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 27 Jan 2020 03:58

Theeran wrote:
Rony wrote:https://www.opindia.com/2020/01/rss-tamil-nadu-state-government-textbook-10th-board-partition-muslims-education/

After direction of Madras HC, Tamil Nadu govt to remove portion from textbook that claimed RSS was anti-Muslim


Not a surprise as Loyola teachers are used to write the syllabus for TN social science textbooks. Here is one of them boasting that Jesuit ideas have been inserted into the syllabus from 1st to 10th std.


One of hour total entertainment. Father Joe has a PhD in anthropology from Oxford, UK :roll: and also was

- Visiting Faculty, IIT-Madras, Chennai, India (Perspectives in Social Sciences)
- Visiting Faculty at XLRI Business School, Jamshedpur, India (Consumer Behaviour)

In the above lecture he says he was given 11 points out of 10 points by XLRI students :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Postby Vayutuvan » 27 Jan 2020 04:02

Karthik S wrote:Velama are tiny minority group, what happened to other indics? Why are they voting for KCR still, may be they are yet to smell the coffee.


There is no BJP leadership in TS, as per ground reports. Other Indics are still with TRS cutting across all caste lines.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 27 Jan 2020 04:04

chetak wrote:The BJP is reviled both in telengana as well as andhra.


Not in TS, as far as I know. Problem is that there is dynamic leadership. Old guard is into making money through tenders which are put up in collaboration with people in power.

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Postby Rony » 27 Jan 2020 05:06

BJP is not there yet but clearly improving its position in Telangana

Election results point to BJP’s ascent in Telangana

The urban local body elections on Saturday clearly indicate that the political graph of BJP is on the ascent in Telangana with the saffron party winning nearly 240 municipal wards and divisions. The saffron party has improved its performance and tally not only in the municipalities and corporations in the state, but gained significantly in urban local bodies on the periphery of Greater Hyderabad.

BJP won three municipalities — Amangal, Tukkuguda and Makthal — and emerged as single largest party in Nizamabad municipal corporation and a couple of other local bodies.

Though BJP finished at third place behind TRS and Congress, which were first and second respectively, the results of the 2020 municipal polls is no mean achievement for BJP, which had managed to win just 167 wards and divisions in the 2014 ULB polls, that too after contesting the elections in alliance with TDP then. This time BJP went alone.

Even though BJP did not have candidates in 700-odd of the 3,052 wards that went to polls, the saffron party not only improved its tally, but has managed to get representation in over 60% of the total 129 municipalities and municipal corporations which went to the polls on January 22.


In the Meerpet municipal corporation, BJP emerged as the second largest party, winning 16 wards as against 19 by TRS and three by Congress. In the Badangpet corporation, the the saffron party was runner-up with 10 seats against 13 by by TRS and seven by Congress.

However, BJP leaders, including its state president K Laxman, who have been claiming that BJP has emerged as an alternative to the ruling TRS and is the main opposition party in Telangana was no match to TRS. Also, BJP secured 50% less wards than the Congress.

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Postby Rony » 27 Jan 2020 05:11

Karthik S wrote: Velama are tiny minority group, what happened to other indics? Why are they voting for KCR still, may be they are yet to smell the coffee.


For the same reason why people vote Mamata in Bengal, Kejri in Delhi, Commies in Kerala and Congis in MP and Rajasthan. As you said, they are yet to smell the coffee.

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Postby Rony » 27 Jan 2020 05:22

Rony wrote:
BJP MLA Raja Singh put under house arrest, says Owaisi’s party behind the attack on Hindus in Bhainsa

Raja Singh, BJP MLA from Goshamahal, Telangana, was placed under house arrest on Tuesday after he announced his decision to visit the Karyakartas of Hindu Vahini in Bhainsa town, where communal clashes had erupted on Sunday night. Soon after he made the announcement on Monday, a large number of policemen were deployed at his residence to prevent him from undertaking the visit.

The BJP leader, on Tuesday, accused the Police of political partisanship and claimed that the leaders of TRS and AIMIM were permitted to visit the area but not him. “I planned to go Bhainsa on Tuesday but before I could start, a police team placed me under house arrest and posted police picket outside my house to prevent me from stepping out,” he said.

Earlier, he had accused Asaduddin Owaisi’s party of being responsible for the mob violence against Hindus where houses were set on fire and looted.



More on the Bhainsa voilence

Jihadi mob attacks Hindu homes in Bhainsa - 18 houses belonging to Hindus burnt and properties looted

The trouble began when a Muslim youth was admonished by elders for his rash driving and for using abusive language against the residents of Korba street, Bhainsa town, according to local people.

Keeping this in mind, the Muslim youth returned with a mob of around 400-500 Muslims after 9 pm, and started violence by burning parked two wheelers and pelting stones on residents. The mob also cut the water pipes of fire engines which rushed to the spot to extinguish the rapidly spreading fire.

It has been reported by locals that the mob has exclusively targeted houses belonging to members of Hindu Vahini organisation and went on a rampage with criminal intent.

In this violence, eight police personnel were injured. As per the latest reports, section 144 has been imposed in the town. Internet and phone services are also reportedly not working.


Remember the Bhainsa violence

Finally MIM took over Bhainsa

Results from the elections of Bhainsa Municipality in Telangana.

AIMIM: 15
BJP: 9
Independents : 2
TRS: 0

Total wards : 26

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Karthik S » 27 Jan 2020 10:00

Rony wrote:


Remember the Bhainsa violence

Finally MIM took over Bhainsa

Results from the elections of Bhainsa Municipality in Telangana.

AIMIM: 15
BJP: 9
Independents : 2
TRS: 0

Total wards : 26



Heard there is an exodus from there right after the violence. May be it was all planned. Is Bhainsa strategically located?

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby OmkarC » 27 Jan 2020 10:41

Those who are talking of TRS as a "caste" party dont know anything about Telangana politics. There are of course caste biases in TG like rest of India, but the overwhelming reason why KCR has won is his style of governance matches Telangana sensibility very well. It is the right mixture of development + appeasement of all politically important communities + constant reinforcement of positive sentiment.

He comes across as the toughest/strongest leader to clearly distinguish him from the rest of .. right now, he is undoubtedly the strongest political leader in entire southern India.

Dont see him from the MIM-favoritism prism, Muslims are just one of the communities he appeases.

I told you all earlier there is no way he can lose.. and if he goes on this way, neither in 2024.. some recent events:

a) Handling the RTC employee strike. He broke that strike very tactfully and showed iron resolve. Today any govt employee is more or less scared to indulge in strikes in the aftermath of his response.

b) The Encounter of killers of Priyanka Reddy - played up his tough image.. this is something even Yogi or Mamata wouldn't dare. There was a lot of emotional satisfaction for everyone in TG at least, am sure it had upped his positive image.

c) General sensibility and culture.. the day the riots on CAA & NRC started, when peacefuls ran riot in Delhi, Bengal and other regional leaders were throwing vulgar abuses at Modi, KCR & his family were a stark contrast - control law & order, attending Pravachanam on Mahabhagavatam, honoring Vedic priests and talking about spiritual values.

Despite all his chumminess with the Owaisi Bros, please note he is the one who encountered Gangster Nayeem to help police take revenge against the assassination of IPS officer Vyas, which was a big morale boost for police in the entire state... and he also got a few other notorious Muslim mobsters bumped off apparently.. including a certain fella who took a vow to kill 1 police officer every December 6th each year and managed to kill over 10-12 innocent cops till KCR govt came to power and got him.

BJP or Congress dont have any leaders to challenge him right now.. BJP should change their party president to someone who is younger and more dynamic - Bandi Sanjay or D Aravind or Raghunandan Rao.. it has to be one of these 3 and give them wings/resources to fly.

The Achilles heel of KCR is his dangerous cozying up to the Owaisi bros, whose impact needs to be brought out and explained to locals clearly.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 27 Jan 2020 10:46

Karthik S wrote: Heard there is an exodus from there right after the violence. May be it was all planned. Is Bhainsa strategically located?



Bhainsa is located at the border of Maharashtra on NH 61 which connects Bhiwandi near Thane/Mumbai to Nirmal town which is the Bhainsa's district headquarters. In Bhainsa election, MIM and TRS had a understanding and some TRS candidates had even withdrew themselves giving those wards to MIM on a platter. It did not help that BJP candidate selection was not up to the mark.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby OmkarC » 27 Jan 2020 10:48



Pawan Kalyan who recently declared alliance with BJP, openly espousing Hindutva now..

Those who dont follow Telugu, he is asking people "wasn't secularism in danger when someone was shouting he will kill all Hindus in 15 mins if police were removed ?"

Having him as an ally could be a big boost for BJP in AP.

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Postby Aditya_V » 27 Jan 2020 14:20

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ShyamSP » 27 Jan 2020 23:31

OmkarC wrote:

Pawan Kalyan who recently declared alliance with BJP, openly espousing Hindutva now..

Those who dont follow Telugu, he is asking people "wasn't secularism in danger when someone was shouting he will kill all Hindus in 15 mins if police were removed ?"

Having him as an ally could be a big boost for BJP in AP.


"Cameraman Ganga tho Rambabu" dialogues, changing persona from "Che Guevara" to "Jai Guruva", and having brother perched in INC while him with BJP all need some time to soak. He had some good things going on as independent party and people started noticing but suddenly this joining with BJP upsets all the political equity he garnered and reduce him to caste politics that is going in AP. Even with him, ultimately BJP needs to show they are doing something good in Andhra without playing dirty politics behind with YCP to be any meaningful in AP.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ShyamSP » 27 Jan 2020 23:52

OmkarC wrote:Those who are talking of TRS as a "caste" party dont know anything about Telangana politics. There are of course caste biases in TG like rest of India, but the overwhelming reason why KCR has won is his style of governance matches Telangana sensibility very well. It is the right mixture of development + appeasement of all politically important communities + constant reinforcement of positive sentiment.

He comes across as the toughest/strongest leader to clearly distinguish him from the rest of .. right now, he is undoubtedly the strongest political leader in entire southern India.

Dont see him from the MIM-favoritism prism, Muslims are just one of the communities he appeases.

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BJP or Congress dont have any leaders to challenge him right now.. BJP should change their party president to someone who is younger and more dynamic - Bandi Sanjay or D Aravind or Raghunandan Rao.. it has to be one of these 3 and give them wings/resources to fly.

The Achilles heel of KCR is his dangerous cozying up to the Owaisi bros, whose impact needs to be brought out and explained to locals clearly.


Good post. In other words, MIM can hide behind and BJP doesn't have direct enemy to grow with standard formula. BJP rose in 70s and 80s due to communal conflicts in Telangana, mainly in Hyderabad. When NTR/TDP cleaned up Hyderabad, BJP fortunes also declined. Muslim/MIM influence went down as Telugus/Andra people took over Hyderabad in 80s and new Cyber trends started in 90s. Now after the split they have new friend to sort of reinstate its old model of Nizam-Dorala Rajyam and now in this eco-system is Dora is new Nizam and MIMs are new Doralu.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ramana » 28 Jan 2020 03:44

Twitter handle was saying that BJP voteshare in TG:
2018 VS 7% -> 2019 LS-> 20%-> 2020 Municipal Elections ->25%
They hope to reach 35% and form govt.

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Matter of when not if.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Yagnasri » 28 Jan 2020 13:14

They need to change leadership of BJP in TG. It is a must and shall be the first step. Massive dissatisfaction was there in the last elections to the assembly and there were predictions from the ground that INC is back. But then CBN with his INC + TDP drama handed over the elections to the KCR on the platter. BJP voters also ended up voting to KCR just to stop CBN. We have to understand that in AP and TG in 2019 it is the anger on CBN that many BJP voters to vote for KCR and even EJ Jagan. In 2019 AP elections CBN created false rumors that he is winning again. Almost everyone were thinking that he will win.Entire Telugu Media barring Sakshi was on CBN side. As a result most of the BJP and even Pavan Kalyan voters consolidated behind EJ Jagan resulted in his landslide win.

Now the sin of voting to a EJ rule is coming to punish Hindus in AP. But even today there is lot of anger in BJP supporters on CBN.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 28 Jan 2020 20:12

Yagnasri wrote:They need to change leadership of BJP in TG. It is a must and shall be the first step. Massive dissatisfaction was there in the last elections to the assembly and there were predictions from the ground that INC is back. But then CBN with his INC + TDP drama handed over the elections to the KCR on the platter. BJP voters also ended up voting to KCR just to stop CBN. We have to understand that in AP and TG in 2019 it is the anger on CBN that many BJP voters to vote for KCR and even EJ Jagan. In 2019 AP elections CBN created false rumors that he is winning again. Almost everyone were thinking that he will win.Entire Telugu Media barring Sakshi was on CBN side. As a result most of the BJP and even Pavan Kalyan voters consolidated behind EJ Jagan resulted in his landslide win.

Now the sin of voting to a EJ rule is coming to punish Hindus in AP. But even today there is lot of anger in BJP supporters on CBN.


This is true. Many BJP/RW supporters in AP supported CBN inspite of knowing all his misdeeds because he was seen as better bet compared to EJ Jagan. But last one year before elections, the viciousness with which CBN/TDP/yellow social media went after Modi/BJP stunned us all. They threw BJP under the bus and tried to shift all their failures onto BJP instead of facing Jagan unitedly with BJP. It was not just politics and policies. They went personal about Modi, they threw chappals on Amit Shah. In order to hit at BJP, they abused Hindutva and RSS. CBN funded Congress in Karnataka to hit BJP. Even joined hands with NTR's enemy Congress at center . Their social media wing talked about North-South divide, separatism and what not. They parroted Paki propaganda on Balakot. It was very bitter. I am glad CBN lost and his and his supporters arrogance came crashing down.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 29 Jan 2020 00:18

Finally, saffron flag hoisted in Nizamabad

Giving a major shock to all political parties, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) emerged victorious in the Nizamabad Municipal Corporation (NMC), infringing all political equations and speculations that prevailed during the municipal elections held on January 22.

Though the ruling pink party managed to bag most urban local bodies (ULBs) across the State, the defeat in NMC has reportedly stupefied the TRS leadership which had expected victory here as well. In a major drawback, the TRS managed to get only the third position in the municipal corporation, behind All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen (AIMIM).


Will TRS align with MIM ?

Meanwhile, all the eyes are now focused on the mayor post and are waiting to see how the BJP, MIM and TRS will play the cards in their deck to bag the same. Though the saffron party managed to emerge as the single largest party in the city, if the TRS and MIM came forward as a single force, they will have 29 seats in total, which would help them bag the mayor post.

It should be remembered that though the party managed to get only 10 seats in the last civic polls to NMC, it made a pact with MIM, which won 16 seats and was on a tie with the Congress, and bagged the mayor post.‘Hindutva’ helps BJP. It is the Hindutva slogan that helped the saffron party emerge as the single largest political party in NMC. As part of the strategy, the cadre and local leaders popularised the Hindutva slogan and continued campaign against TRS and MIM. It should be mentioned that MP Arvind too played a key role in popularising the slogan.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ramana » 29 Jan 2020 06:06

MP D. Arvind 'too' played a key role! In fact he was mainly instrumental in the win!!!

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby LakshmanPST » 29 Jan 2020 11:45

In a way, lot of problems in AP are indirectly due to CBN...
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One of the main reasons Coastal Andhra & Rayalaseema areas opposed separate Telangana is losing Hyderabad...
Hyderabad in erstwhile United AP was developed by funds from all regions... People from all areas moved and helped in its growth... So, ppl from other areas wanted it to be the common capital on the lines of Chandigarh (which is not possible due to its location right in the middle of Telangana)... They atleast wanted a share in Hyderabad revenue for some years (which I personally feel is a genuine demand)...
Neither of them were granted and Hyderabad completely went to Telangana...

So, the strong sentiment among ppl of Coastal Andhra & Rayalaseema is not repeat the mistake of Hyderabad, where you concentrate all development in one city...
Subconsciously, CBN was blamed for loss of Hyderabad since it was during his tenure that Hyderabad changed significantly, and same was continued by subsequent Congress govts....

Further, ppl from all sub-regions of remaining AP wanted capital to be in their respective regions... CBN was given power in 2014 only becoz. he was seen as an experienced CM compared to inexperienced Jagan...

CBN's decision to locate capital in Amaravati was logically correct since it is the Central location in remaining AP... In his first speech in the Assembly back in 2014, CBN announced allround development plans like X-hub in Vizag, Y-hub in Kurnool, X-hub in Kakinada etc.... So, everything was going fine and ppl saw hope...

Then, one fine day Amaravati plans were revealed...
Amaravati was going to be a new Greenfield city more than thrice the size of Vijayawada... And the entire Vijayawada-Guntur area is going to be declared as a 'Capital Region' and a new 'Capital Region Development Authority' (CRDA) was constituted...
There were detailed maps released in all newspapers about the locations all the facilities and development planned in CRDA and all XYZs perviously announced in other regions ended up within the new 'Capital Region'...
The mistake CBN did is not limiting Amaravati to administrative purposes... Instead he wanted to create another Hyderabad...

Initially, he was saying that money for the new city will come from Singapore, then Japan and things went on that way... He acquired lot of agricultural land for development without giving them proper assurances...

Adding to this, the AP Reorganization Act was worded arbitrarily without going into specific details... Ex.:- It was written that Centre will provide funds for providing essential facilities in new capital including Assembly, Secretariat, High Court etc....

But with money provided by Centre, he built 'temporary' assembly, 'temporary' secretariat etc...
Two years after announcement of capital, and no visible development in any area, he started demanding money from Centre for the entire city of Amaravati... All his earlier talk about Singapore & Japan were forgotten and he laid the entire blame for non-development of Amaravati squarely on Modi...
The bile against Modi and Shah in the next 2 years was too much... He even allied with Congress, once their arch rivals... He tried to influence Karnataka elections against BJP... His party cadres attacked Amit Shah's convoy... They spread too much fake news about many things using their pet media...

But while TDP & cadre were fixated on Amaravati & BJP, they failed to see the larger resentment of ppl in other areas...
Ppl from other areas only saw a CBN fighting for Amaravati, not a CBN fighting for the state... All they saw was CBN trying to build another Hyderabad by hook or crook...

BJP supporters in AP were divided... Some voted TDP to keep 'bigger evil' Jagan out... Some voted Jagan to teach CBN a lesson... Some voted BJP for a losing cause...

In the end, TDP lost everywhere... There are TDP fans who still believe that TDP lost becoz. of EVM manipulation by Modi/Shah...

CBN had 5 years to build the capital... All he had to do was build permanent buildings between Vijayawada & Guntur and issue a notification... He should have simply declared that Amaravati will be an administrative capital only...

His obsession to build another Hyderabad cost him everything... And laying the blame on BJP cost him entire BJP votebank...
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And Jagan's idea of 3 capitals is the most Tughlaki decision ever... He actually restarted the regional issues that actually died down 2-3 years back...
He should have simply declared Amaravati as administrative-only capital and be done with it... Instead the 3 capital idea reopened the can of worms...

Vizag is the only relatively developed city in AP... It has lot of industries like Steel Plant, HPCL Refinery, Naval Base, Major Port etc.... They feel they're the most deserving candidates for capital...
The main part of a capital is the Secretariat... Locating Secretariat in Vizag will once again bring the same problem of concentrated development...

Though ppl from other areas think Vijayawada-Guntur belt is developed, fact is the opposite... VGTM area do not have any major industries... There is always resentment among the ppl there that they got a raw deal inspite of being located in the Central location with lot of natural resources & major road and rail lines passing through it... Andhra University was originally planned in Vijayawada, but was shifted to Vizag due to politics of the time... There are these kind of incidents and now capital came & gone again to Vizag...

Similarly, Kurnool was once the capital of Andhra state for 3 years before creation of AP... Now all they got is a highcourt...
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It will take few more years for things in AP to stabilize... BJP needs to take the place of TDP... BJP lacks both cadre & leadership in AP, unlike in TG where it is relatively strong & growing in many areas...
AP being the prime target for conversions after TN, really need a Hindu Nationalist party to become a political force there...

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby chetak » 29 Jan 2020 21:45

We are preparing ourselves for the second phase of #CAAProtests if SC verdict is against them. No court in the country is bigger than the might of these protestors. We are ready with our weapons & are identifying the targets ~ Dr Fazal Gafoor, President Muslim Educational Society

https://twitter.com/Satyanewshi/status/1222508944863531009

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Jay » 29 Jan 2020 22:00

LakshmanPST wrote:In a way, lot of problems in AP are indirectly due to CBN...
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You it the nail on the head. Though, I would lay the blame 100% on CBN, he more than made sure with his myopic vision, and engagement the state went back to EJ mafia. CBN was simultaneously a blessing and a curse and his present avatar, he is more of a curse.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ShyamSP » 29 Jan 2020 22:17

Jay wrote:
LakshmanPST wrote:In a way, lot of problems in AP are indirectly due to CBN...
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You it the nail on the head. Though, I would lay the blame 100% on CBN, he more than made sure with his myopic vision, and engagement the state went back to EJ mafia. CBN was simultaneously a blessing and a curse and his present avatar, he is more of a curse.


Some people can't come out of propaganda script even after he got defeated and don't see BJP enabling EJ mafia instead accusing him "indirectly or 100%". Instead of working on good things for people how long BJP works with behind the scenes dramas which are much more visible to common people than before as they are put in spot to respond and they are faltering to work with people and recently brought in new Pothuraju.


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