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Postby Rony » 29 Jan 2020 22:57

ShyamSP wrote: Some people can't come out of propaganda script even after he got defeated and don't see BJP enabling EJ mafia instead accusing him "indirectly or 100%". Instead of working on good things for people how long BJP works with behind the scenes dramas which are much more visible to common people than before as they are put in spot to respond and they are faltering to work with people and recently brought in new Pothuraju.


BJP enabling EJ Jagan in AP is just a TDP propaganda point. From a BJP perspective, EJ Jagan is like a Islamist. You see what you get. You know what your are dealing with. But CBN/TDP are like cunning EJs. They wear saffron robes, they talk like us but deep down they hate us. They give you all help but only if you convert and come to their side. If you dont convert, they will demonize you like anything. CBN/TDP are a bigger threat for emergence of a Hindu nationalist force in AP than EJ Jagan and as such BJP's primary job should be to finish off CBN/TDP.

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Postby vijayk » 30 Jan 2020 02:17

For CBN, Family first.His SON has to inherit at any cost. He will back stab anyone and every one for that.

He back stabbed NTR, Vajpayee, Modi/Shah and Telugu people. He refused to have patience or trust anyone including his own TDP men.

That is because it is a party of scammers and looters with no ideology. No trust. Just money making organization.

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Postby ramana » 30 Jan 2020 07:44

Don't you guys think you are getting too personal?

I suggest cooling off.

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Postby Rony » 30 Jan 2020 08:50

Two badminton players. Two contrasts.

Both Saina and Jwala are badminton stars.
Both are from Hyderabad.
Jwala became a keep of Azharuddin and became a Liberandu.
Saina married a Andhrite and fellow badminton player Parupalli Kashyap and joined BJP

Liberandu Jwala takes a jibe at Saina for joining BJP.
Jwala Gutta mocks Saina Nehwal with cryptic tweet, gets slammed by Twitterati

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Postby Rony » 30 Jan 2020 09:34

AP CM Jagan Reddy’s family infighting over his Uncle Vivekananda Reddy’s murder

In a shocking revelation, AP Chief Minister YS Jagan Mohan Reddy’s cousin Dr Narreddy Sunita Reddy pointed fingers at several of the close members of YSR family as suspects in the murder of her father and former minister YS Vivekananda Reddy.

Dr Narreddy Sunita Reddy has filed a writ petition in AP High Court on Tuesday, seeking CBI probe. Sunita found fault with AP CM YS Jagan of not handing over the case to CBI although he came into power.

“]YS Jagan Mohan Reddy filed a writ petition in 2019 before High Court, seeking the relief of CBI enquiry and yet does not make such request through the State government, despite being the Chief Minister. Earlier YS Jagan expressed no confidence in the State police while he was an opposition leader. There was no need to reconstitute the SIT, There is absolutely no valid reason for the justification of reconstitution of SIT,” alleged Sunita in her writ petition.

She has accused Kadapa MP YS Avinash Reddy and other family members.

“Avinash Reddy was one of the first family member, who came to the scene of the offence at around 6.30 am on March 15. He was present in the vicinity when the cleanup was on. We believe that Avinash is protecting D Shiva Shankar Reddy for his misuse. Avinash is an MP and exerts a lot of influence on the bureaucratic system,” alleged Sunita.

She has further stated,that, “After Jagan took over as CM and after Gautham Sawang has taken charge of DGP of AP state, the SIT has been reconstituted with new members. The hierarchy of SIT is diluted by making Deputy Superintendent of Police as head of the team. Amit Garg CID ADG was excluded from the team”.

Narreddy Sunita also expressed doubts over the alleged suicide of one K Sreenivas Reddy a suspect in the Viveka’s murder case on September 2 in 2019.

“In the postmortem conducted over the body of Srinivas Reddy, the doctor expressed that some quantity of blood is found in the hepatorenal pouch. It would indicate the collection in the pouch would not be on account of poison, but it is on account of external or internal injuries. The injuries would have been caused by somebody else, and even the administration of poison would have been there to give a colour of suicide to that of a murder. There is no reason for a person residing in Proddutur town to go all the way to Kasunuru village and commit suicide in agriculture land,”.

Sunita in the writ petition,said, “The petition filed by YS Jagan is pending before the court, it leads to an irresistible assumption that he is still demanding the CBI probe, if this so it is not clear as to why, as the Chief Minister of the State, he is not requesting the CBI to take over the investigation and start afresh. This gives rise to several doubts about the intention of the State police in the implication of an innocent person in the case so as to allow the real culprits to go scot-free,”

Sunita has named several people as suspects in Viveka’s murder case including YS Avinash Reddy, his father YS Bhaskar Reddy, other relatives YS Manohar Reddy, YS Abhishek Reddy, former minister Adinarayana Reddy and others.

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Postby Yagnasri » 30 Jan 2020 11:33

As far as GoAP support to EJ activities concerned CBN is almost the same to Jagan. EJ mafia actively helped by CBN also. Jagan is more exposed as the entire pro CBN media exposed him on this and hid whatever CBN did. As far as BJP working behind the scene concerned there is not much vote moving power left to BJP in AP thanks to CBN backstabbing and his massive and continuous attack on BJP for months and months. Most of the BJP voters feared return of CBN and further attacks on NM from him. The entire vote was anti CBN vote than pro Jagan vote. Unfortunately Jagan took advantage of that. He also created rumors that he got converted in to a Hindu which also had some good % of vote benefit to him.

One has to note that CBN and TDP political background also comes from Trupuranani writings which are basically anti Brahmincal (whatever that means). The anti Brahmincal later converted into super caste identity and level of Kamma caste pride if one can call that reached its peek between 2014-19. THis naturally resulted in neglect and even attacks on temples and purohits therein. Destruction of temples in Vijayawada wherein Sri Hanuman Moorthy was dragged with a rop around its neck etc can be seen as party of that madness that gripped TDP and CBN.

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Postby Rony » 30 Jan 2020 19:35

Yagnasri wrote: As far as BJP working behind the scene concerned there is not much vote moving power left to BJP in AP thanks to CBN backstabbing and his massive and continuous attack on BJP for months and months.


TDP supporters fear is not state BJP which they dont care but Central BJP govt (Modi/Shah) which they imagine is helping Japan. TDPs wish list from BJP is that Central govt should use their influence via CBI/Courts and put Jagan in jail. Central govt should stop implementation of 3 capitals. If you dont do these things, they propagate BJP is Pro-Jagan and helping Jagan.

But the reality is unlike Congress, BJP does not use his constitutional powers to intervene in states as it pleases. It did not do it in West Bengal and Kerala when its cadres got killed and there were demands from state BJP to intervene in those states. It did not do it in AP when CBN banned CBI from AP. BJP sees its political struggle in the states different from its governance role at the Center.

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Postby chetak » 30 Jan 2020 20:15

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Illegal migrants flee #Assam and #Karnataka for #Kerala. According to Kerala police intelligence wing hundreds of illegal migrants have arrived in #Kozhikode, #Kannur and #Kasaragod. They consider Kerala a safe haven where #CAA_NRC_NPR won't be implemented

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Postby ShyamSP » 30 Jan 2020 22:50

Yagnasri wrote:As far as GoAP support to EJ activities concerned CBN is almost the same to Jagan. EJ mafia actively helped by CBN also. Jagan is more exposed as the entire pro CBN media exposed him on this and hid whatever CBN did. As far as BJP working behind the scene concerned there is not much vote moving power left to BJP in AP thanks to CBN backstabbing and his massive and continuous attack on BJP for months and months. Most of the BJP voters feared return of CBN and further attacks on NM from him. The entire vote was anti CBN vote than pro Jagan vote. Unfortunately Jagan took advantage of that. He also created rumors that he got converted in to a Hindu which also had some good % of vote benefit to him.

One has to note that CBN and TDP political background also comes from Trupuranani writings which are basically anti Brahmincal (whatever that means). The anti Brahmincal later converted into super caste identity and level of Kamma caste pride if one can call that reached its peek between 2014-19. THis naturally resulted in neglect and even attacks on temples and purohits therein. Destruction of temples in Vijayawada wherein Sri Hanuman Moorthy was dragged with a rop around its neck etc can be seen as party of that madness that gripped TDP and CBN.


Completely Wrong. TDP which formed in 1982 and Trupuranani(sic) who died in 1943(as per wiki) have no relation. In AP threads we discussed forces that led to TDP, viz., NTR, MGR/Tamilnadu influence, BCs, Kammas and other upper castes (essentially non-KHAM of Congress), Congress AP politics, Congress men (Nadella), non-CPI/CPM leftists, apolitical conservative Telugus, and erstwhile Swatantra party leaders. CBN beginnings were from Congress along with YSR both rose in Rayalaseema, at same time as Student, the youth, and the district (one Chittoor and one Kadapa) Congress leaders and then inducted as young ministers even before 1980 way before he married into NTR family. NTR needed key party lackey to run party affairs and CBN fit that bill post 1984 coup episode

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Postby ShyamSP » 30 Jan 2020 23:00

Rony wrote:
ShyamSP wrote: Some people can't come out of propaganda script even after he got defeated and don't see BJP enabling EJ mafia instead accusing him "indirectly or 100%". Instead of working on good things for people how long BJP works with behind the scenes dramas which are much more visible to common people than before as they are put in spot to respond and they are faltering to work with people and recently brought in new Pothuraju.


BJP enabling EJ Jagan in AP is just a TDP propaganda point. From a BJP perspective, EJ Jagan is like a Islamist. You see what you get. You know what your are dealing with. But CBN/TDP are like cunning EJs. They wear saffron robes, they talk like us but deep down they hate us. They give you all help but only if you convert and come to their side. If you dont convert, they will demonize you like anything. CBN/TDP are a bigger threat for emergence of a Hindu nationalist force in AP than EJ Jagan and as such BJP's primary job should be to finish off CBN/TDP.


If so they should campaign in AP as such and win people openly instead of shooting from behind through which they are not getting any credibility in AP. YCP family does that openly with bible in hand. Instead of enabling EJs they can enable temples by freeing from AP government which automatically fetch what they need.

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Postby Yagnasri » 31 Jan 2020 13:25

The a very large portion of the political and social ideas of Kamma community was influenced by the writings and teachings of thinkers from its community and one of them is Thripuraneni.(spelling corrected) It is a fact. One need not be alive to influence people with his ideas. Some of these ideas made the community very progressive which benefited them (and the society at large also)and some made them isolated in the larger Hindu society. One of them is the anti traditional Hindu society which in turn resulted in anti Brahmin community which is very unfortunate. One can not be go too far to look at that. The Budda statue the middle of the lake in Hyderabad and proposed Amaravathi symbol gives a clear indication. Most of them still very strong ideas on how Hindus leniently destroyed Budda religion and what not. The backing of Justice Party by them before independence is also a well known thing. Some of the educated in their community at least the old people are one of the strongest supporters of AIT.

NTR is influenced by Thipuraneni. That is openly said by their own party people for long. Even recently also there is a episode of Oka parajayam vanda thappulu (2019 made)in TV wherein the Brahmins voted against TDP the person who was speaking on TDP clearly states NTR influenced by Thripuraneni and all the steps taken by NTR during his earlier administration were influenced by that and Brahmins saw it as anti Brahmin as INC projected it as such. Still in 2014 brahmins in large number voted for TDP.

Tragic matter is NTR in fact any brought many communities which are not politically active in to politics and given positions. He made political far more broad based than INC ever did. Still he is seen as castist fellow by many. The actions which are seen as Anti Brahmins except which are taken in taking over the temples etc actually helped in creating better administration and control in long run.

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Postby chetak » 01 Feb 2020 20:17

commies don't deny themselves. :mrgreen:

In spite of excellent facilities being available in India

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CPM state secretary @b_kodiyeri undergoing treatment in US is recovering fast..

Thanks to good health care facilities of capitalist America!


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Postby chetak » 01 Feb 2020 20:30

this is also happening in the border areas near coimbatore


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Postby Rony » 02 Feb 2020 09:15

ShyamSP wrote: If so they should campaign in AP as such and win people openly instead of shooting from behind through which they are not getting any credibility in AP. YCP family does that openly with bible in hand. Instead of enabling EJs....


Forgot about BJP's credibility, what credibility TDP has other than among Kammas from 2 districts ? CBN passed resolution in the assembly for giving SC status for Dalit Christians. Both CBN and Jagan are EJ enablers. And both are evil for AP. YSRCP is both a Reddy castiest outfit and a EJ outfit. The solution for both castism and EJism is consolidation of Hindus under Hindutva. TDP does not fit into this scheme anywhere. For BJP to grow in AP and face EJs, TDP (and Janasena) has to go or merge with BJP. It has to be a direct fight between EJs and BJP. TDP has no ideology, no solutions for AP problems. Its a purely casteist outwit masquerading as a political party controlled by a dynastic family. I have huge respect for Sr. NTR for what he has done for Hindu society through his films based on Hindu epics and for advancing the interests for Backward castes. But CBN is not NTR and today's TDP is not a representative of Telugus.

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Postby Rony » 02 Feb 2020 09:29

If you want to know how the TDP eco system works, consider this.

AP based political analyst Duggaraju Srinivasa Rao who is not associated with RSS or BJP wrote his opinion piece in Organiser on 3 capitals issue with the title Tughlaqi Jagan. It was factual, unbiased and critical of Jagan's decision on 3 capitals. Within hours, TDP media like TV5 and anti-BJP media like AP 24/7 started debates on that opinion piece and speculating on its implications. Interesting thing is that author in the past also wrote Opinion pieces about CBNs corruption, his real estate mafia dealings in Amaravati etc but no media picked it up then and ignored him. Now when he wrote against Jagan, Yellow media is all over it and celebrating it as if Modi himself wrote that piece. Suddenly everyone in AP came to know that RSS has a magazine called Organiser.

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Postby Rsatchi » 02 Feb 2020 15:35

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Wow must be a pious/peaceful one!!! :shock:
Why do medicine hainji!!!
Prayer is going to be an antidote for everything! :)
Liberandus will only show some wierdo's urine or dung statement :twisted:

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Postby Rony » 02 Feb 2020 20:19

DMK hires ‘North Indian Brahmin’ Prashant Kishor to prepare for 2021 Assembly Elections in Tamil Nadu

M. K. Stalin, President of the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (DMK), confirmed on Sunday that Prashant Kishor, who was expelled from JDU recently by Nitish Kumar, is indeed working for the party ahead of the 2021 Assembly Elections in Tamil Nadu. It was earlier reported that DMK was in talks with Kishor when he was working for Mamata Banerjee in West Bengal.

“It will be interesting how leaders and cadres in DMK would react if the party engages the Bihari Brahmin Kishor. The DMK is certainly not a pro-Brahmin. With DMK’s anti-Hindi stance, it will be interesting to see a person from the Hindi land charting its political strategy,” political analyst Raveendhran Dhuraiswamy had told IANS as far back as in November 2019.

In Dravidianist circles, Brahmins are labeled as “Aryan colonialists” and very often assaulted. The central theme of Dravidianism, in their eyes, was atheism and Dravidian culture was the backbone of the entire movement. There is also Nazi-like anti-Brahmin propaganda that is rife in Dravidianist circles. The seriousness of the matter can be gauged by the fact that anti-Brahmin literature has also been produced by the founder of the DMK and former CM of Tamil Nadu, C.N. Annadurai.

DMK’s changing course has been apparent in recent times. For instance, after superstar Rajnikanth said that Periyar had denigrated Shri Rama and Sita Mata, instead of lionizing Periyar’s actions, Stalin had urged Rajnikanth to think and speak.

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Postby OmkarC » 03 Feb 2020 11:53

Rony wrote:
ShyamSP wrote: Some people can't come out of propaganda script even after he got defeated and don't see BJP enabling EJ mafia instead accusing him "indirectly or 100%". Instead of working on good things for people how long BJP works with behind the scenes dramas which are much more visible to common people than before as they are put in spot to respond and they are faltering to work with people and recently brought in new Pothuraju.


BJP enabling EJ Jagan in AP is just a TDP propaganda point. From a BJP perspective, EJ Jagan is like a Islamist. You see what you get. You know what your are dealing with. But CBN/TDP are like cunning EJs. They wear saffron robes, they talk like us but deep down they hate us. They give you all help but only if you convert and come to their side. If you dont convert, they will demonize you like anything. CBN/TDP are a bigger threat for emergence of a Hindu nationalist force in AP than EJ Jagan and as such BJP's primary job should be to finish off CBN/TDP.



This is quite right.. Jagan wants to finish off TDP, so should BJP.

Conditions are ripe for the emergence of Hindu resurgence in AP, there is a slow & steady low level attack against HIndus being perpetrated by "Religion of Love" followers.

Not sure the Pithapuram incident has been discussed in BRF.. ..

Seeing an EJ friendly CM in power, Christian fanatics have been emboldened in AP.. In a town called Pithapuram in East Godavari district more than 20 Hindu temples and idols were desecrated horrendously by fanatics from ROL.. No media, not even regional (as they are TDP/Communist dominated) are even bothering to telecast these attacks on Hindu temples, but at least Bharat Today and some some small Hindu groups are protesting.. what worse is that cops actually identified and questioned the perps, and then let them off due to the "trivial nature of their actions".. they were just called "miscreants" and let off w/o arrest.. disgusting indeed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPm-7PiVRTQ

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OmkarC wrote:This is quite right.. Jagan wants to finish off TDP, so should BJP.

Conditions are ripe for the emergence of Hindu resurgence in AP, there is a slow & steady low level attack against HIndus being perpetrated by "Religion of Love" followers.


This sounds like playing with fire to me. BJP might be thinking of using Jagan to finish off TDP while the whole time Jagan is using BJP to finish off TDP after which the much stronger Jagan will train his guns on the BJP and finish them off. AP is not like one of the NI states with a long standing grassroots level BJP network that they can rely on in a no holds barred fight.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 04 Feb 2020 06:10

Rony wrote:I have huge respect for Sr. NTR for what he has done for Hindu society through his films based on Hindu epics and for advancing the interests for Backward castes.

It is sad to see that none of the NTR's progeny inherited his work ethic and love for BCs. I would be pleased if aI am proved wrong.
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Postby LakshmanPST » 04 Feb 2020 07:45

Yagnasri wrote:Tragic matter is NTR in fact any brought many communities which are not politically active in to politics and given positions. He made political far more broad based than INC ever did. Still he is seen as castist fellow by many. The actions which are seen as Anti Brahmins except which are taken in taking over the temples etc actually helped in creating better administration and control in long run.


NTR might have done some good for some downtrodden Castes... But it does not mean that he has no Castist biases... He is called Anti-Brahmin not becoz. he abolished 'Karanikam's (which is the most commonly cited example)... It is far more deeper...
My father has personal experience of NTR's Castism during NTR's first stint as CM (Chandra Babu was his personal secretary back then)... We had to approach him due to an issue with our land... While I can't divulge the specific details (due to lack of any proof), but my father was asked by our Contact to mention a different Caste identity so as not to sabotage the process...
Apparently, there were separate ways with which he received ppl from his own Caste and ppl from other Castes... And doors were closed to particular Caste...

Another reason why he was called a Castist is becoz. of the Caste based violence that happened in Vijayawada during his rule... His move to bring ppl like Devineni 'Nehru' into mainstream politics led Congress to bring in Vangaveeti Ranga, which polarized the politics on Caste lines and later led to lot of riots in the city...
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Chandra Babu is actually better in this aspect compared to NTR... CBN is pure business mind and whaterver biases he has are also based on political & business opportunities... Unlike NTR, whose inherent biases influenced his rule...

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Postby Yagnasri » 04 Feb 2020 10:02

Quite possible on NTR bias. But TDP caste politics subsided after his first term. But the term between 2014 to 2019 show revival of these elements in a major way. Whether it was done with CBN blessings or not is unknown. People closed to his son Lokesh were actively involved in this as per some reports.

As I have written many times the major problem with CBN is his lack of strategic vision and failure to keep long term relations with his political allies. He always go for tactical moves and comes out as a man will ditch people whom he used after the immediate use is over.

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Postby OmkarC » 04 Feb 2020 23:49

nachiket wrote:
OmkarC wrote:This is quite right.. Jagan wants to finish off TDP, so should BJP.

Conditions are ripe for the emergence of Hindu resurgence in AP, there is a slow & steady low level attack against HIndus being perpetrated by "Religion of Love" followers.


This sounds like playing with fire to me. BJP might be thinking of using Jagan to finish off TDP while the whole time Jagan is using BJP to finish off TDP after which the much stronger Jagan will train his guns on the BJP and finish them off. AP is not like one of the NI states with a long standing grassroots level BJP network that they can rely on in a no holds barred fight.


Understand your concern, but as long as Jagan understands he has to rein in anti-Hindu elements with clear cut actions (for eg, visit that town and take strong action against the perps who did the idol vandalization in the video above, send message to his vote bank to stop antagonizing Hindus), what's the problem with him doing what it takes to finish off TDP ?? BJP doesn't have the wherewithals to do that and going into the next election cycle its better to have Jagan vs BJP, Pawan, rather than Jagan vs TDP w/ BJP, JanaSena playing 3rd rung.

TDP's wipe out is vital to the emergence of BJP.. Both have the same vote bank, but TDP also has caste-fanatic leadership that is also cozy with BIFs and anti-nationals.. Just look at how BJP is growing in Telangana, post the extinction of TDP over there.

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Postby chetak » 05 Feb 2020 01:28

OmkarC wrote:
nachiket wrote:This sounds like playing with fire to me. BJP might be thinking of using Jagan to finish off TDP while the whole time Jagan is using BJP to finish off TDP after which the much stronger Jagan will train his guns on the BJP and finish them off. AP is not like one of the NI states with a long standing grassroots level BJP network that they can rely on in a no holds barred fight.


Understand your concern, but as long as Jagan understands he has to rein in anti-Hindu elements with clear cut actions (for eg, visit that town and take strong action against the perps who did the idol vandalization in the video above, send message to his vote bank to stop antagonizing Hindus), what's the problem with him doing what it takes to finish off TDP ?? BJP doesn't have the wherewithals to do that and going into the next election cycle its better to have Jagan vs BJP, Pawan, rather than Jagan vs TDP w/ BJP, JanaSena playing 3rd rung.

TDP's wipe out is vital to the emergence of BJP.. Both have the same vote bank, but TDP also has caste-fanatic leadership that is also cozy with BIFs and anti-nationals.. Just look at how BJP is growing in Telangana, post the extinction of TDP over there.


TDP gets wiped out and then what.

does anyone imagine that the BIF behind jagan is so easily going to let the BJP flourish.

These guys are already on a roll in AP, TN, KAR and KER, not to mention punjab

the BIF has just managed to come back again after YSR moved on and they have learned some new tricks since the last time.

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Postby Rony » 05 Feb 2020 01:36

chetak wrote:
TDP gets wiped out and then what.

does anyone imagine that the BIF behind jagan is so easily going to let the BJP flourish.


BJP is not flourishing as it is now or before when it aligned with TDP.

Scenario 1

3 way contest between YSRCP vs TDP vs BJP-Janasena = YSRCP wins

Scenario 2

YSRCP vs TDP + BJP + Janasena = Could be like 2014. The alliance wins which means advantage TDP but BJP will never rise by itself and will be consigned to dustbin by TDP. EJs and BIFs will flourish and grow under the radar as usual.

Scenario 3

TDP disintegrates. Cadre and Votebank disperses but most will come to BJP. Janasena ultimately will merge with BJP or will be separate but junior partner.

Then Its YSRCP vs BJP = Advantage BJP. Even if it cant capture power first time, it will be the only alternative to YSRCP and anti-YSRCP votebank.
BJP can act independently and go after EJs and BIFs. This strategy has its risks but compared to where BJP is now, its the only viable option left.
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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby nachiket » 05 Feb 2020 01:45

Rony wrote:TDP disintegrates. Cadre and Votebank disperses but most will come to BJP. Janasena ultimately will merge with BJP or will be separate but junior partner.

It is never this simple. TDP's caste votebank and especially cadre will not seamlessly transfer to BJP if they blame the BJP for TDP's downfall in the first place.

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Postby Rony » 05 Feb 2020 01:51

nachiket wrote: It is never this simple. TDP's caste votebank and especially cadre will not seamlessly transfer to BJP if they blame the BJP for TDP's downfall in the first place.


TDP's caste vote bank = Kammas and BCs

BCs will come to BJP in absence of TDP and if they are not converted. They are the next target for EJs after SCs (who are mostly converted now).

Jagan/Reddy's wants to destroy Kamma's political base. They would need new political party either by creating new one or owning up an existing one. Even from a narrow Kamma caste perspective, once TDP disintegrates, they are better protected under BJP under Hindutva flag rather than outside. Outside BJP, Kamma's have only two options - Congress or Jansena, neither of them viable one which could protect their interests. Alternatively, they no longer have a strong charismatic leader like NTR who can set up a new party and make it successful.

The point is as things stand now, there is no way BJP can grow and by extension Hindutva can grow. Without BJP or any other Hindutva power taking control, AP is a gone case seeing how fast EJs are spreading. TDP is useless in controlling them. For BJP to grow, the field is too crowded. It needs to be reduced to a bi-polar contest with BJP being one pole. AP does not have RSS grassroots to grow from below. But time is running out and by the time RSS grows from grassroots, EJs would already be way too powerful and converted half of the population. So it has to be from top down. If it has to be through kootaniti, so be it. Dont forget had Modi lost, TDP-Congress alliance would have destroyed BJP by now.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 05 Feb 2020 05:02

Rony garu, isn't Jana Sena's vote bank is BC as well? If BCs supporting TDP transfer to JS, Kammas supporting TDP by themselves are not a big vote bank.

I agree that TDP needs to be cut down to size. Complete destruction may not be in the interest of BJP/JS alliance at least for the next election cycle.

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Postby Rony » 05 Feb 2020 05:30

Vayutuvan wrote:Rony garu, isn't Jana Sena's vote bank is BC as well? If BCs supporting TDP transfer to JS, Kammas supporting TDP by themselves are not a big vote bank.


BCs are not united block. One of the reason why TDP lost last time is it favored Kapu reservation which resulted in Other BCs backlash many of whom voted YSRCP. Also even among Kapus, Janasena does not enjoy full support. Many of them see it as PRP 2.0 and think PK will fail like his brother. In the absence of TDP, BC vote will split. Some (including converted) going to YSRCP and the rest going over to BJP-JS. In order to offset that split, BJP would need sections of Kamma, Rajus and Brahmins support.

BJP should not put all its eggs in a separate Janasena too. Pawan Kalyan is a fickle minded fellow who sings Cheguvera one day, Behenji other day and Modi some other time based on what his close advisers (many of whom with TDP ties) say. There is no guarantee he wont change his mind again. While for now, BJP/AS relented on their demand for total merger of JS, at some point in future that should be done.

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Postby ShyamSP » 05 Feb 2020 14:29

Rony wrote:
Vayutuvan wrote:Rony garu, isn't Jana Sena's vote bank is BC as well? If BCs supporting TDP transfer to JS, Kammas supporting TDP by themselves are not a big vote bank.


BCs are not united block. One of the reason why TDP lost last time is it favored Kapu reservation which resulted in Other BCs backlash many of whom voted YSRCP. Also even among Kapus, Janasena does not enjoy full support. Many of them see it as PRP 2.0 and think PK will fail like his brother. In the absence of TDP, BC vote will split. Some (including converted) going to YSRCP and the rest going over to BJP-JS. In order to offset that split, BJP would need sections of Kamma, Rajus and Brahmins support.

BJP should not put all its eggs in a separate Janasena too. Pawan Kalyan is a fickle minded fellow who sings Cheguvera one day, Behenji other day and Modi some other time based on what his close advisers (many of whom with TDP ties) say. There is no guarantee he wont change his mind again. While for now, BJP/AS relented on their demand for total merger of JS, at some point in future that should be done.


BJP split personality behavior currently is not attracting anyone vote block that matters. They want to shoot using one party on another is obvious to people. There is simply no genuine appeal in the way they are coming to people. So far their clever-by-half acts are seen as what we say in Telugu "Savala meda marmaralu erukovadam" (fetching rice crispies during death procession)

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Postby Rony » 05 Feb 2020 19:15

ShyamSP wrote: BJP split personality behavior currently is not attracting anyone vote block that matters. They want to shoot using one party on another is obvious to people.


That is a TDP propaganda which it is spreading among people. But thats the not the case. People like me are arguing if anyway TDP is spreading this propaganda, why not for once make it real ? As it is, BJP does not have any vote block now and TDP has already discredited it enough that there wont be any vote block unless BJP disrupt things as they stand now.

BTW, except for Kammas, TDP does not have any solid vote bank either. The BCs as the last election showed are split and no longer can be relied as solid TDP votebank.

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Postby ShyamSP » 05 Feb 2020 19:55

Rony wrote:
ShyamSP wrote: BJP split personality behavior currently is not attracting anyone vote block that matters. They want to shoot using one party on another is obvious to people.


That is a TDP propaganda which it is spreading among people. But thats the not the case. People like me are arguing if anyway TDP is spreading this propaganda, why not for once make it real ? As it is, BJP does not have any vote block now and TDP has already discredited it enough that there wont be any vote block unless BJP disrupt things as they stand now.

BTW, except for Kammas, TDP does not have any solid vote bank either. The BCs as the last election showed are split and no longer can be relied as solid TDP votebank.


We don't need to check TDP media, follow BJP statements and videos. Peoples' view in villages and towns on how they see government ruling and those opposing can form the basis for next voting, especially among floating/non-core voters, ignoring incentives during actual voting.

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Postby chetak » 05 Feb 2020 19:57

Rony wrote:
ShyamSP wrote: BJP split personality behavior currently is not attracting anyone vote block that matters. They want to shoot using one party on another is obvious to people.


That is a TDP propaganda which it is spreading among people. But thats the not the case. People like me are arguing if anyway TDP is spreading this propaganda, why not for once make it real ? As it is, BJP does not have any vote block now and TDP has already discredited it enough that there wont be any vote block unless BJP disrupt things as they stand now.

BTW, except for Kammas, TDP does not have any solid vote bank either. The BCs as the last election showed are split and no longer can be relied as solid TDP votebank.


Both in AP and in telangana, quite a bit of central funds was diverted to very questionable uses and the centre was somehow expected to turn a blind eye and continue to pay.

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Postby ShyamSP » 05 Feb 2020 20:08

chetak wrote:
Rony wrote:
That is a TDP propaganda which it is spreading among people. But thats the not the case. People like me are arguing if anyway TDP is spreading this propaganda, why not for once make it real ? As it is, BJP does not have any vote block now and TDP has already discredited it enough that there wont be any vote block unless BJP disrupt things as they stand now.

BTW, except for Kammas, TDP does not have any solid vote bank either. The BCs as the last election showed are split and no longer can be relied as solid TDP votebank.


Both in AP and in telangana, quite a bit of central funds was diverted to very questionable uses and the centre was somehow expected to turn a blind eye and continue to pay.


Some BJP leaders themselves are saying "Idi Kendra parimithi lo ledhu" ("this is not under Center's hands") :)

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Postby Rony » 05 Feb 2020 20:37

ShyamSP wrote: We don't need to check TDP media, follow BJP statements and videos. Peoples' view in villages and towns on how they see government ruling and those opposing can form the basis for next voting, especially among floating/non-core voters, ignoring incentives during actual voting.


Which BJP statements and videos proves that BJP and YSRCP are in collusion ? Except in Kamma and TDP fan groups, i dont see anyone else saying it. The floating voters see on the ground state BJP fighting YSRCP but on TV/yellow media where BJP has no presence, they see and hear that BJP and YSRCP are in collusion. This is all TDP's gameplan to discredit BJP. YSRCP on its part also does its own propaganda by saying they are in touch with Modi/Shah and doing everything with their consent. Their plan is to discredit state BJP which is fighting against it. That is why BJP should go on offensive and for once play the game which both TDP and YSRCP are accusing it of and actively sabotage both parties using the other.

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Postby Rony » 05 Feb 2020 20:42

ShyamSP wrote:
chetak wrote:
Both in AP and in telangana, quite a bit of central funds was diverted to very questionable uses and the centre was somehow expected to turn a blind eye and continue to pay.


Some BJP leaders themselves are saying "Idi Kendra parimithi lo ledhu" ("this is not under Center's hands") :)


Didn't TDP/CBN said the same thing when they were in power and Center asked to show the receipts and accounts ? or when CBN said he wont allow CBI to operate in AP ? Now the same TDP wants center to intervene when its goose is cooked.

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Postby ShyamSP » 05 Feb 2020 22:50

Rony wrote:
ShyamSP wrote: We don't need to check TDP media, follow BJP statements and videos. Peoples' view in villages and towns on how they see government ruling and those opposing can form the basis for next voting, especially among floating/non-core voters, ignoring incentives during actual voting.


Which BJP statements and videos proves that BJP and YSRCP are in collusion ? Except in Kamma and TDP fan groups, i dont see anyone else saying it. The floating voters see on the ground state BJP fighting YSRCP but on TV/yellow media where BJP has no presence, they see and hear that BJP and YSRCP are in collusion. This is all TDP's gameplan to discredit BJP. YSRCP on its part also does its own propaganda by saying they are in touch with Modi/Shah and doing everything with their consent. Their plan is to discredit state BJP which is fighting against it. That is why BJP should go on offensive and for once play the game which both TDP and YSRCP are accusing it of and actively sabotage both parties using the other.



Are you expecting like this below to have proof of "collusion":) ? I don't know what they talk in their caste and party fan groups unless they pop in public internet. TDP, YCP, BJP, INC can have their own propaganda and collisions but that is not my concern.

===
Trump praised Kim at a campaign rally on Saturday, saying that he and the North Korean leader "fell in love."

"I was really being tough and so was he," Trump said. "And we would go back and forth. And then we fell in love. No really. He wrote me beautiful letters."

* From: https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/40924 ... -appalling
===

Having said that, let me give you "proof" of double talk/split personality I mentioned. A few pages ago when Amaravati map issue came, BJP said then AP state Government didn't notify so they didn't put in map. Yesterday they said "officially in letter" AP state government notified them of Amaravati as capital some time in early 2015. They are from Delhi not state or any other party.

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Postby chetak » 05 Feb 2020 23:23

ShyamSP wrote:
Rony wrote:
Which BJP statements and videos proves that BJP and YSRCP are in collusion ? Except in Kamma and TDP fan groups, i dont see anyone else saying it. The floating voters see on the ground state BJP fighting YSRCP but on TV/yellow media where BJP has no presence, they see and hear that BJP and YSRCP are in collusion. This is all TDP's gameplan to discredit BJP. YSRCP on its part also does its own propaganda by saying they are in touch with Modi/Shah and doing everything with their consent. Their plan is to discredit state BJP which is fighting against it. That is why BJP should go on offensive and for once play the game which both TDP and YSRCP are accusing it of and actively sabotage both parties using the other.



Are you expecting like this below to have proof of "collusion":) ? I don't know what they talk in their caste and party fan groups unless they pop in public internet. TDP, YCP, BJP, INC can have their own propaganda and collisions but that is not my concern.

===
Trump praised Kim at a campaign rally on Saturday, saying that he and the North Korean leader "fell in love."

"I was really being tough and so was he," Trump said. "And we would go back and forth. And then we fell in love. No really. He wrote me beautiful letters."

* From: https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/40924 ... -appalling
===

Having said that, let me give you "proof" of double talk/split personality I mentioned. A few pages ago when Amaravati map issue came, BJP said then AP state Government didn't notify so they didn't put in map. Yesterday they said "officially in letter" AP state government notified them of Amaravati as capital some time in early 2015. They are from Delhi not state or any other party.



The elected govt in the state has the power to shift its capital where ever it chooses.

The centre, merely by indicating on a map where the capital was is doing no one any favours.

That said, the political debris from the fallout of the shift in the state govt will fall squarely on the govt that shifted it.

CBN did not choose amravati as the capital for architectural reasons as he and his political cohorts undoubtedly would have had many irons in the fire and their grubby fingers in many pies.

all political parties seem to think that looting the exchequer is their god given birthright.

the harder they fight, the more suspicious become the reasons of the TDP to oppose the new govt on this shift of capital issue. Not saying who is right and who is wrong.

CBN took an old and unused rusty knife, sharpened it all by himself, then proceeded to cut his own throat so, at the end of the day, no one has any sympathy for such people.

The TDP paid the price for its fatal opportunism.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 06 Feb 2020 01:21

ShyamSP wrote:
Are you expecting like this below to have proof of "collusion":) ?

Having said that, let me give you "proof" of double talk/split personality I mentioned. A few pages ago when Amaravati map issue came, BJP said then AP state Government didn't notify so they didn't put in map. Yesterday they said "officially in letter" AP state government notified them of Amaravati as capital some time in early 2015. They are from Delhi not state or any other party.


I asked you about "proof" of BJP colluding with YSRCP which TDP folks keeping yapping about. This is hardly that "proof". As for double talk, no one does that more than TDP.


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