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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby chetak » 14 Jul 2019 13:50

ramana wrote:So are those imported mines or from Indian Army?
I don't think OFB makes such mines.


at this point, it doesn't matter. Surely, the investigation is already on.

the mines are allegedly acknowledged as being from IA stock.

the question is how did they get there.

I hear that zamindar types in AP buy IA ammo for their private weapons from folks returning on leave and my friends there tell me that this practice seems to be going on for quite some time and if true, it may well be widespread in other states too.

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Postby vijayk » 15 Jul 2019 03:23

CON journo thinks DMK is Left

https://www.firstpost.com/politics/rise ... 90821.html
Rise of nepotism in parties like DMK is weakening the left-wing's cause in fight against a 'communal, shrewd' BJP in Tamil Nadu

Every ideology has a method. And the method usually changes with time. BJP has started using leftist methods to achieve their right-leaning politics efficiently. Every chaiwala not only thinks but very well knows that he can become the prime minister of India only if he works for it. An educated woman now feels that there are chances for her to be in power and make decisions of her own for this country. And that is the reason for the huge success of BJP.

The Left, on the other hand, has taken up methods that will make Marx, Ambedkar and Periyar turn in their individual graves. For example, left-wingers called out Tamilisai for not being as beautiful as the DMK candidate Tamilachi Thangapandian, who according to many deserved to go to the parliament because of her immense beauty. This sentiment was echoed by 'star-harasser' Radha Ravi and the now DMK Youth Wing Secretary Udhayanidhi.

This trend, however, is very risky for the marginalised people of this country. The BJP is projecting itself to be the people’s true representative when all of it is just an electoral facade. For example, it’s phenomenal that in India there are currently 78 women in the parliament which is the highest in India’s history. But what is wrong here? Rewind to 17th January 2016: Rohith Vemula writes a suicide letter and hangs himself from the fan in his hostel. It comes to light that the HRD ministry, under the leadership of Smriti Irani was a chief factor in this suicide. On 26th February 2016, she justified her decision in the Parliament.


But by nominating Udayanidhi, it looks like DMK has lost its way. It's sad that Tamil Nadu is moving in the same direction as the rest of India. The 'Raja Raja Cholan debate' that started a few days back is a notable feature of the Tamil people’s evolving mindset. They want to see people like themselves in power. They do not want to subscribe to the self-serving methods of the Left. They are not letting any ideology go unquestioned — even if it shakes the very basis on which it is built. That is why the Chola Kings who are usually lauded for their magnanimity towards the Tamil people are now being criticised for their monarchical traditions (the benefactors being the King and his cronies) which excluded a majority of Tamils.

This analogically explains the situation in Tamil Nadu today. This debate clearly saw the people divided into two groups: the ones that believed in the transforming capabilities of the Dravidian ideology and the ones that intend to just exploit it for their own benefits.

The only rule that can revive Left ideology in India is for it to let go of its nepotism, casteism and patriarchy. It is time they revisit the ideological basis on which they were formed. The need of the hour is for them to understand that it is Periyar’s ideology for which people in Tamil Nadu vote and not some random son-of-the-party head, not even if he is an actor in Tamil films. This is not accepted whether it is the anarchist Raja Raja Cholan or the democrat Stalin

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ramana » 15 Jul 2019 03:42

Chetak, IA weapons are prohibited bore per Arms Act.
Let me know who those zamindars are and they could get a visit.

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Postby OmkarC » 15 Jul 2019 06:00

Rony wrote:Another theory/gossip going rounds is TANA invited Ram Madhav at the behest of CBN who wanted a "ceasefire" with BJP. As per this theory, CM Ramesh/Sujana/Garikapati who are CBN moneybags and close confidants crossed over to BJP as part of CBN's political strategy to have a covert communication channels with BJP after he burnt his bridges with Modi overtly. They point out that till now after all these leaders have crossed over, CBN havent personally critisized Modi/BJP on this matter yet. They say these TDP coverts will play the same role which Vijayasai Reddy plays for Jagan (as a conduit between BJP and Jagan).



Been hearing this theory a few weeks back claiming this is all part of CBN's ploy to have his trusted coverts infiltrate BJP.. given how deeply the two are involved in CBN's finances, as a precautionary recourse, needs attention from BJP top brass.

Its also a bit frustrating as BJP's strategy for AP is still not unfolding clearly - BJP needs a positive message in AP, and it just cant be the B-team of other-party expats who cant find leadership positions in their own parties. Hope they have a clear strategy on attracting & seriously empowering a broader "caste base" as Hindutva or even nationalism may not be the glue holding together the Hindu qaum of AP.

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Postby chetak » 15 Jul 2019 11:22

ramana wrote:Chetak, IA weapons are prohibited bore per Arms Act.
Let me know who those zamindars are and they could get a visit.



and get me a visit too


in the boondocks, no one is too bothered about prohibited bore weapons.


or would the Aks be proliferating in such large numbers

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby vijayk » 15 Jul 2019 19:05

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 207913.cms
NIA busts terror gang based in Tamil Nadu, conducts searches
The premier anti-terror agency held searches today in the premises belonging to the three accused persons located here and at Nagappattinam district in connection with the case.

Credible information said the accused men, while being within and beyond India,had conspired and conducted consequent preparations to wage war against the government of India by forming the "terrorist gang Ansarulla," NIA said in a release.


Is NIA like FBI? Can they go w/o state Govt. permission?

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Postby Aditya_V » 15 Jul 2019 19:58

vijayk wrote:https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/tamil-nadu-nia-raids-4-places-in-chennai-nagapattinam-in-ansarulla-terrorist-gang-case/articleshow/70207913.cms
NIA busts terror gang based in Tamil Nadu, conducts searches
The premier anti-terror agency held searches today in the premises belonging to the three accused persons located here and at Nagappattinam district in connection with the case.

Credible information said the accused men, while being within and beyond India,had conspired and conducted consequent preparations to wage war against the government of India by forming the "terrorist gang Ansarulla," NIA said in a release.


Is NIA like FBI? Can they go w/o state Govt. permission?


Wouldnt put it past TN Media to state this as North Indian action against South Indians, they way they have behaving for the last 5 years.

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Postby ramana » 16 Jul 2019 01:34

vijayk wrote:https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/tamil-nadu-nia-raids-4-places-in-chennai-nagapattinam-in-ansarulla-terrorist-gang-case/articleshow/70207913.cms
NIA busts terror gang based in Tamil Nadu, conducts searches
The premier anti-terror agency held searches today in the premises belonging to the three accused persons located here and at Nagappattinam district in connection with the case.

Credible information said the accused men, while being within and beyond India,had conspired and conducted consequent preparations to wage war against the government of India by forming the "terrorist gang Ansarulla," NIA said in a release.


Is NIA like FBI? Can they go w/o state Govt. permission?

No its not like FBI.
It can go only with State govt permission and only in terrorism cases.
The bill introduced today in Lok Sabha gives them more powers.

earlier they were restricted definition of terror.
But it was noted that wanton killing of political opponents to induce terror in the supporters and the blatent use of Islamic gangs to carry out the killings gave the opening.

Can thank the TN and Kerala politicians for sowing this innovation of using PFI.

now they reap the whirlwind with Amit Shah in the MHA seat.

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Postby OmkarC » 16 Jul 2019 10:57

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40lrvDm6L10

If this news item is true, it will be extremely unfortunate. A journalist who is usually very credible on issues related to national topics, Modi & BJP is now claiming that the party is apparently considering naming Sujana Chowdary as its future CM candidate and face of party !! This journalist is perhaps one of the handful pro-BJP journalists in all of Andhra, if not entire south India, who has gone through immense professional indignities for his pro-Hindutva beliefs. He is claiming that BJP's strategy will be a caste coalition and not Hindutva/Nationalism for AP. They want to focus on Kammas, Kaapus & BCs, with a Kamma face- which means TDP Redux.. just rename TDP as BJP and get rid of Nara, Nandamuri families and will that be BJP ?

On the other hand, BJP is once again doing the right things in TG - decided to replace the aging non-charismatic president with a new face.. There are 5 names in contention that include 2 of my favorites: Bandi Sanjay & D Aravind.. cant go wrong with either ! Party membership has doubled in the past couple of months since the polls.

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Postby Sachin » 16 Jul 2019 11:11

vijayk wrote:The premier anti-terror agency held searches today in the premises belonging to the three accused persons located here and at Nagappattinam district in connection with the case.

May be it was a coincidence. I had gone a road trip covering the East Coast of TN some time in January this year. Cuddalore, Nagapattinam were the two districts which kind of caught my attention. The reason being the rapid "arabisation" I could see in these two coastal districts. Mosques were there pretty much in in every k.m, next to the roads and burqah clad women were the norm. And to note that the coast line in these two districts were very close to SL coast line was even more striking. Kodiyakkarai & Vedaranyam in Nagapattinam Dt. is like 30 mins by boat from Jaffna/Kankesanturai. The LTTE misused this proximity quite well, but looks like that knowledge has been shared with the Jehadis as well.

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Postby Karthik S » 16 Jul 2019 11:38

OmkarC wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40lrvDm6L10

If this news item is true, it will be extremely unfortunate. A journalist who is usually very credible on issues related to national topics, Modi & BJP is now claiming that the party is apparently considering naming Sujana Chowdary as its future CM candidate and face of party !! This journalist is perhaps one of the handful pro-BJP journalists in all of Andhra, if not entire south India, who has gone through immense professional indignities for his pro-Hindutva beliefs. He is claiming that BJP's strategy will be a caste coalition and not Hindutva/Nationalism for AP. They want to focus on Kammas, Kaapus & BCs, with a Kamma face- which means TDP Redux.. just rename TDP as BJP and get rid of Nara, Nandamuri families and will that be BJP ?

On the other hand, BJP is once again doing the right things in TG - decided to replace the aging non-charismatic president with a new face.. There are 5 names in contention that include 2 of my favorites: Bandi Sanjay & D Aravind.. cant go wrong with either ! Party membership has doubled in the past couple of months since the polls.


Hindutva won't work in AP saar, people are too much marinated in caste consciousness. So till people get a wake up call in a big way from EJs, they'll continue talking kamma reddy kapu etc. TG is far more important state considering the population dara hua razakars.

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Postby OmkarC » 16 Jul 2019 12:11

Karthik S wrote:
OmkarC wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40lrvDm6L10

If this news item is true, it will be extremely unfortunate. A journalist who is usually very credible on issues related to national topics, Modi & BJP is now claiming that the party is apparently considering naming Sujana Chowdary as its future CM candidate and face of party !! This journalist is perhaps one of the handful pro-BJP journalists in all of Andhra, if not entire south India, who has gone through immense professional indignities for his pro-Hindutva beliefs. He is claiming that BJP's strategy will be a caste coalition and not Hindutva/Nationalism for AP. They want to focus on Kammas, Kaapus & BCs, with a Kamma face- which means TDP Redux.. just rename TDP as BJP and get rid of Nara, Nandamuri families and will that be BJP ?


Hindutva won't work in AP saar, people are too much marinated in caste consciousness. So till people get a wake up call in a big way from EJs, they'll continue talking kamma reddy kapu etc. TG is far more important state considering the population dara hua razakars.



Not disputing the strategy, infact I think it shows political maturity of BJP leadership not to put AP & TG in the same bucket and embrace this smart 3-caste combination... but why pick this fella of the lot and empower him to this level.. if you want to wean away Kammas from TDP, why not choose any half-decent fella from that community who is essentially non-corrupt, average intelligence & can talk a few words in telugu in public with reasonable fluency ? Already jokes are coming up in social media of BJP's CM candidates in other states being Mehul Choksi, Vijay Mallya & Nirav Modi.

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Postby ramana » 17 Jul 2019 01:58

OmkarC,
New Governor has been appointed for AP.

Sri. Biswabhushan Harichandan,

He is a former MLA from Odissa.

Let them joke for it will sonn be on them.

BTW, much maligned Ram Madhav said that TDP will soon be confined to TANA only.
In other words #TDPMukthAndhra is becoming reality.
Who would have thought two months ago with CBN casting long shadow and muttering "Democracy in Danger".


Basically South India and all those defence bases have been saved.

That looter Muralimohan who is behind the slogan of United South India needs to be shown his place.

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Postby OmkarC » 17 Jul 2019 05:17

ramana wrote:OmkarC,
New Governor has been appointed for AP.

Sri. Biswabhushan Harichandan,

He is a former MLA from Odissa.

Let them joke for it will sonn be on them.

BTW, much maligned Ram Madhav said that TDP will soon be confined to TANA only.

In other words #TDPMukthAndhra is becoming reality.

Who would have thought two months ago with CBN casting long shadow and muttering "Democracy in Danger".

Basically South India and all those defence bases have been saved.

That looter Muralimohan who is behind the slogan of United South India needs to be shown his place.



Ramana garu,

With due respect, showing TDP its place is meaningless if BJP itself becomes TDP.. even sacrificing hard core Hindutva & nationalism is fine at state level, as long as some baseline "soft" Hindutva + "reduced" corruption + "reduced" caste fanaticism are maintained as minimum standard baselines of BJP.. I hope this is not too much to expect ?

We can try taking a poll to see how many telugu folks here will vote BJP if Sujana is the CM candidate..

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Postby ramana » 17 Jul 2019 05:26

Firstly he is not the candidate.
He is CBN bank.
So effectively demonetizes CBN.
Secondly,
Right now focus will be on TG.
AP could be later.

TDP is hostile takeover by BJP.
Just like what CBN did in 1994 (?)

Thirdly Karnataka and others more fit for change.

I get the feeling that RS majority is the quest.
And more important.
To pass many long held up legislation.

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Postby khatvaanga » 18 Jul 2019 00:59

ramana wrote:I get the feeling that RS majority is the quest.
And more important.
To pass many long held up legislation.



looks like that is the only real tangible thing that Shah is looking for. Rest is all noise.

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Postby chetak » 19 Jul 2019 17:19

World Bank 'Drops' $300 Million Funding for Chandrababu Naidu's Amaravati Project


World Bank 'Drops' $300 Million Funding for Chandrababu Naidu's Amaravati Project


According to sources, the World Bank had apparently taken into consideration widespread complaints lodged by farmers in the region on alleged forcible taking over of their fertile lands by the previous dispensation in the name of land pooling for capital development.

Amaravati: In a jolt to the Andhra Pradesh government, the World Bank has "dropped" out of the Amaravati Sustainable Infrastructure and Institutional Development Project, pushing the state capital city’s development into further jeopardy.

The World Bank did not assign any reason for pulling out though the Bank official website showed the status of the Amaravati Sustainable Infrastructure and Institutional Development Project A as "dropped".

World Bank officials did not respond to queries on the subject.

According to sources, the World Bank had apparently taken into consideration widespread complaints lodged by farmers in the region on alleged forcible taking over of their fertile lands by the previous dispensation in the name of land pooling for capital development.

Several NGOs and environmentalists have been opposing the previous Telugu Desam Party (TDP) government’s plans to build the capital by acquiring land from farmers and protested against development very near to the Krishna riverbank.

The previous Chandrababu Naidu government had claimed that the World Bank agreed "in principle" to lend $1 billion for Amaravati development.

Officials who headed the AP Capital Region Development Authority (CRDA) during the previous dispensation even claimed that the World Bank included the project under retro-financing category, which meant that the international lender would reimburse what all amount the government spent on the project.

The Chandrababu Naidu government reportedly listed it under the Externally-Aided Projects under the Special Assistance Measures announced by the Narendra Modi government in 2016 so that the repayment burden would be taken on by the Centre.

Under the proposed EAP, the World Bank was to lend $300 million while the Asian Infrastructure and Investment Bank (AIIB) was supposed to lend another $200 million for Amaravati development.

With the World Bank dropping the loan proposal, CRDA officials are unclear over the fate of the AIIB component.

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Postby chetak » 19 Jul 2019 17:27

khatvaanga wrote:
ramana wrote:I get the feeling that RS majority is the quest.
And more important.
To pass many long held up legislation.



looks like that is the only real tangible thing that Shah is looking for. Rest is all noise.


they have to cover the shortfall of gadaari allies and self serving satraps who fully expected a free ride by hanging on to Modi's coattails to establish fiefdoms of their own.

next time around, both in the assembly and in the LS elections, the BJP should go it alone in MAH and BIH and teach these guys a CBN like lesson.

looking at how the time whizzed by during their first term and nothing concrete was achieved, they are not taking any chances now.

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Postby khatvaanga » 20 Jul 2019 05:16

Break as many parties as it takes to get majority in RS. At this point I have zero sympathy to any others. They put brakes on for most of last 5 years.

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Postby vijayk » 24 Jul 2019 00:39

https://www.pgurus.com/christianity-too ... istration/
There are thousands of Hindu temples across India where Christians are openly trying to preach and convert Hindus by saying Hindus are devil worshippers.
Andhra administration seems to be working hand in glove with Christian missionaries. Visakhapatnam’s police commissioner Rajiv Kumar Meena issued a memorandum to the city police to protect minority Christians and their churches from Hindu aggression. As per Vizag’s city police website, the commissioner took charge on 27th June 2019 and this memorandum was issued on 4th July 2019. Commissioner did not waste any time issuing the orders to protect the Christians. The person who requested protection seems to have close links with the Andhra Christian chief minister Y.S. Jaganmohan Reddy.

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Postby vijayk » 24 Jul 2019 00:40

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/ ... local.html

AP reserves 75% private jobs to locals

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Postby khatvaanga » 24 Jul 2019 17:28

in PPPs. not in private sector. Stupid move imho.

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Postby chetak » 24 Jul 2019 17:51

khatvaanga wrote:in PPPs. not in private sector. Stupid move imho.


herds and keeps the flock together.

very useful tool to reward the faithful and cast the net wider.

bound to have blowback from other states in due course and it still needs assent from the governor and ultimately the center.

moreover, is it constitutionally permissible.

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Postby khatvaanga » 24 Jul 2019 21:07

chetak wrote:moreover, is it constitutionally permissible.


dont think so. a non starter like his dad's muslim reservation. will be struck down by court. but he will get brownie points.

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Postby ramki » 25 Jul 2019 03:01

No ysr is able to give muslims 4% reservations as BC category E. From then onwards muslims have become loyal vote bank to YSR.

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Postby devesh » 27 Jul 2019 08:54

Anybody following the Christian fanaticism on the ground in AP?

Recently on social media - apparently hindu women enrolled in DWACRA were told to covert to christianity or they would be removed from the program in Guntur district....

These are still early days...wonder what else we will witness!

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Postby ramana » 01 Aug 2019 23:51

SwamyG a simple one or two liner to explain the Youtube would be appreciated.

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Postby SwamyG » 02 Aug 2019 06:43

Gist
* The censor board is corrupt, and has become a political arm. There no elections, but just nominations. Committees are run inefficiently.
* The cinema industry personalities are all hoping to become CMs like how MGR, JJ and MuKa did.
* The TV serials promote promiscuity, immoral behavior etc.
* The TV serials always show women as scheming, conniving, plotting, murdering etc. They do not show women nurturing a healthy family
* Brahmins in TN have reduced from 6% to nearly 1%.
* Movies have targeted and ridiculed Brahmins, Hinduism and our way of life.
* Movies have not targeted Christianity or Islam.
* NDA governments have done nothing to REMOVE some key pseudo-secular, pseduo-intellectual people from powerful positions who continue to exercise control over culture, arts and entertainment industries.

* Local BJP, in TN, has done nothing to stop powerful, corrupt and political lawyers like Wilson (who just got nominated to RS by DMK), he had continued to make money in the central ministries
* There was a segway attacking Modi, PMO still managing everything.
* NEET, Navodhaya etc good schemes have been attacked mercilessly by media and cinema
* 10 recent tamil movies have attacked good projects of governments, Modi governments, Hinduism, RSS etc.
* Local BJP have mindset problem. For example the KL candidate never brought Shashi's wife's murder case....
* NDTV run by a Christian.
* Censor board needs to conduct background checks on the officials. Introduce more computerization on the people who can review movies....so that the movies that come out can be better.

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Postby SwamyG » 02 Aug 2019 07:26

ramana wrote:SwamyG a simple one or two liner to explain the Youtube would be appreciated.

A very sad and horrifying gist. You asked for it :cry: :cry:
* In the last 10 years, in TN, Church buildings have increased by 8,000 to 12,000 buildings.
* The land occupied by these buildings, have been allotted by DMK in the period of 2006-2011 in the State, and Congress was in the center
* The buildings continued to come up in AIADMK period as well, and AIADMK did nothing.
* 1. Funding
- NGOs collect money abroad claiming to better human standards, tribal welfare, poverty reduction, children & child welfare etc
- One NGO (Caruna Bala Vikas) was caught spending almost 90% of that money for conversions. There was an CBI raid on that
- Just in Chennai Now imagine the numbers for TN, other states and throughout India.
- For the period 2017-2018, via FCRA Rs 1000 crores was received by 762 NGOs. Out of these, 60% NGOs had direct relations with conversion partners.
- Organizations now collect money from domestic sources as well. The estimate is that the amount will be almost 5 times.
- The non registered organizations are almost 5 times the NGOs numbers. People are hired to spread Christianity. The pay is good, and they can leave other work to do this work.
* 2. Can they not be stopped by the gov
- The answer is it is not easy. :evil:
- For example, Gospel for Asia receive nearly Rs 1300 crore in just 2016. They are create prayer halls, church buildings....etc. It got banned in 2017 because of financial issues.
- Modi sent an notice to NGOs asking them to submit how they spent their FCRA money. 20,000 NGOs just vanished. Modi, or anyone cannot just go and close these NGOs, companies etc. All they can do is ensure the organizations run as per law. That is what he did.

- However, many NGOs predicted such trouble. So they started sending money via other NGOs. Money routed and changed hands. For example Church of South India trust had not received FCRA money prior to 2015. After the notices were issued, this org started getting money. In three years they received more than 30,000 crores money from ONE place in Germany.
- The point is as some NGOs are closed, they find loop holes and other avenues to send in money.
* Financial Structure
- Some of the money received is invested domestically, so that they can become sources of revenues for the future.
- The money collected from local Christians is also used to keep the revenue coming. Some people contribute 10% of their salary.
* 3. Root / Main node
- ECFA - Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability.
- They manage the finances and routes efficiently.
- All the money sources in US, UK and Germany will run under this umbrella, to ensure the right NGOs get the money immediately, efficiently etc.
*4. Evangelism
- Work Breakdown structure
- They break down their work efficiently to ensure there is no overlap, and can address different aspect of the society. Hence they are involved in the following: Children ministry, Youth Ministry, Bible Ministry, Social Service, TV Ministry, Camps, Blessing & Prayers, Village ministry, Women ministry, Tribal ministries etc etc.
- This allows the different orgs to target specific groups. The work is structured and run efficiently.
- DMK, DK etc get money from these orgs, and hence they will actively attack Hinduism.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ramana » 03 Aug 2019 03:11

Thanks. Now it's useful.

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Postby vijayk » 03 Aug 2019 17:01

https://www.firstpost.com/politics/bjp- ... 01151.html
BJP, TDP slams Jagan Mohan Reddy over 'use of public money' for Jerusalem trip after Andhra Pradesh sanctions Rs 22.52 lakh for security


K Pattabhiram, TDP spokesperson said: "Why has the Andhra Pradesh Government released money for the security of Jagan at Jerusalem? The money of Rs 22.5 lakh paid to a private travel agency might be a cover-up which in fact might be paid for Jagan family's personal trip to Jerusalem."

"The CM speaks of transparency and austerity measures. The government is also not able to pay salaries for employees, yet Jagan used public money for his personal tour," he added.

He questioned Reddy saying that "what was the need for private security abroad, instead of using services of the Indian embassy."

V Satyamurty, Andhra BJP general secretary said: "BJP demands an explanation from YSRCP and Jagan himself. How can the government directly pay a private security agency?"

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 03 Aug 2019 20:57

Thanks SwamyG garu. Your translation/explanation was very helpful.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 04 Aug 2019 17:19

During TDPs rule, it was vulgar display of Kamma casteism by Kamma youth. Now its the turn of vulgar display of Reddy casteism by Reddy youth.

Does Christianity has castes ? A caste called Reddy ? Time for Hindu Reddy leaders to put an end to this bluff..!


Reddy casteism is the single biggest obstacle in taking down Jagan. Reddy's (who are still mostly Hindu) have no interest or will in confronting Jagan or choosing another "leader" for their caste, so to speak. Also notice that in all Reddy caste posters, Jagan is always potrayed with bottu/tilak and never with cross. These casteist Reddy's live in their own world where they imagine Jagan to be a Hindu. They dont want to face the reality of him being a Christian.



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Postby Sachin » 04 Aug 2019 19:57

Rony wrote:These casteist Reddy's live in their own world where they imagine Jagan to be a Hindu. They dont want to face the reality of him being a Christian.

Not an expert in AP politics at all. But looks like Reddys have actually stopped differentiating between an X'ian Reddy and a Hindu Reddy. Perhaps their caste/community identity is much stronger than religion. AP people, AFAIK are very religious and much more welcoming any new God coming in. So along with 100s of Hindu Gods, a Christ also joining in may not be considered a big thing for them. And when their prayers do get answered then there is nothing which stops from the splurging money on the religion. Even in temples like Sabari Mala the maximum donations come in from A.P (and TS, and TN).

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Postby Rony » 04 Aug 2019 21:54

Sachin wrote: Not an expert in AP politics at all. But looks like Reddys have actually stopped differentiating between an X'ian Reddy and a Hindu Reddy. Perhaps their caste/community identity is much stronger than religion.


You are not wrong. Back in old days, I know a Reddy love story from college circle. Boy Hindu, Girl converted Christian. Her father converted, very religious christian, used to give 10% of his salary to his church. Boy fell in love and proposed. Girl said, ask my father. Girls father said, he has no problem as long as marriage is in church and children raised as Christian. Very clear cut. We all advised Boy not to go with it. But Boy was madly in love. Like most Hindus, a confused one. Said "All religions equal" bla bla bla. Boy's parents said even though we dont like it, saving grace is at least they are Reddy Christian and not SC/ST Christian. Marriage happened as per Girl's father wishes in church.

But caste/community being stronger than religion is not specific to Reddy through. Its the same with Kammas, Kapus , Brahmins, SCs and STs, pretty much every caste in AP. AP Hindus are religious Hindus but not Hindutva Hindus. That is their achilles heel. They do all kinds of yagnas, staunch believers in vaastu, temple pilgrimages, observing rituals and all that but dont care about threats of christianization or Islamism as much as they should.

There used to be a poster called Dikgaj (not sure if he is still around) who used to tell us with historical examples about Hindu mercantile elites who were otherwise religious Hindus who collaborated with the oppressive Muslim rulers against their own people. The same is true for AP/Telangana. KCR's relationship with Owaisi's or AP Hindu elites support to YSR/Jagan.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 06 Aug 2019 05:27

Political Parties who supported Abolition of Article 370, 35A

1. BJP
2. AAP
3. BSP
4. BJD
5. AIADMK
6. YSRCP
7. TDP
8. Shivsena
9. TRS
10. SAD

Political Parties who opposed:

1. Congress
2. TMC
3. JDU
4. SP
5. PDP
6. DMK
7. CPM
8. NC


My hope some what restored on Telugu parties (TDP, YSRCP, TRS) . Whether its was because they did not have any choice, or coerced or bribed, at the end of the day they stood with nationalist sentiments. They may be corrupt, opportunistic and all that but deep down not reflexively anti-Indian (in territorial sense. YSRCP is as we know EJ and a threat in civilizational sense) . DMK, Kerala Commies on the other hand are a curse on South Indians/Indians. So are TMC and UP-Bihar regional parties. JDU/Nitish with his ego and narcissism are like TDP/CBN before they got thrashed by Modi.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ramana » 07 Aug 2019 07:15

i see it as alternatives. All these states with two regional parties will vote anti-national.
Even Congress is a regional party confined to Kerala and won TN by alliance with DMK.
Solution is to subsume destroy one of the regional parties and absorb into national party.

BJP has done hostile takeover of TDP. Many cribbed why this MP or hat. Bu all this came useful to abolish Art 370, UAPA, NIA and 3T.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Prasad » 07 Aug 2019 14:19

Kinda glad that during this A370 discussion, AP bifurcation and Con's underhanded tactics got a lot of publicity.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 07 Aug 2019 18:28

Ramana Garu, BJP's hostile take over of TDP is less than partial only. TDP leaders and cadres are very much intact . Look at loose cannon Kesineni Nani's comment on abolition of article 370. He is going against his party's stand and opposing the decision of the central govt. If BJP wants to do hostile take over of TDP, its has to take over completely. Its easier said than done but if thats the intention, they need to do it completely and get done over with it.


But more than AP, its Tamil Nadu which is causing me more concern

30 organisations protest removal of Article 370.


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