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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 00:43
by syam
lol. . you are not denying anything. Everyone is corrupt so it's ok for cbn to be corrupt. either you don't know full extent of cbn actions or you are party to it. really don't want to stretch it. 5 years of jagan rule is reality. let's see how it goes.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 01:08
by Rony
ShyamSP wrote: There is a qualitative difference. TDP supported Christian leaders for votebanks which every party including BJP does to get. They never supported real EJs/conversions like YCP does where whole CM family (mother, wife, inlaws) except CM holds Suvartha Sabhas holding bibles


Giving reservations for Dalit christians is a CBN initiative. The demand was always there but it was CBN (and not Jagan) who delivered it
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Andhra-P ... 46199.html

ShyamSP wrote:TDP learned before 2014 that majority Christian votebank goes with YCP so moved away from actively seeking other than its SC votebank... Most surprising STs went 80+% with YCP which only means STs are also converted heavily without visibility outside.


So TDP realized that christians will vote Jagan come what may but as recent as 2019 still went ahead and recognized converted christians as SCs and gave them reservations ? Had Modi Lost at Center and CBN won at the state, CBN and TDP would have gone full retard and would have outdid Jagan in their EJ support in addition to supporting muslims. Let their be no doubt about it.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 11:00
by Dileep
Swamiye Saranam Ayyappa!!! Review by Seven member bench!!

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 11:08
by pankajs
Dileep wrote:Swamiye Saranam Ayyappa!!! Review by Seven member bench!!

Dodged a bullet! Such reviews normally are dismissed.

Have they stayed the operation while in review?

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 11:10
by Dileep
No stay to the current verdict!! What the eff!!

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 11:11
by Karthik S
Dileep wrote:Swamiye Saranam Ayyappa!!! Review by Seven member bench!!


Is it better for us?

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 11:15
by pankajs
Still from 4:1 to 2:3 and a larger bench review will hopefully keep the Kerala gov. backed off. It gives it a fig-leaf to back off IF it wants.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 11:16
by Dileep
Hon. Jt. Nariman says the ban on muslim women entry to mosque is not similar!! I don't get it!!

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 11:20
by Rupesh
Can any legal guru confirm if the last year's verdict gets automatically stayed since a 7 judge bench has to review it.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 11:22
by pankajs
^^
No .. Only the good sense of Kerala gov. will allow it to use this as a fig-leaf and back off for the time being.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 11:24
by Dileep
Heard that Jt. NAriman said something like "the govt should have discussed with the community and amicably solved the issue". We will wait for the written verdict.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 11:26
by pankajs
https://www.firstpost.com/india/supreme ... 44551.html
Pinarayi Vijayan says impossible to bring in legislation to ban women of menstrual age entering Sabarimala

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 11:29
by Dileep
What I hear now is that what exactly happened is, the review petition is kept in abeyance till an existing case in front of a seven bench is resolved. So, the current verdict is in force. It is the 'review' that is kept in abeyance. Not the original verdict.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 11:39
by Dileep
Another interpretation: The 'review petitions are moved to 7 member bench', which means no review of the current verdict happened.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 11:43
by ShyamSP
Dileep wrote:What I hear now is that what exactly happened is, the review petition is kept in abeyance till an existing case in front of a seven bench is resolved. So, the current verdict is in force. It is the 'review' that is kept in abeyance. Not the original verdict.


Yes but it may be implicit stay as implementation is not possible due to law and order problem. Judges are screwballs, they should have considered violent situation arose last year to direct government not go overboard and stop doing nautanki of encouraging fake women to enter.

They couldn't do any verdict means they found judicial fault-lines so couldn't reinterate same verdict as last time. Central Government can bring legislation on Hindu rights on place and procedures of worships overriding these judgements or taking away control from state governments and give it to Hindus.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 11:47
by Dileep
The state govt could have gone easy on this from day one. They didn't. I am sure they wouldn't even now.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 12:32
by Sachin
Rupesh wrote:Can any legal guru confirm if the last year's verdict gets automatically stayed since a 7 judge bench has to review it.

Dileep wrote:Another interpretation: The 'review petitions are moved to 7 member bench', which means no review of the current verdict happened.

pankajs wrote:No .. Only the good sense of Kerala gov. will allow it to use this as a fig-leaf and back off for the time being.

My understanding is that the original case goes for hearing in a larger bench. Off course; things will only be clear once we read the actual written judgement. Thinking from a logical point of view. Supreme Court gives a verdict on the Sabari Mala case. Then it agrees to hear the review petitions (i.e by practically the same bench), and there it said that the verdict still stands and review will happen later. The review petitions were heard (some where in Feb-Mar 2019 time frame). After hearing and sitting on it for six months; the 5 member bench could not reach a unanimous decision and passes the original case to a higher bench. Which means that they are NOT sure on their earlier verdict. They find merit in the review petitions and wants a 7 member bench to hear the original case afresh (along with many other issues related to Muslims and Parsis). What is the point in allowing review petitions and then hearing it, and then passing it to a higher bench?

The Supreme Court has not given a final verdict on the case regarding entry of women to mosques etc. That is; the said case has not reached the stage of "review petition". Then how can that case be clubbed to another one related to review petitions?

There is also a term called "infructuous" in the law books which means, ineffective, unproductive or unfruitful. So if the plan is that the original verdict stands and Go.KL uses that reason to send up women to the temple; then the whole review petitions would be meaningless. The current order (of sending the case to 7 member bench) is useless, as the core issue about the case has already happened.

ShyamSP wrote:They couldn't do any verdict means they found judicial fault-lines so couldn't reinterate same verdict as last time.

To be frank; they should have been explicit on the status of the last verdict. Or else the review petitioners should seek clarity on the same. As I see it; it is the original case which is now to be heard again (and not the review petitions). One point of the petitioners was that their points were not heard any time during the case. In a civil dispute between A (Feminazis) & B (Temple folks) if the verdict given has an impact on C (Devotees); then the pleas of C should be heard.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 12:34
by Sachin
Dileep wrote:The state govt could have gone easy on this from day one. They didn't. I am sure they wouldn't even now.

I do a get a feeling that the government may back off. It may make 1-2 attempts; but the commies (may be except the North Kerala lobby and the CM) have realised that from a vote perspective their earlier stance was NOT good. And all said and done the Hundi Challenge should continue this time around as well.

Not sure; but was reading it in some news media that the devotees can approach the Kerala High Court and get an order from there refraining Go.KL from doing any mischief till the final verdict comes out.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 13:06
by Sachin
Sanku T Das, a lawyer practising at High Court has made his observations on the whole case as well as the new verdict.
Salient points;
1. What was the original verdict all about? It was anulling of Rule 3 (b) of Rules based on the Kerala Hindu Places of Public Worship Act. It was this rule which set an age limit on the women pilgrims going to Sabari Mala.
2. Now this verdict was declarative in nature; that is a rule was anulled (and made invalid). Only catch point is that the government will not be able to use this rule when making any official decisions.
3. There are supreme court orders which are directive in nature. That is the order asks a specific person or Govt to do (or not to do) a certain activity. In the case of Sabari Mala, the 2019 verdict has NOT asked Go.KL to take up any woman to the temple.
4. Only in case of a verdict which is directive, and also has an operational part can a "stay order" be technically given. There has to be some action (ordered earlier), which now has to be stayed.
5. Now with a 3:2 majority the Supreme Court itself has decided to reverify the earlier verdict. In such a situation, there is no final verdict regarding Sabari Mala at this point of time. The moment a verdict is to be reviewed by a higher bench, that verdict automatically becomes in abeyance.
6. The earlier crowd (of seculars) who said that verdict of the Constituition Bench is final one, had to change it. Then they said that review petitions will not even be heard and it would get thrown out. Now that has also changed. Review petitions were heard and then the same 5 member bench could not arrive at a conclusion and referred it to a 7 member bench.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 14:50
by Sachin
Rupesh wrote:Can any legal guru confirm if the last year's verdict gets automatically stayed since a 7 judge bench has to review it.

Dileep wrote:We will wait for the written verdict.

ShyamSP wrote:They couldn't do any verdict means they found judicial fault-lines so couldn't reiterate same verdict as last time.


The original Supreme Court order of 14/11/2019 is now available in their web site. KANTARU RAJEEVARU ….PETITIONER(S)
VERSUS INDIAN YOUNG LAWYERS ASSOCIATION THR.ITS GENERAL SECRETARY AND ORS.
Interested parties can go through that; as there are some really important points which have a wider impact.

In the majority verdict the judges agree that "The extent to which the court can enquire into the issue of a particular practice is an integral part of the religion or religious practice of a particular religious denomination or should that be left exclusively to be determined by the head of the section of the religious group. " In the case of Sabari Mala (or any major Hindu temple in KL) the head of the section would naturally be the Thantri a priest who is considered to be the diety's father.

The judges find that decision of the 7 judge bench in a case related to Commissioner, Hindu Religious Endowments, Madras vs. Shri Lakshmindra Tirtha Swamiar of Shirur Mutt (Shirur Mutt) and that of a 5 member judge in the Durgah Committee, Ajmer vs. Syed Hussain Ali & Ors.2 seems to be in conflict with each other.

Page #9 (points 8,9) are of utmost significance.
8. While deciding the questions delineated above, the larger bench may also consider it appropriate to decide all issues, including the question as to whether the Kerala Hindu Places of Public Worship (Authorisation of Entry) Rules, 1965 govern the temple in question at all. Whether the aforesaid consideration will require grant of a fresh opportunity to all interested parties may also have to be considered.

The bolded point is very crucial. The Supreme Court verdict of 2018 had actually anulled Rule 3(b) of Kerala Hindu Places of Public Worship (Authorisation of Entry) Rules, 1965. Now in today's order the Hon. SC bench is pondering whether this Rule and Act had any jurisdiction over the Sabari Mala temple :eek:. Which means that various vested interests (mainly the "seculars", "progressive liberals" and the commies) were trying to push in their agenda of Hindu-hatred in the form of "enforcing a rule" in a place where it was never to be used.

9. The subject review petitions as well as the writ petitions may, accordingly, remain pending until determination of the questions indicated above by a Larger Bench as may be constituted by the Hon’ble the Chief Justice of India.
The above point summarises the whole thing. The review petition as well as other writ petitions would remain pending. Which means that review petitions have NOT been dismissed or closed, and the earlier verdict of Yr. 2018 is now again under review. Don't know how an "under review" verdict can be considered final.

Came back to say. The order from the dissenting judges (RF Nariman and DY Chandrachud) has this to say as well (pg #67-68).
66. The State of Kerala is directed to give wide publicity to this judgment through the medium of television, newspapers, etc. The government should take steps to secure the confidence of the community in order to ensure the fulfillment of constitutional values. The State government may have broad-based consultations with representatives of all affected interests so that the modalities devised for implementing the judgment of the Court meet the genuine concerns of all segments of the community. Organised acts of resistance to thwart the implementation of this judgment must be put down firmly. Yet in devising modalities for compliance, a solution which provides lasting peace, while at the same time reaffirming human dignity as a fundamental constitutional value, should be adopted.

Now this is actually a directive (Go.KL has to do some thing). Go.KL needs to take steps to secure confidence of the Ayyappa pilrgims. It also needs to consult representaives from all affected parties and find a long lasting solution. To be frank; I don't think the communists in Kerala (especially from Northern Kerala) have any such skills on consultation or negotiation.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 19:04
by arshyam
Sachin wrote:Came back to say. The order from the dissenting judges (RF Nariman and DY Chandrachud) has this to say as well (pg #67-68).
66. The State of Kerala is directed to give wide publicity to this judgment through the medium of television, newspapers, etc. The government should take steps to secure the confidence of the community in order to ensure the fulfillment of constitutional values. The State government may have broad-based consultations with representatives of all affected interests so that the modalities devised for implementing the judgment of the Court meet the genuine concerns of all segments of the community. Organised acts of resistance to thwart the implementation of this judgment must be put down firmly. Yet in devising modalities for compliance, a solution which provides lasting peace, while at the same time reaffirming human dignity as a fundamental constitutional value, should be adopted.

Now this is actually a directive (Go.KL has to do some thing). Go.KL needs to take steps to secure confidence of the Ayyappa pilrgims. It also needs to consult representaives from all affected parties and find a long lasting solution. To be frank; I don't think the communists in Kerala (especially from Northern Kerala) have any such skills on consultation or negotiation.

This is a great find, Sachin saar. The KL govt cannot do any mischief now (such as encouraging/escorting women into the temple) as it would go against the "should adopt a solution that provides lasting peace" part, as well as take "steps to secure the confidence of the community". If do they do so, they'd be in contravention of this directive, and perhaps in contempt?.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 19:28
by Sachin
Looks like Kerala Govt. does not plan to do things in a hurry...
2018 order on Sabarimala stays for now: Kerala CM after SC refers review petition to larger bench
Report reads...Kerala CM Pinarayi Vijayan has said the government needs more clarity on the Supreme Court verdict in the Sabarimala issue and the previous order will be applicable for now.

The previous verdict which is applicable is a declarative one; which just anulls one rule in the whole law book. And in today's order the bench has stated - including the question as to whether the Kerala Hindu Places of Public Worship (Authorisation of Entry) Rules, 1965 govern the temple in question at all. . The Supreme Court who gave the initial verdict is now in two minds as to whether the modified Rule is applicable in Sabari Mala itself. Now without this simple question being clarified by the larger bench, how can Go.KL decide that the Act & Rules governs Sabari Mala temple as well?

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 20:02
by Dileep
So, the verdict clearly states that the review petition is 'pending'. Normally, this would mean the original judgement is kept in abeyance. But the court in its order admitting the review petitions had clearly said that they do not 'stay' the verdict.

So, it cuts either way. Nice.

Hon. Nariman J. and Chandrachud J. gives a strong dissent, and writes page after page about the authorities duty to aid the court and to carry out the verdicts. They also go to the extent to say

It is necessary for us to restate these constitutional fundamentals in the light
of the sad spectacle of unarmed women between the ages of 10 and 50
being thwarted in the exercise of their fundamental right of worship at
the Sabarimala temple. 4 Let it be said that whoever does not act in aid
of our judgment, does so at his peril – so far as Ministers, both Central
and State, and MPs and MLAs are concerned, they would violate their
constitutional oath to uphold, preserve, and defend the Constitution of India


before getting to the more conciliatory tone of "lasting peace" etc. Still they clearly say "Organised acts of resistance to thwart the implementation of this judgment must be put down firmly."

Once again, open to interpretation. So, it all comes down to a political move by the CM and his chelas.

My take is that good old PV, who is so adamant and obstinate, will do the same circus as last year. There is one more year for the election na?

The only solution is to make a law granting the status of "private residence of the deity" and the "right of privacy". Nothing else works against the "equal=equal" argument.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 21:25
by Sachin
Dileep wrote:So, the verdict clearly states that the review petition is 'pending'. Normally, this would mean the original judgement is kept in abeyance. But the court in its order admitting the review petitions had clearly said that they do not 'stay' the verdict.

I am rephrasing my comment (as it may bring more clarity):

To summarise today's verdict in one line The order given in the year 2018 is still valid (no stay given) But today's verdict seeks clarity on its implementation in Sabari Mala from the 7 member bench !! .

I have already explained in a couple of posts above about this. The 2018 verdict annulled a Rule (based upon an Act local to KL). Now the 5 member judge has asked if this Act & Rule itself was applicable in Sabari Mala !??

Now some additional information:-
1. In the year 1965 Kerala Govt rolls out a new Act - Kerala Hindu Places of Public Worship Act. Now to enable the Act, they came up with the associated Rules - Kerala Hindu Places of Public Worship Rules.
2. This rule had a section 3, with many sub sections - 3(a) to 3(g). It is these rules which stipulated who can enter a temple or not. Now 3(b) stipulated that - "Women at such time during which they are not by custom and usage allowed to enter a place of public worship". In Kerala, women during their menstruation did NOT enter temples *. This rule just gave it a legal binding.
3. But there is a catch. Rule 3(a) of the same Rules also forbids entry for non-Hindus to any Hindu temple. Now if Rule 3(b) is applicable at Sabari Mala, Rule 3(a) will also apply. Which means Go.KL will have to ensure that non-Hindus are not allowed inside the temple. Now Go.KL (or the commies) had argued that Sabari Mala was a "secular" temple where any one could (across religions) could come and go. The commies themselves led to a claim that the Kerala Hindu Places of Public Worship Act was not applicable in Sabari Mala.
4. If Sabari Mala is not an establishment/temple/shrine which comes under the Kerala Hindu Places of Public Worship Act, then what is it? The Travancore Devaswom Board who says they "own" the temple now will not have a locus standi any more. Because the place is no more a "Hindu place of worship" and why should a quasi-government body said to be protecting Hindu temples even claim ownership of the same?

This whole case would also become a good reference case when it comes to freeing Hindu temples from Govt. control :). And rest assured the communists and the North Kerala lobby also have realised the whole thing. Thus you see some very smart comments from some ministers noted for their lack of culture and etiquette.

* It must also be noted that today many liberal organisations, feminist groups are seeking for a holiday (or work from home) for the women employees during their menstural periods ;). But that is all modern & kosher.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 21:27
by Prasad
It'll go against the fundamental right to religion and all that constitutional morality molality normality nonsense people bring in to justify any inane thing.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 15 Nov 2019 00:15
by ShyamSP
Sachin wrote:This whole case would also become a good reference case when it comes to freeing Hindu temples from Govt. control :).

Or setting stage for UCC showdown.

Women Entry Not Limited In Sabarimala Alone, Includes Mosques, Parsi Temples Too: CJI Gogoi On Review Petitions
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/women-ent ... iylQh5ZD-4

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 15 Nov 2019 03:47
by chetak
Amaravati Capital City Start-Up Area Project Cancelled: Reddy Drives The Last Nail In Naidu’s Dream Initiative

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 15 Nov 2019 04:35
by ramana
Dream Initiative?

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 15 Nov 2019 04:36
by ramana
ShyamSP wrote:
Sachin wrote:This whole case would also become a good reference case when it comes to freeing Hindu temples from Govt. control :).

Or setting stage for UCC showdown.

Women Entry Not Limited In Sabarimala Alone, Includes Mosques, Parsi Temples Too: CJI Gogoi On Review Petitions
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/women-ent ... iylQh5ZD-4


No wonder Priest Nariman was dissenting.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 15 Nov 2019 04:56
by Rony
ramana wrote: No wonder Priest Nariman was dissenting.


:rotfl:

That was my first thought as well. This secularism, vekularism is only for preaching Hindus. I never read about Muslim or a Christian or a Parsi judges strongly advocating for reforms in their religions on par with Hindus. And when Hindus insist that everyone should have equal laws applicable and that reforms should be applicable for all religions, they term those Hindus as "Hindutva"/Hindu fundamentalists/Bhakts etc etc .

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 15 Nov 2019 06:28
by ramana
Gogoiji put an IED. Let's come back in.six Mo ths.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 15 Nov 2019 06:57
by Agasthi
I understand why mono-faiths hate hindus, but why are commies selective in their ire? From my reading of history, fascist movements of the mono-faiths persecute commies with zeal. Nothing like that amongst hindus or hindutwadis. I've not been able to find any instances on the net where hindus as a religious group have taken it upon themselves to kill commies.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 15 Nov 2019 08:33
by Kashi
Agasthi wrote:I understand why mono-faiths hate hindus, but why are commies selective in their ire?


Are they really that different?

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 15 Nov 2019 08:35
by sanjayc
They are not different. "There is no God and his prophet is Karl Marx"

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 15 Nov 2019 09:13
by Sachin
Agasthi wrote:I understand why mono-faiths hate hindus, but why are commies selective in their ire?

Kashi wrote:Are they really that different?

Some commie leader in India had once said that Communism is actually X'ianity without the bible & Jesus. This was an attempt to get the X'ians to join their party in more numbers. But that statement also exposed the true nature of Indian communists. The believers of this 'imported ideology/political thought' actually have no original idea when it comes to India. The Commie leadership of today is basically two types. One - folks who came from priviledged and rich background, have their families all in safe places, need not work to make a living; and have an elitist mentality. Prakash Karat & Yechuri fits the bill here 100%. Second - another set of leaders who actually come from very underpriviledged backgrounds, whose world view is very limited and strong believers in brute force. The Kerala communist leadership (esp. the North Kerala gang) falls under this group. But the some total is a political outfit who actually does not share any of India's ethos or culture.

The communism in India; is an imported "religion" just like X'ianity or Islam. While the religions did manage to assimiliate to a certain extent, the communists have not been able to do so. So they stand apart like oil in water. But by God's grace the vast majority of Indian population keeps these folks at an arm's distance. Due to the past INC policies (to get a pliable "secular opposition") the commies have a larger than life presence in arts & media. Social media outreach should be changing that as well.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 15 Nov 2019 09:55
by wasu
Multiple posts like these ( https://twitter.com/ExSecular/status/11 ... 95394?s=19 ) in twitter of different temples demolished in AP over the past one week. Demolished overnight by JCBs. We don't need history books to teach our kids about temples demolished by invader. Just book a trip to AP and stay late night in the street. You probably will witness one live. Looks like Jagan is on an accelerated schedule to turn Andhra Pradesh into Christu Pradesh before end of his 5 year term.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 15 Nov 2019 11:42
by Yagnasri
There is serious opposition in the people for this activities of Jagan. His sister and mother are far more rabid than him. It was widely said that that the removal of the chief secretory from his post for trying to remove EJs from temples particularly Thirupathi is because of the presure form these two women.

Rampant looting habits of the Government employees make them support EJ Jagan rule. People are in fact predicting that Jagan will use police actively for conversion work.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 15 Nov 2019 11:55
by Kashi
The point is not what Jagan is doing, because even not-brightest-bulb could have predicted what was going to happen.

The question is what are AP folks doing or going to do about this? How are they going to respond.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 15 Nov 2019 12:10
by Karthik S
Rayalaseema witnessed bloody faction wars, which is more was between two dominant jatis, but people are pliant when it comes to religion.

Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Posted: 15 Nov 2019 12:12
by sum
Kashi wrote:The point is not what Jagan is doing, because even not-brightest-bulb could have predicted what was going to happen.

The question is what are AP folks doing or going to do about this? How are they going to respond.

+1