2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby souravB » 26 May 2019 02:15

^^ I am seeing a scenario where MB comes back to NDA in 2024. But in any case 2021 in Bengal is going to be bloody.

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Postby aylamrin » 26 May 2019 02:19

Karthik S wrote:Guys did BJP again give ticket to that harsh vardhan and he has won? Just saw him in NM's speech. That's one guy I wish wasn't given ticket. Can't forget how he was so idiotically enthusiastic about banning diwali crackers.


Yes, I agree. But I think he is BJP's best CM candidate for Delhi.

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Postby ShyamSP » 26 May 2019 02:23

Prasad wrote:https://twitter.com/asadowaisi/status/1132338649742209024
Asaduddin Owaisi
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With such a LARGE contingent of Muslim MPs (0/303), I’m sure you’d know that making minority scholarships demand driven is urgently required

Also don’t use the ‘M word’ too much, your core supporter may get confused

Meanwhile bif are working on what really matters.


He opened account in Nizam's second head quarter. Let him enjoy with cracking jokes. :D

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby aylamrin » 26 May 2019 02:36



An old Bengali adage.

While the milkmen go about their jobs of milking cows, the old fashioned way, they run a risk of getting kicked by her. They are aware of this hazard, but they accept it anyway. Also, a cow that gives milk is considered a great asset.

Here, she compared the peacefuls to the cow that gives milk(what an irony, that Gau-Mata had to be compared to these scum!).
So, the peacefuls give her votes, and she is willing to take the hazard of being branded as a supreme appeaser of peacefuls. Her last ditch effort to consolidate peaceful bloc, so that they vote en masse .

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby aylamrin » 26 May 2019 02:39

syam wrote:AS for Home
Rajnath for Defense
PiyushG for Finance
AJ(If his health permits) for External

That's killer combo.


Gen VKS for defence.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby asbchakri » 26 May 2019 02:54

souravB wrote:^^ I am seeing a scenario where MB comes back to NDA in 2024. But in any case 2021 in Bengal is going to be bloody.


I do not see her joining NDA after what happened in this elections. Also BJP can come to power in Bengal alone and finish her off completely like the Commies.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby IndraD » 26 May 2019 03:29

who will be PM candidate in 2024: who will take the baton forward...

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Kati » 26 May 2019 03:33

Let this election euphoria get settled down, then we need to have more serious discussions about house-cleaning which is very much needed.

Some serious concerns will be shared about the ground situation in Tripura. If the situation is not handled deftly then CPM may make a comeback.

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Postby CRamS » 26 May 2019 03:44

Has that sore loser Arun Shourie spoken yet? Would love to see his sorry face melt down.

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Postby Cain Marko » 26 May 2019 04:20

aylamrin wrote:
Karthik S wrote:Guys did BJP again give ticket to that harsh vardhan and he has won? Just saw him in NM's speech. That's one guy I wish wasn't given ticket. Can't forget how he was so idiotically enthusiastic about banning diwali crackers.


Yes, I agree. But I think he is BJP's best CM candidate for Delhi.

So what was the Diwali firecracker controversy? can someone explain.
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Postby A_Gupta » 26 May 2019 04:30

CRamS wrote:Has that sore loser Arun Shourie spoken yet? Would love to see his sorry face melt down.


The awareness of Kshaatra at all levels
Shatavadhani Dr. R Ganesh
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In India, we call Patanjali, Vararuchi Katyayana, and Panini as the muni-traya (three great sages) of grammar; in the Shaankara-darshana School, we hail Gaudapada, Adi Shankara, and Sureshvara as the muni-traya; similarly, in the field of (alankara-shastra) Indian aesthetics, Bharata, Anandavardhana, and Abhinavagupta (or Kuntaka) are hailed as the muni-traya. In modern India, in matter pertaining to national importance, one can call Ram Swarup, Sita Ram Goel, and Arun Shourie as the muni-traya.
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2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Peregrine » 26 May 2019 04:38

Ashok Gehlot, KamalNath and P Chidambaram put sons above Party interest: RahulGandhi - Subodh Ghildiyal – TNN

NEW DELHI: The Congress on Saturday rejected party president Rahul Gandhi’s offer of resignation amid dramatic scenes that saw the leader accept responsiblity for the Lok Sabha debacle even as he lashed out at senior leaders for putting the interests of their sons ahead of the party.
The Congress Working Committtee (CWC) which met to deliberate on the defeat, saw an angry Rahul Gandhi blame party veterans for pushing for tickets for their sons. His intervention came after Jyotiraditya Scindia argued that Congress needed to groom strong local leaders.
Rahul pointed out Congress had done badly in states where Congress was in power. H e went on to add that CMs Ashok Gehlot of Rajasthan and Kamal Nath of Madhya Pradesh insisted on tickets for their sons even when he was not in favour of accepting their requests. He also mentioned former Union minister P Chidambaram’s name in this context.
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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Ardeshir » 26 May 2019 04:44

aylamrin wrote:An old Bengali adage.

While the milkmen go about their jobs of milking cows, the old fashioned way, they run a risk of getting kicked by her. They are aware of this hazard, but they accept it anyway. Also, a cow that gives milk is considered a great asset.

Here, she compared the peacefuls to the cow that gives milk(what an irony, that Gau-Mata had to be compared to these scum!).
So, the peacefuls give her votes, and she is willing to take the hazard of being branded as a supreme appeaser of peacefuls. Her last ditch effort to consolidate peaceful bloc, so that they vote en masse .

Wow, thanks for the explanation. Not sure if I should be happy that they still haven't learnt their lessons, or be paranoid that this is their reading of the impending demographic change. :shock:

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Postby IndraD » 26 May 2019 04:47

peacefuls are more aware than librandus ..
a peaceful friend of mine whose father was close confidant of Lalu then Rabri told 'mandate is indicator Modi's work has been blessed by people' also he is 'destiny's child'
if it goes on like this, social engineering will occur in UP, Bihar and parties like RJD, SP who depend on caste may vanish.
Surprisingly peaceful was full of praise for Modi and said so what if I support RJD at least India is in safe hands ! :mrgreen: :eek:

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Ardeshir » 26 May 2019 04:54

Peacefuls are naturally more aware than everyone else due to the nature of their upbringing. There are subtle things they do to keep reinforcing their 'otherness', which ultimately alls adds up.
For example, look at how many peacefuls have dogs as pets. It will be the highly liberandu deracinated peaceful (I love Bacon, but I am proud Muslim types) of the type I see in SoBo who might have a dog. For all other common peacefuls, dogs are 'najis' - unclean.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby KLNMurthy » 26 May 2019 05:40

hanumadu wrote:Tehseen poonawala said something interesting.
He said its not RG that has to go (which is expected), but office of RG. And he names Kumar Ketkar, Sudhindra Kulkarni and Arun Shourie and calls them a bunch of jokers. They either are really behind RG's crazy behavior or they are being made the fall guys. Considering how close TP is to RG, it is probably the later. The family is desperate to save him. This is probably extended drama to show there is no alternative.

What, Arun Shourie was helping Rahul Gandhi? How pathetic.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby amdavadi » 26 May 2019 05:44

Raga forgot to name sonia. She also sacrifice Con party and name pappu party president.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Sumair » 26 May 2019 06:07

News trickling in, Arun Jaitley may have passed away.

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Postby chetak » 26 May 2019 07:16

Sumair wrote:News trickling in, Arun Jaitley may have passed away.



this rumour has been floating around on whatsapp for several days now.


added later

Jaitley’s absence

Arun Jaitley’s absence from the victory celebrations at the BJP headquarters sparked off another bout of speculation. Not all of it in good taste. He, indeed, was at AIIMS for a day. The reason for his absence from public meetings, celebratory or otherwise, is because he has been asked to avoid places where he can be exposed to infection, not because he has undergone blood transfusion. That being the case, his reinduction in the Cabinet as FM has been put in question. However, photo evidence of him giving instruction to Fin Min officials to ‘begin the process’ of the budget for the new government at a meeting at his home has since surfaced. Obviously to counter the rumours.
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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Atmavik » 26 May 2019 07:19

ShyamSP wrote:
Prasad wrote:https://twitter.com/asadowaisi/status/1132338649742209024

Meanwhile bif are working on what really matters.


He opened account in Nizam's second head quarter. Let him enjoy with cracking jokes. :D


His dream is to re-create the old nizam state where he would enjoy 25% vote share(his stats).

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Singha » 26 May 2019 07:38

Raga ranting against tickets for sons of party elites

Oh the irony

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 26 May 2019 07:45

He owns the party sir, he is the boss, rest are underbosses, captains and soldiers.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby chetak » 26 May 2019 08:00

can a leopard change spots or is he astutely mindful of the govt at the center whose patronage he so desperately needs


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Postby suryag » 26 May 2019 08:08

No way!!! xtianity has been there since the times of Raja Reddy’s father(who was the first convert)

Jagan however, has become more a crypto based on advice from PK(Prashant Kishore)

He also has set up his swearing in ceremony for 12:23PM based on Swami swaroopanandendra’s advice

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Postby Anujan » 26 May 2019 08:12



I also heard of a certain UPA chairperson who put her son above party interest. And later, her daughter.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby g.sarkar » 26 May 2019 08:13

We need RaGa to lead Congress till Loksabha is Kangress mukt. I prey his resignation is never accepted.
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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Atmavik » 26 May 2019 08:14

suryag wrote:No way!!! xtianity has been there since the times of Raja Reddy’s father(who was the first convert)

Jagan however, has become more a crypto based on advice from PK(Prashant Kishore)

He also has set up his swearing in ceremony for 12:23PM based on Swami swaroopanandendra’s advice


spot on. this is taqiya in action. i know quite a few hard core supporters of his father who turned when he tried to build a church on the 7 sacred hills of tirumala/tirupati. this is just to win those folks back. if u want to know where his loyalties lie just watch a few videos of his brother in law( brother Anil)

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Postby Atmavik » 26 May 2019 08:21

first salvo has been fired by the BIF and lutyens. watch out for the likes of rNDTV to play up this north south divide and start anti hindi agitations.

someone plz remind them where KA is and Goa is also south.


https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/electio ... topstories

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Postby sudarshan » 26 May 2019 08:30

Atmavik wrote:spot on. this is taqiya in action. i know quite a few hard core supporters of his father who turned when he tried to build a church on the 7 sacred hills of tirumala/tirupati. this is just to win those folks back. if u want to know where his loyalties lie just watch a few videos of his brother in law( brother Anil)


Doesn't matter if it is taqiya. Use the situation to push the envelope further. To the point where it becomes full wapsi.

If he's doing things in the background which contradict the visible show of "Hinduness," then highlight that, and pressurize him to recant. Do this five, ten, twenty times, until he himself doesn't know the difference between his "taqiya" side and his "true" side.

It always starts with taqiya, it is up to the RW side to use that taqiya and keep pushing him further along the road to true wapsi (which may never happen, but still it turns a lot of his former followers, and causes disillusionment in the hardcore EJs).

For your info, a lot of Hindus also try and do "taqiya" when the EJs offer them money. "All I have to do is mumble "Jesus" a few times, and take the money." Do you think the EJs don't know this game? They are okay with it, they know they can build on it, and that the next generation is ripe for full conversion because of the parents' taqiya. "Only taqiya" is a very good beginning indeed. That is how the Xtians turned large parts of Europe into their playground.
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Modi front paged on wall street journal

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Atmavik wrote:
suryag wrote:No way!!! xtianity has been there since the times of Raja Reddy’s father(who was the first convert)

Jagan however, has become more a crypto based on advice from PK(Prashant Kishore)

He also has set up his swearing in ceremony for 12:23PM based on Swami swaroopanandendra’s advice


spot on. this is taqiya in action. i know quite a few hard core supporters of his father who turned when he tried to build a church on the 7 sacred hills of tirumala/tirupati. this is just to win those folks back. if u want to know where his loyalties lie just watch a few videos of his brother in law( brother Anil)


There was rumor that Jagan Reddy is like his grand father Raja Reddy, who was rice christian and converted to Anglican church of south India. Later some small granite mining company owner in Kadapa took jobless Raja Reddy for work as manager and gave some partnership may be due to less salary. Fate would have it he killed the owner and took over the mining and thus started family mining mafia.

YSR wanted to take over Tirumala hills also and during his time red-sandal mafia was all over Tirumala. During tenur also a lot more conversions in newer areas happened as they started pastor/Evangelical business also.

Jagan Brother-in-law started his own church (http://www.thelifechurchindia.com/about-us.html) during YSR days and routed all the foreign church money towards it as clearing house for church activities in AP and Telangana and also border parts of TN and KT.

Now that BJP, KCR, Reddys and Christians in AP put him on pedestal, let see how it goes next few years.
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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby chetak » 26 May 2019 08:34

suryag wrote:No way!!! xtianity has been there since the times of Raja Reddy’s father(who was the first convert)

Jagan however, has become more a crypto based on advice from PK(Prashant Kishore)

He also has set up his swearing in ceremony for 12:23PM based on Swami swaroopanandendra’s advice


either way, the blessings are a publicity stunt but will certainly fool a lot of prithvi raj type Hindus.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Singha » 26 May 2019 08:40

IBNLIVE

GONDA, UTTAR PRADESH: Impressed with the Prime Minister, a Muslim woman has decided to name her newborn ''Narendra Damodardas Modi''.
After failing to convince the mother Mainaz Begum against it, the family in Parsapur Mahraur village has filed an affidavit seeking the registration of the name.

Mainaz Begum came up with the idea while names for the boy were being discussed on May 23, the day the Lok Sabha results came in and Narendra Modi won a massive mandate.

People around her tried to make her change her mind, but she was adamant, her father-in-law Idrees told PTI.

When her husband Mushtaq Ahmed, who works in Dubai, was informed, he too tried to make her drop the idea.

But he ended up agreeing to his wife's wish.

The family then filed an affidavit addressed to the district magistrate and submitted it to Assistant Development Officer (panchayat) Ghanshyam Pandey.

When contacted, Pandey said he received the affidavit on Friday.


He said the application has been forwarded to the village panchayat secretary, who deals with the registration of births and deaths.

"Action will be taken as per the law," he said.

In the affidavit, Mainaz Begum lavished praise on Modi and his government's welfare schemes, including free cooking gas connection to the poor and financial help to construct toilets.

"He is doing very good work for the country," it said.

The affidavit also praised PM Modi for the initiative to end triple talaq.


Her father-in-law Idrees said naming the child was the family's private affair and "no one should interfere in this."

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby OmkarC » 26 May 2019 08:44

Prasad wrote:https://twitter.com/asadowaisi/status/1132338649742209024
Asaduddin Owaisi
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With such a LARGE contingent of Muslim MPs (0/303), I’m sure you’d know that making minority scholarships demand driven is urgently required

Also don’t use the ‘M word’ too much, your core supporter may get confused

Meanwhile bif are working on what really matters.


Guys, I am as hardcore hidutvawadi as anyone out here and hail from Hyderabad, so I grew up around stories of SALARs (Persian for "Leader", which is how Owaisi family male heirs are referred to).. they are typically hardcore anti-Hindus, and their MIM party is perhaps the longest running anti-Hindu force in Indian subcontinent. MIM party was established in 1927, with the help of Nizam, to provide political cover for setting up a Muslim dominion within British India and one of the earliest party leaders was Kassim Rizvi, the man who started the Razakar militia that committed genocides on Hindus in Nizam controlled areas of Marathwada, KA & TG. After Patel annexed the Nizam areas through operation Polo, Kassim Rizvi was jailed & deported, the baton was passed to his #2 - Abdul Wahed Owaisi - Asaduddin Owaisi's grandfather. I dont know about his grandfather, but his dad, Sultan Salahuddin Owaisi, was the one who started consolidating Muslims into a solid vote bank, got them support his leadership and turning MIM into the voice of Muslims in the city.. he would then put a price for supporting which ever party appealed to his interests. He was also known in the city as a very bigoted and anti-Hindu person.

So, given all this history, one could easily conclude that Asaduddin is the typical "apple doesn't fall far from the tree" case in all likelihood. But a deeper analysis reveals, he's a peculiar case among anti-BJP forces and understanding his mindset would be helpful to form better notions about his agenda. My hypothesis is that Asaduddin is far more strategic, worldly and not as ideologically driven as his dad or others. He is neither a part of BIF or PIF.. he's a power monger who sees his interests and his community's interests are protected within the dominion of India, and there is nothing to be gained for Muslims by working in sync with the BIFs by serving their interests. I would argue that despite its grisly anti-Hindu roots MIM under Asaduddin should not be lumped with PFI/SDPI parties of Kerala or SIMI/HUJI of eastern India, as the latter two are more clearly aligned with BIF forces.

I think he finds there is absolutely no way the BIF wet-dream of Mughalistan or Dalitstan is practically realizable or even if realizable, not in his own community's interests, as it will only be beneficial to Punjabi Sunni Elite who will promptly snuff him out of any vestiges of power if they ever get their say. His strategy seems to be to build a stronger Muslim vote bank by uniting with other Hindu communities, assume a leadership role for both and become a stronger power-broker - all within the confines of Indian republic.

Which is why, what he says is not always in the concerted anti-nationalist sync that all opposition parties & commies play out. For one, he has defended India for its treatment of Minorities in Pakistan better than Congress leaders like MS Aiyer in live TV shows. He has no need for generating goodwill from Hindus, nor does he need Hindu votes either, but it is just not in his interest to support Pakjabi agenda either. Infact, he could get more votes via polarization if he intentionally says something pro-pak, and gets attacked by Hindus in India. He has spoken against Pulwama attacks and in praise of Balakot attacks amidst large gatherings of Muslim-only meetings, while Chandranna/Mamata and other Congies were betraying the nation by supporting Pakistani narratives on both issues. I remember him giving emotional speeches in old city when a Indian Muslim soldier was martyred, he & his party took out processions of the soldiers remains draped in Indian flag.. he had no need to do so, as separatism should be an easier commodity to sell in Islamic dominated old city, but he has never advocated that.

He has seen extraordinary rise in his own personal wealth by working with regional/caste parties within the past decade - that he prefers the occasional low intensity Hindu-Muslim conflicts to keep his flock together, but doesn't subscribe to domination & subjugation of Hindus like the past era of MIM leaders.

I would go out on a limb here by saying he is a powerful tool that could potentially be co-opted to bring legit to nationalism among Muslims by convincing them the futility of supporting Pakjabi agendas and even employ him to counter the ISIS supporting, openly anti-Indian, pro-Paki BIF pawns of Kerala/TN.

Sidenote digression (albeit relevant): Please note that among the unseen Caste system within the Islamic community, Owaisi family (and many Hyderabadi Muslim elite) have an undercurrent of resentment towards Pakjabis for refusing to acknowledge their purported Blue blood origins (apparently they have some Turkish or Persian origin) and treating them on par with other Muhajirs from India, and especially resent their association with "south Indian" muslims of Andhra, TN, Kerala.. this was evident from the times of Tipu Sultan, who was refused a bride from the Nizam family due to his supposedly "south Indian"/SDRE origin. Sania Mirza eagerly marrying Pakjabi Shoaib Malik is a manifestation of this inherent craving for acceptance from the Pakjabi elite among some Hyderabadi elite, who are not mentally strong to rebel.
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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Singha » 26 May 2019 08:47

good point OmkarC - i had shared the same assessment of Owaisi on BRF many years ago.

if not for the silent threats of the social circle, many many muslim women would vote for namo. those with any means are rebelling against the extreme gulf version of patriarchy like saudi women running away on vacation and asking for asylum.

I believe triple talaq is actually unlawful in most of the islamic sharia countries including pakistan, but here we have some political islamists and their cats paws wanting to be holier than thou.
nikah halala is more difficult to monitor and check.
there are reports of even female genital mutilation making its way to india from western side.

far from merging more with the mainstream, various oil droplets are trying to be holier than thou and take a defiant posture.

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Postby Singha » 26 May 2019 08:49

nicholas taleb of black swan fame has a post on medium.com on how a small defiant uncompromising minority can impose their choices on a much larger placid majority who take the path of least resistance. he gives the examples of how christianity destroyed the roman religion and how islam did the same to many others in middle east and the halal/kosher food thing - seems even fruit juice is marked kosher with a coded U !!

https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-int ... 1f83ce4e15

each cycle of defiance ends up in making the product more stern and rigid and 'pure' :mrgreen:

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The two asymmetric rules were are as follows. First, if a non Muslim man under the rule of Islam marries a Muslim woman, he needs to convert to Islam –and if either parents of a child happens to be Muslim, the child will be Muslim[3]. Second, becoming Muslim is irreversible, as apostasy is the heaviest crime under the religion, sanctioned by the death penalty. :twisted: The famous Egyptian actor Omar Sharif, born Mikhael Demetri Shalhoub, was of Lebanese Christian origins. He converted to Islam to marry a famous Egyptian actress and had to change his name to an Arabic one. He later divorced, but did not revert to the faith of his ancestors.

Under these two asymmetric rules, one can do simple simulations and see how a small Islamic group occupying Christian (Coptic) Egypt can lead, over the centuries, to the Copts becoming a tiny minority. All one needs is a small rate of interfaith marriages. Likewise, one can see how Judaism doesn’t spread and tends to stay in the minority, as the religion has opposite rules: the mother is required to be Jewish, causing interfaith marriages to leave the community. An even stronger asymmetry than that of Judaism explains the depletion in the Near East of three Gnostic faiths: the Druze, the Ezidi, and the Mandeans (Gnostic religions are those with mysteries and knowledge that is typically accessible to only a minority of elders, with the rest of the members in the dark about the details of the faith). Unlike Islam that requires either parents to be Muslim, and Judaism that asks for at least the mother to have the faith, these three religions require both parents to be of the faith, otherwise the person says toodaloo to the community.

Egypt has a flat terrain. The distribution of the population presents homogeneous mixtures there, which permits renormalization (i.e. allows the asymmetric rule to prevail) –we saw earlier in the chapter that for Kosher rules to work, one needed Jews to be somewhat spread out across the country. But in places such as Lebanon, Galilee, and Northern Syria, with mountainous terrain, Christians and other Non Sunni Muslims remained concentrated. Christians not being exposed to Muslims, experienced no intermarriage.

Egypt’s Copts suffered from another problem: the irreversibility of Islamic conversions. Many Copts during Islamic rule converted to Islam when it was merely an administrative procedure, something that helps one land a job or handle a problem that requires Islamic jurisprudence. One do not have to really believe in it since Islam doesn’t conflict markedly with Orthodox Christianity. Little by little a Christian or Jewish family bearing the marrano-style conversion becomes truly converted, as, a couple of generations later, the descendants forget the arrangement of their ancestors.
(Singha => and this is exactly the plan for the rice bag converts in india. the 1st gen do it for economic gains, but the next gen onwards is kattar...esp target the young mother to tag n bag the future children)

So all Islam did was out-stubborn Christianity, which itself won thanks to its own stubbornness. For, before Islam, the original spread of Christianity in the Roman empire can be largely seen due to… the blinding intolerance of Christians, their unconditional, aggressive and proselyting recalcitrance. Roman pagans were initially tolerant of Christians, as the tradition was to share gods with other members of the empire. But they wondered why these Nazarenes didn’t want to give and take gods and offer that Jesus fellow to the Roman pantheon in exchange for some other gods. What, our gods aren’t good enough for them? But Christians were intolerant of Roman paganism. The “persecutions” of the Christians had vastly more to do with the intolerance of the Christians for the pantheon and local gods, than the reverse. What we read is history written by the Christian side, not the Greco-Roman one. [4]

We know too little about the Roman side during the rise of Christianity, as hagiographies have dominated the discourse: we have for instance the narrative of the martyr Saint Catherine, who kept converting her jailors until she was beheaded, except that… she may have never existed. There are endless histories of Christian martyrs and saints –but very little about the other side, Pagan heroes. All we have is the bit we know about the reversion to Christianity during the emperor Julian’s apostasy and the writings of his entourage of Syrian-Greek pagans such as Libanius Antiochus. Julian had tried to go back to Ancient Paganism in vain: it was like trying to keep a balloon under water. And it was not because the majority was pagan as historians mistakenly think: it was because the Christian side was too unyielding. Christianity had great minds such as Gregorius of Nazianzen and Basil of Caesaria, but nothing to match the great orator Libanius, not even close. (My heuristic is that the more pagan, the more brilliant one’s mind, and the higher one’s ability to handle nuances and ambiguity. Purely monotheistic religious such as Protestant Christianity, Salafi Islam, or fundamentalist atheism accommodate literalist and mediocre minds that cannot handle ambiguity.)

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 26 May 2019 09:08

Atmavik wrote:first salvo has been fired by the BIF and lutyens. watch out for the likes of rNDTV to play up this north south divide and start anti hindi agitations.

someone plz remind them where KA is and Goa is also south.


https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/electio ... topstories

Someone should tell stalin that bjp is the single largest party of South India by seats.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 26 May 2019 09:11

OmkarC wrote:
Prasad wrote:https://twitter.com/asadowaisi/status/1132338649742209024

Meanwhile bif are working on what really matters.


Guys, I am as hardcore hidutvawadi as anyone out here and hail from Hyderabad, so I grew up around stories of SALARs (Persian for "Leader", which is how Owaisi family male heirs are referred to).. they are typically hardcore anti-Hindus, and their MIM party is perhaps the longest running anti-Hindu force in Indian subcontinent. MIM party was established in 1927, with the help of Nizam, to provide political cover for setting up a Muslim dominion within British India and one of the earliest party leaders was Kassim Rizvi, the man who started the Razakar militia that committed genocides on Hindus in Nizam controlled areas of Marathwada, KA & TG. After Patel annexed the Nizam areas through operation Polo, Kassim Rizvi was jailed & deported, the baton was passed to his #2 - Abdul Wahed Owaisi - Asaduddin Owaisi's grandfather. I dont know about his grandfather, but his dad, Sultan Salahuddin Owaisi, was the one who started consolidating Muslims into a solid vote bank, got them support his leadership and turning MIM into the voice of Muslims in the city.. he would then put a price for supporting which ever party appealed to his interests. He was also known in the city as a very bigoted and anti-Hindu person.

So, given all this history, one could easily conclude that Asaduddin is the typical "apple doesn't fall far from the tree" case in all likelihood. But I believe he's a peculiar case among anti-BJP forces as of now and understanding his mindset would be helpful. My hypothesis is that Asaduddin is far more strategic, worldly and not as ideologically driven as his dad or others. He is neither a part of BIF or PIF.. he's a power monger who sees his interests and his community's interests are protected within the dominion of India, and there is nothing to be gained for Muslims by working in sync with the BIFs by serving their interests. I would argue that despite its grisly anti-Hindu roots MIM under Asaduddin should not be lumped with PFI/SDPI parties of Kerala or SIMI/HUJI of eastern India, as the latter two are more clearly aligned with BIF forces.

I think he finds there is absolutely no way the BIF wet-dream of Mughalistan or Dalitstan is practically realizable or even if realizable, not in his own community's interests, as it will only be beneficial to anyone except the Punjabi Sunni Elite who will snuff him out of any vestiges of power if they ever get their say. His strategy seems to be to build a stronger Muslim vote bank by uniting with other Hindu communities, assume a leadership role for both and become a stronger power-broker - all within the confines of Indian republic.

Which is why, what he says is not always in the concerted sync that all opposition parties & commies play out, in the synchronized orchestra that BIF plays out. For one, he has defended India for its treatment of Minorities in Pakistan better than Congress leaders like MS Aiyer in live TV shows. He has no need for generating goodwill from Hindus, nor does he need Hindu votes either, but it is just not in his interest to support Pakjabi agenda either. Infact, he could get more votes via polarization if he intentionally says something pro-pak, and gets attacked by Hindus in India. He has spoken against Pulwama attacks and in praise of Balakot attacks amidst large gatherings of Muslim-only meetings, while Chandranna/Mamata and other Congies were betraying the nation by supporting Pakistani narratives on both issues. I remember him giving emotional speeches in old city when a Indian Muslim soldier was martyred, he & his party took out processions of the soldiers remains draped in Indian flag.. he had no need to do so, as separatism should be an easier commodity to sell in Islamic dominated old city, but he has never advocated that.

He has seen extraordinary rise in his own personal wealth by working with regional/caste parties within the past decade - that he prefers the occasional low intensity Hindu-Muslim conflicts to keep his flock together, but doesn't subscribe to domination & subjugation of Hindus like the past era of MIM leaders.

I would go out on a limb here by saying he is a powerful tool that could potentially be co-opted to bring legit to nationalism by convincing them the futility of supporting Pakjabi endorsing BIFs, employ him to counter the ISIS supporting openly anti-Indian, pro-Paki BIF pawns of Kerala/TN.

Sidenote digression (albeit relevant): Please note that among the unseen Caste system within the Islamic community, Owaisi family (and many Hyderabadi Muslim elite) have an undercurrent of resentment towards Pakjabis for refusing to acknowledge their purported Blue blood origins (apparently they have some Turkish or Persian origin) and treating them on par with other Muhajirs from India, and especially resent their association with "south Indian" muslims of Andhra, TN, Kerala.. this was evident from the times of Tipu Sultan, who was refused a bride from the Nizam family due to his supposedly "south Indian"/SDRE origin. Sania Mirza eagerly marrying Pakjabi Shoaib Malik is a manifestation of this inherent craving for acceptance from the Pakjabi elite among some Hyderabadi elite, who are not mentally strong to rebel.


We never learn do we? Just because he is disenfranchised by pakjabis, who are sunnis and he is a shia btw, doesn't mean he can be co-opted. How many islamic countries pakjabis are allowed visa free entry? Within ummah, there are individual tribes that may fight among themselves, their entire population is trained for that. But that intra tribe fight doesn't mean any of those tribes will co-opt with kafirs.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 26 May 2019 09:14

Rahul M wrote:
Atmavik wrote:first salvo has been fired by the BIF and lutyens. watch out for the likes of rNDTV to play up this north south divide and start anti hindi agitations.

someone plz remind them where KA is and Goa is also south.


https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/electio ... topstories

Someone should tell stalin that bjp is the single largest party of South India by seats.


You need to have some intellect and intelligence to understand all that. He and his dumeels missed evolution of brain from homo erectus to homo sapiens.


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