2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby KLNMurthy » 02 Jun 2019 09:38

A_Gupta wrote:
Karthik S wrote:[/b]

Any ideas how that can be accomplished ?


The only way I see right now is beyond constitutional amendments that are necessary, is:
- make high quality education available that leads to employment (opportunity for a good life is available)
- start erasing the narrative of "Hindu degeneration due to polytheism, idolatry, caste system" (erase the stigma of associating with Hindus)
- promote a meritocracy (erase fear of discrimination)
- promote rule of law (erase fear of violence)


I earnestly believed the same things once upon a time. Now I am a lot les sure.

I think the dream of conquering and subjugating the kaffir, and enjoying his wealth and women is powerful in its own right. From a certain POV, it is a positive goal worth risking everything for, and a stable, just society where equality, hard work and merit prevail would seem like a dull compromise. This drive for power and dominance was Iqbal's vision, who in turn was channeling Nietzsche.

Not at all sure this tamo-rajasic force can be contained bloodlessly by sattvic energy without calling forth the terrifying powers of the latter.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby sreeji » 02 Jun 2019 13:32

KJo wrote:Why I am apprehensive, sad and upset with formation of the new government
by Humra Quraishi
:(( :(( :((

As an Indian Muslim, I have never ever felt so suffocated and threatened, as I have been since 2014, when Modi govt came to power. I am scared and worried wondering what’s in store for the country now. the news of lynching or hounding Muslims kept the society and Muslims in particular shocked and sacred. Never before in the history of India, the Muslim population has been so very blatantly bypassed and discriminated against.

:(( :(( :((


It belittles three of the greatest builders of the Indian State- Ashoka, the Buddhist; Akbar; the Muslim ; and Nehru, a civilized Enlightened Hindu


India is now being led by an uncivilized unenlightened hindu. :((

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Supratik » 02 Jun 2019 13:46

Ramana, what I meant was except TN there was no anti-incumbency. In KL Sabarimala superceded all other concerns. In AP CBN got toasted as the BJP/Modi votes got transferred to Jagan. In TG north is saffron, spectacular gains if you see the AE a few months back. PJ I believe some sections of SIkhs are not comfortable with Hindutva ideoolgy. Rest of India is a sweep.


Many moons back on BRF I had said that reconquista is possible when the indigenous people become conscious of it. The only thing that has worked for Islam in the subcontinent since the loss of power to the Marathas is demographics. You have to find ways to negate and reverse it through a combination of tools but it is doable. But for that we have to be prepared. At this moment we have to contain the demographics within India. The rest of India is Bdesh which has now entered a population stabilization phase. IMO, it will start requiring immigrants in a couple of decade. The remaining parts are Sindh, Seraikistan, west PJ, Gandhar and POK. Of these POK and Sindh are integratable at this moment without causing much damage to demographics. West PJ and Gandhar should wait.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Supratik » 02 Jun 2019 13:50

To contain demographics within India you have to make all social welfare available to only people with two or less children. Ramdev is right on this issue even though the left-lib are after him.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby DharmaB » 02 Jun 2019 14:14

KLNMurthy wrote:
I earnestly believed the same things once upon a time. Now I am a lot les sure.

I think the dream of conquering and subjugating the kaffir, and enjoying his wealth and women is powerful in its own right. From a certain POV, it is a positive goal worth risking everything for, and a stable, just society where equality, hard work and merit prevail would seem like a dull compromise. This drive for power and dominance was Iqbal's vision, who in turn was channeling Nietzsche.

Not at all sure this tamo-rajasic force can be contained bloodlessly by sattvic energy without calling forth the terrifying powers of the latter.


The permanent solution to this menace depends on what happens in other parts of the world with rising green population especially in west (europe, america and australia etc.) Till then India has to protect itself by enabling some laws like population control, UCC along with inclusive policies and bringing development fruits to aam abdul to keep them in control (difficult task though). Already there are discussions started in media (ex: on Arnob's channel on Ramdev baba comment on third child policy).

Few years back in/after 2009 GE, there was no hope on how to contain these anti-india, anti-hindoo forces, but now a lot changed and people are seeing ray of hope especially after Baalaakot episode, India may be slowly moving towards achieving a permanent solution (still looks like a dream come true wish only to me & many like me). At least the developments can be seen as first steps in that direction, and hope for the best to come out from whatever happens in next five years ( baaki Sri Ram ji ki krupa...)

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby DharmaB » 02 Jun 2019 14:37

Supratik ji already mentioned about Ramdev baba POV in above post. But what is the problem and how & with what logic the BIF will counter if govt try to bring in laws for UCC & PC? I believe they will be more exposed on their evil agenda of gajwee-ee-hiind and turning india green. But it has to happen asap. If they are brought just before next GE, then they will accuse that they are divisive/polarizing tactics to win elections. I believe some of the core issue must be acted upon now itself instead of postponing in view of next election after next election. It is a never ending cycle. And more over BeeJayPee has made a promise that they will act decisively on core issues if they cross 300. Whatever is good for India, should be done with conviction and without wasting time. There won't be any right time to act than this... seriously...

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 02 Jun 2019 16:45

Image

Pema Khanu, first day at office as CM.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Supratik » 02 Jun 2019 17:07

Dharma I think what is preventing in bringing Ramdev's policy is that in states like UP< BH, JH, RJ, CG the Hindu TFR is still above 2.1 and these are vote heavy states. THis can be a political hot potato at this time. Should be done as soon as Hindu TFR reaches 2.1 in these states.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 02 Jun 2019 17:14

Guys, 2 child norm is not implementable.

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Postby KJo » 02 Jun 2019 17:17

Karthik S wrote:
Pema Khanu, first day at office as CM.


Buddhist, but has a Yesu pic on the wall? Hmm.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Supratik » 02 Jun 2019 17:25

Not 2 child norm but welfare limit to two child. You can have 50 children if you want but no freeloading on people with 2 children paying tax.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby darshan » 02 Jun 2019 17:31

Before allowing voting, there also needs to be clear sign off on UCC, islam allows democracy and laws are not made by allah/imam/etc., that taxes aren't non islamic and would be paid, islam doesn't prevent vaccination, etc.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 02 Jun 2019 17:40

Karthik S wrote:Image

Pema Khanu, first day at office as CM.

Khandu, not khanu.

KJ, ArP has a very large % of buddhists, he has accomodated all religions there. middle one is Donyi Polo, the original animistic faith of the non-buddhist tribes which nowadays survives with RSS support.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby A_Gupta » 02 Jun 2019 17:55

KLNMurthy wrote:
I earnestly believed the same things once upon a time. Now I am a lot les sure.

I think the dream of conquering and subjugating the kaffir, and enjoying his wealth and women is powerful in its own right. From a certain POV, it is a positive goal worth risking everything for, and a stable, just society where equality, hard work and merit prevail would seem like a dull compromise. This drive for power and dominance was Iqbal's vision, who in turn was channeling Nietzsche.

Not at all sure this tamo-rajasic force can be contained bloodlessly by sattvic energy without calling forth the terrifying powers of the latter.


Well, above cited article including this gem “...and Nehru, a civilized Enlightened Hindu..” makes the point about the prevailing narrative, which is that the great mass of Hindus are uncivilized. Who would want to associate with them? When Gandhi said, if we must separate, let us do so as brothers dividing an ancestral property, Jinnah wanted nothing to do with it, Muslims belonged to a different order of civilization. Per Nehru, Jinnah’s original falling out with Gandhi was when Gandhi threw open the doors of Congress membership to the unwashed, ill-clothed masses instead of only civilized, enlightened ones.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby pankajs » 02 Jun 2019 18:34

https://www.thehindu.com/elections/lok- ... 297239.ece
Post-poll survey: the 2019 verdict is a manifestation of the deepening religious divide in India
Lokniti’s post-poll survey data clearly find that the BJP’s all-time high vote share of 37.4% has come mostly on the back of an unprecedented Hindu consolidation around the party as only a small proportion of religious minorities supported the BJP. In 2014, 36% of all Hindu voters were found to have supported the BJP. This time the number increased to 44%. The NDA got 51% votes among Hindus.

The Key finding .. busting the myth that BJP does not have support from Dalits or Adivasis or that it has lost that support during its office term.
The BJP was able to secure this enormous Hindu support on account of the backing it received from all Hindu castes and communities, including Dalits and Adivasis, when compared to 2014. Support from Dalits went up by 10 percentage points; among Adivasis, it went up by seven percentage points. In a sense, the unification of Hindu communities in the 2014 election not only persisted but strengthened further this time.

Finally ...
Some claim that religious minorities voted in large numbers for the NDA. This is not true, according to our data. The burden and responsibility of this sweeping verdict for Prime Minister Narendra Modi rests almost entirely on the majority community’s shoulders.

BUT one must remember, the votes accrued to BJP based on their delivery on the basics and NOT on hindutva especially amongst the poor, dalits and Adivasis.

A couple of terms of solid delivery will embed the entire spectrum of Hindu voters, but especially the poor, OBCs, Dalits and the Adivasis, permanently into the BJP folds and they will start buying BJP's "Idea of India" project too. Re-shaping India/Idea of India will need patience and a steady hand.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby pankajs » 02 Jun 2019 18:52

Mods remove the post if you feel it clutters the thread


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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby KLNMurthy » 02 Jun 2019 21:22

A_Gupta wrote:
Well, above cited article including this gem “...and Nehru, a civilized Enlightened Hindu..” makes the point about the prevailing narrative, which is that the great mass of Hindus are uncivilized. Who would want to associate with them? When Gandhi said, if we must separate, let us do so as brothers dividing an ancestral property, Jinnah wanted nothing to do with it, Muslims belonged to a different order of civilization. Per Nehru, Jinnah’s original falling out with Gandhi was when Gandhi threw open the doors of Congress membership to the unwashed, ill-clothed masses instead of only civilized, enlightened ones.


I understand the context. But we should ask ourselves two questions:

1. If we Hindus become perfect people + eliminate the slander with perfect PR, would Muslim discontent disappear, for all practical purposes?

2. What other culture, in what period of history has had to meet the standard of perfection in "1" as a precondition for the possibility of ceasing hostilities against it?

I think perhaps a wolf-and-the-lamb kind of pretext-making describes "Muslim aspirations."

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby disha » 02 Jun 2019 22:18



Humra is a CONgoon bimbo writing in National Herald which is usurped & owned by Nehru-Maino.

There is nothing much to discuss on the above article other than concentrate on Sabka-Saath-Sabka-Vikas & ensure rule of law prevails.
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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby KJo » 02 Jun 2019 22:38

Rahul M wrote:
KJ, ArP has a very large % of buddhists, he has accomodated all religions there. middle one is Donyi Polo, the original animistic faith of the non-buddhist tribes which nowadays survives with RSS support.


Ah, you are right. And he has Modiji as the biggest picture of them all. :mrgreen:

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby KLNMurthy » 02 Jun 2019 22:49

Suraj wrote:
Rishi_Tri wrote:Greatest Mandate for sure, but Balakot played a big role in this. I would say topping up BJP / NDA tally by 50 seats.

Electricity, Gas, Bank Accounts etc. have been delivered for the poorest of the poor but puncturing of economic engine, largely due to incoherence between finance ministry and RBI (read as Urjit Patel raising interest rates when growth was not above 10% and inflation was still around 4%) has had sobering affect on populace across the nation . Last few months' inflation (around 2%) and growth numbers (now down to 5.8%) bear witness to that.

Also issues of Middle Class especially housing with millions of houses not delivered, small scale manufacturing not able to pick up because of rampant Chinese imports, lack of emergence of any non IT sector as large employer ... etc. .. has really dimmed the prospects of middle class, and a middle class that is only growing by the day. A middle class that has stood by BJP over last three decades.

Eventually - it does come down to Roti, Kapda, Makaan.. The next year or two are extremely critical.

I do not agree that growth momentum has stalled . Far too little time to make such claims. Q4 data is also affected by close to 8% growth in Q4 of the prior fiscal, in addition to pre-election wait and watch behavior .

While I agree that Balakot provided a boost, the voteshare gains are far too high and far too broad based to be due to just one emotional reason. BJP alone has close to 2x it’s long term voteshare (20%) . NDA has a higher voteshare than any elected entity except Rajiv in 1984 (2 months after IGs killing) and Nehru in 1957 amidst no challengers.

I would completely disagree with anyone claiming the mandate is because of 1-2 short term impact actions - every govt rolls out pre poll sops and yet nothing like the present happened . ABV went into 1999 on the back of Kargil and won a spectacular (not) 182 seats .

The bottom line is that too many people have benefited in their daily lives that BJP is the default national vote of governance , what INC used to be . Just winning a war or some cool sop only gets you at best SLP .

To get 2x historical long term vote share and the first ever party to return to power with an absolute mandate with an even larger seatshare and absurdly high voteshare despite historically high turnout (Yogendra Yadavs presentation shows this abnormality - historically a higher turnout is anti and not pro incumbent) means a lot more people benefited in more profound ways than just reading news about GDP or IAF missions .

If Modi fixes the universal access to water and food security by 2024, BJP will win 330-360 seats then. There’s a very good recent article on Swarajyamag describing the vote as a case of ‘we like what you did with 280 seats . Here’s some more - show us what you can do with it’. Arguably no government in Indian political history has ever gotten such vote before , or at least not in 2+ generations.

Not that knowledgeable about economic theory, but intuitively it seems to me that there is a tradeoff between "distribution" vs. "rate of growth". I mean, if you didn't care (for the moment at least) about spreading the benefits to lower strata, you could probably achieve a higher rate of growth. OTOH, when you spend billions on building toilets, gas connections, small business loans etc. and also in enforcement measures such as demonetization, and finance infrastruture changes such as GST, you are probably taking something away from investment and, also imposing a short-term overhead cost on business, all of which will reduce growth rate.

I think the carping about lowered growth rate misses the point, and comes from people who are not really serious about the fruits of growth reaching the poor immediately, versus on some "tomorrow" that never comes.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby KLNMurthy » 02 Jun 2019 22:51

DharmaB wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote:
I earnestly believed the same things once upon a time. Now I am a lot les sure.

I think the dream of conquering and subjugating the kaffir, and enjoying his wealth and women is powerful in its own right. From a certain POV, it is a positive goal worth risking everything for, and a stable, just society where equality, hard work and merit prevail would seem like a dull compromise. This drive for power and dominance was Iqbal's vision, who in turn was channeling Nietzsche.

Not at all sure this tamo-rajasic force can be contained bloodlessly by sattvic energy without calling forth the terrifying powers of the latter.


The permanent solution to this menace depends on what happens in other parts of the world with rising green population especially in west (europe, america and australia etc.) Till then India has to protect itself by enabling some laws like population control, UCC along with inclusive policies and bringing development fruits to aam abdul to keep them in control (difficult task though). Already there are discussions started in media (ex: on Arnob's channel on Ramdev baba comment on third child policy).

Few years back in/after 2009 GE, there was no hope on how to contain these anti-india, anti-hindoo forces, but now a lot changed and people are seeing ray of hope especially after Baalaakot episode, India may be slowly moving towards achieving a permanent solution (still looks like a dream come true wish only to me & many like me). At least the developments can be seen as first steps in that direction, and hope for the best to come out from whatever happens in next five years ( baaki Sri Ram ji ki krupa...)

I would say the lead for a solution has to come from India, for a lot of obvious reasons.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby NRao » 02 Jun 2019 23:45

What is Lutyens media. And, how PM Modi has demolished its ecosystem

https://www.facebook.com/IndiaUnravelle ... 351103867/

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Postby vimal » 03 Jun 2019 00:50

Hindsight is always 20/20 and eminent intellectuals like him have it easy as they can swing any which way after results are declared. If raga had won then he would be spouting the wonders of ganga-jamuni tehzeeb and singing Raga rag.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby DharmaB » 03 Jun 2019 00:58

KLNMurthy wrote:
DharmaB wrote:
The permanent solution to this menace depends on what happens in other parts of the world with rising green population especially in west (europe, america and australia etc.) Till then India has to protect itself by enabling some laws like population control, UCC along with inclusive policies and bringing development fruits to aam abdul to keep them in control (difficult task though). Already there are discussions started in media (ex: on Arnob's channel on Ramdev baba comment on third child policy).

Few years back in/after 2009 GE, there was no hope on how to contain these anti-india, anti-hindoo forces, but now a lot changed and people are seeing ray of hope especially after Baalaakot episode, India may be slowly moving towards achieving a permanent solution (still looks like a dream come true wish only to me & many like me). At least the developments can be seen as first steps in that direction, and hope for the best to come out from whatever happens in next five years ( baaki Sri Ram ji ki krupa...)

I would say the lead for a solution has to come from India, for a lot of obvious reasons.


If that happens by miracle, India would be proclaimed as Vishwa-Guru in true sense. But I am less optimistic about the general public and most of the polity to stand up to that challenge. The pseudo Ahimsa vaad is ruling the psyche of Indian public even at the cost of self demolition. If NaMo/Shah some how achieve this objective, they will be Chanakya/Chandragupta of this age.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby DharmaB » 03 Jun 2019 01:00

Could not get any Kashmir specific thread, but here is an interesting interview on article 370, 35A...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-ZNm7-9Z9I

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Atmavik » 03 Jun 2019 07:58

Rajnath Singh is making a trip to Siachen Glacier.

https://twitter.com/rajnathsingh/status ... 0903352320

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Suraj » 03 Jun 2019 10:40

KLNMurthy wrote:Not that knowledgeable about economic theory, but intuitively it seems to me that there is a tradeoff between "distribution" vs. "rate of growth". I mean, if you didn't care (for the moment at least) about spreading the benefits to lower strata, you could probably achieve a higher rate of growth. OTOH, when you spend billions on building toilets, gas connections, small business loans etc. and also in enforcement measures such as demonetization, and finance infrastruture changes such as GST, you are probably taking something away from investment and, also imposing a short-term overhead cost on business, all of which will reduce growth rate.

I think the carping about lowered growth rate misses the point, and comes from people who are not really serious about the fruits of growth reaching the poor immediately, versus on some "tomorrow" that never comes.

Distribution is a rather bad word to use to describe the changes at the bottom of the economic pyramid in the past five years. Most of these are fixed asset investments - roads, electricity lines to every village, gas cylinder distribution under Ujjwala, toilet building under Swacch Bharat, and the PMAY-R rural home building.

The process of building all this doesn't move the needle of GDP growth dramatically - it's outlay from government revenues being spent on all this, that would have been spent somehow. Gains are more likely to be immediately visible in HDI parameters, but will also contribute to GDP growth by priming the pump for greater economic activity, given access to roads, electricity, fuel, sanitation that frees up time and give people more potential to do more with their time.

Another factor - something I mentioned 3 weeks back, is that at least 2 of these new efforts are dealing with an issue we typically never face - SEBs are under fiscal pressure because not everyone can afford the electricity, and billing mechanisms have not been updated to handle all the new coverage areas. Similarly, Ujjwala is somewhat affected by people having to pay for cylinders upfront and get a subsidy paid back later. The situation here is unique in the sense that supply of basic public goods and utilities has now overtaken demand - with >95% coverage of most of these, there are now more people covered by basic goods and utilities than people able to pay for them. For pretty much all of India's economic history, it has been the reverse - delivery was so poor that people were always chafing at the lack of efficient delivery, which shows up as 'anti incumbency'.

In my opinion, this election was completely uncharacteristic of any past Indian election ever (highest turnout ever, effectively the highest voteshare in any competitive GE, 55-70% voteshare across approximately 20 states) because of a massive pro-incumbency sentiment driven by an enormous improvement in the quality of life at the bottom of the pyramid. It's not something the YoYas of the world notice - rather funny considering he passes himself off as a 'Lohia-ite socialist' . Lohia would probably slap him with his chappal for making such a claim - a Lohiaite socialist of all people would have noticed the gains at the bottom of the economic pyramid.

My only concern regarding this election was how well the effort would translate to votes. As it turned out, spectacularly so. Indian economic policy has often suffered from lack of transmission of reform to voteshare gains, probably because most reform measures were top down and only trickled down to the masses (this was true under ABV too - it was far too early for them to claim 'India Shining') but Modi was shrewd - he basically ignored the whole theory and focused on the bottom, right from the beginning in his 2014 inauguration and I-Day speeches.

Demonstrably, reforms that give priority towards ensuring that the bottom of the pyramid has a dignified basic lifestyle, makes it easier to translate reforms to votes . Even as late as 2014, we had 55-60% percent of rural India lacking a village road, electricity, or a place to go to pakistan. This election is an example of what the population says when someone focuses directly on improving that .

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby banrjeer » 03 Jun 2019 11:00

Suraj wrote:
The situation here is unique in the sense that supply of basic public goods and utilities has now overtaken demand - with >95% coverage of most of these, there are now more people covered by basic goods and utilities than people able to pay for them. For pretty much all of India's economic history, it has been the reverse - delivery was so poor that people were always chafing at the lack of efficient delivery, which shows up as 'anti incumbency'.


Is there risk with all this ? In Pakistan theres a phenomenon of energy surplus with not enough revenue to sustain the capacity.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Suraj » 03 Jun 2019 11:16

Pakistan’s problems are Pakistan’s self inflicted problems - circular debt trap with an external debt component .

Sure there’s a risk of NPAs due to underrecoveries, but in my opinion, enabling people living in subsistence conditions to move to lower middle class lifestyle rapidly will fix these problems quickly - something Modi is working hard towards.

Rural India is no longer comparable to sub Saharan Africa . It was until 5 years ago - more than half of rural India still lived in kachcha homes, took a sh*t in the field nearby, had no road or power, and collectively had a high microorganism load from consuming their own feces, stunting their growth and health. With the sanitation issue addressed, and water the next goal, data 15 years from now will probably show a massive spike in children’s weight/height data beginning with those born in the mid 2010s . It heralds a generation of rural India not condemned to grow up scrawny and desperately poor .

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby williams » 03 Jun 2019 11:33

Modi 1.0 govt GDP growth is purely based on Govt spending and FDI. Domestic private investment is completely messed up due to huge NPA issues, high-interest rates, and bad tax regimes. Now the govt hands were tied due to the huge mess created by UPA. So I guess the govt focused on cleaning up the past, keeping inflation low and Govt spending. Modi 2.0 will be better since most of the mess is cleaned up.

I am expecting Modi 2.0 GDP growth will be fueled by innovation and entrepreneurship at small and medium-sized enterprises. However, we still need lower interest rates and tax incentives for the private sector to grow. The agriculture sector has performed ok in spite of what the media says, but the agriculture sector cannot fuel any more GDP growth unless more investment is made on agricultural value addition. There again this higher interest rate will not cut it.

I am also expecting good education reforms focused on innovation and skill orientation. There is a horrible trend of pushing a lot of content with not enough time for kids to think and innovate.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby chetak » 03 Jun 2019 11:47

vimal wrote:Hindsight is always 20/20 and eminent intellectuals like him have it easy as they can swing any which way after results are declared. If raga had won then he would be spouting the wonders of ganga-jamuni tehzeeb and singing Raga rag.


if this guy is an eminent intellectual, then so is my German Shepherd. This guy is merely a hustler who can smell a rupee from miles away.

he is simply and practically rejigging his stance to cater to the changing environment for the next 5 years and he was not one of those who anticipated Modi's return, not by a long shot.

Most guys like him, the krantikari patrakars, have all taken this simple precaution of toning down their rhetoric so that they may be able to survive under the new dispensation, especially with AS looming large on the horizon and his all-pervading and unforgiving persona set to steamroller the pipsqueak presstitutes.

The days of the benign and affable Rajnath Singh are well and truly over and the family retainers are coming to grips with the new reality thrust so rudely upon them.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby vimal » 03 Jun 2019 12:42

^ I think I was saying the same thing without wasting a lot of words.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby Manu » 03 Jun 2019 13:00

Supratik wrote:PJ I believe some sections of SIkhs are not comfortable with Hindutva ideoolgy. Rest of India is a sweep.


In PJ, it is Hindus who vote for Congress.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby pankajs » 03 Jun 2019 15:24

Bhell ... The more time goes by the more Behenji starts to look like a RSS ajint.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby pankajs » 03 Jun 2019 15:29

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... k-5762358/
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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby A_Gupta » 03 Jun 2019 15:56

KLNMurthy wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:
Well, above cited article including this gem “...and Nehru, a civilized Enlightened Hindu..” makes the point about the prevailing narrative, which is that the great mass of Hindus are uncivilized. Who would want to associate with them? When Gandhi said, if we must separate, let us do so as brothers dividing an ancestral property, Jinnah wanted nothing to do with it, Muslims belonged to a different order of civilization. Per Nehru, Jinnah’s original falling out with Gandhi was when Gandhi threw open the doors of Congress membership to the unwashed, ill-clothed masses instead of only civilized, enlightened ones.


I understand the context. But we should ask ourselves two questions:

1. If we Hindus become perfect people + eliminate the slander with perfect PR, would Muslim discontent disappear, for all practical purposes?

2. What other culture, in what period of history has had to meet the standard of perfection in "1" as a precondition for the possibility of ceasing hostilities against it?

I think perhaps a wolf-and-the-lamb kind of pretext-making describes "Muslim aspirations."


Not that “Hindus must become perfect”. Never said that, never implied that. The narrative about Hindus has to be changed.

Look at it this way. The US Constitution has permitted slavery, segregation, extermination of American native peoples, suppression of women’s rights, first human use of WMD, and so on, but never meets the vituperation Hinduism does. Is it because of of some alleged perfection or is it because of the narrative that has been built up around it?

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby rohithome » 03 Jun 2019 17:38

williams wrote:I am also expecting good education reforms focused on innovation and skill orientation. There is a horrible trend of pushing a lot of content with not enough time for kids to think and innovate.


True. Education needs to be democratized.
Both central and state governments should stop prescribing who can learn what and when. For example : Create a national roster of languages and share information on rich literature and linguistic history of every indian language and career opportunities that can be leveraged. All languages can be truly fascinating to learn for anyone irrespective of where he/she is born.
As a side effect this will blow away all the language politics and prevent people from living in language ghettos and become vote banks for any political party.

Link learning of every small subject with a long term career option and break the silos of arts/commerce/science. This will kill all the coaching institute industry that poor can’t afford.

Let there be students who are expert linguists in vernacular languages and native literature and also be good computer programmers. Let there be students as biology majors with strong skills in statistics to analyze medical and population data.

Innovation and skill orientation is killed by schools , colleges and certification boards with strict degree and certificate requirements. We ( all over world, not just in india ) need a flexible approach driven by individual interests rather than institution’s requirements.

Lot of people must have heard how a chance attendance in calligraphy class inspired Steve Jobs to design the english language fonts used in desktop applications. No school or college board will be able to think of such possibilities.

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Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Postby chetak » 03 Jun 2019 18:10

rohithome wrote:
williams wrote:I am also expecting good education reforms focused on innovation and skill orientation. There is a horrible trend of pushing a lot of content with not enough time for kids to think and innovate.


True. Education needs to be democratized.
Both central and state governments should stop prescribing who can learn what and when. For example : Create a national roster of languages and share information on rich literature and linguistic history of every indian language and career opportunities that can be leveraged. All languages can be truly fascinating to learn for anyone irrespective of where he/she is born.
As a side effect this will blow away all the language politics and prevent people from living in language ghettos and become vote banks for any political party.

Link learning of every small subject with a long term career option and break the silos of arts/commerce/science. This will kill all the coaching institute industry that poor can’t afford.

Let there be students who are expert linguists in vernacular languages and native literature and also be good computer programmers. Let there be students as biology majors with strong skills in statistics to analyze medical and population data.

Innovation and skill orientation is killed by schools , colleges and certification boards with strict degree and certificate requirements. We ( all over world, not just in india ) need a flexible approach driven by individual interests rather than institution’s requirements.

Lot of people must have heard how a chance attendance in calligraphy class inspired Steve Jobs to design the english language fonts used in desktop applications. No school or college board will be able to think of such possibilities.


all this is later.

First of all, let education be truly democratized so that the unfair advantage afforded to the "minorities" is neutralized forthwith. They literally rule this field and the Hindus who form the bulk of the fees paying population have no say in how educational matters are run and are consequently treated like cattle.

let the minorities run their schools and let the Hindus run their schools, both on an equal footing with regards to access/no access to state funds.

this morally dishonest, and ethically deceitful segregation has/is been done very slyly and consciously and embedded into the constitution so that no truthful history of the Hindus is taught to the Hindus or can be taught to the Hindus in these deracinated schools or even in the schools run by the govt.

It is high time that this morally dishonest, and ethically deceitful mould is broken and the Hindus are allowed to educate their community truthfully and without any unprincipled colonial biases being enforced.

They should all know what happened to their ancestors and who played a huge part in their oppression that is being continued to this very day.

The fees that the Hindus pay in these deracinated minority run schools is very much akin to jizya.

This fraud is being done for the past several decades so that possibility of Hindu consolidation is curtailed, a phenomenon that is so abjectly feared by these once unscrupulous and exploitatively oppressive minorities whose dishonourable and rabid writ ran uncontrolled over a docile Hindu populace.

allow the minorities to keep whatever privileges that have so amorally managed to garner over the decades but at the same time, allow the Hindus the very same rights and privileges as these "minorities".

That should level the playing field, at the very least.


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