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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Sachin » 27 Oct 2019 09:07

Sena’s MLAs-elect seek BJP’s written promise
Perhaps some one can donate the stamp papers to Shiva sena for signing the deed? ;). Shiv Sena's blackmail seems to have started from Day 0. Looks like they will take down BJP's credibility also in the next 5 years.

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Postby Karthik S » 27 Oct 2019 09:21

As long as SS doesn't interfere with development projects across state and especially in Mumbai, I am fine with their bickering. Also, don't think they'll do anything beyond that. kaka is already very old, in another 5 years time he may not be in a position to fight elections, not sure if his progeny command same loyalty from their core voters, congress nothing much to be said.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby csaurabh » 27 Oct 2019 11:57

I am from IIST TVM

Hardly anyone pays attention to Umanities/Social science people. Lectures/seminars like that may be once in a year at most.
I would not read too much into it. Faculties are not at all from JNU ( except maybe Umanities type ).

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 27 Oct 2019 12:25

Why did Israel Depart from Secularism? Is There Any Lesson for India?



Why did Israel Depart from Secularism? Is There Any Lesson for India?

Both Hindus and Jews have gone through holocaust of unimaginable magnitude, both are victims of Islamic terrorism, both shared similar challenges of security threats- surrounded by hostile Islamic neighbours. But challenges for Hindus have gone far beyond this.

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Whenever any notion of a civilized system becomes the hostage of politically correct narratives, the system is bound to rebel in one way or the other. What happened on July 19th, 2019 in Israel is the living testimony of that fact. Israel on this day departed away from secular character of the State and declared herself as a Jewish State by introducing certain significant changes in her Constitution. This defining moment in the history of Israel brings joy and sense of self determination among people of Jewish community, however, it met with condemnations from left-leaning circles and Islamist lobbies, some even gone to the extent of calling it, “Apartheid”. But what sense does these condemnations really make, when they have willingly ignored to understand the challenges that Jewish community is facing every next day in the name of religious and racial hatred from Islamic Arab world and now in Europe as well. There is no denial in the fact that what all Jews have witnessed through the pages of history is a pain of unimaginable magnitude. However they still somehow managed to fight against all odds. Practically speaking their existential preferences have now been reduced into two options, either to take some concrete steps to protect their dignified survival or else go die unnoticed like Pagans / Parsis / Yezidis / Hindus of Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. Infact, the harsh reality is that in recent years migration of Jews from all across the globe (particularly from Europe) to Israel witnessed an unprecedented rise due to targeted attacks against them. Unlike Hindus, who are miserably ignorant about protecting their civilizational ethos and for sure will become more vulnerable in the upcoming days, Jews have fortunately smelled this existential threat much earlier than anyone else. The demand of revoking secular character of Israel is not some out of the blue phenomenon, the underlying spirit behind this quest is aptly reflected in the national policies of Israel, since after her establishment. Infact, call for making Israel a national homeland for Jews has already been answered, way before in 1948, when “Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel on 14 May 1948” incorporates this very objective as an essential condition for the establishment of modern Israel. The principle was given legal effect in the “Law of Return”, which was passed by the Knesset on 5 July 1950, that categorically declares,”Every Jew has the right to come to this country as an oleh (immigrant). This was further broadened in 1970 to include non-Jews with a Jewish grandparent, and their spouses. The new legislative move of bringing Nation State Law has only fortified that position further. So those who are reading this Nation State Law as some unprecedented move are in grave error of judgment. Israel is one among the few countries in the Middle-East that firmly upholds the torch of democratic principles in letter and spirit. But still the shameless way in which Israel was demonised by left leaning circles and Islamist lobbies for bringing new Nation State Bill is truly appalling. And comparing it with prepositions like “Apartheid” is a stupidity of beyond any imagination. What Israel did on July 19, 2019 is a milestone rebellion against established mainstream narrative of secularism which unfortunately has now become the political pamper-pad of left leaning circles and Islamist lobbies with no locus whatsoever. Those who are aware of the history of Israel they know it for sure that Israel has always been a hybrid between a democracy and a Jewish ethnic state. Her tussle as a nation to safeguard the interests of Jewsih community within the bounds of democratic setup has always remain a prime key concern. Moreover, her departure from secular character also holds a deep psychological and social backdrop behind it. So it would be unjust to reach any conclusion without looking into the factors that are responsible for this rebellious move.

Rising anti Semitism in Europe

The gravity of anti-semitism (attitude of hostility towards Jews based on their identity) in Europe could be understood from the statement of Natan Sharansky, former Chairman of the Executive of the Jewish Agency, who was incharge of monitoring immigration of Jews from Europe to Israel (from June 2009 to August 2018), that this century could be the last century for Jews in Europe. In the last 5 years there has been a 20% rise in cases of anti semitism. According to European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights (FRA), some 90 percent of European Jews believe anti-Semitism has grown stronger. A 2017 report by the University of Oslo Center for Research on Extremism tentatively suggests that “individuals of Muslim background stand out among perpetrators of anti semitic violence in Western Europe. France and Germany are the most affected regions in Europe where Jews have witnessed maximum cases of hate crimes and coincidentally they are the same places which accommodates the largest immigration of muslims. Now there can be many other stats that could further fortify this reality but here the issue is not simply about immigration of Jews because some scholars are relating it with some old Jewish prophecy, where jews were ordained to return to their holy land (Israel). The main point of contention here is, the kind of experience and memories European Jews are taking away with them while leaving to Israel, experiences of targeted attacks and humiliation, certainly going to impact the internal social and political scenario of Israel. And it would not be an exaggeration if, new Nation State Law is a reflection of culmination of those shared experiences.

A reactionary response to Trans-generational trauma

After Hindus, Jewish community is the second most affected community that has witnessed barbarism and butchery on an enormous scale in the name of religious and racial hatred which therefore bound to inculcate Trans-generational trauma among people of jewish community. In cases of Trans-generational Trauma, the traumatic event does not need to be individually experienced; the lasting effects can still remain and impact descendants from external factors like it can be a shared response to societal trauma. Now culminating effect of past experience of persecution and holocoust and the recent immigration of Jews from Europe in the wake of hate crimes will definitely resonate into an explosion of emotions and grief, beyond any shadow of doubt. This unresolved grief often times accompanies a reactionary response which can be passed from one generation to the next. And the most possible way in which we can see the reflection of its outcome in a democratic society is through unfoldings of political and social discourses in a given society, where people hardly missed a chance to assert their identity both socially and politically. So it will not be wrong to say that consciously or subconsciously psyche of Jewish community is not immuned from this traumatic effect. And reflection of this is evidently visible in the State policies of Israel ever since her establishment and the move of bringing new Nation State Law is nothing but a further add-up to the routine of this reflection.

Hatred of Islamists against Jew

The hatred of Islamists against Jews has quite a history. The Quran itself makes 43 specific references to “Bani Isrāʾīl” (meaning the Children of Israel). These references in the Quran are interpreted in different ways. Some scholars (like Frederick M. Schweitzer and Marvin Perry) read these references as “mostly negative” in construct, while others (like Tahir Abbas) dilute the construct of these references into sub-categorisations of General and Specific, where former incorporates favourable tones for addressing Jews while the latter contains harsh criticism. But that’s not end of story, during the time of Prophet Muhammad, three local Jewish tribes, namely the Banu Nadir, the Banu Qurayza, and the Banu Qaynuqa, who were in some sort of peace agreement with Prophet Muhammad were butchered and publicly humiliated. Although both sides give their justifications to interpret that massacre but it was happened during the tenure of Prophet Muhammad is an undeniable fact, therefore for a radical Isalmist it is like a cake walk to draw justifications to promote hatred against Jews based on that history. And even if we ignore that past for a moment the kind of hatred today muslims are busy in preaching against Jews can’t be ignored. The most glaring reference in this regard came into the picture when in May 2006 study of Saudi Arabia’s revised schoolbook curriculum discovered that the eighth grade books included the following statements:

“They (Jews) are the people of the Sabbath, whose young people God turned into apes, and whose old people God turned into swine to punish them. As cited in Ibn Abbas: The apes are Jews, the keepers of the Sabbath; while the swine are the Christian infidels of the communion of Jesus. ”

“Some of the people of the Sabbath were punished by being turned into apes and swine. Some of them were made to worship the devil, and not God, through consecration, sacrifice, prayer, appeals for help, and other types of worship. Some of the Jews worship the devil. Likewise, some members of this nation worship the devil, and not God.”

So now it takes no genius to understand the level of hatred that preaches against Jews in Islamic world, when cradle home of Islamic values itself openly caught poisoning the minds of small school going kids. Forget about the mentioning of Isalmic terrorist organisations like Hamas and Hezbollah who openly swear to annihilate Jews from the face of the earth.

Deteriorating status of communities who are globally less in number (Global minorities)

After witnessing the horrors committed against Yezidis and Kurds in recent conflict in Syria by Islamists the sense of alienation and concerns among communities who are globally less in number is bound to inculcate and Jewish community is no exception. This fear conscience certainly triggered a self-defense mechanism in the psyche of any such community to remain concerned about their dignified survival and security. Although there is no denial in the fact that geo political standing of Jewish community and its influence on western world is much stronger than any other minority community, but the pros and cons of this factor cannot be completely brushed aside. And this trigger phenomenon is nowadays common all across the globe, where in one way or the other communities who are globally in minority started reacting in self defense, though out of proportion in some cases but those calls are purely reactionary beyond any shadow of doubt. This could also be understood in the light of recent Rohingya conflict, where Buddhists of Myanmar reacted against the terror of Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army (ARSA), though way out of proportion, but to say that those attacks were dominated by that same fear conscience is not a wrong conclusion. So it would be suffice to say that this state of affairs has now crossed the line of phobia and become an actual perceivable threat, which is also reasonable to a certain extent.

Hostile Islamic neighbors, UN bias and victimhood drama of Palestine

Following the announcement of an independent Israel, five Arab Islamic nations—Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon—immediately attacked the region in what became known as the 1948 Arab-Israeli War but still somehow Israel able to emerged victorious by giving the taste of humiliating defeat to her Islamic neighbors. Since then animosity never actually ended neither the sense of threat on Israeli side. Moreover the way in which one sided resolutions in United Nations passed against Israel in recent years are way out of proportion and equally triggering the sentiments of Jewish people. In 2018, the U.N. General Assembly passed 21 resolutions condemning Israel, and a mere six for the rest of the world, according to U.N. Watch, a Geneva-based NGO that monitors the international body. Israel, a democracy, was condemned seven times more than the brutal North Korean dictatorship, which still runs gulags and was the subject of a mere 3 resolutions. Indeed, just on Nov. 15, 2018 the General Assembly adopted nine resolutions against Israel – all while ignoring human rights situations in China, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Cuba, Turkey and Pakistan, for example. The Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) documented in a Nov. 9, 2018 Jerusalem Post Op-Ed, the U.N. has created an “institutional infrastructure” for the sole purpose of attacking the Jewish state. Most infamously, on Nov. 10, 1975 the U.N. General Assembly passed Resolution 3379, which equated Zionism – the belief in Jewish self-determination – with racism. Although the resolution was, with considerable U.S. effort, repealed in 1991, the international body had also voted to create the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People (CEIRPP), which works feverishly to delegitimize Israel. Moreover, miseries of this biasness does not end there, on Dec. 6, 2018 the United Nations General Assembly failed to pass a resolution condemning Hamas, the U.S.-designated terrorist group that rules the Gaza Strip. Hamas’s charter approvingly cites Adolf Hitler and calls for Israel’s destruction and the genocide of Jews.

Is there any lesson for India?

Like Jews, Hindus (who are the major repositories of Indian civilization) also stands globally in minority and shares the same concern as far as existential challenges to their civilization are concerned. Both communities have gone through holocoust of unimaginable magnitude, both are victims of Islamic terrorism, both shared similar challenges of security threats- surrounded by hostile Islamic neighbours. But challenges for Hindus have gone far beyond this. Unlike Jews, who have very strong grip in western academia and politics, Hindus have faced blatant academic and political misrepresentation in terms of of their cultural and religious values on global platforms. Apart from this, due to hostile foreign invasions and one sided domination of left-leaning lobbies in writing Indian History their value system has been successfully demonised to the extent that now even initiating a discourse about protecting those civilizational values will brand any concerned individual with tag of certain ideological inclinations in no time. This could also be understood in the light of the fact that ever since the advent of Islamic invaders in India around 200 million Hindus lost their lives and yet Hindus are struggling in establishing a global narrative (like anti-semitism) which could possibly tell the world that it was not only Jews who had gone through butchery and barbarism in the name of religion but Hindus had also witnessed persecution of far more larger magnitude than any ther currently existing religious community in the world. Moreover Hindus were not only robbed with their lives but their economic and literature wealth was also plundered beyond any imagination. So the challenges which Hindus are facing from civilization point of view is far more serious and alarming, infact a crudely honest analysis on this count suggests that India has already been late in rebelling against this bogus doctrine of secularism because the very basis on which it uploads its sancity is flawed, especially when it comes to face hostile competing ideologies (Islam and Christianity) who have well documented history of dividing the whole humanity into the camps of believers and nonbelievers. Moreover, our locus to challenge this established mainstream narrative of secularism is much stronger than Israel because first, Indian civilization has no past history of invading lands and unleashing terror on other communities in the name of religion. Second, we have much more comprehensive doctrines in our value system (like Vasudhev Kutumbakam) than some borrowed western concept of secularism, borne out of Church-State conflict. Third, the way in which term secularism inserted in our constitution is flawed both in terms of legal and historical construct. Fourth, the moral compulsion of upholding the torch of this borrowed western concept doesn’t hold much weightage on us because before 1976 it doesn’t even exist in the Constitution of India but yet we were surviving with the same compassion and love for humanity.

A beginning of a new challenge, conclusion still lies ahead

As mentioned earlier, Israel has always been a hybrid between a democracy and a Jewish ethnic state. And her undying quest for protecting the interest of Jews and their civilizational values within a democratic setup has a long backup of precedents. By bringing this new Nation State Law Israel has dared to set up a new precedent of an ethnic State that questions the well established narrative of secularism but at the same time stood firm to uphold the liberal democratic values of a civilized system. This new journey of Israel as fulfleged Jewish ethnic State however also brings serious challenges to Israeli polity in terms of ensuring dignified and discrimination free survival to non jewish communities in Israel. Because the moment Israel fails to ensure safeguards to them, she too falls in the same category of her Islamic neighbours who are being accused of becoming dictatorial regimes that muzzle down democratic voices and freedom. Moreover, the internal politics of Israel is also not in good shape the Nation-State Law passed in the Knesset by a vote of 62 to 55 in 120-seated Parliament which has therefore contrasted upon the deep polarization in Israeli politics and society within over the future forecast of the direction in which the country is heading towards. So, indeed it would be an endurance test for Israeli polity to put things in correct perspective and prove that it is possible for them to remain both a “Jewish state” that protects and celebrates Jewish identity, and a liberal democracy that protects the rights of all minorities, including non-Jews also. So in a nutshell the conclusion is still lies ahead, only time will tell the fate of this rebellious move. But if Israel will be able to succeed in achieving those objectives then it will become a rebellious milestone in the political history of the world, which not only destroys the binary sceptics of majority communities but also provide a solution for all those communities who are globally less in number to think on their own instead of buying ideas from some politically correct lobbies to proclaim them civilized.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 27 Oct 2019 17:04

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 27 Oct 2019 21:55

really cold vibes.


Very interesting: no smile from the EAM, who is almost always smiling in photos. The conversation was ‘open and candid’ - diplospeak for throwing things - on ‘outstanding issues’, which is nothing positive. India clearly showing that it’s going to walk the talk here.



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Had an open and candid conversation with my Malaysian counterpart @saifuddinabd on outstanding issues.



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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Gyan » 27 Oct 2019 22:57

When will we end our honey moon with duplicitous Chinese?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Kakkaji » 28 Oct 2019 00:42

Gyan wrote:When will we end our honey moon with duplicitous Chinese?


When we become powerful enough, to the point where the Chinese worry more about a conflict on the border than we do.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby UlanBatori » 28 Oct 2019 02:04

When Indian products beat Chinese on both quality and price.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Karan M » 28 Oct 2019 02:16

We have beaten them on quality often, but price is hard if they keep dumping and the width and scale of their industry is staggering, as the west pretty much outsourced all their industry to China.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Karan M » 28 Oct 2019 03:02

The Congress has been completely captured by the deracinated Hinduphobic left. Nothing else explains this batshit behavior from a political party.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 28 Oct 2019 03:29

Sad thing is there are still dumb Fing idiots who vote for this human garbage

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 28 Oct 2019 08:27

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/why-cm ... st-haryana
Why CM Khattar Almost Lost Haryana

In the general elections in May, the BJP took leads in 79 out of 90 Assembly segments in the state. Going into Assembly polls, CM Khattar and his party were so overconfident that they thought their win was certain and the only thing that needed to be decided was whether they will win 60 seats or 75-plus.

In such a scenario, getting 40 is certainly a big jolt and at one point, during counting, trends showed both the BJP and the Congress at 35 each. In fact, Congress lost five seats with a margin of less than 2,550 votes and four of these seats with less than 1,500 votes. If the Congress had won in these areas, it would be at the 36 mark, while BJP at 35.


To blame it on silent Jat consolidation is lazy. There was no special mobilisation against BJP this time. The Jat voter has shown the same disdain he showed to the BJP last time.


Jatland roughly comprises of Assembly segments in Sirsa parliamentary seat on Punjab border to Sonipat and Rohtak on Delhi border through Bhiwani and Hisar seats. This region has 40 Assembly seats. In 2014, both the BJP and Congress took 11 seats each. INLD had won 14.

This time, BJP has won the same number of seats: 11. It lost some seats but gained elsewhere. Overall, it evened out. Congress has increased its tally by four, taking it to 15. INLD got reduced to 1. JJP, which split from INLD, won nine seats. So essentially, Congress benefited from the INLD-JJP split in the Jatland.


In South Haryana, BJP gained one seat. Out of 23 total seats, it won 15 this time compared to Congress’ 6 which also increased its tally by 2 seats. The big loser was INLD which won four seats in 2014 but neither INLD nor JJP could open an account here this time.


Let’s now come to the GT road belt where BJP won in a landslide in 2014, winning 22 out of 27 seats. This area is one of the most prosperous in Haryana because major cities such as Karnal, Kurukshetra, Panipat, Ambala, Panchkula and Yamunanagar come under this belt.

Except in Panipat district, the Jat factor is almost negligible here.

This is where the BJP has stumbled big time. It could win only 14 seats, 8 less than what it won in the previous electio
n. Congress gained at the cost of BJP, increasing its tally from 1 to 9.


The above is a region-wise analysis. But the loss in GT road belt could’ve been compensated by right candidate selection and winning some seats elsewhere. The party gave complete control to CM Khattar in this area but he seems to have bungled it up.


Many BJP supporters (both online and offline) started treating CM Khattar as the Modi of Haryana. The short-lived success of anti-Jat politics was seen as an achievement and approval of his policies.

The triumph of PM Modi in Haryana was viewed as also an endorsement of CM Khattar’s personality.

It is the result of such miscalculation that he ended up doing 77 rallies across the state — covering almost every constituency. Before the candidates were announced, he went on a 22-day Jan Ashirwad Yatra canvassing for himself throughout the state.

This branding around CM Khattar proved to be a bad strategy. As the results proved, he is no Modi.

There are many important lessons he and the BJP will need to learn from this as they kickstart their second term. Alliance with Chautalas means that it will have to throw its Jat versus non-Jat strategy into the dustbin. The biggest challenge for it now is how to keep its non-Jat vote bank happy — especially Brahmins, Banias and Yadavs.

The BJP hasn’t done well in reserved constituencies too. Out of 17 SC seats, it won only five, four less than last time. The BJP can’t afford to upset both Jats and Dalits. These combined with Muslims comprise 50 per cent of the electorate.

The party will have to go back to the drawing board and reorient its caste strategy in Haryana.

The first step is learning the right lessons from the setback. Jats and Jatland have nothing to do with this. The party and state leadership must take all the blame for bad politics, below par performance of the government and banking on dubious strategies.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby abhik » 28 Oct 2019 09:47

Gyan wrote:When will we end our honey moon with duplicitous Chinese?

Kakkaji wrote:When we become powerful enough, to the point where the Chinese worry more about a conflict on the border than we do.

UlanBatori wrote:When Indian products beat Chinese on both quality and price.

Let me try - When we grow a pair?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Santosh » 28 Oct 2019 10:37

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I second it @AmitShah ji

Enough of @shivsena blackmailing

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BJP should call @ShivSena’s bluff, refuse rotational CM demand, form minority govt without Sena, lose confidence motion if Sena votes with opposition, let governor’s rule be imposed for 6 mths, fight midterm election on all 288 seats & form a majority govt. Make. A. Clean. Break.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Sachin » 28 Oct 2019 11:40

Politics Live | BJP, Shiv Sena leaders to separately meet Maharashtra Governor
Looks the "communals v/s communals" fight is getting ugly. The "secular" main stream media is in a happy mood. Every one thought Haryana was a tougher challenge, but that was not the case. MH seems to be the trouble spot now.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Gyan » 28 Oct 2019 11:51

UlanBatori wrote:When Indian products beat Chinese on both quality and price.


Chinese Industry is all State protected, gets free capital, cheap electricity & subsidised logistics plus back stop from domestic market. No one can beat them without imposing minimum customs duty of 40% to 80%

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 28 Oct 2019 12:09

Karan M wrote:The Congress has been completely captured by the deracinated Hinduphobic left. Nothing else explains this batshit behavior from a political party.


Why exactly are we surprised.

If we remember that the congress was a party started by foreigners to control, direct and channelize the natives in directions favorable to the britshits, artfully present objectives to further and reinforce the colonial britshit rule and inculcate through subversive education, an active hatred towards all things Indian, and revere all things foreign as eminently desirable.

The tools that were so effectively used then and are being used actively even today are common and they are leftist propaganda impregnated deeply in the educational system and FFNGOs to propagate the anti native counter narrative agenda exemplified by the proselytizing church.

Among the prominent native coconuts that were coopted early were people like MKG, JLN and the islamic elite that pined for a return of their hegemonistic feudal rule, seen as their inalienable birthright claimed by the power of their alleged writ that ran unchallenged and uninterrupted for centuries, as they deludedly claimed.

The islamic elites fully expected the britshits to install them on the gaddi before the britshits departed.

The fascination with white skin as personified by a transplanted eyetalian family ruling over the natives, a family that partially descended from european fascists and the followers of hitler, a rag tag family that sets no store in intellectual accomplishment has successfully done what even the most powerful queen of the imperial britshit empire could not do post WWII, that is to rule over India.

And cunningly, they have managed to camouflage their european origins and lay claim to political power by now parading their Indian connections and have entrenched themselves by spawning a huge army of native supporters by the tried and tested ancient methods employed and indeed refined by the mughals and perfected by the britshits, ie honors and jagirdars.

Exactly like the britshit queen announces birthday honors (KBE, CBE etc) and creates life peerages our equivalents would be the padma awards etc and membership of the RS and lucrative directorships of various companies.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 28 Oct 2019 12:23

Sachin wrote:Politics Live | BJP, Shiv Sena leaders to separately meet Maharashtra Governor
Looks the "communals v/s communals" fight is getting ugly. The "secular" main stream media is in a happy mood. Every one thought Haryana was a tougher challenge, but that was not the case. MH seems to be the trouble spot now.



This is probably to head off presidents rule just in case the BJP faces a confidence vote and fails to prove the majority.

The SS is doing this because they want to be called next to prove their majority.

the fine hand of supporters of the cross border mafia seems to be at play. The SS simply does not have the testimonials to take the lead and also strike up such an alliance without losing heavily in terms of pawer sharing.

If the congis come in, they risk losing their sickular votes and that will allow many muslim parties to open their accounts and also ensure the fragmentation of the sickular congi vote banks.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby abhijitm » 28 Oct 2019 14:14

chetak wrote:This is probably to head off presidents rule just in case the BJP faces a confidence vote and fails to prove the majority.

There won't be presidential rule. NCP and Cong will support SS to form the government. UT is so much determined to make his son CM he will take that support.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Sachin » 28 Oct 2019 14:33

abhijitm wrote:There won't be presidential rule. NCP and Cong will support SS to form the government. UT is so much determined to make his son CM he will take that support.

The BJP should then bite the bullet. Allow the making of a Kumara Swamy out of Jr. Udhav. The advantage would be that Shiv Sena would also completely lose out on its pro-Hindutwa image and it would be tough for them to regain that. Shiv Sena will lose credibility and it would even peter out in MH itself. There would be a sizeable cadre in Shiv Sena who can easily adopt to the BJP ideology. Allow Udhav Thackeray to achieve his highest goal (his son as CM) for once; then allow him to sink his party completely :D.

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Postby chetak » 28 Oct 2019 15:52

Sachin wrote:
abhijitm wrote:There won't be presidential rule. NCP and Cong will support SS to form the government. UT is so much determined to make his son CM he will take that support.

The BJP should then bite the bullet. Allow the making of a Kumara Swamy out of Jr. Udhav. The advantage would be that Shiv Sena would also completely lose out on its pro-Hindutwa image and it would be tough for them to regain that. Shiv Sena will lose credibility and it would even peter out in MH itself. There would be a sizeable cadre in Shiv Sena who can easily adopt to the BJP ideology. Allow Udhav Thackeray to achieve his highest goal (his son as CM) for once; then allow him to sink his party completely :D.


this is a subterfuge for UT to rule.

He will be the pawar hungry remote control

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Postby syam » 28 Oct 2019 16:14

In next 5 years, things might change drastically. Shivsena might survive it and also thakarey III will get 5 years cm experience. Really want to see how that will turn out.

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Postby chetak » 28 Oct 2019 16:24

in the meanwhile pappu is droning on


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Postby UlanBatori » 28 Oct 2019 17:43

Gyan wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:When Indian products beat Chinese on both quality and price.


Chinese Industry is all State protected, gets free capital, cheap electricity & subsidised logistics plus back stop from domestic market. No one can beat them without imposing minimum customs duty of 40% to 80%

Hain ji, clearly u have not dealt with State Baink of India (US branches) recently. I thought Sehwag was spot-on with
Lunch Ke baad aana
But I was horribly wrong. The correct command should have been
Please give phone numbaar and I will contact you Later In The Day
Except... not WHICH day. That does not take State subsidy (they have it). It takes a swift kick in the u no where. And that is the fundamental underlying problem with Indian Quality. Where the kick is likely, quality is excellent. In China they simply use Gobi Le-Education Centel or filing squad.

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Postby Karthik S » 28 Oct 2019 17:51

Anshika Shukla @anshikashukla_1h
Not a word on the Aligarh 2.5 yr old baby murder and mutilation case.
But lot of concern here. Why such selective sensitivities and sympathies?!
Don't the lives of some children matter at all?!
Are some more precious because of political necessities?!
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Swati Goel Sharma @swati_gs· Jul 29
After this tweet, I have received calls from several people close to the ruling party, requesting me for details and promising help. Will update you all when this family gets some compensation. They need it badly.

To all those who reached out to me, I am glad you took note of it
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Sir @mlkhattar, she is Kiranbala, widow of Inderpal, a farmer who was killed by cattle thieves in Hisar a year ago. The poor family told me they got nothing in compensation.

Sir u gave 5 lakh to Rakbar Khan who was a chargesheeted cattle thief. Why nothing for this poor family?
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Postby CRamS » 28 Oct 2019 19:41

On BJP-SS spat, its now very clear the SS louts are determined to play spoiler. I hope BJP comes out as the principled party and does not give in. I know power is the ultimate aphrodisiac to quote of all people, Henry Kissinger, but in the long run, BJP liberating itself from these SS thugs will be a good thing and will win people's confidence IMO.

I am wondering if BJP can form govt even by letting SS go. Because BJP has 105, SS has 56, and Pappu & Co have 54. That means there are still 73 independents for the taking. And BJP needs only 39 of those 73 to get to the magic # of 144. Not possible?

I would love to see a Pappu and SS govt. Will demonstrate to the entire country what a bunch of disgusting, dynastic, opportunistic, anti-national clowns these 2 parties are who profess opposite ideologies, but come together just for the lust of power to keep BJP out.

And I wonder what elite Muslims would think of such an alliance? Will they forgive Pappu? Or will they look at it as the necessity of sleeping with the devil (SS) in the hope that in the long run, they can defeat both devil and the greater 'evil' (BJP)? So they will wink, wink, nod, nod just like they did when Pappu was on his temple hopping yatra during Gujarat elections and declared himself thread-wearing Brahmin Hindu?

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Postby KJo » 28 Oct 2019 20:40

syam wrote:In next 5 years, things might change drastically. Shivsena might survive it and also thakarey III will get 5 years cm experience. Really want to see how that will turn out.


I think it was a mistake to go into an alliance without working out who gets what if you win. Now it's back to fighting and UT making taunts about the economy. I now feel maybe BJP should have gone into the elections alone like last time and then looked for partners based on the result. In hindsight tying up with SS seems like a bad idea.

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Postby KJo » 28 Oct 2019 20:47

CRamS wrote:On BJP-SS spat, its now very clear the SS louts are determined to play spoiler. I hope BJP comes out as the principled party and does not give in. I know power is the ultimate aphrodisiac to quote of all people, Henry Kissinger, but in the long run, BJP liberating itself from these SS thugs will be a good thing and will win people's confidence IMO.

I am wondering if BJP can form govt even by letting SS go. Because BJP has 105, SS has 56, and Pappu & Co have 54. That means there are still 73 independents for the taking. And BJP needs only 39 of those 73 to get to the magic # of 144. Not possible?

I would love to see a Pappu and SS govt. Will demonstrate to the entire country what a bunch of disgusting, dynastic, opportunistic, anti-national clowns these 2 parties are who profess opposite ideologies, but come together just for the lust of power to keep BJP out.

And I wonder what elite Muslims would think of such an alliance? Will they forgive Pappu? Or will they look at it as the necessity of sleeping with the devil (SS) in the hope that in the long run, they can defeat both devil and the greater 'evil' (BJP)? So they will wink, wink, nod, nod just like they did when Pappu was on his temple hopping yatra during Gujarat elections and declared himself thread-wearing Brahmin Hindu?


Yes, I think BJP should be the principled party and not descend to Congress levels to cling to power. If they cannot cobble up a majority without compromising, they should let Cong + NCP run the state for some time.

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Postby syam » 28 Oct 2019 21:28

KJo wrote:I think it was a mistake to go into an alliance without working out who gets what if you win. Now it's back to fighting and UT making taunts about the economy. I now feel maybe BJP should have gone into the elections alone like last time and then looked for partners based on the result. In hindsight tying up with SS seems like a bad idea.

In last elections, shivsena leaders targeted modiji. shiv sainiks on ground pissed off with that. they had to tone down it. Unlike ncp and congis, ss can't survive without the cadres. it will be certain suicide for them if they ditch bjp and join congress. remember raj thakarey. I almost forgot him. on other hand, thakarey family is desperate to sit on some big chair. since bala saheb death, they never got the oppertunity. if they don't bargain for it, they will definitely lose relevance.

best bet for them is, letting bjp groom thakarey III. i don't think even that will save the party. that dude has no rw bone in him. every rw leader goes through certain phase in life that will define his whole person. these newbies don't want any bad stuff happen to them.

this is new trend in indian politics. death of regional parties. jds , tdp already done parties. ss ,and tmc in the queue now. future going to be bjp vs anti-bjp.

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Postby kit » 28 Oct 2019 21:37

Gyan wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:When Indian products beat Chinese on both quality and price.


Chinese Industry is all State protected, gets free capital, cheap electricity & subsidised logistics plus back stop from domestic market. No one can beat them without imposing minimum customs duty of 40% to 80%


Nothing can be free for long. Its not a viable long term economic model. , is it?

By extension how long can China subsidize an economic growth on the back of supported enterprises and how can they be a part of FTAs if they continue to do so?

Western capitalism had benefitted from exporting their entire manufacturing to China., and "capitalism" itself is on the way to oblivion the way it was. Markets are not free any more there must be a cost to access it and here is where India should play it right. Does being a part of FTA beneficial or not, some hard checks need to be done., and done right.

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Postby Vikas » 28 Oct 2019 22:50

Both SS and Cong+NCP are desperate to be in power, SS wants CMship for Junior while Congress++ wants source of money.
I don't think that all these players would think even for a moment before joining hands if it was feasible.
Do you think Congress really thinks about future and Muslim vote bank or Islamists would really care if they get freebees.
Its a cat and mouse game and one of the Non-BJP party may split. After all anything is possible in Mumbai.

I don't think BJP would want to go in for another election in next 6 months. Elections by nature are uncertain and unleash forces which can not be controlled. Lot of pundits including moi were expecting land slide (220+) for NDA but nooooo, it wasn't going to be. We discounted Kaka factor.
I think BJP+SS will form the govt and SS will go back to being a nagging wife and a bickering partner.

PS: It would be silly to let Congress anywhere near the power in Mah.

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Postby hanumadu » 29 Oct 2019 04:46

I don't get this 50/50 partnership. Wasn't it always the party with the highest seats gets the CM ship? If they were so keen on 50/50, why did SS agree to contest of far fewer seats than BJP? Right there they admitted they are the junior partner. They are just bargaining for some meaty ministries and will probably settle for one or two key ministries.

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Postby Peregrine » 29 Oct 2019 17:36

45 Sena MLAs want to be part of Maha govt with BJP: Sanjay Kakade

MUMBAI: BJP MP Sanjay Kakade on Tuesday claimed that around 45 newly elected Shiv Sena MLAs inMaharashtra are keen on government formation by joining hands with the BJP.

The Rajya Sabha member made the claim while speaking to a television channel, amid the ongoing tussle between the ruling allies over forming the next state government.

The BJP and the Sena, which won 105 and 56 seats, respectively, in the just concluded state Assembly polls, are locked in a bitter battle over sharing of power.

"Out of 56, there are 45 MLAs who have expressed their interest in government formation along with the BJP. They are calling and asking us to induct them into the government," Kakade told the TV channel.

He added that the Sena MLAs have been saying "do whatever, but we want to be part of the government with BJP".

However, when contacted, Kakade told PTI that the 45 MLAs were of the opinion that the BJP and Sena should join hands for government formation.

As the BJP's tally went down in the October 21 state Assembly elections, compared to its 2014 performance, the Sena has been raising a pitch for "equal sharing" of power.

Sena chief Uddhav Thackeray last week reminded the BJP of the 50:50 formula "agreed upon" between himself, BJP presidentAmit Shah and Fadnavis ahead of the 2019 Lok Sabha polls.

On Saturday, the Sena demanded a written assurance from the BJP for implementing "equal formula for sharing of power" before holding talks on staking the claim to form the next alliance government in the state.

In the recent polls to 288-member Assembly, the BJP won 105 seats, a loss of 17 seats compared to its 2014 tally.

The Sena's tally also came down to 56 seats from 63 in 2014. A resurgent NCP won 54 and the Congress bagged 44 seats.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ramana » 30 Oct 2019 03:37

hanumadu wrote:I don't get this 50/50 partnership. Wasn't it always the party with the highest seats gets the CM ship? If they were so keen on 50/50, why did SS agree to contest of far fewer seats than BJP? Right there they admitted they are the junior partner. They are just bargaining for some meaty ministries and will probably settle for one or two key ministries.



If I were advising Amit Shah, which I am in no position to advice, I would suggest breaking up Shiv Sena and carry out multiple raids for the criminal offenses and for intimidating Bihari migrant workers.
Bihar elections will be coming up soon.

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Postby Karthik S » 30 Oct 2019 07:46

ramana wrote:
hanumadu wrote:I don't get this 50/50 partnership. Wasn't it always the party with the highest seats gets the CM ship? If they were so keen on 50/50, why did SS agree to contest of far fewer seats than BJP? Right there they admitted they are the junior partner. They are just bargaining for some meaty ministries and will probably settle for one or two key ministries.



If I were advising Amit Shah, which I am in no position to advice, I would suggest breaking up Shiv Sena and carry out multiple raids for the criminal offenses and for intimidating Bihari migrant workers.
Bihar elections will be coming up soon.


SS has a core voter base, wouldn't BJP be alienating that segment rather permanently if it took such an action?


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