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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Vidur » 06 Nov 2019 17:48

Vikas wrote:How on earth can cops get beaten up mercilessly by Lawyers or for that matter anyone ? Only in India, cops are beaten black and blue by anyone.
What happened to macho, rude, flippant and aggressive policeman of Delhi ?


It depends on relative strength of organization and will to fight. Lawyers have organized and beaten up police across the country many times. Police beat up helpless citizens. If helpless citizens organize and fight back with vigour, police may back off. During communal riots (and other situations) usually one community gets away with murder because they organize and are willing to fight. Police gives them an easy ride.

Our police forces have decayed and are not fit for purpose. IPS and political interference has destroyed the police. Time for a radical revamp.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 06 Nov 2019 21:48

I wonder why is the Shivsena, which claimed the support of 170+ mla, not forming the gobermint?

https://twitter.com/ETNOWlive/status/11 ... 2584197121
ET NOW @ETNOWlive

@NCPspeaks chief @PawarSpeaks confirms that the party is going to sit in the opposition. Says, #BJP and #ShivSena have got the mandate of people, so they should form Govt as soon as possible. Our mandate is to play the role of Opposition. #Maharashtra

It also seems like the SS can form the gobermint on its own :shock:
https://twitter.com/vivek_purohit/statu ... 1926022145
aham bramhasamiiiii @vivek_purohit

@ShivSena and @rautsanjay61 56 sena mla 93 bmc corporator =149 + 21 independent =170 aur loksabha mp aur rajya sabha jode to 2/3 majority ..

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby darshhan » 06 Nov 2019 23:13

hanumadu wrote:Why would Pawar and Congress not support ShivSena? They are under attack by BJP and their leaders are all looking at jail time, especially the very top brass of congress. By breaking SS away from BJP, more than Maharashtra, they would be taking away a big chunk of the Lok Sabha seats in 2024.


'Cause Amit shah is the home minister and Pawar kaka has too much dirt on him.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ramana » 07 Nov 2019 07:28

Vidur wrote:
Vikas wrote:How on earth can cops get beaten up mercilessly by Lawyers or for that matter anyone ? Only in India, cops are beaten black and blue by anyone.
What happened to macho, rude, flippant and aggressive policeman of Delhi ?


It depends on relative strength of organization and will to fight. Lawyers have organized and beaten up police across the country many times. Police beat up helpless citizens. If helpless citizens organize and fight back with vigour, police may back off. During communal riots (and other situations) usually one community gets away with murder because they organize and are willing to fight. Police gives them an easy ride.

Our police forces have decayed and are not fit for purpose. IPS and political interference has destroyed the police. Time for a radical revamp.


What do you suggest?
I am thinking once an officer gets to DIG level he becomes Central cadre and free of State cadre affiliation.

I don't know for sure but am thinking its brigadier equivalent rank?
Whats the IAS equivalent rank to that?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby habal » 07 Nov 2019 08:03

central cadre equivalent

DIG -> Dep Secretary
IG -> Jt Secretary
Adgp -> Addt Secretary
dgp -> Sec

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby tandav » 07 Nov 2019 08:49

IAS should be done away with... elected leaders should hire their own managers when they are voted to power. Those aspiring to Civil Serices should be professionals with atleast 10 years of background in that field. Lets us study how the Chinese/Americans/Europeans/Japanese train and manage their bureacracy? Our critical issue seems to be a lack of good primary education.

this is a 2009 report
https://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-40062020090603

Manish_Sharma wrote:https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-news/modi-attempts-long-awaited-overhaul-in-bureaucracy/story-EWO2IHX6wTSpUNpIfDx6NL_amp.html?__twitter_impression=true


PM Modi attempts long-awaited overhaul in bureaucracyThe Modi government’s decision to hold a common foundation course for all Group A services including the Indian Administrative Service (IAS) from 2020-2021 is the first step in breaking these silos and elite clubs that function within the Indian bureaucracy.



Updated: Nov 05, 2019 10:38:32

By Shishir Gupta

Prime Minister Narendra Modi told top bureaucrats that they had spoiled his first five- year tenure but that he would not allow them to spoil the second. (REUTERS)

At the conclusion of an unsatisfactory meeting to review the government’s “Ek Bharat, Sheshtra Bharat” programme on October 12, Prime Minister Narendra Modi told the top bureaucrats present at the meeting that they had spoiled his first five- year tenure but that he would not allow them to spoil the second. “Apne mere paanch saal barbad kiye hai, main apko agle paanch saal barbad nahin karne doonga,” he said, according to people present in the meeting, holding the bureaucracy responsible for delays in programme implementation.

Since its conception by then home minister Sardar Patel, the Indian bureaucracy has largely moved from a national to a self-serving agenda in which the focus is on processes, not outcomes. There is no penalty for acts of omission, although acts of commission are often questioned with a significant number of officers under the scanner for corruption and malfeasance. The once steel frame of Indian governance architecture has rotted with each service operating within its own silo and ready to go to war within the government to protect its own haloed turf.

The Modi government’s decision to hold a common foundation course for all Group A services including the Indian Administrative Service (IAS) from 2020-2021 is the first step in breaking these silos and elite clubs that function within the Indian bureaucracy. That the twice-born IAS will have to rub shoulders with lesser mortals at the foundation stage and work towards a common purpose may change the game after all.

By holding the 94th Foundation Course for 744 candidates to be appointed in IAS and other Group A services from August 26 to December 6, 2019, the government has made the right beginning with a six-day module at the feet of the Sardar Patel statue at Kevadia village in Gujarat. It was at this module that PM Modi exhorted trainee bureaucrats to double their outcomes so that India becomes a $5 trillion economy by 2022.

Rather than trod the well beaten path of injecting the officers with oft-repeated and boring lectures on administrative governance, the 94th Foundation Course’s trainees were exposed to the future of technology and exponential thinking. With the help of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the US-based Singularity University, the Institute of Future and LBS National Academy of Administration, the officer trainees were made aware of several issues and trends and their possible impact on the Civil Services: artificial intelligence, Big Data, the future of manufacturing and logistics, and other such. At the six-day Kevadia module, the trainees were addressed by experts including David Malpaas, president, World Bank; Sir Suma Chakraborti, president, European Bank for Reconstruction and Development; and Juergen Voegele, global director of Climate Change at the World Bank.

Using the Statue of Unity in the backdrop to instil national pride, the trainee officers were also reminded by PM Modi that, with the installation of the new steel frame of Indian bureaucracy, the time for accountability has also come. This is evident in the fact that Group A services officers, including from the IAS, have been compulsorily retired or repatriated back to their parent cadres on grounds of non-performance. The only service still to take action against non-performers is the Indian Foreign Service, which comes under the ministry of external affairs.

When PM Modi took over reins of power in 2014, a number of his advisers told him that his biggest challenge would come from resident permanent opposition, the Indian Civil Services, which view governments as a passing phase of five years while they stay in power for 35 years. It his clear from his recent actions that Modi, who seemed to have bushed aside the advice then, is trying to change things in his own way.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sooraj » 07 Nov 2019 09:50

Income Tax Department conducts raids on two dozen entities across Maharashtra

The raids started in morning and included offices and residences of BMC contractors like Railcon, RPS and Skyway.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Vikas » 07 Nov 2019 10:15

darshhan wrote:
hanumadu wrote:Why would Pawar and Congress not support ShivSena? They are under attack by BJP and their leaders are all looking at jail time, especially the very top brass of congress. By breaking SS away from BJP, more than Maharashtra, they would be taking away a big chunk of the Lok Sabha seats in 2024.


'Cause Amit shah is the home minister and Pawar kaka has too much dirt on him.


By that logic, Even UT should have been groveling with BJP to form govt. Everyone in this pool is covered with slime, isn't it.
Maybe Pawar really doesn't want to do anything with SS or maybe it is a precursor to NCP joining forces with BJP as there is no future for Congress in the Maha.
Who knows the game Pawar and AS play.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

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Postby abhijitm » 07 Nov 2019 23:34

sooraj wrote:Income Tax Department conducts raids on two dozen entities across Maharashtra

The raids started in morning and included offices and residences of BMC contractors like Railcon, RPS and Skyway.

SS has hands in glove with many BMC contractors.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rsatchi » 08 Nov 2019 01:40

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 961007.cms
How the heck did this happen??
If I ask for OCI I am asked to prove the ID of Grand-dad and grand-mammy!!!
How the %$£** did this half-pissfuls acquire OCI card!!! :eek: :eek:
Who gave the clearance. :roll:
Now revoking would appear as 'revenge politics' as the opposition n his mammy would likely to claim
She will go to town with this and get her LOOTY-N Liberandus media to holler :((
In the same vein a pooch: what is Sania Mirza's son's nationality???
Should we ask or it is too sensitive to ask??? any opinion as to what the nationality law says on this? :roll:
Does Indian nationality accorded by birth or are there any restrictions!!!
Any legal-eagle on the forum??

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby nachiket » 08 Nov 2019 05:17

hanumadu wrote:Why would Pawar and Congress not support ShivSena? They are under attack by BJP and their leaders are all looking at jail time, especially the very top brass of congress. By breaking SS away from BJP, more than Maharashtra, they would be taking away a big chunk of the Lok Sabha seats in 2024.

If Cong joins hands with SS, the timing might be a little troublesome for them. Just last year, Sanjay Raut (yes the same motormouth) had made the claim that it was Shiv Sainiks who demolished the babri masjid! And went on to demand that the Modi government should enact a law to build the Ram temple there. Would be funny if the congis decide to get into bed with them just as the Ram Janmabhoomi verdict is coming out. The verbal gymnastics that the congi media shills would have to employ to turn the Shiv Sena into a "secular" party overnight would be hilarious.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby nachiket » 08 Nov 2019 05:27

Atri ji has explained the Shiv Sena perfectly on his twitter account. Unfortunately he does not post here anymore so I'm copying his tweets here.
https://twitter.com/Kal_Chiron/status/1192507887924301824

More
Shivsena has more ideological flexibility than BJP.

1. They can swing to progressive liberal avatar of Prabodhankar Thackeray.

Or

2. They can swing to anti-commie secular Marathi Manus narrative of pre Shahbano Bal Thackeray

Or

3. They can swing to post Shahbano Hinduhriday samrat Bal Thackeray


https://twitter.com/Kal_Chiron/status/1192508619608055809

By switching to position 1, they can easily ally with INC (they were propped up by INC in first place)

By switching to position 2, they can easily ally with MNS, NCP type parties which are local in nature. No national ambition

By switching to position 3, they can ally with BJP


Basically a party of opportunists who used Hindutva as a tool just like they used other stuff at different times. But it provides diminishing returns now because BJP owns that space.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby khatvaanga » 08 Nov 2019 08:52

Not sure if this is the right thread hence apologies in advance.

Law aiding Monsanto is reason for Delhi’s annual smoke season


https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news/12191-law-aiding-monsanto-reason-delhi-s-annual-smoke-season#.XcQaxdQKOQY.twitter

From the article

Until a few years ago, when farmers in Punjab burnt the remnants of the rice crops in their fields in preparation for sowing wheat, the smoke from such fires was confined to Punjab. Back then, farmers burnt the straw in late September and early October.

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However, in recent years, farmers have delayed the burning until late October.

This delay is crucial and responsible for the smoke being carried all the way to Delhi. An analysis of the wind flow patterns reveals that wind blows into Delhi primarily from the west during the monsoon season, but changes direction in October when it starts blowing into Delhi from the north.

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Before this law was passed, the problem in Delhi was limited to vehicular and industrial pollution, apart from smoke from bonfires in winter, and there were no reports of the entire metropolitan area being enveloped by smoke.

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The group that has been primarily responsible for exerting pressure to move away from growing rice in the name of “crop diversification” is the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), which operates out of the American embassy. Over a period of several years, it has used the excuse of preventing the decline of groundwater to push this agenda. USAID has a worldwide reputation of behaving like a front group for American multinational corporations such as Monsanto.

It should, therefore, come as no surprise that Monsanto will be the primary beneficiary of USAID’s purported solution for Punjab’s problems. According to their solution, farmers need to stop growing rice and replace it with Monsanto’s genetically modified (GMO) maize.
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In 2012, the then Punjab Chief Minister asked Monsanto to set up a research centre for creating maize seeds and announced plans to reduce the area under the cultivation of rice by around 45% in order to grow maize.

Today, farmers burn the residual straw from the cultivation of rice as it is an affordable method of clearing the fields. A ban on such burning will destroy the livelihood of poorer farmers and give way to industrial farming, with a few large corporations such as Monsanto taking over all the land and resources.

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For now, a step that should be taken immediately in order to prevent Delhi from becoming a gas chamber for several days every November, is to revoke what should rightfully be called the Monsanto Profit Act of 2009 and permit farmers to sow their rice crop whenever they deem it fit to do so.


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Postby abhijitm » 08 Nov 2019 10:04

There is a stalemate is MH. Four major parties are too much for any state. So no single party can form gov on its own. Even if new election is held again all parties will come up with more or less same tally. SS has firmly realized this. Their plan look clear, go with whichever party is ready to give them power as their voter base is secured for now.

This also means probably we saw the last election of bjp-ss alliance. No point in fighting joint election from now on , otherwise SS will start taking political gains at bjp's expense.

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Postby ShyamSP » 08 Nov 2019 10:12

abhijitm wrote:There is a stalemate is MH. Four major parties are too much for any state. So no single party can form gov on its own. Even if new election is held again all parties will come up with more or less same tally. SS has firmly realized this. Their plan look clear, go with whichever party is ready to give them power as their voter base is secured for now.

This also means probably we saw the last election of bjp-ss alliance. No point in fighting joint election from now on , otherwise SS will start taking political gains at bjp's expense.


In this elections if BJP and SS were to fight alone, Pawar or his daughter would have been Maharastra CM easily. Rahul G would have had opportunity to come a bit north from "way" south for next elections. Western and church agents would have dined with Sonia G for future prospects. 8)

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Postby Rony » 08 Nov 2019 12:09

Had BJP contested all seats on its own, BJP would have got more seats IMHO. BJP's strike rate in 2019 was close to 70%. Shiv Sena voteshare is stagnant since decades. Its BJP which grew at the expense of Congress. In 2019, Sena didn't want BJP with clear majority and sabotaged many of BJP candidates.

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Postby darshhan » 08 Nov 2019 12:29

In my opinion now President's rule should be imposed in Maharashtra. SS cannot be trusted any longer and neither their ambition(power and money making) is aligned to BJP's proclaimed mission of development.

Going along with NCP will damage BJP's reputation in whole India. This is even if NCP supports BJP from outside. Pawar kaka is simply not worth it. He comes with lot of baggage even after discounting massive amounts of corruption(Dawood etc). This alliance will be worse than BJP's alliance in J&K with mehbooba.

BJP should be confident. It is already in pole position in Maharashtra. No need to be afraid of any alliance even if it is that of NCP and congress. Congress is at much reduced strength fron before. Kaka is already pushing 80.

Finally even in UP, BSP and SP contested elections in alliance against BJP, yet BJP swept elections. If product is good and packaging right then people will anyway vote for you.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rsatchi » 08 Nov 2019 16:14

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 963160.cms
Can this really happen
I mean will Wily old 'Maratha' support BJP!!
Can BJP not openly say to the Governor that as we don't have the numbers given that SS are playing truant we would like to sit in Opposition!!
Let SS/NCP/Cong form the government and let it go down the tube like in Karnataka after 6 months and then SS will be wiped out once for all
I mean what is the difference between SP SS and NCP all have gone down the dynastic route.
will be interesting if and when elections take place later: the Couzins will they get together!! ( I mean Uddhav and Raj now that Uddhav's son joined active politics) :roll:

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Postby Rsatchi » 08 Nov 2019 16:25

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 963160.cms
And this by the NCP and Congress is this some kind of a Chanakyan move!! Meaning turn the BJP victory into a 'Phyrric' one!!! by 'foisting' the SS onto the Goberment with BJP!!!
We have a saying in Kannada which roughly translated into Hindi is 'Sir pe ullu betana'
I wonder if it the time for BJP to call SS the game and be done with it.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby darshhan » 08 Nov 2019 16:29

Rsatchi wrote:https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/sr-bjp-min-options-open-may-even-approach-ncp/articleshow/71963160.cms
Can this really happen
I mean will Wily old 'Maratha' support BJP!!
Can BJP not openly say to the Governor that as we don't have the numbers given that SS are playing truant we would like to sit in Opposition!!
Let SS/NCP/Cong form the government and let it go down the tube like in Karnataka after 6 months and then SS will be wiped out once for all
I mean what is the difference between SP SS and NCP all have gone down the dynastic route.
will be interesting if and when elections take place later: the Couzins will they get together!! ( I mean Uddhav and Raj now that Uddhav's son joined active politics) :roll:


The question is not if NCP will agree to support BJP. They will love to support BJP "once they extract their pound of flesh". After all BJP is the ruling party in centre.

The right question is whether BJP will take NCP's support or not. 'cause it will impact probes related to NCP leaders such as Praful patel and even Kaka himself no matter what anyone says.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby kvraghav » 08 Nov 2019 16:36

The NCP will neither support BJP nor vote against them. They will most possibly abstain from voting like last time which will save the Fadnavis govt. The NCP would then rule Maharashtra in the background without actually having any liability of public scrutiny. This is a very good position to be in, something like the JDS is doing in Karnataka today. The proof is the white topping work that has started again which was contracted by the JDS govt and which was stopped by BJP.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby arshyam » 08 Nov 2019 18:07

Fadnavis resigns.

Source: times now news around 30mins ago

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rony » 08 Nov 2019 18:44

The beginning of the end of Shiv Sena. This is the Vajpayee moment for Fadnavis

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Postby abhijitm » 08 Nov 2019 19:43

Rony wrote:The beginning of the end of Shiv Sena. This is the Vajpayee moment for Fadnavis

He had to, as a caretaker CM his tenure ends today as guv has given deadline of 9th Nov to form a new government. He resigned today so he can stake claim as new CM tomorrow.

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Postby Rony » 08 Nov 2019 20:10

Is there any truth in this CT ? Gadkari's name also came up in AP where Chandrababu Naidu supposedly bribed him in Polavaram project and awarded contracts to his firms and both of them shared the loot. On the flip side, it also speeded up the project.

Gadkari was collecting bribes from investors . So he was shunned away by Modi from his inner circle. So Gadkari hatched a plan with Uddhav to get power in Maharashtra. Shiv Sena was merely working as a pawn for Gadkari and Co. If BJP agrees to continue alliance with SS in Maharashtra, the party will further weaken itself. SS is a party of land grabbers and wants Gadkari in power to get its share in loot of Maharashtra.The core issue in Maharashtra politics is business interests. Gadkari is no different from Pawar. He holds all the cards in Maharashtra now. He trumped Amit Shah this time. If Shah-Modi agrees to re-election, it is a possible that Gadkari will openly come out as a rebel. The only reason Fadnavis was put in charge is to cut Gadkari in size. If BJP goes for re-election, this would be direct action against Gadkari and Co.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 08 Nov 2019 20:22

No wonder Ahmed Patel carried message from Italian sh1t queen and went to Gadkari. This Ahmed guy is a crookananda and hope Gadkariji does not fall for the mafia's lies
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 08 Nov 2019 20:22

It may not be so much about the CM's chair after all.

The deeper game seems to be to dislodge fadnavis and bring in a more amenable and "practical" BJP mukhota with UT being the true power behind the scene.

Fadnavis's clean govt seems to be the problem as the malai did not flow to the SS in the stupendous quantities as they expected. The fate of the NCP and the congis and the decimation of their rural support infrastructure like the coop banks, APMC and the sugar companies unions that was single handedly brought about by fadnavis seems to have scared the crap out of the SS.

This decimation has seriously affected the source of funds for both the congis as well as the NCP.

Probably, in the next round of Fadnavis's reforms, he will skin the SS cat and so UT is trying desperately to head off the BJP at the pass before they re-enter the citadel of power and capture the maratha fort once again.

The SS dominance over the brihan mumbai corporation will also be challenged now by the BJP in the municipal elections.

And, this time around, if the BJP once again succeeds in storming the ramparts, they will take no prisoners.

Gadkari ji is a hard core RSS product. He will not go against the BJP.

Gadkariji's troubles are of a different nature.

The PMO wants him to monetize assets in the road and infrastructure space whereas Gadkari ji has taken on a predominantly debt approach which is causing difficulties in these times of the slowdown.

Hence he finds himself somewhat isolated and sidelined for the moment. His honesty and capacity for hard work just cannot be disputed and the importance of his ministry's contribution is unchallenged.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 08 Nov 2019 20:51

Either folks own up to CT or else post source. What is the point of posting CT from a source without the source? It helps folks form a judgement based on the reliability of the source. A CT from Amit Shah will be evaluated differently than one from Turdesai.

The one Gadkari looks dodgy.

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Postby abhijitm » 08 Nov 2019 21:15

As far as some here and there chaiwala goes, gadkari is clean. He is infra man from 90s so for that work he is modi's go to man.

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Postby pankajs » 08 Nov 2019 22:19

FLASH: Ayodhya Verdict tomorrow 10:30 am

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Postby pankajs » 08 Nov 2019 22:23

IF the verdict goes fully in favor of the Ram Temple, BJP must share some credit with Rajiv Gandhi. BJP must thank him for opening the locks of the structure and start the current phase rolling.

All is fair in love and politics. No harm. Just saying.

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Postby Vikas » 08 Nov 2019 22:37

No Party would let go of power so easily, be it BJP or SS. Congress is a living proof of the same.
After all they are in this game of politics to capture power. Test of true leadership is only during such testing times, be it AS or DF or heck even UT.

I still respect SS for they have been in the forefront of protecting Hindu interests in Mumbai else Malasi would have run amock.

PS: I think Gadkari Ji is one of the best performing Minister in NM sarkaar, rest all are cheap insinuations.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rsatchi » 08 Nov 2019 23:03

https://twitter.com/i/status/1192845702201634816
This video sums up everything!!! :lol: :lol:

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby RajD » 08 Nov 2019 23:26

Vikas wrote:No Party would let go of power so easily, be it BJP or SS. Congress is a living proof of the same.
After all they are in this game of politics to capture power. Test of true leadership is only during such testing times, be it AS or DF or heck even UT.

I still respect SS for they have been in the forefront of protecting Hindu interests in Mumbai else Malasi would have run amock.

PS: I think Gadkari Ji is one of the best performing Minister in NM sarkaar, rest all are cheap insinuations.



Well said. People know who is the real protector and actually takes to the streets. Lathi parade can do only as much. That's why contrary to popular perception, RSS never had traction in Maharashtra in particular for this reason. I don't know about other states. Make no mistake, people make clear distinction between RSSand the BJP and also that they identify more with Modiji. Without him, less said the better. After the present imbroglio in Maharashtra SS and BJP are going to take severe hits. In the first Modi wave also contrary to their expectations BJP fell short of majority despite division of votes. This time round congies were together so it was always going to be a very difficult task and AS knew it and only because of this he entered into alliance with the SS. But then also its transpiring that both parties propped up opposing candidates against each other in 54 places no less. And lost most of those. Also BJP had egg on its face and failed big time on account of biggie turncoats it admitted and gave tickets to. Most of them not only failed but also gave rise to discontent among loyal workers, rebellion and what not. Ultimately 15 rebels have won, majority from BJP. To summarize All calculations of the BJP have gone wrong and despite Modi tsunami they have managed a mediocre below subpar performance, fig leaf of strike rate not withstanding.
Both BJP and SS have followed faithfully carried fwd the historical tradition of fratricide of indic forces and have ceded ground to the congies. Wily Sharad Pawar will have the last laugh and hurrah too.
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby darshhan » 08 Nov 2019 23:33

Vikas wrote:No Party would let go of power so easily, be it BJP or SS. Congress is a living proof of the same.
After all they are in this game of politics to capture power. Test of true leadership is only during such testing times, be it AS or DF or heck even UT.

I still respect SS for they have been in the forefront of protecting Hindu interests in Mumbai else Malasi would have run amock.

PS: I think Gadkari Ji is one of the best performing Minister in NM sarkaar, rest all are cheap insinuations.


Yes they are at forefront of protecting Hindu interests but only when one is still living in 1992/1993. That Shiv sena of Bal Thackeray and this Shiv sena is totally different.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby RajD » 08 Nov 2019 23:41

Quote/Yes they are at forefront of protecting Hindu interests but only when one is still living in 1992/1993. That Shiv sena of Bal Thackeray and this Shiv sena is totally different.[/quote]

Sir,
Pls don't underestimate spirit of the common Shiv sainik.
Should things come to head and UT dithers, I'm sure that will be the defining moment for Raj Thakre. He'll grab this opportunity by both hands and all Shiv sainiks will gravitate around him. Or there will arise a new power center for sure. Malsies will never get a free pass in Maharashtra.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Tanaji » 09 Nov 2019 00:20

The best approach currently would be for BJP to not do anything and inform the Governor that they are unable to form a government. The ShivSena will try to form a govt with NCP support and they will succeed. This govt will not last more than a year. We will have elections then. The BJP then can have a field day playing clips of Bal Thackrey that talk against Khangress, "Tulya" Pawar, Family over merit etc etc. Its another matter that the State treasury will be empty due to freebies, crores on yet another BT memorial etc etc...

@RajD: The Shivsena that you spoke of ended even before Bal Thackrey died. BT in his last 5-10 years was not the same as the Sena of the old. Raj Thackrey has only the voice and mannerisms of BT, in all other matters is a street ruffian at heart. The amount of money he has made by doing "mandivli" (marathi slang for bringing two feuding parties to an understanding) regardless of who was correct and who was wrong is countless. The guy used to live in 3 bedroom one at Gadkari Chowk near Shivaji Park and used to walk his dogs in the evenings. Now look where he is.. one only has to look at the scam of Kohinoor mills to understand him. An ED enquiry into RT would reveal wonders and that is why he is quiet.

Moi thinks is that Sanjay Raut has ambitions and aspirations and Uddhav T. is a pawn in his hands. Or it may be UT is more shrewd and playing good cop, bad cop. Remember the old order of Sena viz Manohar Joshi etc were all sidelined on Sanjay Raut and the other guy who is UT's secretary. One wonders who is playing whom at Matoshree.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Tanaji » 09 Nov 2019 00:21

RajD wrote:Both BJP and SS have followed faithfully carried fwd the historical tradition of fratricide of indic forces and have ceded ground to the congies. Wily Sharad Pawar will have the last laugh and hurrah too.


+100000

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KJo » 09 Nov 2019 00:54

Instead of all this drama, why didn't AS and UT draw up an agreement about what to do before the elections? It seems like AS thought he could bully the SS and get the CMship while SS was not sure about how they would do in the election.

Now that they combined have a majority, they can't agree and UT wants to bring his pappu in.


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