2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby darshhan » 09 Nov 2019 15:22

Basically as I said earlier SS aspirations and thought process simply do not align with BJP Vision. It is now a mismatched alliance.

Even Hindutva has become a burden in eyes of shiv sena leaders(not workers) which is preventing them from occupying power. As of now they are better suited in the company of NCP and congress. They even share the same culture with these guys.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 09 Nov 2019 16:00

https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/statu ... 2309151744
Aditya Raj Kaul @AdityaRajKaul

Chaos in the ISI/ISPR ranks again in Pakistan. First came the Article 370 abrogation blow on Aug 5 and the ISI Station Chief at PHC, New Delhi got to hear abuses from Rawalpindi. Later replaced. Now Ayodhya verdict shifts media attention from Kartarpur event. Imagine their state!

Not that GOI could have planned it but such is timing! I will take that gladly.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 09 Nov 2019 16:42

Now that the RJB case is done, expect the SC to stick it to the yindus on Sabrimala and the GOI to nullify it via an ordinance/legislation.

And while nullifying the Sabrimala verdict, GOI should also push a couple more yindu issues alongside and make it a package deal.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Tanaji » 09 Nov 2019 18:22

Nobody knows what was agreed between Amit Shah and Uddhav Thackrey. UT claims that discussions were on for Lok Sabha, he was promised a 50-50 sharing agreement by AS. He further claims that Devendra Fadnavis implored him to make this arrangement public as DF wanted to manage his party members at a later time. UT's further grouse is that he has been stuck with heavy industries portfolio in the Centre that he did not want and he was promised another one by AS that he never got. DF claims that no such agreement was done, discussions happened but stopped without an agreement.

So who knows what happened, who to believe. Frankly this alliance while convenient, is way too much effort and BJP should go it alone. Anyways SS criticizes BJP, so thats no loss....

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 09 Nov 2019 19:02

pankajs wrote:Now that the RJB case is done, expect the SC to stick it to the yindus on Sabrimala and the GOI to nullify it via an ordinance/legislation.

And while nullifying the Sabrimala verdict, GOI should also push a couple more yindu issues alongside and make it a package deal.


this is how the system is gamed.


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We live in times where

Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi is called an austere religious scholar

Bin Laden is remembered as dedicated husband.

Burhan Wani is called headmaster's son.

But a guy wearing a Hanuman shirt is considered a threat.

Let that sink in.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 09 Nov 2019 19:05

Tanaji wrote:Nobody knows what was agreed between Amit Shah and Uddhav Thackrey. UT claims that discussions were on for Lok Sabha, he was promised a 50-50 sharing agreement by AS. He further claims that Devendra Fadnavis implored him to make this arrangement public as DF wanted to manage his party members at a later time. UT's further grouse is that he has been stuck with heavy industries portfolio in the Centre that he did not want and he was promised another one by AS that he never got. DF claims that no such agreement was done, discussions happened but stopped without an agreement.

So who knows what happened, who to believe. Frankly this alliance while convenient, is way too much effort and BJP should go it alone. Anyways SS criticizes BJP, so thats no loss....


Why would anyone believe the SS.

If they had actually managed to get such an agreement from the BJP, would they have not tom tommed it from the rooftops during their electoral campaign.

would it not have immeasurably boosted their measly strike rate.

this is blackmail, plain and simple.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 09 Nov 2019 19:55

chetak wrote:
pankajs wrote:Now that the RJB case is done, expect the SC to stick it to the yindus on Sabrimala and the GOI to nullify it via an ordinance/legislation.

And while nullifying the Sabrimala verdict, GOI should also push a couple more yindu issues alongside and make it a package deal.

this is how the system is gamed.

:wink:

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 09 Nov 2019 20:22

twitter



The believers know that eventually it is HE who decides the time & manner of his return. The humans are merely his instruments. That he chose this moment, in our lifetime, makes us blessed #AYODHYAVERDICT

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sooraj » 09 Nov 2019 20:30

Governor Bhagat Singh Koshiyari invites Devendra Fadnavis to form government by Monday

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 09 Nov 2019 21:29

Spot the blatant propaganda ... there are many other subtle one also

https://scroll.in/latest/943127/ayodhya ... n-the-case
February 1, 1986: The district court orders the removal of locks and opening of the site for Hindu worshippers.
No mention of Rajiv Gandhi's role in getting the locks being opened.

https://scroll.in/article/943153/ayodhy ... paragraphs
What does this mean?

This order paves the way for a Ram temple to be built on the spot where the Babri Masjid was demolished in 1992, a long-standing demand of Hindutva organisations and the BJP. Although the court did say that the demolition of the 16th-century Babri Masjid by mobs led by these organisations on December 6, 1992, was illegal, it indirectly endorses the act of vandalism by awarding the land to the Hindu parties. It is impossible to say if the same verdict would have been reached had the mosque still been standing. Such an outcome further entrenches the sense that India is a majoritarian state where mob rule by the majority can be given the imprimatur of state authority. Many have argued that a result like this could give an impetus to further demands from the BJP and its parent organisation, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, to question the ownership of other Muslim religious structures to because they stand on spots that Hindus believe to be sacred.

This is how propaganda is done. The double highlighted part.

Facts: The title suit is different from the demolition case. The demolition should not impact the title suit and that is what has been ensured by the SC.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 09 Nov 2019 21:38

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Postby CRamS » 09 Nov 2019 22:02

pankajs wrote:Not that GOI could have planned it but such is timing! I will take that gladly.


I agree that Ayodhya verdict has robbed TSP of the Kartarpur propaganda value, but for me the most puke worthy tweet of the day was a video I saw on Twitter posted by that Fox news Bimbo, now state dept mouthpiece, who probably can't tell the difference between her elbow and her ass, much less the difference between India's aim in Kartarpur Vs TSP's, giving a condescending equal equal praise to both India and TSP. To this end, TSP may have gotten something. Plus, why ModiJi sometimes goes overboard I don't know, but comparing this with fall of Berlin wall? Give me a break.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rsatchi » 09 Nov 2019 22:32

CRamS wrote:
pankajs wrote:Not that GOI could have planned it but such is timing! I will take that gladly.


I agree that Ayodhya verdict has robbed TSP of the Kartarpur propaganda value, but for me the most puke worthy tweet of the day was a video I saw on Twitter posted by that Fox news Bimbo, now state dept mouthpiece, who probably can't tell the difference between her elbow and her ass, much less the difference between India's aim in Kartarpur Vs TSP's, giving a condescending equal equal praise to both India and TSP. To this end, TSP may have gotten something. Plus, why ModiJi sometimes goes overboard I don't know, but comparing this with fall of Berlin wall? Give me a break.

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Is it not what Napaks want i.e., for the Khalistani movement to resurface and start the ghazwa-e-behind(now Mods don't have a go and I am not again being homophobic :D ) a la 'whishes' were horses' :rotfl:
Unless of course its Trojan Horse and tip of the spear from our side for the ultimate dismantling and Modiji is vocalizing our collective wish!!!
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rsatchi » 09 Nov 2019 22:37

https://youtu.be/wgdMxfSAfwE
And here is the FM firing on full cyclinder :D :D

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sunnyP » 09 Nov 2019 22:39

CRamS wrote:
pankajs wrote:Not that GOI could have planned it but such is timing! I will take that gladly.


I agree that Ayodhya verdict has robbed TSP of the Kartarpur propaganda value, but for me the most puke worthy tweet of the day was a video I saw on Twitter posted by that Fox news Bimbo, now state dept mouthpiece, who probably can't tell the difference between her elbow and her ass, much less the difference between India's aim in Kartarpur Vs TSP's, giving a condescending equal equal praise to both India and TSP. To this end, TSP may have gotten something. Plus, why ModiJi sometimes goes overboard I don't know, but comparing this with fall of Berlin wall? Give me a break.


The Berlin Wall comment was quite something, cannot believe he said it. Utterly ridiculous.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 09 Nov 2019 22:44

CRamS wrote:
pankajs wrote:Not that GOI could have planned it but such is timing! I will take that gladly.


I agree that Ayodhya verdict has robbed TSP of the Kartarpur propaganda value, but for me the most puke worthy tweet of the day was a video I saw on Twitter posted by that Fox news Bimbo, now state dept mouthpiece, who probably can't tell the difference between her elbow and her ass, much less the difference between India's aim in Kartarpur Vs TSP's, giving a condescending equal equal praise to both India and TSP. To this end, TSP may have gotten something. Plus, why ModiJi sometimes goes overboard I don't know, but comparing this with fall of Berlin wall? Give me a break.

Not Modi's problem but problem of folks who have a comprehension problem. Modi has always spoken of peace and harmony. I don't doubt his sincerity. He is a good man with a big heart. :wink:

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rsatchi » 09 Nov 2019 22:47

https://youtu.be/8KDUfbQptC8
And serious takaloof on Shahi Imama and Sunni wakf board not rioting and peacefully accepting the verdict!!!
So a series of disaster for Niazi:
Balakot
370
Ayodhya
Kartarpur
No mileage and all going pear shaped
With Maulana in Isloo days of Niazi over????

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Postby CRamS » 09 Nov 2019 22:55

Rsatchi wrote:https://youtu.be/wgdMxfSAfwE
And here is the FM firing on full cyclinder :D :D


The stench of the self righteous sophistry is breath taking.

Talking about propaganda, note this is directed towards Indian libtards. For e.g., the other day I heard that intellectually challenged Pappu slave and former SC judge, Sanjay Hegde, berate BJP and ModiJi for wanting to "hurt Sikh sentiments" when asked to criticize TSP's video showing Khalistani traitors like Bhindranwalle.

So you see, this Kartaurpur opening gambit was a huge attempt by TSP to force a Hindu Sikh communal cauldron aided and abetted by ModiJi haters like Sanjay Hegde and his ilk. That tactical gambit by TSP has been smothered. Somewhat like the great Sunil Gavaskar who would daringly go on the front foot on a viscous turning wicket and smother the spin of Derek Underwood :-).

But that said, this is just the opening. Need to monitor how TSP uses Kartarpur for pigLeT attacks against India and reviving Khalistani movement. Some like Sushant Sareen and Brahma Chelllaney say India is walking into a disaster with eyes wide open. I beg to differ. Like it or not, Sikh religious passions are not something to be toyed with.

Had ModiJi attempted to put any brakes on TSP's gambit, the Sikh fury would have known no bounds. Well played ModiJi, respecting deep held sentiments and faith of Sikhs, and at the same time denting TSP's machinations, at least for the moment.

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Postby Rsatchi » 09 Nov 2019 23:06

CRamS wrote:
Rsatchi wrote:https://youtu.be/wgdMxfSAfwE
And here is the FM firing on full cyclinder :D :D


The stench of the self righteous sophistry is breath taking.

Talking about propaganda, note this is directed towards Indian libtards. For e.g., the other day I heard that intellectually challenged Pappu slave and former SC judge, Sanjay Hegde, berate BJP and ModiJi for wanting to "hurt Sikh sentiments" when asked to criticize TSP's video showing Khalistani traitors like Bhindranwalle.

So you see, this Kartaurpur opening gambit was a huge attempt by TSP to force a Hindu Sikh communal cauldron aided and abetted by ModiJi haters like Sanjay Hegde and his ilk. That tactical gambit by TSP has been smothered. Somewhat like the great Sunil Gavaskar who would daringly go on the front foot on a viscous turning wicket and smother the spin of Derek Underwood :-).

But that said, this is just the opening. Need to monitor how TSP uses Kartarpur for pigLeT attacks against India and reviving Khalistani movement. Some like Sushant Sareen and Brahma Chelllaney say India is walking into a disaster with eyes wide open. I beg to differ. Like it or not, Sikh religious passions are not something to be toyed with.

Had ModiJi attempted to put any brakes on TSP's gambit, the Sikh fury would have known no bounds. Well played ModiJi, respecting deep held sentiments and faith of Sikhs, and at the same time denting TSP's machinations, at least for the moment.

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Too right
Probably a variation of the old khahawat 'Ek Teer …..' but in this many 'Maars' :lol:
Modiji has not only twisted the Napak Cojones (with Katakat masala if any doesn't know what katakat is please check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kata-kat :lol: :lol: and look at the main meat ingredients) but also managed to cage the liberandus/leftist/nascent(closet)khalistanis yadi-yadi
Modiji Tussi Great Ho!!! :D

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 09 Nov 2019 23:15

just look at the tone and tenor of this self serving article by a vapid, entitled, lootyens darbari who screams bleddy murder when she and her family lose stolen privileges that they were never entitled to in the first place.

per wiki,

her son studied in the Kodaikanal International School, a residential school in Kodaikanal. He later studied at Amherst College in Massachusetts, earning dual Bachelor of Arts degrees in French and Political Science in 2001.

which sugar daddy/sisters paid for all of these

the son is almost 40 years old, surely old enough to fight his own battles without mummy getting into the fray. His sexual orientation is not sharia compliant, he has a white ameriki husband, a US green card as a result of that union and an attitude that reeks of stolen privileges and fraudulent entitlements, as indeed does his mother's attitude does too.

The article is peppered with prurient name dropping, indignant accusations as to why the home minister did not drop everything and immediately spring to her aid and how lowly officials dared to ignore her, a mighty lootyens presstitute.

she however blithely smoothes over the fact that her son's biological father is undoubtedly a pakistani, and no one really cares as to how many other nationalities the horny blighter otherwise held simultaneously. If paki was one of them, then their goose is well and truly cooked.

her sons' invitations to any and every pseudo literary festival in India has just permanently dried up and probably so has hers.

why would the govt consult the criminal son's mother when the almost 40 son is a married adult and quite capable of fighting his own battles. After all, wouldn't the application for the OCI card have been filled out and signed by him alone. The son is criminally liable for lying on the application form and he got what was coming to him.

Haven't the mother and son heard about glass houses or like in the days of yore when all lootyens houses were bulletproof and the darbaris weren't accountable to anyone mortal, are they guilty of still living in the past, in paid for barsatis in golf links, of course.





Sending my son Aatish Taseer to exile is not just wrong but evil



Sending my son Aatish Taseer to exile is not just wrong but evil


I have to say that I am truly horrified that this was done without my even being given a hearing. Of course, as the BJP’s Twitter trolls tell me gleefully, I could go to court.

Tavleen Singh
Updated: November 9, 2019,




As I sit down to write this, I still find it hard to believe that a prime minister whom I have openly supported for more than five years has allowed his government to exile my son. When the notice arrived from the home ministry, three months ago, asking Aatish to explain why his status as an Overseas Citizen of India (OCI) should not be revoked on the grounds that he had not revealed that his father was Pakistani, my first reaction was to call the home minister.

I thought there was some misunderstanding and wanted to clear it up. I wanted to show him a document in my possession that shows that when I brought Aatish to live in India in 1982 as his sole legal guardian, he was given permission till the age of 18.

His father’s name is on the affidavit I signed. When he turned 18, I tried to apply for another indefinite visa and was advised by the officials to get a PIO card instead. This I did and nobody asked me if his father was Pakistani. In any case, this was irrelevant since neither Aatish nor I were in touch with his father. I thought if I explained all this to the home minister, he would be supportive.

My calls to the home minister were ignored. So I then tried to call Hiren Joshi who, as the prime minister’s man in charge of the media, has an obligation to at least return the calls of a journalist. He refused to come on the phone. I wrote him several e-mails.

They were also ignored. It was then that I realised that somebody very high up wanted revenge on Aatish. This had been a niggling fear at the back of my mind ever since he wrote that article in Time magazine that appeared on the cover with a distorted sketch of Narendra Modi and the words, “Divider in Chief”.

I remember telling Aatish, then, that the article was inaccurate and ill-timed because this was in the last week of the Lok Sabha campaign and there were clear indications to me that Modi would be winning a second term. The title of the piece was offensive but the content should have offended Rahul Gandhi more than Modi because in it the then Congress President was described as “an unteachable mediocrity”.

In any case, it was only after this article appeared that the plot to exile my son began to unfold. Modi’s troll army on Twitter went ballistic and it was not long before Aatish was being described not just as a Pakistani but as an ISI agent and a jihadist.

The inevitable happened yesterday when Twitter was used to inform Aatish that he was no longer entitled to an OCI card because he had “lied” about his father’s nationality. The truth is that neither he nor I have ever lied about it.

Salmaan Taseer’s mother was English and as far as I know, Salmaan had a British passport since as a Pakistani he is allowed dual nationality. Aatish was born in London in 1980 and British law at the time allowed him to become a full British citizen.

We got him a British passport because of the hope that it would make it easier for him to go between India and Pakistan. My relationship with Salmaan ended badly soon after and I brought Aatish back to India. He did not meet his father till he was an adult.

Bringing him home to India as a baby made my family less disapproving of my “mistake”. Financially, the only support I had was the job that MJ Akbar gave me in The Telegraph as soon as I returned home and told him I needed work. What I earned was not enough to live on. My mother helped by paying the rent of my barsati in Golf Links.

And, my sister and my friend, Vasundhara Raje, helped financially whenever I was too broke to get through the month. Luckily, my sister’s twins are only two years older than Aatish, so there was a regular supply of clothes. And, as I wrote in my book, Durbar, the only really nice clothes Aatish had as a child came from Sonia Gandhi. We were friends then and she helped, as did my other friends, in whatever way they could. But, grateful as I am to all those who helped me through those difficult years, I have to say that I would not advise any woman to become a single mother.

To return, though, to the exile that Aatish now faces, I have to say that I am truly horrified that this was done without my even being given a hearing. Of course, as the BJP’s Twitter trolls tell me gleefully, I could go to court.

But, I am not sure that I can afford to spend the next 10 years fighting a legal battle against the mighty Indian state. Even as I write these words, my heart goes out to those people whom the home minister calls “termites” who may actually be Indian “termites” but will probably spend the rest of their lives in detention centres because if I cannot afford a legal battle, how can they.

Let me say as clearly as possible that I believe what has happened to Aatish is not just wrong but evil, just as what is happening to the desperately poor people who are running around trying to prove their Indian citizenship is evil and wrong. The damage done to India’s image as the world’s largest democracy is incalculable.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rsatchi » 09 Nov 2019 23:23

^^The Looty-N's are still in denial and not realising that: Battle/War Yadi Yadi is well and truly over and won and Won resoundingly by the majority 'Bharath' and the 'Angrez YUppee India' better get used to the reality :D

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Postby abhijitm » 09 Nov 2019 23:53

By a million miles, Modi is the best ever PM, ever and ever.

Called pak nuke bluff using surgical strike and air strike. Unprecedented, one and only one attack by one nuke nation on another.
Banned 3T.
370 and 35A abolished.
Ramjanmabhumi solved.

UCC next.

I can't believe I lived to see these days!! Sad he is 69. Should have been 59. What fun that could have been! Neverthless I want another 10 years of Modi at least.

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Postby CRamS » 10 Nov 2019 00:24

AbhijitJi, 69 is not too old, I pray and hope for his good health. I am told he exercises a lot, meditates, lives a spiritual life as Karma sanyasi, but he likes good food :-). That last part maybe he should cut back :-).

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Postby Rsatchi » 10 Nov 2019 00:34

abhijitm wrote:By a million miles, Modi is the best ever PM, ever and ever.

Called pak nuke bluff using surgical strike and air strike. Unprecedented, one and only one attack by one nuke nation on another.
Banned 3T.
370 and 35A abolished.
Ramjanmabhumi solved.

UCC next.

I can't believe I lived to see these days!! Sad he is 69. Should have been 59. What fun that could have been! Neverthless I want another 10 years of Modi at least.

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Abhi to asli picture suru nahin hua hai
Wait for :
Balkanization of Napak
Tibet liberashun
Democracy with liberandus in Chin :D :D
Bharat ke Hegemoney (as apne Padosi kehte hain na wiase)

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby syam » 10 Nov 2019 00:37

So any good material on UCC? Surprisingly very little content about it out there. We can be the first movers. 8)

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rsatchi » 10 Nov 2019 00:40

Aur Aaj 'Rangaaa Kush'
Spent a lot of time of Teetar!!
Ethna maja aaj Zindagi me Pehle baar aaya hain.
Who Pappu-Bhaiyya ne Pehle kahan tha na 'Bhai majaa ayaa Mian en …… ko bhi who majaaa dena chahatha hoon'
Pappuji majaaa aaya 'Appke muh me Ghee-sakkar' :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby syam » 10 Nov 2019 00:47

Time has come, says Defence Minister on Uniform Civil Code
When a journalist asked about Uniform Civil Code (UCC) to Defence Minister Rajnath Singh then he said, “Time Has come”

This statement of Rajnath Singh came after the landmark verdict of Ayodhya given by Supreme Court of India on Saturday. “Aa gaya Samay (Time Has come),” told reporters when asked about the Uniform Civil Code (UCC).

The Delhi High Court will hear several petitions regarding the Uniform Civil Code (UCC) on Monday.

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Postby abhijitm » 10 Nov 2019 00:48

CRamS wrote:AbhijitJi, 69 is not too old, I pray and hope for his good health. I am told he exercises a lot, meditates, lives a spiritual life as Karma sanyasi, but he likes good food :-). That last part maybe he should cut back :-).

Absolutely. All prayers for his good health. May he lives 100+.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

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CRamS wrote:
I agree that Ayodhya verdict has robbed TSP of the Kartarpur propaganda value, but for me the most puke worthy tweet of the day was a video I saw on Twitter posted by that Fox news Bimbo, now state dept mouthpiece, who probably can't tell the difference between her elbow and her ass, much less the difference between India's aim in Kartarpur Vs TSP's, giving a condescending equal equal praise to both India and TSP. To this end, TSP may have gotten something. Plus, why ModiJi sometimes goes overboard I don't know, but comparing this with fall of Berlin wall? Give me a break.


berlin wall resulted in destroying commie infested east germany, and unification of bigger germany as we know today. it drove the death knell to commie ussr.

"hitler" "berlin" walls are BIG words picked in the west. creates attention and noise. Namo is using these. He is 24x7 politician working for India.

Also mentioning berlin wall evokes some sneaking suspicion of completion of J&K state, may be include 4 miles and surrounding area of kartarpur.
I am wishing too much. :mrgreen: :wink:

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sudarshan » 10 Nov 2019 01:29

During the last term of Modi, the forum was peppered with posts by uber-yinduvadis.

They had this list of core issues, which was being put on the back-burner in the interests of Vikas (you know, that entity which is useless in the absence of progress on core issues, because, well, the lack of progress on core issues will eventually destroy the Vikas, or worse, deliver all its fruits to the current minority who will be the new majority):

370
RJB
UCC
----TTT
RTE
Any other 3- or N-character alphanumeric acronym with #*& to substitute for unmentionables

The lack of progress on all this was going to drive them all (each according to his/her own personal taste) to:

Not vote for Modi anymore (with no specification on who, if anybody, they will vote for)
Not vote anymore
Vote NOTA forevermore
Vote for Modi, but holding their nose
Vote for Modi, holding nose, but:
----Not expend any energy to persuade others to vote for Modi, because of which Modi will flounder, just wait and see
----Expend energy in convincing others to vote NOTA forevermore
----Expend energy in convincing others to vote nevermore
----Etc. etc.
Vote for Congress outright, because, you know, what's the difference, Congress or Modi?
Start their own party to fight Modi
----And then vote NOTA forevermore
Make no change in voting patterns, but continue whining to infinity
Move to Latvia, so they don't have to worry about all this anymore

Wonder how it's going for them in this term of Modi?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 10 Nov 2019 02:01

It looks like that there was a large number of lootyens pasandi sold out guys in the previous NDA govt.


‘Taseer concealed his father was a Pakistani’




‘Taseer concealed his father was a Pakistani’

Abhinandan Mishra
November 9, 2019,

No ‘other reason’ for cancellation of the writer’s OCI status.


NEW DELHI: It was the Atal Bihari Vajpayee-led BJP government in July 2000 that had first given the Person of Indian Origin (PIO) card to writer Aatish Taseer. The PIO card scheme for foreigners of Indian origin having foreign passport was introduced by the Government of India on 30 March 1999.

In his application that was submitted at the Foreigners’ Regional Registration Office (FRRO), Delhi, Taseer had not mentioned the name of his father, official sources who have accessed his application have told The Sunday Guardian.

Subsequently, when on 9 January 2015, the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) withdrew the PIO scheme, all the PIO card holders automatically became Overseas Citizen of India (OCI) cardholders. Taseer, 38, is the son of veteran Indian journalist Tavleen Singh and Pakistani politician Salman Taseer who was assassinated in Islamabad by his own bodyguard in January 2011 for indulging in “blasphemy”.

Informed government sources have told The Sunday Guardian that it was wrong to say that Taseer’s OCI status was canceled for other reasons (read, for writing anti-Narendra Modi articles) rather than merit.

“The PIO application form did not require the applicant to mention the details of both his mother and father. Taseer did not mention his father’s name in the application form when he first applied for PIO status. When it was detected (this year) that his father was a Pakistani national, he was served notice and then the OCI status was canceled. Hundreds of OCIs are canceled every year for different reasons, but Taseer’s case caught media attention because of his family background,” an official said.

As per December 2018 data, there are about 1.31 crore NRIs and 1.78 crore PIOs residing in 208 countries.

Responding to what explained the almost 17-year-old delay in discovering that Taseer had “hidden” information in his PIO application, the official said action was taken as and when the inaccuracies were discovered. “It is wrong to attribute motive to the particular action. This is a bonafide action, something which is taken very regularly,” he said.

The Sunday Guardian reached out to Taseer for his response, but no response was received till the time the story went to press.

Earlier, the MHA, on Thursday, through its spokesperson, took to Twitter to state that Taseer had become ineligible to hold an OCI card as the card cannot be issued to any person whose parents or grandparents are Pakistanis. The MHA stated that Taseer had hidden the fact that his father was a Pakistani national. As per the Citizenship Act, if the OCI cardholder is obtained by means of fraud, false representation or concealment of any material fact, the said registration is canceled and the person holding the card is also blacklisted and not allowed future entry into India.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby fanne » 10 Nov 2019 03:11

sudarshan wrote:During the last term of Modi, the forum was peppered with posts by uber-yinduvadis.

They had this list of core issues, which was being put on the back-burner in the interests of Vikas (you know, that entity which is useless in the absence of progress on core issues, because, well, the lack of progress on core issues will eventually destroy the Vikas, or worse, deliver all its fruits to the current minority who will be the new majority):

370
RJB
UCC
----TTT
RTE
Any other 3- or N-character alphanumeric acronym with #*& to substitute for unmentionables

The lack of progress on all this was going to drive them all (each according to his/her own personal taste) to:

Not vote for Modi anymore (with no specification on who, if anybody, they will vote for)
Not vote anymore
Vote NOTA forevermore
Vote for Modi, but holding their nose
Vote for Modi, holding nose, but:
----Not expend any energy to persuade others to vote for Modi, because of which Modi will flounder, just wait and see
----Expend energy in convincing others to vote NOTA forevermore
----Expend energy in convincing others to vote nevermore
----Etc. etc.
Vote for Congress outright, because, you know, what's the difference, Congress or Modi?
Start their own party to fight Modi
----And then vote NOTA forevermore
Make no change in voting patterns, but continue whining to infinity
Move to Latvia, so they don't have to worry about all this anymore

Wonder how it's going for them in this term of Modi?


you can see some gents on this forum changing their tunes and being the loudest supporter - Not that I am complaining , NAMO hai to mumkin hai!!

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 10 Nov 2019 03:11

Vinayak
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Prime Minister Modi has reviewed a total of 265 projects worth Rs 12.15 lakh crore at PRAGATI meetings. Today he reviewed 9 projects worth over Rs 61,000 crore with a particular focus on Jammu and Kashmir. No prime minister has ever focused on country-wide in this way.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Vayutuvan » 10 Nov 2019 03:17

CRamS wrote:... puke worthy tweet of the day was a video I saw on Twitter posted by that Fox news Bimbo, now state dept mouthpiece, ...

Link to the tweet please.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 10 Nov 2019 03:59

chetak wrote:It looks like that there was a large number of lootyens pasandi sold out guys in the previous NDA govt.


‘Taseer concealed his father was a Pakistani’




Actually they are fearful.

See! As sson this happened, it has become headline news of Wapo,

All white racist Xian sh1t media called as liberal/progressives united in purpose with left/naxal/Islamist filth of India ... this garbage has learned how to blackmail/threaten, tar people and call them as bigots/racists/communal etc. Unfortuntely, many of us were in shock/awe of this filthy garbage. We knew they were lying about India because we knew the inner details. But we believe them in other categories. If you know other categories well, you knew they were lying there also. But they found they can use the human tendency of believing any sh1t printed in black&white and started using it to blackmail politicians/leaders/business folks to toe their line.

Sometime, it is so astonishing hwo far this cancer spread. Bill Gates said something negative about Warren's wealth tax plan. That's it. Now he is the villain according madarchods of left liberal sh1t scums in media. So many articles attacking him that he is Trump supporter. A lot of friends suddenly read and claim they don't respect him any more. Why can't he pay 3% wealth tax? blah blah ... that is the power of these blackmailing filthy garbage.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sudarshan » 10 Nov 2019 05:58

fanne wrote:you can see some gents on this forum changing their tunes and being the loudest supporter - Not that I am complaining , NAMO hai to mumkin hai!!


Some have their hearts in the right places. The rest should be easy to detect. See, the anti-Modi narrative is shifting now to "he's tanking the economy!" So if any of the former gents try to push this narrative, that would be a give-away. Because this would be the opposite of what they were saying before, that "Vikas is not enough." Whereas the "economy going down in flames" narrative would be back to - "we need Vikas, not just core issues!"

I think I have an idea who would be making that switch.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby UlanBatori » 10 Nov 2019 07:14

The PIO application form did not require the applicant to mention the details of both his mother and father.


Is this true? Even "KYC" pharm for baink requires those.

Taseer did not mention his father’s name in the application form when he first applied for PIO status.

Not surprised. The Laws do not exist for some ppl, do they?

What happens if you neglect to mention a few traffic tickets on your Yoo Ess citjenship pharm, one wonders?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Suraj » 10 Nov 2019 07:34

The OCI forms are very clear that if your parent or grandparent were ever a citizen of TSP, you're not eligible for it. Most likely, Tavleen Singh or her son left the field for father blank. It's one of the first eligibility checks performed in the application online. If you mark yes there, it prevents you from applying. This restriction has been there from the start.

The fundamental problem here is that these restrictions are very clear, and that subsequent personal discord "Oh yes my dad is a Paki but I live with mom and she doesn't get along with him, besides he's been halaled" isn't a mitigating factor.

If at all I had to interact with the guy, I'd ask "are you familiar with the rules of eligibility for the OCI?" and follow that up with "what exactly did you enter in the field for father ?"

There are potentially several more people who may lose their OCIs. Some have asked "how can Adnan Sami be son of TSP war herrow and be Indian citizen but Aatish can't be OCI ?" That's because son of TSP war hero gave up his TSP citizenship to become Indian, while Tavleen's bacha is a British citizen with Paki fother.

He *can* become an Indian citizen too, but no, he wants to remain a British citizen AND keep his OCI while being ineligible for the latter.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Dileep » 10 Nov 2019 07:50

What I read is that he got his PIO automatically converted to OCI, which means he didn't apply for it when OCI was introduced. So, this automatic conversion would have let many such people in, since PIO eligibility requirements were different from that of OCI.

My son was born in USA while I was on H1B. He was eligible for (and got) PIO. But when OCI came later, some bright mind in Dilli Durbar had put in a condition that made him ineligible. Children born abroad to parents on work visa not eligible!!!

But he got in, since he had Indian passport for a short while. Most of others in same situation would have been ineligible for OCI and stuck with PIO.

I can't recall if PIO was allowed for people with paki parent. Assuming it was, there may be many others like this Atish guy who would have lost PIO and became ineligible for OCI.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby a_bharat » 10 Nov 2019 08:18

^^
You still have to go through the paper work. I had done this for my children when PIO was phased out.


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