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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 10 Nov 2019 02:01

It looks like that there was a large number of lootyens pasandi sold out guys in the previous NDA govt.


‘Taseer concealed his father was a Pakistani’




‘Taseer concealed his father was a Pakistani’

Abhinandan Mishra
November 9, 2019,

No ‘other reason’ for cancellation of the writer’s OCI status.


NEW DELHI: It was the Atal Bihari Vajpayee-led BJP government in July 2000 that had first given the Person of Indian Origin (PIO) card to writer Aatish Taseer. The PIO card scheme for foreigners of Indian origin having foreign passport was introduced by the Government of India on 30 March 1999.

In his application that was submitted at the Foreigners’ Regional Registration Office (FRRO), Delhi, Taseer had not mentioned the name of his father, official sources who have accessed his application have told The Sunday Guardian.

Subsequently, when on 9 January 2015, the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) withdrew the PIO scheme, all the PIO card holders automatically became Overseas Citizen of India (OCI) cardholders. Taseer, 38, is the son of veteran Indian journalist Tavleen Singh and Pakistani politician Salman Taseer who was assassinated in Islamabad by his own bodyguard in January 2011 for indulging in “blasphemy”.

Informed government sources have told The Sunday Guardian that it was wrong to say that Taseer’s OCI status was canceled for other reasons (read, for writing anti-Narendra Modi articles) rather than merit.

“The PIO application form did not require the applicant to mention the details of both his mother and father. Taseer did not mention his father’s name in the application form when he first applied for PIO status. When it was detected (this year) that his father was a Pakistani national, he was served notice and then the OCI status was canceled. Hundreds of OCIs are canceled every year for different reasons, but Taseer’s case caught media attention because of his family background,” an official said.

As per December 2018 data, there are about 1.31 crore NRIs and 1.78 crore PIOs residing in 208 countries.

Responding to what explained the almost 17-year-old delay in discovering that Taseer had “hidden” information in his PIO application, the official said action was taken as and when the inaccuracies were discovered. “It is wrong to attribute motive to the particular action. This is a bonafide action, something which is taken very regularly,” he said.

The Sunday Guardian reached out to Taseer for his response, but no response was received till the time the story went to press.

Earlier, the MHA, on Thursday, through its spokesperson, took to Twitter to state that Taseer had become ineligible to hold an OCI card as the card cannot be issued to any person whose parents or grandparents are Pakistanis. The MHA stated that Taseer had hidden the fact that his father was a Pakistani national. As per the Citizenship Act, if the OCI cardholder is obtained by means of fraud, false representation or concealment of any material fact, the said registration is canceled and the person holding the card is also blacklisted and not allowed future entry into India.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby fanne » 10 Nov 2019 03:11

sudarshan wrote:During the last term of Modi, the forum was peppered with posts by uber-yinduvadis.

They had this list of core issues, which was being put on the back-burner in the interests of Vikas (you know, that entity which is useless in the absence of progress on core issues, because, well, the lack of progress on core issues will eventually destroy the Vikas, or worse, deliver all its fruits to the current minority who will be the new majority):

370
RJB
UCC
----TTT
RTE
Any other 3- or N-character alphanumeric acronym with #*& to substitute for unmentionables

The lack of progress on all this was going to drive them all (each according to his/her own personal taste) to:

Not vote for Modi anymore (with no specification on who, if anybody, they will vote for)
Not vote anymore
Vote NOTA forevermore
Vote for Modi, but holding their nose
Vote for Modi, holding nose, but:
----Not expend any energy to persuade others to vote for Modi, because of which Modi will flounder, just wait and see
----Expend energy in convincing others to vote NOTA forevermore
----Expend energy in convincing others to vote nevermore
----Etc. etc.
Vote for Congress outright, because, you know, what's the difference, Congress or Modi?
Start their own party to fight Modi
----And then vote NOTA forevermore
Make no change in voting patterns, but continue whining to infinity
Move to Latvia, so they don't have to worry about all this anymore

Wonder how it's going for them in this term of Modi?


you can see some gents on this forum changing their tunes and being the loudest supporter - Not that I am complaining , NAMO hai to mumkin hai!!

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 10 Nov 2019 03:11

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Prime Minister Modi has reviewed a total of 265 projects worth Rs 12.15 lakh crore at PRAGATI meetings. Today he reviewed 9 projects worth over Rs 61,000 crore with a particular focus on Jammu and Kashmir. No prime minister has ever focused on country-wide in this way.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Vayutuvan » 10 Nov 2019 03:17

CRamS wrote:... puke worthy tweet of the day was a video I saw on Twitter posted by that Fox news Bimbo, now state dept mouthpiece, ...

Link to the tweet please.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 10 Nov 2019 03:59

chetak wrote:It looks like that there was a large number of lootyens pasandi sold out guys in the previous NDA govt.


‘Taseer concealed his father was a Pakistani’




Actually they are fearful.

See! As sson this happened, it has become headline news of Wapo,

All white racist Xian sh1t media called as liberal/progressives united in purpose with left/naxal/Islamist filth of India ... this garbage has learned how to blackmail/threaten, tar people and call them as bigots/racists/communal etc. Unfortuntely, many of us were in shock/awe of this filthy garbage. We knew they were lying about India because we knew the inner details. But we believe them in other categories. If you know other categories well, you knew they were lying there also. But they found they can use the human tendency of believing any sh1t printed in black&white and started using it to blackmail politicians/leaders/business folks to toe their line.

Sometime, it is so astonishing hwo far this cancer spread. Bill Gates said something negative about Warren's wealth tax plan. That's it. Now he is the villain according madarchods of left liberal sh1t scums in media. So many articles attacking him that he is Trump supporter. A lot of friends suddenly read and claim they don't respect him any more. Why can't he pay 3% wealth tax? blah blah ... that is the power of these blackmailing filthy garbage.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sudarshan » 10 Nov 2019 05:58

fanne wrote:you can see some gents on this forum changing their tunes and being the loudest supporter - Not that I am complaining , NAMO hai to mumkin hai!!


Some have their hearts in the right places. The rest should be easy to detect. See, the anti-Modi narrative is shifting now to "he's tanking the economy!" So if any of the former gents try to push this narrative, that would be a give-away. Because this would be the opposite of what they were saying before, that "Vikas is not enough." Whereas the "economy going down in flames" narrative would be back to - "we need Vikas, not just core issues!"

I think I have an idea who would be making that switch.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby UlanBatori » 10 Nov 2019 07:14

The PIO application form did not require the applicant to mention the details of both his mother and father.


Is this true? Even "KYC" pharm for baink requires those.

Taseer did not mention his father’s name in the application form when he first applied for PIO status.

Not surprised. The Laws do not exist for some ppl, do they?

What happens if you neglect to mention a few traffic tickets on your Yoo Ess citjenship pharm, one wonders?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Suraj » 10 Nov 2019 07:34

The OCI forms are very clear that if your parent or grandparent were ever a citizen of TSP, you're not eligible for it. Most likely, Tavleen Singh or her son left the field for father blank. It's one of the first eligibility checks performed in the application online. If you mark yes there, it prevents you from applying. This restriction has been there from the start.

The fundamental problem here is that these restrictions are very clear, and that subsequent personal discord "Oh yes my dad is a Paki but I live with mom and she doesn't get along with him, besides he's been halaled" isn't a mitigating factor.

If at all I had to interact with the guy, I'd ask "are you familiar with the rules of eligibility for the OCI?" and follow that up with "what exactly did you enter in the field for father ?"

There are potentially several more people who may lose their OCIs. Some have asked "how can Adnan Sami be son of TSP war herrow and be Indian citizen but Aatish can't be OCI ?" That's because son of TSP war hero gave up his TSP citizenship to become Indian, while Tavleen's bacha is a British citizen with Paki fother.

He *can* become an Indian citizen too, but no, he wants to remain a British citizen AND keep his OCI while being ineligible for the latter.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Dileep » 10 Nov 2019 07:50

What I read is that he got his PIO automatically converted to OCI, which means he didn't apply for it when OCI was introduced. So, this automatic conversion would have let many such people in, since PIO eligibility requirements were different from that of OCI.

My son was born in USA while I was on H1B. He was eligible for (and got) PIO. But when OCI came later, some bright mind in Dilli Durbar had put in a condition that made him ineligible. Children born abroad to parents on work visa not eligible!!!

But he got in, since he had Indian passport for a short while. Most of others in same situation would have been ineligible for OCI and stuck with PIO.

I can't recall if PIO was allowed for people with paki parent. Assuming it was, there may be many others like this Atish guy who would have lost PIO and became ineligible for OCI.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby a_bharat » 10 Nov 2019 08:18

^^
You still have to go through the paper work. I had done this for my children when PIO was phased out.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby UlanBatori » 10 Nov 2019 08:48

Just as general advice based on hearing a few chilling declarations* inside high offices:
GOI giveth OCI and GOI can taketh away OCI. Nothing much can be done about that, so don't biss off GOI if u r OCI, is my advice.

*"He will die in a foreign land, he will never set foot in India again!" :eek:

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Dileep » 10 Nov 2019 09:32

True. Actually, falsifying OCI application is cause to deny future entry to the country. The law says so.

My bad!! How can someone even imagine the good old 'Sarkar Bahadur' would allow 'automagic conversion' of anything, without the customary application form in quadruplicate and fifteen copies of twenty one separate proofs attested by gazeted officer or notarized and counter signed by consulate!! Well, those are for us regular mortals I guess.

Actually, I would imagine that in the initial days of 'online services', some grey haired pan chewing babu ordered to have three copies of the application web page with the same information for the user to fill. Triplicate onlee.

The point is.. Shouldn't someone investigate how the guy got in and make sure that there are system checks that babus can't override.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Suraj » 10 Nov 2019 10:22

Indian nationality law has generally never allowed for a way around those who were or had ancestors who held TSP citizenship . This applies to both PIO and OCI. Even the eVisa is not given to TSP citizens . On Indiamike there are regular whines about ‘my appooppan was TSP citizen so big bad India harasses me and discriminates against me!!’

My guess remains that Aatish left the father field blank, and got away with it this far . Now he’s busy climbing on the nearest cross to play martyr . Sorry fella - when it comes to OCI all that matters is whether you filled your forms accurately - whether lying by omission or commission is irrelevant .

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 10 Nov 2019 10:32

Dileep wrote:True. Actually, falsifying OCI application is cause to deny future entry to the country. The law says so.

My bad!! How can someone even imagine the good old 'Sarkar Bahadur' would allow 'automagic conversion' of anything, without the customary application form in quadruplicate and fifteen copies of twenty one separate proofs attested by gazeted officer or notarized and counter signed by consulate!! Well, those are for us regular mortals I guess.

Actually, I would imagine that in the initial days of 'online services', some grey haired pan chewing babu ordered to have three copies of the application web page with the same information for the user to fill. Triplicate onlee.

The point is.. Shouldn't someone investigate how the guy got in and make sure that there are system checks that babus can't override.



she wilfully gamed the system right from the start and got away because of her lootyens membership and connections which for some time included the mafia queen. She is quite an accomplished name dropper.

Both, her ingrained entitledness and her low cunning have rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

she and her son are untruthfully projecting a visa crime they both committed as a deprivation of the son's Indian "citizenship", which BTW, the son never ever had.

He never was and nor is he now a citizen of India. WAPO and the toilet are both leading with similar headlines about taking away his citizenship.

too bad for these two lootyens goondas that they picked the wrong govt to tangle with.

If she was indeed the sole guardian to her son and allegedly had no connections with her paki impregnator, why hadn't she changed her son's name to something sikh sounding instead of the globally damning aatish ali taseer, liable to be and/or most likely to be cavity searched at many international airports.

something stinks in their contrived narrative.

It's also a warning to anti national "Indians" crapping on India using cross border platforms to vent their venomous bile using doctored narratives sponsored by the BIF.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 10 Nov 2019 12:44

^^
On the last bit ... must be seen as cumulative rather than ad-hocism by the current GOI

1. Denied American Senator(s) access to J&K
2. Facilitated European MEP access to J&K
3. Scraped the OCI (???) card to one Taseer

GOI is signalling that access to India/GOI is no more automatic but especially for people who habitually dump on India and distort facts on India to further a BIF narrative.

Next on the list must be academic who've had it easy so far. Came to India and dumped on it back home. If an American Senator can be denied, the rest are small fries in the scheme of things.

#YeDaarAachaHai

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Zynda » 10 Nov 2019 13:19

Whats funny is that no where this creep has admitted that he was in the wrong when it came to OCI application. In all the articles, he is playing the victim hood card and saying that the stripping was due to this article about NaMo on TIME.

Another funny thing is that apparently he wrote an article (probably in the same TIME) around when he got his GC that how he loves US and he wanted to get away from countries like India, Pak and he loves US because procedures, documentation is up held etc. Of course, being an entitled son in India means that same rules of improper documentation doesn't apply to him & his cabal.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 10 Nov 2019 15:45

Looks like Nitishwa has decided to test BJP in Maharashtra before formulating his own stance towards BJP in Bihar. Also, Prashant Kishor's unlimited appetite is on display.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/n ... Um6kM.html
Sena insiders say a major reason behind Thackeray’s aggression is his set of advisors, who include political strategist Prashant Kishor. “Of course, the post-poll situation is advantageous to Sena as BJP cannot form the government on its own, but Thackeray’s firm stand has made negotiating a power pact a tough task for BJP leaders,” said a senior Sena leader.

According to the leader, Thackeray has been seeking Kishor’s advice on how to deal with BJP. Besides, Thackeray’s son and Worli MLA, Aaditya, and his aides have been playing an important role in the election strategy too, after the results were announced. Aaditya’s aides, such as Varun Sardesai and Suraj Chavan, were involved in informal communication with BJP leaders, said the Sena leader.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rsatchi » 10 Nov 2019 16:28

Zynda wrote:Whats funny is that no where this creep has admitted that he was in the wrong when it came to OCI application. In all the articles, he is playing the victim hood card and saying that the stripping was due to this article about NaMo on TIME.

Another funny thing is that apparently he wrote an article (probably in the same TIME) around when he got his GC that how he loves US and he wanted to get away from countries like India, Pak and he loves US because procedures, documentation is up held etc. Of course, being an entitled son in India means that same rules of improper documentation doesn't apply to him & his cabal.

If as per Kushwanth S article he was named by Salman Taseer as AA Taseer and made sure the covenant with his god made(i.e., Pencil Sharpening) how the hell can he now claim victimhood. He did give wrong info. The law (and to a large extent worldwide) is stupid but it sure catches up when you least expect!!! :D

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 10 Nov 2019 16:54

Zynda wrote:Whats funny is that no where this creep has admitted that he was in the wrong when it came to OCI application. In all the articles, he is playing the victim hood card and saying that the stripping was due to this article about NaMo on TIME.

Another funny thing is that apparently he wrote an article (probably in the same TIME) around when he got his GC that how he loves US and he wanted to get away from countries like India, Pak and he loves US because procedures, documentation is up held etc. Of course, being an entitled son in India means that same rules of improper documentation doesn't apply to him & his cabal.


I think that around the same time he also pissed off the pakis and imran khan niazi by writing an article about him in the vanity fair.

This bumboy seems to have a death wish.

no wonder that he scooted to safety from the sunny isles of sharia bartania

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 10 Nov 2019 17:24

the muslims, the britshits, the commies, naxals and conversion jehadi BIF have been following the "broken window" theory to constantly vilify, demean, distort and abuse the Hindus and Hinduism.

They have reached such a stage that they refuse to accept the SC verdict that has proved that indeed there was a (very conveniently worded!!) "non islamic structure" underneath the babri mosque.

they are also now slyly pushing the canard that the so called non islamic structure may have already been in ruins before some joker called mir baqi, a wandering moghul general chanced upon it and in a sudden fit, an uncontrollable urge, so to say, to build a mosque atop these very ruins seized him and he then piously did his islamic duty.


This is the only article that chronicles the civilizational pain and unshakeable determination of the Hindus to evict these scoundrels from a temple they had usurped and destroyed half a millennia ago.


Why Didn’t Hindus Give Up Ram Mandir?



Why Didn’t Hindus Give Up Ram Mandir?

What do you say of a people who carry on a movement over a piece of land for over half a millennium? What explains that they neither forgot nor any amount of atrocities made them give up their claims on the land?

r.mitra@indiafacts.org' Rajat Mitra
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What do you say of a people who carry on a movement over a piece of land for over half a millennium? What explains that they neither forgot nor any amount of atrocities made them give up their claims on the land? That Mughal rule, Colonial rule, oppression and genocidal violence had no deterrence to their hope that one day they will regain it back.

The Ram Mandir perhaps is the only example in human history when a people struggled and fought for a period of over five hundred years to regain a piece of land from their invaders who had destroyed one of their holiest spots and thought they had exterminated their religion.

The Hindus simply didn’t give up. They didn’t accept defeat in the face of overwhelming odds, most important when their own historians were not on their side. Even though they felt discouraged and heartbroken during the long Mughal and Colonial rule when power was not in their hands, invaders who tried to exterminate their religion and their civilization, they held on tenaciously to their symbols of hope and never let despair overtake them. How do we explain it?

Welcome to the new Hindu. A one who is emerging from the ashes of history, from the dark woods of despair as the poets called it. He is claiming his human rights that were taken away from him. It is a spirit that I would call unparalleled in the history of mankind. Mocked and persecuted like a slave, told that he is a savage and no better, intolerant and cruel, he today proved everyone wrong with their prophecies falling to the dust. Has the time finally come for the Hindu and his civilization to assert himself?

I believe so and I am not the only one who dreams like that today. I believe we symbolize one of the most valuable lessons to mankind and that is to never give up hope.

The Hindu has gone through a genocidal violence that almost exterminated his existence. It is denied by the world. Period. He has been enslaved, tortured and brutalized where his Islamic and Christian invaders tried to annihilate his civilization. It is a miracle how he adapted and navigated through all those hardships and adversities. After centuries of oppression, he is finally telling the world why he continued to resist untill his last breath in the face of historical oppression.

To me, the credit for the verdict on Ram Janma Bhumi goes to the unknown Hindu. The unknown ‘kar sevak’ who braved bullets, the sadhus who bore the lathis, the unknown man from the village who saved money to send a brick for the temple. It is they who kept the flame of the movement alive, hoping for the day when Shri Ram will be restored to his birthplace.

The temple when it is built will represent and stand for much more than a temple. It will be a monument to man’s courage in the face of religious persecution. It will bring hope to generations who may feel despondent about their oppression. It will be a symbol for the persecuted minorities and majorities worldwide to struggle and regain their lost heritage. To all Hindus barring a few, it will be a symbol of devotion, hope, and resilience.

To some it may become a symbol of shame, that is if they have that in the first place, an atonement, a reminder of what they ought to have done being a Hindu but never did so. They were the ones who distorted history, fought against the truth of the excavations.

The Hindu society has come a long way since the first temples were destroyed by the Islamic invaders centuries ago. Our society has been in grief, traversing from denial to rage to bargaining and rationalization as Elizabeth Kubler Ross explained it half a century ago in explaining her stages of grief. The grief has made the Hindu society stronger, more resilient and able to withstand the adversities that colonialism, persecution, and atrocities bring along with it.

It is time we acknowledge this resilience in our own. It runs in our blood and bones. We may have a thousand faults in ourselves as people, some real, some imaginary, but we need to still tell ourselves, our children and our future generations that we are a people who simply don’t give up when faced with obstacles. That there are very few people like us possibly with the exception of Jewish people. That our Vedas, our books have left something permanent, a residue, however small, within us that psychologically prepares us, ready to bounce back with each fall despite a thousand obstacles that may come in the way. It didn’t make us feel conceited and egoistic, but perhaps a little naive that we fail to acknowledge the greatness of our civilization that our ancestors created and one that may be forgotten.

What is unique about the Ram Janma Bhumi site? I believe one of the things that set it apart from any other place is that apart from the birthplace of Sri Ram, it is a sacred space with a memory that didn’t die and showed it can never be destroyed.

Many years ago I had gone and knelt in front of the Ram Janma Bhoomi. A strange feeling had taken over me. It was as if the space was telling me ‘I don’t have to justify my existence to you or anyone. I am there in your heart. It is you, who have to justify the sacrifice of those who died in my name’.

In that moment, I felt it was as if the space just didn’t tell me the story of a temple destroyed but the entire story of Hinduism.

I had realized what the ancient Hindus, my ancestors would have felt hundreds of years ago before their temples were destroyed, before they began to live in terror feeling the threat of conversion.

The Ram Janma Bhumi trial apart from one of the longest-running trials of history is also important for another reason. It represents a crime against humanity, a genocidal crime whose purpose was to erase the very existence of a people, their religion and culture. The tragic fact is it continues through other methods today in the form of mass conversions and the building of numerous religious structures that do not preach co-existence between faiths.

Many years ago I had visited a concentration camp in Germany. Outside the gate, there was a sign written ‘never again’. Showing me a large number of school children, my guide told me it was meant for the future generations so that no one ever dares to do it again. Should we also not have museums next door? Should we not create a memorial to the unknown ‘kar sevak’ who gave his life? Maybe only then it will tell our children the true story of what it means to uphold our freedom. Shouldn’t Ram temple, Somnath temple be the places where history should be taught to all our children so that they begin to say ‘never again’?

‘Never Again’ may be two most important words that we need to learn if we have to preserve our civilization. I ask that we start teaching it to our future generations.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 10 Nov 2019 17:57

pankajs wrote:Looks like Nitishwa has decided to test BJP in Maharashtra before formulating his own stance towards BJP in Bihar. Also, Prashant Kishor's unlimited appetite is on display.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/n ... Um6kM.html
Sena insiders say a major reason behind Thackeray’s aggression is his set of advisors, who include political strategist Prashant Kishor. “Of course, the post-poll situation is advantageous to Sena as BJP cannot form the government on its own, but Thackeray’s firm stand has made negotiating a power pact a tough task for BJP leaders,” said a senior Sena leader.

According to the leader, Thackeray has been seeking Kishor’s advice on how to deal with BJP. Besides, Thackeray’s son and Worli MLA, Aaditya, and his aides have been playing an important role in the election strategy too, after the results were announced. Aaditya’s aides, such as Varun Sardesai and Suraj Chavan, were involved in informal communication with BJP leaders, said the Sena leader.


both the master and the attack dog are mercenaries. Both are actively working against the Modi govt.

why and how has the BJP allowed these termites to grow in their bosom.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rsatchi » 10 Nov 2019 18:46

chetak wrote:
Dileep wrote:True. Actually, falsifying OCI application is cause to deny future entry to the country. The law says so.

My bad!! How can someone even imagine the good old 'Sarkar Bahadur' would allow 'automagic conversion' of anything, without the customary application form in quadruplicate and fifteen copies of twenty one separate proofs attested by gazeted officer or notarized and counter signed by consulate!! Well, those are for us regular mortals I guess.

Actually, I would imagine that in the initial days of 'online services', some grey haired pan chewing babu ordered to have three copies of the application web page with the same information for the user to fill. Triplicate onlee.

The point is.. Shouldn't someone investigate how the guy got in and make sure that there are system checks that babus can't override.



she wilfully gamed the system right from the start and got away because of her lootyens membership and connections which for some time included the mafia queen. She is quite an accomplished name dropper.

Both, her ingrained entitledness and her low cunning have rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

she and her son are untruthfully projecting a visa crime they both committed as a deprivation of the son's Indian "citizenship", which BTW, the son never ever had.

He never was and nor is he now a citizen of India. WAPO and the toilet are both leading with similar headlines about taking away his citizenship.

too bad for these two lootyens goondas that they picked the wrong govt to tangle with.

If she was indeed the sole guardian to her son and allegedly had no connections with her paki impregnator, why hadn't she changed her son's name to something sikh sounding instead of the globally damning aatish ali taseer, liable to be and/or most likely to be cavity searched at many international airports.

something stinks in their contrived narrative.

It's also a warning to anti national "Indians" crapping on India using cross border platforms to vent their venomous bile using doctored narratives sponsored by the BIF.

If she really wanted her son to be indian she shouldn't have gone to LONDON for giving 'birth'
She should have stayed back in India and done all she claims to have done with less fanfare.
Eg, Nina Gupta never asked Viv for anything did she.
Only now Viv has acknowledged and the girl (still a proud Indian has no rancour with the biological father and not whining either!!)
All this sense of entitlement, names dropping calling the HM what the ….. dah!!!
This is one reason I always had high regard for the late Shushmaji ( the real people's minister) ever approachable for a common man

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rsatchi » 10 Nov 2019 18:53

https://www.news18.com/news/india/mahar ... 80673.html
On a slightly different nature is it time to call the bluff!!!
Enough of the SS nonsense
SS calling Modiji a 'H.....' should also look at what 'SS' as a symbol represented!!! in those times :eek:

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 10 Nov 2019 18:58

^^
You forgot to post the main news in the link that you posted but got sidetracked by secondary issues.

Nov 10, 2019 6:09 pm (IST)

BJP Won't Form Govt: Chandrakant Patil | Maharashtra BJP chief Chandrakant Patil says, "Despite the mandate with the alliance with Shiv Sena, we will not form government. The Shiv Sena wants to insult the people's mandate. We have conveyed to the atte Governor that we will not form the state government."


Nov 10, 2019 6:14 pm (IST)

'Sena Can Form Govt With Congress' | Maharashtra BJP chief Chandrakant Patil says that If the Shiv Sena wants to form the government in Maharashtra in alliance with the Congress, it can go ahead. "They have our blessing," he said.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 10 Nov 2019 20:56

Maharashtra Govt Formation LIVE Updates: Governor invites Shiv Sena to stake claim; NCP says saffron party must cut ties with BJP



SS and its political morals

Image

and now it will go tamely, hat in hand and tail between its legs to the same congis because of its lust for power.
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Tanaji » 10 Nov 2019 20:59

chetak wrote:


this is blackmail, plain and simple.


True, but it takes two to blackmail, the blackmailer and the victim. Thankfully, by refusing to form the government BJP has refused to be blackmailed.
Quite frankly, this is an ego clash on both sides since the past 30 years. Right from the start the alliance was done under BT, it was winner take all: whoever gets the biggest seat got the CM chair, and that party never cared for what its junior partner thought. This was true when SS formed the government in 1995 and did not pay heed to BJP and is the case when DF formed the government in 2014 or so. The SS of 1995 is a far cry from now, just as the BJP is today under Modi/AS. UT has gotten rid of the old guard such as Manohar Joshi and others and is now advised by people who dont quite live in reality. These characters along with DF have taken maximal positions from which neither can back down without loss of face.

The SS will form a government me thinks, but it wont last more than a year or two. Lets see if they formally exit the NDA as it will be strange to be in it at Centre and outside in State. BJP will lose LS seats at least 10-12 in the next elections ...

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Postby pankajs » 10 Nov 2019 21:12

^^
Agree except.

1. BJP will gain at the cost of CON & SS overall. No worries on that count.
2. DF did not act independently. Me thinks the offer to SS in the previous term and this time is with the blessings of Modi/Shah duo.

SS, NCP and CON are parties of nearly equal weight. Their competing agenda, interests, egos and lust for power/money will be fun to watch. May be AT will get the CM's chair but the party, as you rightly noted, will not last long.

BTW, Don't discount that old fox Pawar. One never knows what his game is. On balance, if the alliance does occur, both BJP and NCP will gain at the expense of SS and CON.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Tanaji » 10 Nov 2019 21:44

@pankajs:

There is no sufficiently influential Congress leader on the horizon in Maharashtra. The NCP does have those, at least in their strongholds. Furthermore BJP made tactical mistakes by allowing dubious characters to join the party and furthermore give them a ticket. These will desert. Secondly, the farmer crisis is still dire, and their expectations are even more. No government will be able to meet those expectations, but opposing parties will pump it up. The Sena as it did in 1995-2000 will completely bankrupt the treasury in a year by both graft and handing out freebies, especially in the interior.

in fact, this the gameplan of Sanjay Raut and UT: use this one year to get a financial boost to the party and its image and then go in for elections immediately after.

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Postby CRamS » 10 Nov 2019 21:56

Vayutuvan wrote:
CRamS wrote:... puke worthy tweet of the day was a video I saw on Twitter posted by that Fox news Bimbo, now state dept mouthpiece, ...

Link to the tweet please.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1193151679337766916

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 10 Nov 2019 22:07

Tanaji wrote:@pankajs:

There is no sufficiently influential Congress leader on the horizon in Maharashtra. The NCP does have those, at least in their strongholds. Furthermore BJP made tactical mistakes by allowing dubious characters to join the party and furthermore give them a ticket. These will desert. Secondly, the farmer crisis is still dire, and their expectations are even more. No government will be able to meet those expectations, but opposing parties will pump it up. The Sena as it did in 1995-2000 will completely bankrupt the treasury in a year by both graft and handing out freebies, especially in the interior.

in fact, this the gameplan of Sanjay Raut and UT: use this one year to get a financial boost to the party and its image and then go in for elections immediately after.


there was a malicious campaign to paint the fadnavis govt as anti maratha.

It was to counter this canard that the BJP let these guys in

People forget that fadnavis was the guy who single handedly got the maratha quota for them.

let's wait and see how things go.

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Postby CRamS » 10 Nov 2019 22:13

Guys, very disappointing, but an able CM like Devender Fadnavis and BJP have been cheated out of power in Maha. I hope SS thugs are taught a lesson for this. Just see the abomination that will come to power: Pappu, SS, and NCP. A bunch of thugs, traitors, and dynasty. Well I guess the Maha people get what they deserve by not giving BJP a clear victory.

One thing Maha and Haryana elections have shown. I doubt any political analyst in India really knows the true pulse of the people. In the run up to the election up until counting day, everyone, all and sundry, except possibly that India Today team, predicted that in Maha, not only will BJP+SS romp home, but BJP itself will cross the half way mark. That would have thrown SS into the dustbin of history where they belong, but instead what we have seen is that SS and NCP have made a come back.

What do gurus think about Pappu and slaves being part of a 'communal', 'fascist' SS govt? Will that hurt them among Muslim voters in Jharkand and elsewhere? Or is politics such a dirty sport that Pappu's slaves will spin a mighty web before the Muslim voters in Jharkand, and those voters will forget and forgive.

Viewed strictly from a 'politics is a dirrty sport' PoV, not a bad strategy by Pappu's slaves and NCP to take on the BJP juggernaut. What will Amit Shah and Co's response gambit be? BJP-hating political anal-ysts are salivating that this is the beginning of the end of Amit Shah's magic.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 10 Nov 2019 23:17

watch video


twitter


Listen to what Balasaheb Thackeray had said when he was asked about doing an alliance with NCP.


https://twitter.com/darshanpathak/status/1193569414735527936

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby syam » 10 Nov 2019 23:25

this will make things go down faster. it looks like they can't continue running shivsena show any longer and want to cash in whatever they got now.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 10 Nov 2019 23:26

twitter


I had once heard a Maharashtra political commentator sum up Maharashtra politics in the following couplet
"Ahmi sarv bhau, sarv milun khau"
That's the bottom line of Maharashtra politics. That's why Fadnavis is not liked by many, including in his own party

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KJo » 10 Nov 2019 23:34

Former Chief Election Commissioner TN Seshan (called Alsation by many) passes away at his residence in Chennai.
He reformed elections in India and got parties to not dirty up cities with posters.
Hari Om.
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby CRamS » 10 Nov 2019 23:35

Can you translate that ChetakJi? Fadnavis is not liked by many? Does that mean we could see a bizarre situation where BJP MLAs might vote in favor of the SS thugs? Wow, if so, politics gets even viler.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby CRamS » 10 Nov 2019 23:40

Guys, if only my wishes were horses, beggars would ride. I mean this clown Navjot Sidhu would have faced universal opprobrium across length and breadth of India, but I can guarantee, he has support among many Congoons not to mention many Sikhs. And would Pakis not be laughing its ass off at this impotent rage by Sambit Patra. I say BJP should have just ignored Sidhu. Of course, there is no way MEA could have denied the permission he sought to visit TSP as per his demands, because he would have claimed victim-hood and rabble roused Sikhs against Indian govt, but at least BJP should have ignored him post that IMO

https://www.hindustantimes.com/videos/i ... QJfYL.html

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 10 Nov 2019 23:44

CRamS wrote:Can you translate that ChetakJi? Fadnavis is not liked by many? Does that mean we could see a bizarre situation where BJP MLAs might vote in favor of the SS thugs? Wow, if so, politics gets even viler.



Hazarding a guess, CRamS ji

marathi is my wife's strong suit. :)

I think that roughly it means, "We are all brothers, we get together and all of us eat" or nearly thereabouts.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Patni » 10 Nov 2019 23:48

"Ahmi sarv bhau, sarv milun khau" translates to " we are all brothers, we will all collaborate as one in looting public money and being corrupt"

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rsatchi » 10 Nov 2019 23:56

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 995951.cms
Now so much for SS conditions to form government with BJP
They are getting their own back?? :D
So they have to now specify that they are not with NDA and withdraw their Minister from the cabinet to be able to form the government in MH
In future scenario how will this affect BJP in MH
NCP+Cong+SS+MNS will they be able to form a mahagatbhandan against BJP
I know they all have inherent fault lines and core voter
how will they react to this unholy alliance for sheer greed and hunger for power!!
And also the hindu votes from this alliance will they transfer to BJP given the RJB verdict?? 8)
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