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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ArjunPandit » 12 Nov 2019 00:29

^^ dont you think that in the priority of fires to douse (read wb, kerela, TN) this one is still comes later...

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby CRamS » 12 Nov 2019 00:45

One thing that irritates me and inarticulate loud-mouths pro-BJP spokesman like Geeta Bhat are unable to answer is this. All those who are laughing at BJP ask why is BJP hypocritical pointing to ideological difference between SS and Congoons + NCP, when BJP formed alliance with PDP "just to grab power'. This is total BS. BJP did not form alliance with PDP for 'grabbing power'. They did it because J&K is a sensitive state and were hoping to turn things around by moderating PDP. Unfortunately, the PDP traitors were dancing to ISI tunes, and BJP broke off alliance. Where is the comparison, I don't know.


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Postby CRamS » 12 Nov 2019 00:52

Ulan, I completely disagree. Fandavis is a fantastic leader. Its unfair to compare him and BJP with the rest of the rif raff.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 12 Nov 2019 01:02

pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/IamIconoclast/status/1193811375522369536
Chintamani @IamIconoclast

Tiger with tail between legs: Uddhav Thackeray who would expect even Modi and Amit Shah to come to Matoshree went to have lunch with Sharad Pawar at a 5 star hotel!! What next - agree to Islamic State in Maharashtra?

Many folks noted this strange behavior BUT it also proved their downfall. AS used UT's own ego against him and pushed him on the path to destruction.


what if the NCP still offers the CM's post to UT.

What if all three, NCP, Congi and SS have a very rosy and an iceberg type of common minimum program where 9/10th of the iceberg is below the surface and invisible to the gullible public while only the very visible 1/10 part of the CMP is like god's gift to humanity, only much better, all beautifully packaged, just for the sake of PR.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 12 Nov 2019 01:14

CRamS wrote:One thing that irritates me and inarticulate loud-mouths pro-BJP spokesman like Geeta Bhat are unable to answer is this. All those who are laughing at BJP ask why is BJP hypocritical pointing to ideological difference between SS and Congoons + NCP, when BJP formed alliance with PDP "just to grab power'. This is total BS. BJP did not form alliance with PDP for 'grabbing power'. They did it because J&K is a sensitive state and were hoping to turn things around by moderating PDP. Unfortunately, the PDP traitors were dancing to ISI tunes, and BJP broke off alliance. Where is the comparison, I don't know.


another version goes that the BJP did it because they were able to get into the govt to access and read all the files and prepare a solid ground for the removal of art 370 and 35A and also to ferret and root out all the hidden from the public misuse of govt privilege, especially those profiting cashmeri politicos.

and when done, they pulled the plug in the most unexpected way.

mehbooba is a known jehadi of long standing who was barely reigned in and kept in check because of her more cautious father.

with the father gone, mehbooba was unshackled and she started playing up her paki preferences and poisonous agenda.

her crass and uncouth pro paki behavior rubbed many in her own party the wrong way.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 12 Nov 2019 01:19

SS/NCP/CON should try that just for fun. As far I am concerned the end result will still be the same i.e chaos in the alliance. Will the SS, in company of NCP/CON, denounce it own hand in the destruction of the Babri structure? Or will they participate in building the new RJB Ram Mandir?

There are so many flip-flops that SS and CON will have to make that it will look ridiculous and destroy all their credibility. That is what the end game per BJP/NCP is.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby dsreedhar » 12 Nov 2019 01:24

CRamS wrote:One thing that irritates me and inarticulate loud-mouths pro-BJP spokesman like Geeta Bhat are unable to answer is this. All those who are laughing at BJP ask why is BJP hypocritical pointing to ideological difference between SS and Congoons + NCP, when BJP formed alliance with PDP "just to grab power'. This is total BS. BJP did not form alliance with PDP for 'grabbing power'. They did it because J&K is a sensitive state and were hoping to turn things around by moderating PDP. Unfortunately, the PDP traitors were dancing to ISI tunes, and BJP broke off alliance. Where is the comparison, I don't know.


Absolutely. It is not for power grab but to get a say n some control in the govt of a sensitive state.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby syam » 12 Nov 2019 01:27

Let's check the numbers,
56(ss)+54(ncp)+44(con) = 154
105(bjp)+15(others) = 120

not looking good for the alliance. atleast 10 guys will jump the ship. my alt theory is, ncp through their moles, wooed ss. both thought they can form gov with con support. con also played along and made necessary sounds. in last minute, it gave hand. lol. . every one played politics.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 12 Nov 2019 01:30

BTW, one funny thing I have observed on the forum and the SM is that NO one, including myself, is talking about the credibility of NCP getting destroyed by the unholy alliance of SS/NCP/CON.

Why? What is the secret of the pawarful hanji?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rudradev » 12 Nov 2019 01:46

pankajs wrote:BTW, one funny thing I have observed on the forum and the SM is that NO one, including myself, is talking about the credibility of NCP getting destroyed by the unholy alliance of SS/NCP/CON.

Why? What is the secret of the pawarful hanji?


I think it's as simple as this: nobody, ever, has voted for Sharad Pawar on the basis of his allegiance to any ideology. The only reason anyone ever had to support him was that he would scratch their back in exchange. So he has no use for appearing to be ideologically consistent. He could be Hindutvavadi one day and borderline Marxist the next day and appease Muslims the third day and everyone knew it was all BS... as long as his network of patronage and influence was thought to be credible, and his ability to deliver favours in exchange for bribes was seen as dependable, that was all he ever needed.

Compare with Pappu CON (trying to be the great sickular hope) and SS (projecting themselves as a regional Hindutva alternative). Those two parties have a lot more riding on the credibility of their ideological claims.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 12 Nov 2019 01:54

Rudradev wrote:
pankajs wrote:BTW, one funny thing I have observed on the forum and the SM is that NO one, including myself, is talking about the credibility of NCP getting destroyed by the unholy alliance of SS/NCP/CON.

Why? What is the secret of the pawarful hanji?


I think it's as simple as this: nobody, ever, has voted for Sharad Pawar on the basis of his allegiance to any ideology. The only reason anyone ever had to support him was that he would scratch their back in exchange. So he has no use for appearing to be ideologically consistent. He could be Hindutvavadi one day and borderline Marxist the next day and appease Muslims the third day and everyone knew it was all BS... as long as his network of patronage and influence was thought to be credible, and his ability to deliver favours in exchange for bribes was seen as dependable, that was all he ever needed.

Compare with Pappu CON (trying to be the great sickular hope) and SS (projecting themselves as a regional Hindutva alternative). Those two parties have a lot more riding on the credibility of their ideological claims.

Perfectly articulated.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Tanaji » 12 Nov 2019 02:05

I think people are enjoying schadenfraude a bit too soon. This is Pawars game and the aim is maximum mileage for himself. He knows that due to maximal positions adopted by SS he has their parts in his hands. By delaying NCP gets to call the shots: there is nothing stopping them from saying to Sena that they can have the CM chair but every other important post will go to NCP or Congress. Note that this is exactly what happened the last time Congress CM was in Maharashtra: NCP had more seats albeit by one or two than Congress but they offered the post to Congress. The important posts went to NCP and that is exactly how the massive irrigation scam happened.

A similar thing will happen now. NCP will offer the CM post to SS. UT will get a face saving measure but the controls will be with Pawar. Congress is just along for the ride with external support.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Tanaji » 12 Nov 2019 02:09

CRamS wrote:Ulan, I completely disagree. Fandavis is a fantastic leader. Its unfair to compare him and BJP with the rest of the rif raff.


He ran a very arrogant campaign saying there is no opposition except him and I will be back type of comments.

People have an issue with DF on basis of caste. Maratha community has had a stranglehold on the CM post for the longest time. Now when a high caste like DF takes over it is bound to cause stomach upsets...

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby syam » 12 Nov 2019 02:32

Ok. One positive thing I am seeing here. If DF becomes free, he can be good finance minister at center. #DFForFM.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 12 Nov 2019 02:36

syam wrote:Let's check the numbers,
56(ss)+54(ncp)+44(con) = 154
105(bjp)+15(others) = 120

not looking good for the alliance. atleast 10 guys will jump the ship. my alt theory is, ncp through their moles, wooed ss. both thought they can form gov with con support. con also played along and made necessary sounds. in last minute, it gave hand. lol. . every one played politics.


after white vaisty's tihar sojourn, all bets are off.

Many gasbags, big bang, phone wielding, speed dialling dilli lawyers are very very quiet.

Squarely in the crosshairs of the sniper scope are several prominent personages from both the congis and NCP. Some court-mandated FIRs have already been filed.

So, right now, for anyone except the BJP forming the govt in MAH, it may turn out to be quite injurious to their collective health.

the BJP has successfully managed to get UT, of his own free will, to commit political suicide, publicly, and for the lust of power.

UT and AT who died politically yesterday, still do not know for sure who, in reality, owned the knife and who really stabbed them both in the back. They did not even see it coming

one thing has now been proven beyond all shadow of a doubt.

Fadvanis is not a liar.

For the BJP. their biggest problem is gone. Rumours are flying fast and thick that the SS may split and a big chunk may side with the BJP.

the only power that UT now has left is his letter of support.

Will he give it or will he not give it to the NCP and on that piece of paper is written his political future or just maybe even the lack of it.

mere numbers like 56(ss)+54(ncp)+44(con) = 154 do not even begin to describe the actual picture on the ground.

The BJP will cast a long shadow on all the events unfolding today.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby syam » 12 Nov 2019 02:55

chetak wrote:UT and AT who died politically yesterday, still do not know for sure who, in reality, owned the knife and who really stabbed them both in the back. They did not even see it coming

+1008. the best lines I read today. It should be written on ss memorial.

ss behavior reminded me of cbn, momata desperate antics. It's like some weird creature getting exposed to sun first time and getting burnt to death in seconds kicking and screaming. these creatures not getting food for last 5 years. only surviving under the shadow of narayana. the minute they step out, they simply getting burnt..explains the crazed way they behave. these guys gone mad without food.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 12 Nov 2019 03:47

Let's not write their obituary yet. These $cums can go to any extent.

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India's main opposition, the Indian National Congress, opens office in Turkey, appoints a representative to boost bilateral relations... This came right after Turkey extended its support to Pakistan at the United Nations post abrogation of Article 370?
https://t.co/P0r3mazwIl?amp=1


something very sinister is being planned by Italian kutti/Turkey/Pakis and SS gang is back stabbed India at the same time

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ramana » 12 Nov 2019 03:49

syam wrote:
chetak wrote:UT and AT who died politically yesterday, still do not know for sure who, in reality, owned the knife and who really stabbed them both in the back. They did not even see it coming

+1008. the best lines I read today. It should be written on ss memorial.

ss behavior reminded me of cbn, momata desperate antics. It's like some weird creature getting exposed to sun first time and getting burnt to death in seconds kicking and screaming. these creatures not getting food for last 5 years. only surviving under the shadow of narayana. the minute they step out, they simply getting burnt..explains the crazed way they behave. these guys gone mad without food.



Could have replied to many but this is the last one and captures things.

SS is a dual party of Maharashtra Hindutvas and basically modern day Pindaris.

This allows the MH to leave SS with the Pindaris.
Meantime NCP has its own dynamic between beti and nephew.
Fox has to guard his own lair.

Sonaiji has her own issues as the Muslim MPs who gave here a mandate in Kerala will not be happy with aligning with SS.
So she has to tread a fine line.
Support NCP but not SS for CM!

So while these sideshows are going on, clearly UT has been shown the door and basically destroyed the legacy of BT.
This SS is not the one of yore.
No one has sympathy for UT.

Next SS will lose BBMC cash cow.
And a whole lot of municipalities.

BJP is now shorn of pseudo Hindutva allies who were getting a free ride in the states.
The first was Naidu who after losing his power is seen in photos advising UT!!!

Syam you got that right about Naidu for that is exact template SS was following.

Basically Maharashtra was a quadrilateral. Now one of the corners is destroyed.
Here INC and NCP will try to fight for this corner while the MH will exit to BJP.


I think Nitesh in Bihar will start worrying now.

The 100K feet view is Indian polity is all towards Hindutva.
So then what are these regional coat tail hangers on bringing to the table.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ramana » 12 Nov 2019 03:51

vijayk wrote:Let's not write their obituary yet. These $cums can go to any extent.

Amit Malviya
@amitmalviya

India's main opposition, the Indian National Congress, opens office in Turkey, appoints a representative to boost bilateral relations... This came right after Turkey extended its support to Pakistan at the United Nations post abrogation of Article 370?
https://t.co/P0r3mazwIl?amp=1


something very sinister is being planned by Italian kutti/Turkey/Pakis and SS gang is back stabbed India at the same time



The news report is exaggerated. Its the Overseas wing of the Congress party opening and outpost in Turkey.
Not the Congress itself.
Most likely its a off shore banking haven.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ramana » 12 Nov 2019 03:57




Jaundiced drivel.

Not worth the paper on which its printed.

Typical Telugu nonsense.
Can't appreciate a Telugu leader properly.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby UlanBatori » 12 Nov 2019 04:27

Not at all OT here: needs to be publicized widely as the true history of Free India and esp. Maharashtra. Reminds people as they really are. One of the most most uplifting movies I have ever seen.

They said Jhoota not Chor but same thing.

ladies and gentleman, brothers and sisters
hindi me mahilaao aur sajjano, bhaaiyo aur bahano
suno-suno meri baat dhyaan se suno
wo jhutha hai vote na usko dena
wo jhutha hai vote na usko dena
not bhi de to vote na usko dena
ham karte hai sewa, wo khaata hai mewa
ham karte hai sewa, wo khaata hai mewa
tauba, naam na uska lena
wo jhutha hai vote na usko dena, bolo
wo jhutha hai vote na usko dena

ye jo apna leader hai, sher nahi wo gidad hai
chhup ke rishawat khaata hai, roz cinema jaata hai
roz cinema jaata hai
ye jo apna leader hai, sher nahi wo gidad hai
chhup ke rishawat khaata hai, roz cinema jaata hai
achchhaa, haan
choro ka baraati, wo nahi apna saathi
uska saath na dena
wo jhutha hai vote na usko dena
wo jhutha hai vote na usko dena

aamcha hai na tumcha hai, ye maalik ka chamcha hai
ji haan ji haan karta hai, ye paise pe marta hai
ye paise pe marta hai
aamcha hai na tumcha hai, ye maalik ka chamcha hai
ji haan ji haan karta hai, ye paise pe marta hai
are baap re bada chor hai, haan
ye milate hi mauqa de jaayegaa dhokha
phir hamse na kehna
wo jhutha hai vote na usko dena, haan
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 12 Nov 2019 04:40

Tanaji wrote:I think people are enjoying schadenfraude a bit too soon. This is Pawars game and the aim is maximum mileage for himself. He knows that due to maximal positions adopted by SS he has their parts in his hands. By delaying NCP gets to call the shots: there is nothing stopping them from saying to Sena that they can have the CM chair but every other important post will go to NCP or Congress. Note that this is exactly what happened the last time Congress CM was in Maharashtra: NCP had more seats albeit by one or two than Congress but they offered the post to Congress. The important posts went to NCP and that is exactly how the massive irrigation scam happened.

A similar thing will happen now. NCP will offer the CM post to SS. UT will get a face saving measure but the controls will be with Pawar. Congress is just along for the ride with external support.

I at least am enjoying the show not because I expect things to collapse today but the game BJP/NCP are playing to weaken SS/CON.

Infact, in my past posts, my message for SS is to go for an alliance with NCP/CON because, to my way of thinking, they have no leverage left with BJP after having walked out on them. They will get treated as a doormat by the NCP and the BJP but will get a better deal with the NCP, perhaps even the CM's chair. Infact, I am waiting eagerly for their common minimum program agreement as noted in multiple past posts.

Btw, per turdesai/India Today TV, it is CON that failed the SS by not giving the support letter today. Tomorrow is a new day with new possibilities. I am looking forward to it.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby SBajwa » 12 Nov 2019 05:26

after bringing Mayawati, Akhilesh yadav, Laloo yadav, Kumarswamy and Chandrababu naidu down now Congress eyes Udhav Thakrey!!!

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby SBajwa » 12 Nov 2019 05:31

chetak wrote:
syam wrote:Let's check the numbers,
56(ss)+54(ncp)+44(con) = 154
105(bjp)+15(others) = 120

not looking good for the alliance. atleast 10 guys will jump the ship. my alt theory is, ncp through their moles, wooed ss. both thought they can form gov with con support. con also played along and made necessary sounds. in last minute, it gave hand. lol. . every one played politics.


after white vaisty's tihar sojourn, all bets are off.

Many gasbags, big bang, phone wielding, speed dialling dilli lawyers are very very quiet.

Squarely in the crosshairs of the sniper scope are several prominent personages from both the congis and NCP. Some court-mandated FIRs have already been filed.

So, right now, for anyone except the BJP forming the govt in MAH, it may turn out to be quite injurious to their collective health.

the BJP has successfully managed to get UT, of his own free will, to commit political suicide, publicly, and for the lust of power.

UT and AT who died politically yesterday, still do not know for sure who, in reality, owned the knife and who really stabbed them both in the back. They did not even see it coming

one thing has now been proven beyond all shadow of a doubt.

Fadvanis is not a liar.

For the BJP. their biggest problem is gone. Rumours are flying fast and thick that the SS may split and a big chunk may side with the BJP.

the only power that UT now has left is his letter of support.

Will he give it or will he not give it to the NCP and on that piece of paper is written his political future or just maybe even the lack of it.

mere numbers like 56(ss)+54(ncp)+44(con) = 154 do not even begin to describe the actual picture on the ground.

The BJP will cast a long shadow on all the events unfolding today.



I think Raj Thackrey (Nephew of Bal Thackrey) could become a real leader in Maharashtra if he decides to join BJP. He has a huge potential.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby nachiket » 12 Nov 2019 05:37

On the question of idelogical differences between SS and Cong, one thing to understand is that regardless of their other differences, the ideologies of SS, Cong and NCP all align perfectly when it comes to the most important bit in Indian politics - that of corruption and loot. All other considerations and past conflicts can be set aside if there is a chance of carrying out enormous loot and plunder (like there is in MH).

This is exactly what is being attempted. SS's troublesome past of "communal politics" including involvement in the babri-masjid demolition, and numerous past statements against Congis by BT (including calling them "eunuchs who bow in front of Sonia Gandhi") can be conveniently forgotten by the thekedaar's of pseudo-secularism as long as Pawar and the Italian family can benefit financially. No one in the MSM are likely to call them out on it delirious as they will be seeing BJP's defeat. Same with SS who have shown no shame in becoming the same "eunuchs" that BT spoke of :lol: .

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Vayutuvan » 12 Nov 2019 05:58

INC doesn't have many sources of income now a din. This will be their golden goose or kamadhenu.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby nachiket » 12 Nov 2019 06:04

Vayutuvan wrote:INC doesn't have many sources of income now a din. This will be their golden goose or kamadhenu.

Their sources of income have improved since the victories in MP, CG and Rajasthan, but Maharashtra is a huge cash-cow like no other although the congis will have to share it with the rapacious Pawar and now the SS as well who have an appetite of their own.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ramana » 12 Nov 2019 07:33

SBajwa wrote:after bringing Mayawati, Akhilesh yadav, Laloo yadav, Kumarswamy and Chandrababu naidu down now Congress eyes Udhav Thakrey!!!


All of them are Bhasmasura incarnates.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rupesh » 12 Nov 2019 07:51

Looks like the Shiv Sena has read everything wrong. They lack of behind-the-curtains planning and overconfidence did the the party in. Congress cannot afford to support SS, they will loose muslim votes to Owaisi.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KL Dubey » 12 Nov 2019 07:52

Enjoying the show, everyone? Thingz seem to be going as my good self predicted...the dorks Uddhavan and Adityan are pretty much standing naked now....caught between the moves of Nana Farnavis Jr. and the wily old Maratha.

I still wager on 'Ram' rajya (prezzie rule)....or maybe a full circle maneuver of Farnavis back in the chair with NCP supporting from outside. This time no room for return of the SS...Shah should declare open season on these dorks. Uddhavan can go back to photography and Adityan should take a job somewhere.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby kit » 12 Nov 2019 08:49

KL Dubey wrote:Enjoying the show, everyone? Thingz seem to be going as my good self predicted...the dorks Uddhavan and Adityan are pretty much standing naked now....caught between the moves of Nana Farnavis Jr. and the wily old Maratha.

I still wager on 'Ram' rajya (prezzie rule)....or maybe a full circle maneuver of Farnavis back in the chair with NCP supporting from outside. This time no room for return of the SS...Shah should declare open season on these dorks. Uddhavan can go back to photography and Adityan should take a job somewhere.


I wont give that govt a year in power , its more like a cart pulled in different directions all at the same time. Did anyone call out the emperor [ the "wily" old politician] being naked ? , this is more likely his swan song.Enough said.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby kit » 12 Nov 2019 08:52

Rupesh wrote:Looks like the Shiv Sena has read everything wrong. They lack of behind-the-curtains planning and overconfidence did the the party in. Congress cannot afford to support SS, they will loose muslim votes to Owaisi.


What "ideology" are they going to profess the next time when they go to polls ? , the intelligent ones i hope will jump ship to the saffron party asap. There is actually no need to wait the "full term "

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Sachin » 12 Nov 2019 09:31

Shiv Sena's Sanjay Raut Undergoes Angioplasty At Mumbai Hospital
This gentleman seemed to be the most loudest motor mouth in Shiv Sena. He was making grandoise statements one after the other, and main stream "secular & progressive" media lapped it up. Now every thing has come down like a pack of cards and our man lands up in a hospital.

Rupesh wrote:Looks like the Shiv Sena has read everything wrong. They lack of behind-the-curtains planning and overconfidence did the the party in. Congress cannot afford to support SS, they will loose muslim votes to Owaisi.

+1. Shiv Sena due its checkered past seems to be now becoming virtually an untouchable. It was only the BJP who actually co-opted them. In South India, Shiv Sena still has got a label of being goons who targetted the Madrassis. The Muslims are not going to forget the way Beloved Bal dealt with them (i.e punch for a punch). The other "secular & progressive" parties also will not find it easy to support a "communal" party like Shiv Sena.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KL Dubey » 12 Nov 2019 10:10

Sachin wrote:Shiv Sena's Sanjay Raut Undergoes Angioplasty At Mumbai Hospital
This gentleman seemed to be the most loudest motor mouth in Shiv Sena. He was making grandoise statements one after the other, and main stream "secular & progressive" media lapped it up. Now every thing has come down like a pack of cards and our man lands up in a hospital.


Not to mention the other "shaaNa", Sawant...he resigned from the Union cabinet with a big fanfare and is now unemployed :rotfl:

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Postby abhijitm » 12 Nov 2019 10:18

Raut was punching way above infinity and beyond his weight. I am following SS for decades now and this man was nothing but thackray's parrot whose job was to edit samaana newspaper and probably manage thackaray's finances like PA. And this time he became negotiator for government formation! That too sitting/talking shoulder to shoulder with seasoned politicians like SP, AS! Too much. The blame must go to UT, afterall he is the captain of the ship and buck stops at him. You gather around people of your own intellect level.

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Postby Kashi » 12 Nov 2019 10:43

I wonder why people are writing off SS. After all they are the ones forming the govt, their vote share seems to be largely intact. They'll install a Maratha CM on the gaddi, supported by the other Maratha party. So where's the downside to this? What makes members o optimistic/pessimistic about SS's fortunes?

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Postby nachiket » 12 Nov 2019 10:45

Kashi wrote:I wonder why people are writing off SS. After all they are the ones forming the govt, their vote share seems to be largely intact. They'll install a Maratha CM on the gaddi, supported by the other Maratha party. So where's the downside to this? What makes members o optimistic/pessimistic about SS's fortunes?

Thackerays are not Marathas. And any government they form with NCP will be precarious since it will be dependent on the congis to stay in power. Anyway current situation is that the Governor has refused Sena's request for more time and instead invited NCP to form the government :P

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Postby abhijitm » 12 Nov 2019 10:48

Kashi wrote:I wonder why people are writing off SS. After all they are the ones forming the govt, their vote share seems to be largely intact. They'll install a Maratha CM on the gaddi, supported by the other Maratha party. So where's the downside to this? What makes members o optimistic/pessimistic about SS's fortunes?

Not writing off SS chances of getting CMship. It is their complete moral fall and making mockery of itself.

If NCP, Cong has to form some form of gov then they will prefer a scapegoat in SS whom they can pull down anytime they wish. So there is definitely a chance for SS.

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Postby nachiket » 12 Nov 2019 10:52

Actually it would be short sighted for the INC and NCP to form a shaky government with the SS right now. If they let the state go into President's rule they are guaranteed a victory in the subsequent elections. They don't even have to do much, merely fight together, while the SS and BJP fight separately. There is no way they can lose.


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