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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby abhijitm » 12 Nov 2019 10:56

nachiket wrote:Actually it would be short sighted for the INC and NCP to form a shaky government with the SS right now. If they let the state go into President's rule they are guaranteed a victory in the subsequent elections. They don't even have to do much, merely fight together, while the SS and BJP fight separately. There is no way they can lose.

Thought occur to me but SP is shrewd enough to understand political somersaults. There is no guarantee that bjp and SS will not form alliance again with this time a better understanding of power sharing. If they do then NCP gamed. Because both SS and BJP will go after them with full vengeance.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Karthik S » 12 Nov 2019 10:58

Who is forming gobermint? I lost track of whom governor has called now.

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Postby nachiket » 12 Nov 2019 11:01

abhijitm wrote:Thought occur to me but SP is shrewd enough to understand political somersaults. There is no guarantee that bjp and SS will not form alliance again with this time a better understanding of power sharing. If they do then NCP gamed. Because both SS and BJP will go after them with full vengeance.

Which BJP voter is going to go out and vote for a SS candidate again after this betrayal? Most are very angry right now that their vote might end up going to Pawar when they wanted Fadnavis. SS has lost those voters already. There is no way they can hope to fight the next elections together.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Sachin » 12 Nov 2019 11:35

Karthik S wrote:Who is forming gobermint? I lost track of whom governor has called now.

May be the CPI(M). They have one MLA in Maharashtra :rotfl: .

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Postby CRamS » 12 Nov 2019 11:47

Guys, I would not write off a SS-Congoon-NCP govt with an SS CM. I think Congoons want to humiliate BJP as they see SS as chicken feed that can by dumped any time, but its the big gun BJP that they want to throttle. So we could see an SS-Cong-NCP govt with UT/AT is CM. Post govt formation, I also see the trio doing some massive hand outs along the lines of Pappu's NYAY scheme to Maha farmers in the run up to Jharkand elections and beyond. BJP's best bet at this stage is to have president's rule. I think an SS-Cong-NCP govt will be tough to dislodge only because SS will be a little puppet enjoying the perks of CM, while Congoons/NCP in their strategy to take on BJP won't rock the boat.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 12 Nov 2019 12:21

CRamS wrote:Guys, I would not write off a SS-Congoon-NCP govt with an SS CM. I think Congoons want to humiliate BJP as they see SS as chicken feed that can by dumped any time, but its the big gun BJP that they want to throttle. So we could see an SS-Cong-NCP govt with UT/AT is CM. Post govt formation, I also see the trio doing some massive hand outs along the lines of Pappu's NYAY scheme to Maha farmers in the run up to Jharkand elections and beyond. BJP's best bet at this stage is to have president's rule. I think an SS-Cong-NCP govt will be tough to dislodge only because SS will be a little puppet enjoying the perks of CM, while Congoons/NCP in their strategy to take on BJP won't rock the boat.

Really .. to me it seems the BJP which made SS walk the plank.

Too much pessimism. UT had plans to travel to Ayodhya to celebrate RJB verdict. Is he now going to cancel that plan and sing Raag Durbari in Dilli? Not that I mind that.

Mean-e-bile, "neutral" jurnos are deeply troubled by the turn of the wheel . Hopefully, they will change their tune soon and welcome SS as the greatest sickularist of our era and celebrate its confession on babri destruction as epoch making deed in the anals of sickular politics of independent India.

https://twitter.com/ameytirodkar/status ... 8585519104
amey tirodkar @ameytirodkar

what nonsense is going on Congress?

BUT miracle do happen ... another "neutral" jurno
https://twitter.com/RaisinaSeries/statu ... 8606355457
Krishan Partap Singh @RaisinaSeries

Congress is drowning and has been thrown a life-jacket by some miracle...but it still wants to negotiate terms. Unbelievable stupidity.

Another "neutral" jurno
https://twitter.com/AdityaMenon22/statu ... 7914535938
Aditya Menon @AdityaMenon22

.@PawarSpeaks played this one beautifully. He got Shiv Sena out of NDA, put it on point of no return. He also has bargaining power with Cong due to the threat that its MLAs may rebel to back Sena-NCP. He holds most of the cards now. Except the Governor. #MaharashtraPolitics

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rupesh » 12 Nov 2019 12:54

Tweet from KC Venugopal.
Hon'ble Congress President Smt.Sonia Gandhi spoke to Shri.Sharad Pawar today morning and deputed Shri.Ahamed Patel, Shri.Mallikarjun Kharge and myself for holding further discussions with Shri.Pawar.
We three are going to Mumbai now and will meet Shri.Pawar at the earliest.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Vikas » 12 Nov 2019 13:23

Sachin wrote:
Karthik S wrote:Who is forming gobermint? I lost track of whom governor has called now.

May be the CPI(M). They have one MLA in Maharashtra :rotfl: .


Who are the geniuses still voting for Commies outside Gods own country ? :(( :((
General opinion on the ground is the UT is caught up in Putra-Moh and has taken to SS in unchartered territory of Pawar and Sonia. In most of the states, BJP against all results in BJP decimating the 'All'.
If NCP and Cong join SS, It may become final consolidation of Maratha forces under Fadnavis.

Meanwhile Ms. Priyanka Chaturvedi is back to praising Congress and Pappu :)

PS: Is Sanjay Raut hoping to become Manohar Joshi or MMS of UUT hence all the noise liek Sanjay Jha makes ?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rsatchi » 12 Nov 2019 13:48

Vikas wrote:
Sachin wrote:May be the CPI(M). They have one MLA in Maharashtra :rotfl: .


Who are the geniuses still voting for Commies outside Gods own country ? :(( :((
General opinion on the ground is the UT is caught up in Putra-Moh and has taken to SS in unchartered territory of Pawar and Sonia. In most of the states, BJP against all results in BJP decimating the 'All'.
If NCP and Cong join SS, It may become final consolidation of Maratha forces under Fadnavis.

Meanwhile Ms. Priyanka Chaturvedi is back to praising Congress and Pappu :)

PS: Is Sanjay Raut hoping to become Manohar Joshi or MMS of UUT hence all the noise liek Sanjay Jha makes ?[/quote


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Dahanu is part of the Palghar Lok Sabha constituency along with five other Vidhan Sabha segments, namely, Vikramgad, Palghar, Boisar, Nalasopara and Vasai in Palghar district :D

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rsatchi » 12 Nov 2019 13:53

Governor recommends Governor Rule
So the drama continues
Hoping that the 'Mooshaks' will start jumping the ship for some 'Modaks'
Now BJP needs about 25-30 'M'....k's
Are there sufficient 'Goberment Modaks' to keep them occupied for 5 yrs

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 12 Nov 2019 13:58

Another observation before I forget ...

It is OK for BJP to split SS now that they have walked out the alliance in MH. Earlier, it would have been considered backstabbing and impacted its alliance partners outlook in other state. BUT such a thing would be the very last option.

Acts have consequences ... Another reason BJP forced SS to walk out rather than walk out on SS itself. That way SS can't go to the public crying dokha to gain sympathy.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Kashi » 12 Nov 2019 13:59

abhijitm wrote:Not writing off SS chances of getting CMship. It is their complete moral fall and making mockery of itself.

If NCP, Cong has to form some form of gov then they will prefer a scapegoat in SS whom they can pull down anytime they wish. So there is definitely a chance for SS.


INC and NCP made a mockery of themselves and of Maharashtra and of India so many times. When they have not been eschewed by Maha voters, then why would SS fade into oblivion?

I wonder if many voters actually care for "moral fall".

Rsatchi wrote:If NCP and Cong join SS, It may become final consolidation of Maratha forces under Fadnavis.


Will Marathas agree to consolidate under a non-Maratha
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 12 Nov 2019 14:03

Rsatchi wrote:Governor recommends Governor Rule
So the drama continues
Hoping that the 'Mooshaks' will start jumping the ship for some 'Modaks'
Now BJP needs about 25-30 'M'....k's
Are there sufficient 'Goberment Modaks' to keep them occupied for 5 yrs

Bhell ... surprise that he did not wait for NCP to get back!

As expected, the BJP had been walking the state into President's rule. Perhaps, CON had realized their mistake of last night and were more forthcoming on NCP and the BJP had to act in haste to prevent that. :rotfl:

So why the drama? Guess to keep the public opinion on their side when parties go crying "murder of democracy". Also, to afford the SS and opportunity to walk the plank.

SS/CP/CON will probably rush to the courts. Not unexpected. Now the real game of "permutation and combinations" will start.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

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Postby nits » 12 Nov 2019 14:56

Congress leader Sushil Shinde: There's no issue of Congress being late, we've been alert since beginning. We had asked them (NCP) if they've sent a letter (to Governor). Things will have to be done simultaneously, they're our partner. Whatever decision is taken, it'll be done together

so now Con putting blame for yesterdays fiasco on NCP for not issuing the letter of support

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby kittoo » 12 Nov 2019 15:26

No President's rule has been recommended. The governor's office just clarified.

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Postby pankajs » 12 Nov 2019 15:31

Pagle .. no friend of BJP or SS and a durbari.
https://twitter.com/waglenikhil/status/ ... 3444751360
nikhil wagle @waglenikhil

Congress has cheated Shiv Sena, with or without the help of NCP.

Turdesai .. while not happy with the situation but can't help take shots at BJP .. All while AS is chilling out after having set the ball rolling on political realignment in the state!
https://twitter.com/sardesairajdeep/sta ... 2919676929
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Shiv Sena was distributing ladoos at 7 pm, its leaders expecting the NCP-Cong letters of support. So who misled the Sena and why? Sena adventurism, NCP bargaining, Cong prevarication, BJP encircled. Maharashtra is a bloody Maha-mess!
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby abhijitm » 12 Nov 2019 15:37

SS appeal in supreme court.

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Postby pankajs » 12 Nov 2019 15:41

OT >
But for the record and later reference ...
https://twitter.com/EPButler/status/1193954447761825792
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Those who remained pagan beyond that point are then regarded as being fixated or regressive. There are distinct parallels in the academic treatment of other polytheistic civilizations.

Helps explain the attitude amongst "secular" academic circle around the globe about Hindus.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Vikas » 12 Nov 2019 15:55

Actually this Maha mess is confusing many including me. Why oh why !!
1. Why is congress not extending support to SS immediately. Normally they would have been the first ones off the block.
What are they afraid of.
2. Why did SS walk out on BJP knowing fully well that Pawar/Sonia would backstab them to establish their secular credentials
3. Why hasn't some MLA's jumped and formed govt with BJP yet
4. Why is UT obsessed with CM post if it is not going to be UT himself. He could have bargained for more lucarative ministries instead.
5. Who the eff are UT's advisors ?
6. Do MLA's have enough money to go thru another round of elections in next 6 months and what if they end up with same numbers again ?
7. BJP was morally right and following dharma. They did not pull a fast one on SS and yet they are also getting some blame.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby kvraghav » 12 Nov 2019 15:59

abhijitm wrote:SS appeal in supreme court.

But Why? Sanjay Saheb had said they had 175 MLA

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Postby Vikas » 12 Nov 2019 16:01

Kashi wrote:
abhijitm wrote:Not writing off SS chances of getting CMship. It is their complete moral fall and making mockery of itself.



Will Marathas agree to consolidate under a non-Maratha


Probably not with current forces stacked against him but Bajirao did bring them together.
Why would someone prefer Maha corrupt Maratha leaders that ruled Mah in 90's and 00' is beyond me.

Of course why would a Maharashtrian person living all his life in Maha since Adams be called a Non-Marathi baffles me.

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Postby Vikas » 12 Nov 2019 16:03

kvraghav wrote:
abhijitm wrote:SS appeal in supreme court.

But Why? Sanjay Saheb had said they had 175 MLA


Misfortunately Sanjay Jha raut had to visit hospital after making this statement.

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Postby pankajs » 12 Nov 2019 16:05

Oh .. seems that he tweeted from the hospital bed that SS will get the CMship. Not to worry .. things are on track.

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Postby abhijitm » 12 Nov 2019 16:18

Doubt this cabinet move will stand good in SC. Looks like to me bjp played its last card. Now if SC takes control then 'ram bharose' anything can happen.

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Postby nits » 12 Nov 2019 16:32

kvraghav wrote:
abhijitm wrote:SS appeal in supreme court.

But Why? Sanjay Saheb had said they had 175 MLA

haha :rotfl:

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 12 Nov 2019 16:43

Looks like NCP wrote a letter to the Gov asking for a further 48 hrs and indicating its inability to form the government in the given 24 hrs. The Gov used that "inability" expressed in the letter to promptly recommend President's rule. That was fast. :rotfl:

First phase is over and the next phase has started.

I don't know why the SS has gone to the SC. The assembly has not been dissolved so they can continue their efforts to assemble a coalition of the willing and take it to the Gov even after the President rule has been applied. That will unlock the gates of power for them. Gov. is duty bound.

I think SS has realize that the dog and pony show organized by the BJP for the public consumption has been hastily pulled down. Now BJP can get on with its style of coalition building AFTER noting the failure of the opposition's effort. :rotfl: How fair of the BJP. They will point to the dog and pony to buttress their fairness claims.

Sigh .. such are the burdens of being the single largest party. :rotfl:

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby greatde » 12 Nov 2019 17:08

Not sure what BJP gains by this haste President’s rule. Those 3 parties can still form alliance any time, as long as assembly isn’t dissolved.

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Postby abhijitm » 12 Nov 2019 17:13

greatde wrote:Not sure what BJP gains by this haste President’s rule. Those 3 parties can still form alliance any time, as long as assembly isn’t dissolved.

yeh, may be BJP played the last card and resigned from the game. Over to NCP, Cong and SS.

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Postby pankajs » 12 Nov 2019 17:16

1. Outside support won't work for a coalition. Necessarily, ALL parties must be in.
2. BUT that poses a ideological problem for the CON. They have to square the circle.
3. Best way to achieve is to get a CON or a NCP CM as the face of the coalition, perhaps Pawarful himself will take the crown of thorn.
4. Will not work for SS.
5. The next option is a common minumim program with some sickular commitment in writing from the SS that CON can show its voters and supporters.
6. While SS might get the CM chair, it will have to part with plum portfolios for NCP/CON. SS is on the backfoot having burnt its bridge while BJP still has the option of splitting opposition or aligning with NCP.

NCP is best positioned. SS and CON can't get anything on their own without the NCP where as NCP/Pawar can cut a deal with BJP and get something even for outside support. This is just getting started.

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Postby Manish_P » 12 Nov 2019 17:39

Vikas wrote:
Kashi wrote:


Probably not with current forces stacked against him but Bajirao did bring them together.
Why would someone prefer Maha corrupt Maratha leaders that ruled Mah in 90's and 00' is beyond me.

Of course why would a Maharashtrian person living all his life in Maha since Adams be called a Non-Marathi baffles me.



Non-Maratha is not the same as Non-Marathi

Maratha is being referred to in the caste sense.

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Postby KJo » 12 Nov 2019 18:09

President’s rule imposed

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Postby Vips » 12 Nov 2019 18:18

Congress wont take a chance of supporting SS/NCP for being in partial power in Maharashtra in view of the immediate elections coming up in Jharkhand and Delhi.
If they support SS/NCP then it would be surely a 4 cornered contest in West Bengal elections too (Mamta would not take a chance of any understanding with them to get her Bangladeshi votes, ditto the commies) and BJP would be the gainer there.

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Postby pankajs » 12 Nov 2019 18:26

Just heard on India Today TV:

1. NCP insisting that CON be part of the government for this to work.

Now tell me, is Pawar working for himself or BJP hanji? Why force CON to align with SS? Who will benefit out of that?

2. CON insisting on a common minimum program.

Now, as sure as day follows night, such a program will have some sickular throwaways to shield CON for joining hand with SS. Enlightened friends, will such a document spell growth or disaster for SS? Who is Pawar working for? Will it benefit the most?

eNjoy till this lasts.

Between 5:55 and 6:00 pm broadcast, their National Affairs Editor was exactly laying out the scenario that had been put before the forum on BJP's game plan.

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Postby pankajs » 12 Nov 2019 19:02

Just a while back, turdesai made an interesting observation on India Today live.

When the NCP has time till 8:30 pm why did it shoot the letter to the Gov. so early? Did Pawar calculate that it would allow the central cabinet to decide on the matter immediately!

To which, its National Affairs editor sadi something to the effect that it all seems to be coordinated! :rotfl: He further went on to say that the trio of Pawar, Shah and Modi seem to read each other pretty well without the need to speak.

Iz there a "pre-poll" understanding between Modi and Pawar? Perhaps on how to screw both CON and SS together. All speculation of course. :wink:

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 12 Nov 2019 19:06

SBajwa wrote:after bringing Mayawati, Akhilesh yadav, Laloo yadav, Kumarswamy and Chandrababu naidu down now Congress eyes Udhav Thakrey!!!



paswan is the next rebel who seems to have gone rogue.

He has announced that he will be going it alone in jharkhand.

Wonder if someone shot down his fond hopes of becoming the next VP.

anyway, the termites are slowly coming out of the woodwork and can now be picked off one by one.

There is definitely a bihar play in progress because otherwise, this chameleon would not have shown his hand this early.

nitishwa must be laying the ground work to make a grand exit, especially after the RJB verdict.

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Postby UlanBatori » 12 Nov 2019 19:14

If Prez rule imposed, does that mean re-election? Post-RJB? :mrgreen:

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 12 Nov 2019 19:42

pankajs wrote:Just heard on India Today TV:

1. NCP insisting that CON be part of the government for this to work.

Now tell me, is Pawar working for himself or BJP hanji? Why force CON to align with SS? Who will benefit out of that?

2. CON insisting on a common minimum program.

Now, as sure as day follows night, such a program will have some sickular throwaways to shield CON for joining hand with SS. Enlightened friends, will such a document spell growth or disaster for SS? Who is Pawar working for? Will it benefit the most?

eNjoy till this lasts.

Between 5:55 and 6:00 pm broadcast, their National Affairs Editor was exactly laying out the scenario that had been put before the forum on BJP's game plan.


everyone is taking the SS, especially UT and son as minor bit part players of no consequence in the NCP govt formation. The SS is the largest party in this sadak chaap coalition of entitled power seekers and yet it is being treated as being almost untouchable.

Per TV report, the congis want one cabinet berth for every 4 MLAs so it keeps then on an even footing with the NCP.

Also, they are pushing the NCP to make a bid for the CM's gaddi so UT has been told that he will be the CM for only one half of the term. No idea of what his response is, so far.

No heavyweight or malai ministries are being given to the SS.

So yesterday's "kingmaker" has become today's peon cum watchman waiting, hat in hand, for the hukum of the maliks.

what a low IQ negotiator, to end up with his principal role reversed and his most potent advantage nullified in just a matter of a single day. Why did he burn bridges without something in writing from the NCP.

added to all this, he seems to have given away his own letter of support to both the NCP and the congis while they have not even shown him their letters.

Both the NCP and the congis desperately want to recover from the fadnavis's destruction of their rural infrastructure of plunder. The congi/NCP domination over the farm cooperatives, the sugar factory unions, the coop banks and the APMC yards control had all been vaporized by Fadnavis.

UT and the SS had their beady eyes on many of these organizations because of the vast sums it could very easily generate and the large patronage these networks could provide to consolidate future vote banks.

have the pawarful people lost their erstwhile magical touch.

or is the other side simply so much better at their job.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 12 Nov 2019 19:52

UlanBatori wrote:If Prez rule imposed, does that mean re-election? Post-RJB? :mrgreen:


Could it possibly have been gamed just this way 8)

many MLA's are broke post elections and want to join the "govt" to recoup their losses, make up their kitty and then some.

I figure that a slightly longish spell of president's rule will panic them and cause a lot of SS and congi small timers to abandon the sinking ships and just maybe clamber on to the lurking luxury liner nearby.


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