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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 13 Nov 2019 15:36

sajo21 wrote:
Sachin wrote:What where their reasons to feel that BJP gave SS a raw deal?


Campaign visibility for SS was one as it was all a DF/Modi blitzkrieg, and the feeling that ministership talks had already failed. Though I feel its Sena's own doing, and if they wanted to have the visibility, they should have been part of the Maha Jan-Aadesh Yatras by stepping down from the lofty pedestals of Matoshree.


the matoshree gang has lived by extracting tributes and dispensing patronage along with some gratuitous violence to keep the jantha under control.

They want "ministerships" for profit and not for doing work.

this technique is ok for rotational politics, meaning this time my turn, next time your turn and no inquiries or cases against each other.

It is not the way this generation of the BJP leadership is willing to work

and this is what such rotational politicos have been doing for years in all states and this is the type of patronage that is up for sale and the matoshree guys wan in desperately.

If they get caught, it will be Modi and AS, emblazoned on all the front pages.

Bengaluru: Raids by Income Tax department officials at former deputy chief minister G Parameshwara's college could draw more probes by other central agencies, now that it has set off questions about the quality of admissions in all deemed universities.

The I-T department plans to alert the regional economic intelligence agencies' committee on this, after Parameshwara's nephew allegedly signed a confession statement admitting to the way in which they used agents to fill medical seats in their colleges at exorbitant rates.


another congi stalwart, K J george is in also deep schitt with the IT/ED and hopefully will soon be moving to enjoy the salubrious dilli climate in tihar for some govt sponsored holiday time.
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby abhijitm » 13 Nov 2019 15:49

Sachin wrote:
sajo21 wrote:It was back then they had told me there was unhappiness amongst the cadre due to a general feeling of being given a raw deal by the BJP.

What where their reasons to feel that BJP gave SS a raw deal? One, SS folks may have a feeling that they are the most supreme and by default BJP should be playing the second fiddle. I remember reading this some where (atleast 5-6 years back, when DF became the CM). Shiv Sena folks had this concept of them being the "Tiger" who always came to the rescue of the Damsel in distress Kamla Bhai (* Kamal = Lotus = BJP). But off late Kamla Bhai started getting feminazi tendencies, with the tiger reduced to being a circus tiger. Don't know if that led to the bad blood among the two.

If you read SS mouthpiece Saamana regularly and start buying into that brainwashing then you will also start feeling like tiger. That constant chest thumping and below the belt criticism of anything other than SS got to have mental effect. We used to have Saamana daily at home and it gets your blood boil. Finally stopped reading.

Also if you regularly interact with their shakha pramukh (SS eyes and ears on ground) then you will notice a pattern of same chest thumping and similar narrative.
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 13 Nov 2019 16:02

CON mlas have started moving back to MH from RJ. Why? Seems like with BJP throwing it towel CON mlas are now safe. :rotfl:

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 13 Nov 2019 16:05

For the record and not to pollute the RJB thread ...

https://twitter.com/khanumarfa/status/1 ... 3661716480
Arfa Khanum Sherwani @khanumarfa

The most painful aspect is that it is not just politics that has failed India’s Muslims but the democratic institutions,latest being the judiciary.
Tragic irony: the community who’s been wronged is being told,it no more has the right to express its disagreement on the judgement.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 13 Nov 2019 16:09

20 hours old tweet ...

https://twitter.com/sadhavi/status/1194246142545915906
Sadhavi Khosla @sadhavi

SS spokesman, Anant Tare in a debate with @journosaurav on @indiatvnews says that SS’s alliance with BJP is still intact ... @rasheedkidwai was also in the debate .. Kya nautanki hai yeh?

Seems like BJP has asked SS to get a market quote for its support and it might be willing to match it with some adjustment (-1/2 CM + DCM).

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 13 Nov 2019 16:12

Difficult to judge all the tweets as genuine and what is CT .. claims to be a jurno ... FWIW

https://twitter.com/SanjayBragta/status ... 2545241088
Sanjay Bragta @SanjayBragta

Congress was ready with letter of support Monday, Pawar asked to wait, Sonia sent 3 leaders to talk to Pawar Tuesday, before they could land, NCP asked Governor at 11:30 AM(had time till 8:30 PM) to extend their time for 3 more days, knowing will not get it. Game! #presidentrule

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby kittoo » 13 Nov 2019 16:27

pankajs wrote:For the record and not to pollute the RJB thread ...

https://twitter.com/khanumarfa/status/1 ... 3661716480
Arfa Khanum Sherwani @khanumarfa

The most painful aspect is that it is not just politics that has failed India’s Muslims but the democratic institutions,latest being the judiciary.
Tragic irony: the community who’s been wronged is being told,it no more has the right to express its disagreement on the judgement.


That is how it always starts, doesnt it? We dont have any institution which is just to us (read:which always bows to us and never dares do anything against us even if we are wrong). Which then morphs to this country is not for us, we are subjugated we must have our own country etc.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sajo » 13 Nov 2019 16:28

pankajs wrote:Difficult to judge all the tweets as genuine and what is CT .. claims to be a jurno ... FWIW

https://twitter.com/SanjayBragta/status ... 2545241088
Sanjay Bragta @SanjayBragta

Congress was ready with letter of support Monday, Pawar asked to wait, Sonia sent 3 leaders to talk to Pawar Tuesday, before they could land, NCP asked Governor at 11:30 AM(had time till 8:30 PM) to extend their time for 3 more days, knowing will not get it. Game! #presidentrule



^^ If indeed true what does Pawar get out of this charade? He is far too wily to make ED charges stick even without doing all of this.
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Postby pankajs » 13 Nov 2019 16:38

sajo21 wrote:^^ If indeed true what does Pawar get out of this charade? He is far to wily to make ED charges stick even without doing all of this.

Pawar thinks he is working for himself. He is helping himself in squeezing SS for every last drop of juice that he can get out. For that he does not need an artificial time limit hanging over his head. If might not impact his negotiating style but it makes SS wanting to wrap up quickly. Now he has up to 6 months to torture every concession he can wring out of SS. Smart!

Bwt, it also helps BJP to see NCP squeeze SS to the barest minimum so that when it has to make a counter, its offer will automatically be smaller. In a sense BJP has outsourced the dirty task of hammering concessions out of SS/UT to NCP while DF/AS go about their daily tasks as if nothing important is happening. :rotfl:

AS/Modi also know a slow process will also test the SS voters, cader and MLAs and UT patience when they ALL were expecting quick rewards and bonuses. Frustration also leads to anger which leads to mistakes. Works both for BJP and NCP/CON. BJP especially want the frustration to build up in the MLAs so that they can then be exploited at the right time.

This is how cynical politics can get. Just to watch the masters at work can be such a learning experience.

THIS.
https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1194257855710318593
ANI @ANI

NCP Chief Sharad Pawar: We are in no hurry. We will hold discussions with Congress and then take a decision (to support Shiv Sena). #MaharashtraGovtFormation


On the ED thing .. depends on what ED and NIA can hang on him. He is getting old and will be out of the scene in 10 years. BJP needs him to maneuver for their benefit for a very short time. After that he can be left alone to go spend his twilight years in peace and after him his party will be ready for easy pickings. Same as JDU, which is why Nitish has not been disturbed in Bihar.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 13 Nov 2019 17:01

From yesterday afternoon ... This is the kind of bluff SS was making to get a better deal with BJP. No wonder BJP asked them to get a market quote for their offer instead of SS's own estimation.

https://twitter.com/dhaval241086/status ... 2138959872
Dhaval Patel @dhaval241086

Absolutely no discussion took place between NCP and INC formally till now to support Sena in Maharashtra: Ahmed Patel

Then on what basis Sena leaders went to stake a claim and on top of that also anticipated support letters from both parties at Governor's place. Sabotage??

Also, BJP was tired of the constant sniping from the SS and hence handed over the negotiation to NCP's Pawarful.

Added Later: BJP also wants the SS to get off its high horse. What better way than to let it go head to head with that wily old fox and a soul sapping and brutal negotiation with NCP/CON combined where all its cards will be out in the open and where it will be asked to make compromises on many of its old ideological positions.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 13 Nov 2019 18:08

This is interesting ...

https://www.firstpost.com/politics/pres ... 30851.html
17:43 (IST)

Congress to meet in Mumbai to discuss 'common minimum programme', reports News18

News18 reports that a Congress meeting will begin soon in Mumbai to discuss a 'common minimum programme' (CMP). The party will hold talks about the CMP and then discuss it the NCP in subsequent meetings.

Seems to suggest that COn will finalize it own version of CMP before it meets NCP ... that means the discussion with SS on CMP has not started yet.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 13 Nov 2019 18:19

Btw, No news on Chidu ... Seems to have enjoyed the hospitality of the GOI far longer then AS.

Hopefully the correct signal has gone out to the corrupt that no matter how high they are, all are answerable before the law.

DK however went back. Did he take any lessons from his stay at the preeminent GOI facility in the national Capital? Anyone knows?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 13 Nov 2019 18:28

https://twitter.com/OpIndia_com/status/ ... 3072236549
OpIndia.com @OpIndia_com

Bhima Koregaon violence: Pune court rejects Urban Naxal Gautam Navlakha’s anticipatory bail plea, says custodial interrogation a must

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 13 Nov 2019 18:37

Another version of who ganged on whome but it is clear that everyone ganged-up on SS

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/maharas ... ns-2131452
The Sharad Pawar-Sonia Gandhi Phone Call That Thwacked Shiv Sena's Plans
Around 5 pm on Monday, Sena chief Uddhav Thackeray in his first ever call to Sonia Gandhi, made a formal request for support. The Congress president promised to get back to him after her consultations.

But about an hour later, Sharad Pawar spoke to Sonia Gandhi and expressed some reluctance to go ahead, saying it was too early to promise support to the Sena.

Mr Pawar reportedly told Sonia Gandhi that many aspects of power sharing still needed to be negotiated, and that he had not given the Sena a letter of support.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby kvraghav » 13 Nov 2019 18:39

pankajs wrote:Btw, No news on Chidu ... Seems to have enjoyed the hospitality of the GOI far longer then AS.

Hopefully the correct signal has gone out to the corrupt that no matter how high they are, all are answerable before the law.

DK however went back. Did he take any lessons from his stay at the preeminent GOI facility in the national Capital? Anyone knows?


He will be the guest for even longer time.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/inx-media-case-p-chidambarams-judicial-custody-extended-till-november-27/articleshow/72039742.cms

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 13 Nov 2019 18:41

pankajs wrote:Btw, No news on Chidu ... Seems to have enjoyed the hospitality of the GOI far longer then AS.

Hopefully the correct signal has gone out to the corrupt that no matter how high they are, all are answerable before the law.

DK however went back. Did he take any lessons from his stay at the preeminent GOI facility in the national Capital? Anyone knows?


DK Shivakumar Hospitalised Due to High Blood Pressure, Doctors Recommend Complete Rest


he may be back in hospital, trying to create more sympathy for himself.

his pal, K J george may also soon land up on the next bed

both are mafia parivar moneybags along with some local medical college owners who were caught flogging management seats in black.

this may well be the part 2 of OP Lotus ( with a IT/ED twist)

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Vips » 13 Nov 2019 19:04

As in Karnataka, BJP can go after the education mafia in Maharashtra who are majority sugar belt barons from Western Maharashtra and belong either to Congess or NCP.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Mollick.R » 13 Nov 2019 19:05

A noob pooch
When the MH assembly is not dissolved and all parties still got SIX months to try all permutations and combinations, do Horse trading , kiss & licking each others @$$ then what is Chanakayan about this whole urgent Mahamim Raaj imposed thingyy ????

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 13 Nov 2019 20:08

https://www.firstpost.com/politics/pres ... 30851.html
Form govt even now if you have numbers: Amit Shah to Congress, NCP and Shiv Sena
BJP president Amit Shah questioned the Shiv Sena why it didn't raise objections to BJP's statement before the election that Devendra Fadnavis will be the chief minister.

"Before elections, the prime minister and I said many times in public that if our alliance wins then Devendra Fadnavis will be the CM, no one objected back then. Now they have come up with new demands which are not acceptable to us," he told ANI.

Speaking to reporters on Wednesday, Shah also accused the Opposition of playing politics over government formation in Maharashtra while rejecting claims that the Maharashtra governor acted unconstitutionally by recommending President's Rule in Maharashtra.

"Even today if anyone has the numbers they can approach the Governor. The Governor has not denied chance to anyone. A learned lawyer like Kapil Sibal is putting forth childish arguments like ‘we were denied a chance to form Govt’," he said.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 13 Nov 2019 21:37

no truer words have been spoken on the MAH crisis.


twitter


Counted their chickens before any eggs hatched
Roared about an alliance that hadn’t been patched
First deceit
Then conceit
Now wailing and whining that their throne has been snatched!

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Karan M » 13 Nov 2019 21:55

That Arfa, Zainab , Rohini are all propped up by PRINT, Wire etc and by the usual troika of Sid V, Coupta and Venu. They are completely pro-Islamist and the fact that Ayyub, Bal, et al are now writing for WaPo, NYT etc + the reports in Economist, FT (some of the jokers writing there are complete gungadins or white supremacists) the sudden uptick in Congressional hearings in Khan clearly indicates more than just a simple co-incidence.

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Postby vijayk » 13 Nov 2019 22:24

Karan M wrote:That Arfa, Zainab , Rohini are all propped up by PRINT, Wire etc and by the usual troika of Sid V, Coupta and Venu. They are completely pro-Islamist and the fact that Ayyub, Bal, et al are now writing for WaPo, NYT etc + the reports in Economist, FT (some of the jokers writing there are complete gungadins or white supremacists) the sudden uptick in Congressional hearings in Khan clearly indicates more than just a simple co-incidence.


Islamic terrorists + Progressives/Democrats + globalists + uk/usa deep state ...

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Postby ramana » 13 Nov 2019 22:25

I would like folks to step back and do some red team thinking or as UB says think like a Paki.

Put yourself in each of the parties shoes and think what is going thru their minds.

From each of the three parties Point of View (POV).

SS, NCP, and Congress.
Facts:

SS: UT is aging. His son is bigger pappu then Rahul.
BJP is gaining and soon will eclipse SS.
SS took a lot of thugs inside their party. Modern day Pindaris - Real Estate mafia, Sugar Barons, street thugs who have personal loyalty to UT.
There is a group of "Hindutva" sainiks who are now sheep and follow the leader.
Therefore its now or never to gain power. Hence made those 50:50 sharing claims.

NCP: Fox is aging.
Has two factions in his group: Nephew and daughter. Doesn't care for nephew too much. Striking a deal will allow him to project his daughter.
Has lots of skeletons and dead bodies in his cupboard- Bank loans, real estate, Dawood Ibrahim
Therefore strike a deal with SS first to make him leave BJP.

INC: Soniaj is aging. Rahul is Pappu #1.
INC irrelevant and out of power. MP and Rajasthan don't have deep coffers.
Thrown out of cash rich Karnataka.
Need power.
Same time Muslim vote-bank will feel slighted if allied with SS who reveled in claiming Babri Demolition

Therefore strike a deal with caveat to make SS recant their ideology.

Now that SS is out of NDA, NCP realizes he should destroy SS USP.

Maharshtra has too many political groups- BJP, SS, NCP, INC, Ambedkarites, now MIM
Of these BJP and SS occupy the nationalist space.
SS and NCP occupy the Maharashtra asmita space.
INC occupies the traditional legacy and minority space.
Ambedkarites and MIM are fringe. And both will eat into INC space.


BJP: After RJMB verdict all the parties will converge on Hindu nationalism. If thats the case why have baggage of pseudo-Hindutva parties that gain from BJP and constantly backstab BJP?
Naidu was the first one to be dropped.
Soon others will get dropped as situation develops.

Nitesh Kumar must be having nightmares.

So NCP strategy is to collpase SS as they wont get a chance and attract atleas the Pindari faction.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 13 Nov 2019 22:28

wasnt BJP offering them Dy CM. They tried to kill the hen that laid eggs.

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Postby ramana » 13 Nov 2019 22:31

ArjunPandit wrote:wasnt BJP offering them Dy CM. They tried to kill the hen that laid eggs.


All those are off the table now that SS has bared its fangs and found poison missing.

Rattle snakes in the Rockies sometime have a dry bite. That is no poison in the fangs as its exhausted.

UT is now a rattle snake with dry bite.

You can tweet this without attribution.

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Postby CRamS » 13 Nov 2019 22:44

Karan M wrote:That Arfa, Zainab , Rohini are all propped up by PRINT, Wire etc and by the usual troika of Sid V, Coupta and Venu. They are completely pro-Islamist and the fact that Ayyub, Bal, et al are now writing for WaPo, NYT etc + the reports in Economist, FT (some of the jokers writing there are complete gungadins or white supremacists) the sudden uptick in Congressional hearings in Khan clearly indicates more than just a simple co-incidence.


Don't know what the immediate tactical goal the BIF forces are trying to achieve with all this propaganda and hearings circus. My guess is that they don't want KMs to accept the change and move on. All this bogus international attention will only make the KMs irredentist in the hope that 'international community' will deliver them 'azaadi'. It perpetuates the hatred that KMs have for India.

On Rana Ayyub, no doubt she has a lot of support within India from Lutyen gang, but I can bet you, she is an ISI stooge. And I am not saying this as a Pavlovian response applied to p!ssfuls who p!ss on India. Please read the latest WP self-centered sympathy garnering victim-hood tripe on Ayodhya verdict. Very carefully, she does a straight out of the ISI playbook wedge between Hindus and Sikhs. I assume her story is true, but the entire attempt was to show Hindus demons, Muslim haters, and contrast with Sikhs.

Even within India, notice how every 2-bit libtard condescendingly mocks Hindus' sentiments on birth of Ram in Ayodhya, and demand why should Hindus instead of building a Ram temple should instead build a school of hospital. But will anybody in India dare ask Sikhs why are they so gung ho on Kartaurpur for e.g., when the enemy, TSP is clearly playing a Hindu Sikh divide game? Don't get me wrong, my sentiments are fully with Sikhs, but believe me, one move by ModiJi that would have just hinted at going slow on Kartarpur, can you imagine what the Indian traitors like Ayyub and 'international' reactions would have been?

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Postby Karan M » 13 Nov 2019 22:47

More importantly why hasn't GOI come down like a vengeful hammer on these jerks if they have the proof. For all the tradecraft, I bet these jokers are sloppy with their contacts and likely have a lot of skeletons. What's Modi led GOI waiting for? SD and NYT approval?

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Postby ArjunPandit » 13 Nov 2019 22:51

I still say SS can atone their sins and salvage the situation by returning to BJP and focus on grass roots. BJP still needs outfits like SS, Bajrang Dal, VHP to carry out jobs that no one else will get their hands dirty with. Mota bhai should be charitable and win the loyalty of SS grassroot cadre to wean them from thugs of SS. Maharastrian lot is not a twisted person. He's passionate and simple guy.

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Postby ramana » 13 Nov 2019 22:53

CRS, I suggest you go through the election results of May 2019 elections.
Of the 303 seats, 200 were won with over 50% vote share of the huge population that voted.
The composite vote share is 45% which is second only to 1956 when JLN was at the height of charisma.
Even then INC which really was a coalition go 350 seats.
Same as NDA did now.

So all this ranting in international press will not effect one seat.
As for Sikhs except for those settled abroad, Khalistan is a dead issue unless we keep raking it up.

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Postby Peregrine » 13 Nov 2019 23:02

Anxietygrips Kerala ahead of Sabarimala verdict – PTI

HIGHLIGHTS

- Over 10,000 police personnel will be deployed in phases in and around the Sabarimala Lord Ayyappa temple during the two month long pilgrimage season.

- The Travancore Devaswom Board has appealed to everyone to accept the judgment whatever it may.

- The SC, on Sept 28, 2018, had lifted the ban that prevented women and girls between the age of 10 and 50 from entering the Ayyappa shrine.

THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: Political parties, right-wing outfits and devotees in Kerala are keeping their fingers crossed as the Supreme Court is set to pronounce on Thursday its verdict on pleas seeking review of its decision to allow entry of women of all age groups in the Sabarimala Temple.

The southern state had witnessed high drama and protests by devotees and right wing activists last year against the CPI(M)-led LDF government's decision to implement the top court's order.

The verdict was also crucial for the LDF government, led by chief minister Pinarayi Vijayan, as the beginning of the annual pilgrimage season at Sabarimala is just three days away.

The portals of the hill shrine, located in a reserve forest in Western Ghats in Pathanamthitta district of the state, would be opened for the two-month-long Mandalam Makaravilakku season on November 16 evening.

Vijayan had on Saturday taken stock of the preparations being carried out by various departments to ensure a hassle-free pilgrimage.

DGP Loknath Behara has said there will be tight security during the pilgrimage season.

Over 10,000 police personnel will be deployed in phases in and around the Sabarimala Lord Ayyappa temple during the two-month long pilgrimage season.

While the state BJP, on Wednesday, expressed hope that the order on the review petitions, would be in favour of devotees, the Travancore Devaswom Board (TDB), the autonomous temple body which manages the shrine, appealed to everyone to accept the judgment whatever it may.

The apex court, on September 28, 2018, had lifted the ban that prevented women and girls between the age of 10 and 50 from entering the Ayyappa shrine and held that this centuries-old Hindu religious practice was illegal and unconstitutional.

The opposition Congress party and the influential Nair Service Society (NSS),an outfit of the forward Nair community, had also vehemently objected to the Left government's decision to go ahead and implement the verdict.

BJP state general secretary M T Ramesh said if the verdict was against devotees, the party would seek constitutional means to address the concerns of devotees.

"We hope that the verdict on the review petitions will be in favour of devotees.

The stand adopted by the state government was the reason for the earlier judgment that came out against the sentiments of devotees," he told reporters.

The stand taken by the apex court in the Ayodhya case that deity Ram Lalla could be viewed as a special personality, can be applicable in the Sabarimala case also, he said.

A Padmakuamr, the outgoing president of TDB, said the verdict should be accepted with self-restraint and peace.

"The Board's request to everyone is that we should accept the verdict whatever it may be. We hope that the state government will act in accordance with the verdict," he told TV channels.

Attempts by around a dozen women, including activists and journalists in the 10- 50 age group, to climb the sacred hills had come to nought last year as frenzied devotees of Lord Ayyappa heckled and hassled them and forced them to retreat.

However, defying protesters, two women, in their 40s, had entered the Ayyappa temple in January this year and offered prayers scripting history

The apex court, on Thursday, will deliver its judgment on as many as 65 petitions - including 56 review petitions and four fresh writ petitions and five transfer pleas - which were filed after its verdict sparked violent protests in Kerala.

A five-judge constitution bench headed by Chief Justice Ranjan Gogoi had reserved its decision on February 6 after hearing various parties including those seeking re-consideration of the September 28, 2018 judgment

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Postby pankajs » 13 Nov 2019 23:24

Pawarful log ki pawarful batein.

https://www.asianage.com/metros/mumbai/ ... -sena.html
Sharad Pawar, not Congress, delayed letters of support to Sena
Top Congress sources said Mr Pawar was insisting on a 50:50 power-sharing agreement with the Shiv Sena. This means both the Shiv Sena and the NCP getting the CM’s chair for two and a half years each. The NCP also wanted that it should get the first shot to be chief minister. Some of the other conditions include a well thrashed out common minimum programme and equal share for all three parties — NCP, Sena, Congress — in ministries.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby CRamS » 13 Nov 2019 23:33

ArjunPandit, its a point of no return at this stage IMO. Whatever little credibility SS has will evaporate. But who knows, ModiJi and AS can apply their magic and balm, sooth some egos and get them back. But I am not sure its worth it. This is a colossal betrayal by SS. They are licking the boots of the very same traitors who concocted "Hindu terror" bogey and went after a lot of innocent Hindus to show off their 'secularism' and ward off their impotence in the face of TSP's brazenness post 26/11. One of the most shameful cowardly episodes in post independent India.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 13 Nov 2019 23:43

https://www.indiatoday.in/india-today-i ... 2019-11-13
Pawar play: Shiv Sena or BJP, which way will the NCP chief tilt?
The Congress and the NCP are yet to finalise their strategy even as Maharashtra has been put under president's rule. Central rule, though, will give all parties a chance to re-evaluate their alliances. In the ongoing impasse, Pawar is the most-sought-after man. Both the Sena and the BJP are wooing him separately to get back to power. The Sena hopes Pawar will bring the Congress on board to form a grand alliance of the three parties. The BJP, on the other hand, has offered to induct Pawar's daughter Supriya Sule in the Union cabinet if he backs a BJP-led government in Maharashtra. Pawar's desire to see Sule in a prominent role in Delhi is well-known.

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However, Pawar is a pragmatic politician. If the Congress refuses to align with the Sena over its Hindutva agenda, he may well opt to join the BJP-led National Democratic Alliance (NDA). Pawar has already got his grandnephew Rohit elected to the Maharashtra assembly from Karjat-Jamkhed constituency. He believes Rohit has a bright future in the state's politics. Next on his wishlist would be to see Sule established in Delhi. And this may well be his opportunity.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby abhijitm » 14 Nov 2019 00:13

IMHO Pawar will not opt to support BJP without Cong buy in. He will not break his pre-poll alliance. Last time he offered support because NCP fought independently. This time too he would have easily given support to BJP first had there not been alliance with Cong. It didn't happend in last 20 days, it won't happen now.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby abhijitm » 14 Nov 2019 00:24

BJP MH president Chandrakant Patil played stupid game before the election. Wisdom says if there is a multi player fight then you kill the weakest first, feast on spoils and then go after next weakest. The weakest im MH is cong but instead of going after Cong with full force he decided to raid on NCP. Result, cong survived, ncp remained as is and now he lost his ally, albeit not his fault, but karma plays beach some time.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby fanne » 14 Nov 2019 00:47

For people who are missing the Turkey discussion -

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5419&start=880


All these semantics that this turk or that turk is lost on the less informed Aam Abduls. The amm abduls belief that the turks ruled them (before Mughals). Please see attached link (and I am here not discussing the truth but the belief that is held by IM) -
http://www.westeastinstitute.com/journa ... -Sahli.pdf

More importantly what is the Turkish impact on Modern India. The khilafat movement was inspired by Turkey (no arap or any other connection). It was also perhaps the first movement after 1857. The mopalla riots can be then by extension led at its feet. Why do not hear much of Turkey from 1920 to 1947 then - cause they lost the WW1 and were on the wrong side of history and England, and for IM to hang their cocktail on Turkey would not have taken them far.

The most visible offspring of that movement and a hardcore Islamist (and a traitor if I may add) was one VP - HA, who almost became V, and Congress is the vessel that carries that immoral and illegal connection under the surface (and hence opening of Cong office in Turkey, read it in this respect). Khilafat movement leaders were blood relative of HA. He holds Turkisht line (with other M leaders in cong).

The Islamization of Cong is in full view - Pappu running to Wayanad (where more than half voter is IM), Turkish connection - Money, sovereign help - getting murkier with all kinds of deal, who knows how far that goes. If anything bad done to our leader by TSP, and they know they are toast, we will have a full blown war, with very bad consequences, but TSP will cease to exist after that. But if same is done by Turkey (and cong would be playing for that angle), it is far and strong and part of NATO and Russian munna right now. We do not have many options to punish.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 14 Nov 2019 02:27

https://twitter.com/jgopikrishnan70/sta ... 0725285888
J Gopikrishnan @jgopikrishnan70

Nice - Supreme Court 5-Judge bench rules that Office of the Chief Justice of India is a “Public Authority” under the RTI Act...Good that Supreme Court undone the SIN by former CJI KG Balakrishnan....Now former Delhi HC CJ AP Shah is the winner

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 14 Nov 2019 04:17

abhijitm wrote:BJP MH president Chandrakant Patil played stupid game before the election. Wisdom says if there is a multi player fight then you kill the weakest first, feast on spoils and then go after next weakest. The weakest im MH is cong but instead of going after Cong with full force he decided to raid on NCP. Result, cong survived, ncp remained as is and now he lost his ally, albeit not his fault, but karma plays beach some time.


I don't imagine that BJP MAH president Chandrakant Patil would have had so much authority, especially during crucial election game plans, to run a major play like this on his own.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 14 Nov 2019 04:44

https://twitter.com/rahulkanwal/status/ ... 8927918080
Rahul Kanwal @rahulkanwal

Shiv Sena is increasingly convinced that Sharad Pawar is playing a double game. Thackerays no longer certain of NCP’s real motives, which is why Udhav opened direct line with Cong leaders. At this moment Cong seems more keen on partnering with Sena than NCP. Wheels within wheels.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 14 Nov 2019 11:18

Rafale petition dismissed! All clear.


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