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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ArjunPandit » 18 Nov 2019 22:55

Rsatchi wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:If Omar can "keep" them (and his Power, Pelf etc are now gone) so can others. The trouble with a clean sweep is that these have massive followings. When you think of UndieTV, what comes to mind? (ugh!) These are their only Assettes.

Winning Hearts and Minds is far easier. Consider that they have no conscience worth mentioning. I bet Dara Butt can wear saffron in a flash. If even the original jungal dakoo could utter RamaRamaRama... and turn into Valmiki, why not Darka, hain?

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Before wearing anything should she be hauled before a magistrate for supporting terrorism(her interview substantiating muslim atrocities on K pandits) or some stupid US committee for 26/11 reporting and loss of Emmrican lifes. :shock:
Also a noob pooch: has a look notice been issued against Roy and Begum what if they try to leave the country?

i think using her as a turn coat of much more use right now..they are a 'credible' voice in bestern circles...unlike loudmouth doorknob and sudhir tihadi..they are a credible voice and gives them the view of 'fair' and 'balanced' voices coming from the land of heathen, poor people and hungry people...i am sure with right knobs these guys can be made to sing like lata mangeshkar tai.....

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ShyamSP » 18 Nov 2019 22:55

chetak wrote:two conditions should be imposed on the SS.

kick raut out

no one from the family will get any govt post or ministership



twitter


Latest that I have heard from the #ShivSena camp - Uddhav Thackrey has given clear instructions to partymen not utter a word against the BJP. This space is only getting interesting #MaharashtraPoliticalCrisis #Maharashtra #BJP

6:05 AM - 18 Nov 2019


It is better for BJP to give them posts and stop this MH drama as it is not looking good for two Hindu parties fighting each other. Best thing is make UT CM on the condition that SS merges into BJP completely. :)

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 18 Nov 2019 22:58

UT is DumbA$$ moron. That moron will certainly lose MH forever given 5 years of his PAPPU rule.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 18 Nov 2019 23:27

vijayk wrote:UT is DumbA$$ moron. That moron will certainly lose MH forever given 5 years of his PAPPU rule.


and drag the BJP down with him.

He is certainly not used to taking responsibility.

That could be a genetic trait as well because people who only know how to run things from behind the scenes are not going to be hot on things like accountability and responsibility.

They will be more tuned to the concept of a sacrificial goat as a management technique.

Right now, the SS line of succession is beginning to look increasingly iffy and the SS is probably in an existential crisis situation.

Either way, the pedantic SS leadership has grossly misplayed their already weak hand and have also foolishly and shortsightedly revealed their cards without ever having really seen their opponent's hands.

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Postby Prem Kumar » 18 Nov 2019 23:45

UlanBatori wrote:It may ba a great opportunity to actually do something positive and buy them out lock stock and url


Slightly different take. NDTV must be given the Neutron Bomb treatment. Eliminate the staff. Keep the infra.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 18 Nov 2019 23:50

https://twitter.com/rssurjewala/status/ ... 2255660033
Randeep Singh Surjewala @rssurjewala

Sh. Sharad Pawar met the Congress President today and briefed her on the situation in Maharashtra. It was decided that in a day or two, representatives from NCP & Congress will meet in Delhi to discuss the way forward.

Last week itself the 3 parties had met and finalized a deal. All that was left was Matashree's ok.

So this NCP/CON meet again is going to delay the whole thing. And then they will need to have a Sena/NCP/CON meet to draw up the latest agreement. And then it will again need to be sent to MataShree for approval.

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1196411838423953411
ANI @ANI

Sharad Pawar after meeting Sonia Gandhi: We discussed in detail about Maharashtra's political situation. I briefed her on it. Mr. AK Antony was also there. Certain leaders of both(Congress-NCP) parties will meet and discuss further and get back to us

https://twitter.com/iMac_too/status/1196417341405331456
iMac_too @iMac_too

Mentioning presence of Antony is a dead giveaway
So the issue seems to be with CON extending support to Sena and its likely impact on CON prospects elsewhere. Sena will have to turn greener to bring a re-alignment with CON.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 19 Nov 2019 00:02

the story of 40 SS MLAs splitting has been doing the rounds almost from day 1.

UT/AT may really be stuck between a rock and a hard place.

More so, with idiot sanjay raut wantonly pouring fuel on the blazing embers.


Sena MLAs upset with Uddhav for joining hands with Congress and NCP, say insiders



Sena MLAs upset with Uddhav for joining hands with Congress and NCP, say insiders


Last week, the unrest amongst the MLAs had reportedly led to ugly scenes at the hotel. The MLAs engaged in abusive arguments and even physical fights, sources said.


18th November 2019

MUMBAI: As the drama over government formation in Maharashtra continues, Shiv Sena insiders have revealed that a major chunk of party MLAs was unhappy with Uddhav Thackeray when he announced his decision to join hands with the Congress and the NCP to form a government in the state.

This massive unrest among the MLAs was one of the reasons why they were allowed to return to their respective homes, party sources have claimed.

After the BJP declined the Maharashtra governor’s invitation to form the government, the Shiv Sena had shifted all its MLAs to a hotel in Mumbai. It was at this hotel that the MLAs expressed serious concerns over the party leadership's stand to seek support from Congress and NCP for government formation in the state.

Initially, the dissent was meek but it grew louder with each passing day and that was one of the reasons why the party leadership decided to let MLAs to return to their homes, Shiv Sena insiders have said.

Last week, the unrest amongst the MLAs had reportedly led to ugly scenes at the hotel. The MLAs engaged in abusive arguments and even physical fights, sources said. These fights were one of the reasons why Aaditya Thackeray had to rush to the hotel almost around midnight to calm them down, they added.

The Shiv Sena has 56 MLAs of its own and they lodged at Hotel Retreat in the Western Mumbai suburb of Malad to allay fears of poaching. As many as 40 out of these MLAs were on the verge of revolt.

“How can we justify joining hands with those against whom we have contested for years,” the MLAs had asked the party leadership which couldn’t provide satisfactory answers, the sources said.

While the Congress and the NCP have not been able to decide on allying with the Shiv Sena, the internal dilemma within the Uddhav Thackeray-led party too might have an impact on the politics of Maharashtra in the days to come.


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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ShyamSP » 19 Nov 2019 00:12

chetak wrote:
vijayk wrote:UT is DumbA$$ moron. That moron will certainly lose MH forever given 5 years of his PAPPU rule.


and drag the BJP down with him.

He is certainly not used to taking responsibility.

That could be a genetic trait as well because people who only know how to run things from behind the scenes are not going to be hot on things like accountability and responsibility.

They will be more tuned to the concept of a sacrificial goat as a management technique.

Right now, the SS line of succession is beginning to look increasingly iffy and the SS is probably in an existential crisis situation.

Either way, the pedantic SS leadership has grossly misplayed their already weak hand and have also foolishly and shortsightedly revealed their cards without ever having really seen their opponent's hands.

This drama episode showed a lot of hands. Sun Tsu says some times stupidity of self reveals cunningness of opponent (I made it up :) ). I originally thought they or self pushed SS to NCP and INC to avoid anti-incumbency in 3-4 years affecting general election in MH.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 19 Nov 2019 00:19

twitter


#MAHAStalemate Sharad Pawar has to remember two things as he has 2 options only

1. Remember the glory and respect of Padma Vibhushan

or

2. Remember the professionalism of ED, CBI, etc

that the fulcrum of Maha politics now in a nutshell

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 19 Nov 2019 00:21

ShyamSP wrote:It is better for BJP to give them posts and stop this MH drama as it is not looking good for two Hindu parties fighting each other. Best thing is make UT CM on the condition that SS merges into BJP completely. :)

Shah has been clear from day 1 that DF is going to be the CM for the full 5 years of a BJP/Sena alliance. IF BJP wanted to compromise on that it would have done it long back.

BJP infact pushed the Sena towards NCP/CON by refusing to bargain on that point.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 19 Nov 2019 00:33

ShyamSP wrote:
chetak wrote:
and drag the BJP down with him.

He is certainly not used to taking responsibility.

That could be a genetic trait as well because people who only know how to run things from behind the scenes are not going to be hot on things like accountability and responsibility.

They will be more tuned to the concept of a sacrificial goat as a management technique.

Right now, the SS line of succession is beginning to look increasingly iffy and the SS is probably in an existential crisis situation.

Either way, the pedantic SS leadership has grossly misplayed their already weak hand and have also foolishly and shortsightedly revealed their cards without ever having really seen their opponent's hands.

This drama episode showed a lot of hands. Sun Tsu says some times stupidity of self reveals cunningness of opponent (I made it up :) ). I originally thought they or self pushed SS to NCP and INC to avoid anti-incumbency in 3-4 years affecting general election in MH.


the NCP/Congis put down a lot of humiliating conditions, testing the waters and heaping humiliations on UT/AT to weaken their negotiating position and effectively sidelining the SS leadership in the eyes of the voting public.

the difference between the NCP and the congis with respect to sharing of the spoils of the windfall that so unexpectedly fell into their laps is likely the crux of the matter.

both of them have yet to reveal their hands.

All that they did was to ensure publicly that SS was made really desperate and perhaps even reckless in their great desire to grab the CMs gaddi.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 19 Nov 2019 00:42

chetak wrote:All that they did was to ensure publicly that SS was really desperate and perhaps even reckless in their great desire to grab the CMs gaddi.
BJP & NCP ensured that Sena revealed its true ideology infornt of its home crowd. BJP pushed them and NCP pulled them in. Serves the purpose of both.

If they do manage to form a government it will again serve the purpose of both BJP and NCP. How does it serve the NCP? Look what we have ...
https://twitter.com/TimesNow/status/1196419436518858752
TIMES NOW @TimesNow

Muslim body Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind writes to Sonia Gandhi.

Do not support @ShivSena. It’ll be very harmful for the @INCIndia’, says Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind.

TIMES NOW’s Prashant with more details. Listen in. | #MahaWarningForCong
If the Muslims that still vote CON in Maha decide to migrate where will the flock? NCP or Owasi.

If they want to go with the one best positioned to beat BJP, they will shift to NCP. OTOH, if they decide all Hindu led parties as untrust-worthy, they will align with Owasi. This will benefit BJP too! CON will be a net looser in both the scenarios and this is not counting its losses outside Maha.

BJP/NCP get an opportunity to squeeze both Sena and CON together. What is not to like about this scenario?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KL Dubey » 19 Nov 2019 01:17

chetak wrote:Jaishankar is quite refreshingly unlike any baboo that one has seen so far.


That is why he is no longer a babu and has been made a neta.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby nachiket » 19 Nov 2019 01:33

Vikas wrote:PS: Twitter is claiming the Supriya Sule, Daughter of Pawar bhau is married to first cousin of Uddhav ji.
Was U-turn Kejri right when he proclaimed,"Sub saale mile hue hain"

This is true. Supriya Sule's husband Sadanand Sule is the son of Bal Thackeray's sister. The families have always been close outside of politics. Back in the 60's BT and Pawar were close even in politics. The Cong supported SS as a force against the commies and trade-unionists back then. Here is an interesting photo from back in the day - Bal Thackeray, Sharad Pawar and George Fernandes.

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Link to article here:
https://www.deccanherald.com/assembly-e ... 76707.html

Thackeray always fondly referred to Pawar as "Sharad Babu" and from political stage called him 'maidyaancha pota' (sack of flour) :rotfl: - and for the latter it was Balasaheb. The two leaders not only discussed about politics but they discussed art, culture and sports. Whenever time permitted, Pawar, the Maratha strongman, would visit Matoshree, the bungalow of the Thackerays in Bandra, He enjoyed food cooked by Thackeray's wife Meenatai.


So Kejriwal is right. "Sab mile hue hai" is true in more than one ways.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 19 Nov 2019 01:48

quick question - Does any popular news aggregators source swarajyamag.com news?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby UlanBatori » 19 Nov 2019 01:52

chetak wrote:twitter

#MAHAStalemate Sharad Pawar has to remember two things as he has 2 options only

1. Remember the glory and respect of Padma Vibhushan
or
2. Remember the professionalism of ED, CBI, etc

that the fulcrum of Maha politics now in a nutshell

Being a loyal jingostani I will not ask :eek: why the Bropheshunalijm etc don't operate if the goonda joins the BJP.....

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KL Dubey » 19 Nov 2019 03:59

This one is fairly well-reasoned and also rather hilarious to read:

https://theprint.in/opinion/shiv-sena-ncp-congress-walking-into-amit-shah-trap-in-maharashtra/321515/

The more this drama plays out, the more it is looking like Amit is in good control of the whole thing and Pawar is playing along for multiple possible reasons (both want to get rid of SS, Pawar wants relief from ED/CBI hounds, etc). It seems like Amit has turned a pain-in-the-azz like SS into a political tool. Uddhav and Aditya, to repeat myself, are dorks and greenhorns. On top of that there are clowns and comedians like Sanjay Raut, Arvind Sawant etc. Kya hai bhai.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 19 Nov 2019 05:03

KL Dubey wrote:This one is fairly well-reasoned and also rather hilarious to read:

https://theprint.in/opinion/shiv-sena-ncp-congress-walking-into-amit-shah-trap-in-maharashtra/321515/

The more this drama plays out, the more it is looking like Amit is in good control of the whole thing and Pawar is playing along for multiple possible reasons (both want to get rid of SS, Pawar wants relief from ED/CBI hounds, etc). It seems like Amit has turned a pain-in-the-azz like SS into a political tool. Uddhav and Aditya, to repeat myself, are dorks and greenhorns. On top of that there are clowns and comedians like Sanjay Raut, Arvind Sawant etc. Kya hai bhai.


These things go out of control however you think you are in control.

But I blame SS thugs for all this nonsense. These scum bags were enjoying power, making money, abusing Modi day in and day out but hanging on their coat tails to win more seats. They overplayed their cards. If the BJP caved into their shenanigans, they would be like Bhasmasur. Their inferiority complex and cluelessness would not only burn them but would destroy BJP in 2024.

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Postby Sachin » 19 Nov 2019 10:07

Mean while what is happening at JNU the heaven of freeloaders. Looks like the Ajaadi gang is hell bent on creating L&O issues there. And CRPF and Dilli Pulis have given them a good doze of Ajaadi yesterday. Looks like for Dilli Pulis what ever they got from the laywer groups they have passed it on with compound interest to the JNU riff-raffs.
JNU protest: After tense showdown with Delhi Police, students to continue demonstration today

And the Shiv Sena-NCP-Congress "Govt." is going no where. Sanjay Raut may have to go back to the hospital again.
Pawar, Sonia want wider consultations on Maharashtra

Meanwhile Ramachandra Guha and Co do not want NRC to happen at a national level. All this while two days back an elederly couple in KL had been murdered by Bangladeshi illegals, who were caught and brought back from AP.
'NRC on national scale could be a disaster'

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Postby abhijitm » 19 Nov 2019 10:11

SP is as of now the tallest politician in MH and they say as with any such leader has gigantic ego. He is old, had cancer and still personally running around, doing negotiation while UT a non mass leader sending his tinpot messenger for negotiation with SP. This arrogance may not go down well with SP and within NCP ranks.

I mean imagine SP meets SG for an hour, comes back and then this raut meets him
Raut: what did she say? Are you both agreed? Are you going to support us? What should I tell uddhav ji? Tell me tell me tell me
SP: yeh yeh lets see
Raut: ok ok jai maharashtra

Raut comes out and tell journalist "next CM will be from shiv sena"

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ramana » 19 Nov 2019 10:18

It's still too early. Wait and watch.

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Postby Vikas » 19 Nov 2019 10:32

Why is it being claimed that BJP pushed SS into NCP+Cong arms. BJP only followed what was decided before polls.
It was UT which got greedy and wanted to claim ownership of the hen laying golden eggs. He is happy being a football.
SS may still form the govt with CM'ship but they would be lame duck from the beginning. It was easier to abuse DF and Modi Ji and Amit bhai day in day out via Saamna but once they get into bed with Cong forces, They will be howling soon.

The complete silence from BJP tells me that they really aren't too much worried about the games being played in Maha.
If UT has to send his son to pacify the MLA's, you can imagine the state of affairs in SS.
2 warring parties coming together to form a govt never ever lasts long.
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby g.sarkar » 19 Nov 2019 10:49

Vikasji,
We are only seeing a part of the picture. There was similar doubts when BJP joined in a coalition with Mehbooba Mufti. It is clear today why. IMHO, SS and BJP both represent a similar section of the voters. This state of affaairs has to come to an end, and BJP is working towards it quietly. SS is not willing to remain a junior partner and can not be trusted on the long run. We shall soon see that the coalition of SS+NCP+Congress will eliminate SS as a power in Maharashtra.
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Postby Vikas » 19 Nov 2019 11:35

Sarkar Ji, I trust AS and NM when it comes to politics and talking care of Bhartiya interests.
UT soon will be another CBN and NK who are one trick monkey without BJP support.
Meanwhile the willy Maratha i.e. Kaka Pawar is running his own circles around Sonia and UT and NM adds to the rumor mill by praising them publicly

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

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Postby chetak » 19 Nov 2019 14:01

If the "alliance" does not form the govt, there are "other" considerations in play.

the abrahamics understand the concept of taqiya very well indeed and use it frequently to achieve their ends.

and again, for the abrahamics, power always and invariably flows from the barrel of the secular gun and that is how they have subdued the majority since independence using the twin political narcotics of gandhi and secularism


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Congress managers are smart enough to realise that not a single Muslim, Christian or secular vote will be lost by Congress for allying with Shiv Sena. Both Congress and its Abrahamic vote bank are clever, strategic and long term
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Postby abhijitm » 19 Nov 2019 14:05

chetak wrote:If the "alliance" does not form the govt, there are "other" considerations in play.

the abrahamics understand the concept of taqiya very well indeed and use it frequently to achieve their ends.


twitter


Congress managers are smart enough to realise that not a single Muslim, Christian or secular vote will be lost by Congress for allying with Shiv Sena. Both Congress and its Abrahamic vote bank are clever, strategic and long term

Seculars will be in fact happy to see a saffron party being pull down and made to eat grass. In this entire picture there is nowhere cong or ncp are compromising. It is SS who is striping in public. No reason for cong or ncp votebank to worry.

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Postby hanumadu » 19 Nov 2019 14:16

And the congress and ncp are making it clear to their vote bank that they are in control and SS is under their thumb.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 19 Nov 2019 14:21

abhijitm wrote:
chetak wrote:If the "alliance" does not form the govt, there are "other" considerations in play.

the abrahamics understand the concept of taqiya very well indeed and use it frequently to achieve their ends.


twitter



Seculars will be in fact happy to see a saffron party being pull down and made to eat grass. In this entire picture there is nowhere cong or ncp are compromising. It is SS who is striping in public. No reason for cong or ncp votebank to worry.


The point being the heavy duty cases against people who thought that they were eternally immune, always above the law which would anyway never dare to come visiting them in their home turf.

all the rest is more like window dressing and for public consumption only.

the public vastra haran of the SS is an exercise that was as essential as it is long overdue and it needed to be done to skewer the empty-headed and delusional leadership of these rank opportunists.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 19 Nov 2019 14:28

abhijitm wrote:
chetak wrote:If the "alliance" does not form the govt, there are "other" considerations in play.

the abrahamics understand the concept of taqiya very well indeed and use it frequently to achieve their ends.

Seculars will be in fact happy to see a saffron party being pull down and made to eat grass. In this entire picture there is nowhere cong or ncp are compromising. It is SS who is striping in public. No reason for cong or ncp votebank to worry.

Temporary ... Karnataka is the latest example where sickulars ganged up on BJP and that victory was celebrated across India and in the media.

A Sena/NCP/CON government will not last but will hand the long-term advantage to BJP. This is why Shah/Modi made the bold play to cut Sena loose. IF Sena returns, it has no bargaining power left. If it does not, BJP is the only place for the malcontents ex-Sena, voters, workers and leaders.

Same is true for NCP. NCP scored better than CON and therefore is better placed to defeat BJP. All tactical CON abrahamics will move to NCP while some Muslims may opt for Owasi. To the extent some Muslims opt for Owasi, to that extent BJP benefits because that vote simply is nullified.

Owasi recently pulled ~9% vote in some by-elections in Bihar and that has made the sickular camp nervous. Same reason same result for BJP.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Karthik S » 19 Nov 2019 14:34

Vikas wrote:Sarkar Ji, I trust AS and NM when it comes to politics and talking care of Bhartiya interests.
UT soon will be another CBN and NK who are one trick monkey without BJP support.
Meanwhile the willy Maratha i.e. Kaka Pawar is running his own circles around Sonia and UT and NM adds to the rumor mill by praising them publicly


Hope MH doesn't end up like AP under the hands of BiFs. Priority is not BJP winning but people like YSJ not coming to power.

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Postby pankajs » 19 Nov 2019 14:38

https://twitter.com/iMac_too/status/1196444444674818053
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Boxer is saying Congress is in no mood to form govt with Sena before January
And they were supposed to meet the Maha. Gov. last Saturday.

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1196442920125026304
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Sanjay Raut,Shiv Sena after meeting NCP Chief Sharad Pawar: The responsibility to form Govt was not ours, the ones who had that responsibility ran away, but I am confident that soon we will have a Govt in place. #MaharashtraGovtFormation
Hmmm ... Change of tone and 3 observation in the highlighted portion.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 19 Nov 2019 14:51

Looks like most folks missed this bit of news or have forgotten its lesson ...

https://www.indiatoday.in/elections/sto ... 2019-10-25
2019 bypoll results: How Asaduddin Owaisi-led AIMIM's surprise win has shaken political equilibrium in Bihar
By winning Kishanganj's assembly seat Asaduddin Owaisi's AIMIM has created a huge splash in Bihar's political scenario. Asaduddin Owaisi's victory has clearly upset the applecart of the traditional political thinkers, who believe the sizeable Muslim population will be forced to vote for RJD-Congress.

But, the emergence of Asaduddin Owaisi's AIMIM as a viable alternative for Muslims is clearly bad news for both RJD and Congress at a time when Bihar is scheduled to have assembly polls next year.

Owaisi's entry into Bihar can do 3 things to its politics

1. Split the Muslim votes
2. Polarizies the voters
3. Make the RJD/CON go full retard in competition with Owaisi. In which case, it makes point 1 & 2 stand out even more.

No matter how it plays out, the ultimate beneficiary will be BJP even while it hurts JDU. The last bit again benefits BJP. BJP can keep diluting its Hindutva agenda while still getting the votes. Suits Modi the Vikas purush!

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Postby Vikas » 19 Nov 2019 16:14

As much as I am not a fan of Bhaiwood but its nice to see words like 'Bhagwa' becoming part of lexicon.
Somewhere some forgotten Heros are being brought to life. Soon it will become a Tsunami. Expect a movie on Maharana Pratap soon.
Waiting the day they make a Hindi movie on Vijaynagara & Chola empire. At least a bilingual one if not in only Hindi.
A realistic movie on Hari Singh Nalwa and how North West was won too would do wonders if they don't make it PC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cffAGIYTEHU

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Postby abhijitm » 19 Nov 2019 16:18

Vikas wrote:As much as I am not a fan of Bhaiwood but its nice to see words like 'Bhagwa' becoming part of lexicon.
Somewhere some forgotten Heros are being brought to life. Soon it will become a Tsunami. Expect a movie on Maharana Pratap soon.
Waiting the day they make a Hindi movie on Vijaynagara & Chola empire. At least a bilingual one if not in only Hindi.
A realistic movie on Hari Singh Nalwa and how North West was won too would do wonders if they don't make it PC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cffAGIYTEHU

Movies on Shivaji Maharaj wars are inspiring, mainly because everything ends up in victory. Not a very popular subject among seculars. Most suitable stories for them are how hindus faught bravely and lost, and how peacefuls won in the end. Everyone is happy. Panipat is latest example.

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Postby Vikas » 19 Nov 2019 16:25

Does Shia-Sunni divide not play out during polls in Muslim dominated areas ?
Aren't Owaisi Shia family ?

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Postby Vikas » 19 Nov 2019 16:34

abhijitm wrote:
Vikas wrote:As much as I am not a fan of Bhaiwood but its nice to see words like 'Bhagwa' becoming part of lexicon.
Somewhere some forgotten Heros are being brought to life. Soon it will become a Tsunami. Expect a movie on Maharana Pratap soon.
Waiting the day they make a Hindi movie on Vijaynagara & Chola empire. At least a bilingual one if not in only Hindi.
A realistic movie on Hari Singh Nalwa and how North West was won too would do wonders if they don't make it PC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cffAGIYTEHU

Movies on Shivaji Maharaj wars are inspiring, mainly because everything ends up in victory. Not a very popular subject among seculars. Most suitable stories for them are how hindus faught bravely and lost, and how peacefuls won in the end. Everyone is happy. Panipat is latest example.


Yeah but reality is that we don't have many instances of Hindus winning absolutely during Islamic era in India other than Maratha empire. I can speak of Hindi Movies and I don't see any on M Visvesvaraya or The battle of Kashmir-1947
or even on Liberation of Hyderabad.
What we get is one guy unable to marry, another one where sperms gets switched or a Muslim guy chasing a Hindu girl or
someone going bald or old balding heroes playing just out of college.

Meanwhile heard that they are making PrithviRaj with Akshay but they will never show what happened to Sanyogita
and the role played by that bloody creep from Ajmer. That would be so unsecular. They will show false history of blind Prithvi killing Mohd. Ghauri and everyone will go home happy.

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Postby abhijitm » 19 Nov 2019 16:37

^^ not surprising eh that they don't teach anything about maratha empire in schools.

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Postby Vikas » 19 Nov 2019 16:45

Sachin wrote:Mean while what is happening at JNU the heaven of freeloaders. Looks like the Ajaadi gang is hell bent on creating L&O issues there. And CRPF and Dilli Pulis have given them a good doze of Ajaadi yesterday. Looks like for Dilli Pulis what ever they got from the laywer groups they have passed it on with compound interest to the JNU riff-raffs.
JNU protest: After tense showdown with Delhi Police, students to continue demonstration today

And the Shiv Sena-NCP-Congress "Govt." is going no where. Sanjay Raut may have to go back to the hospital again.
Pawar, Sonia want wider consultations on Maharashtra

Meanwhile Ramachandra Guha and Co do not want NRC to happen at a national level. All this while two days back an elederly couple in KL had been murdered by Bangladeshi illegals, who were caught and brought back from AP.
'NRC on national scale could be a disaster'


What right do freeloaders have on demanding almost free facilities ? Kick them out and convert it to something better.
How about the hospital that sickular gang kept asking for in Ayodhya instead of Ram mandir.
Guha and Gang have no say anymore in current scheme of things just like commies now are confined to newspapers outside KL.

By the way, how many have asked Muslims to construct a school or Hospital on 5 acres land that we gave them like we were being asked ?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Vikas » 19 Nov 2019 16:51

abhijitm wrote:^^ not surprising eh that they don't teach anything about maratha empire in schools.


In my NCERT school books, There were mainly 3 references to Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj,
1, He used guerilla tactics with rag tag army
2. He was imprisoned by Aurangzeb in Agra and he escaped in a sweets basket
3. Aurangzeb called him mountain rat.
Nothing about his struggles, his wars, his challenges or his coronation but instead we were taught that 'Pious' Zeb used to sew caps for household expenses.

Next chapter was Panipat' 1761 with no reference to the middle period of Maratha empire and its expansion and then it was 1857 with no mention of Sikh exploits.

For years I could not fathom Why Maratha would travel all the way to Panipat to fight a distant invader with whom they had nothing to do and why Mughal King, The so called Emperor of India was MIA in all this.


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