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UlanBatori wrote:Does this mean it is dead? What kept the NDA's remainder from coming out to vote? AS losing his danda?
No. This means that the Bill would NOT goto any select committee which would sit on it for ever. The next voting would be for the actual passing of the bill.
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can we see this live?
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In India, anything you want to kill but without creating a ruckus or allowing for a face saver, you form a committee or send it to an already formed committee.
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Calm down, brothers.

The Rajya Sabha voted AGAINST sending the bill to a select committee. Sending a bill to a select committee can mean putting it into cold storage.
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Although now that I think about it, why were there only 116 votes against sending the bill to the select committee? It should be the full strength of the NDA no?

Dhoti-shiver time?
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Ah! Thanks. Updated UBCN Predictor-Corrector.
On the actual vote.
121 FOR, 92 against, the rest are idiots who Walked Out.

Full strength of NDA is only 117. AS' danda is working fine.
I thought there would be votes from the "non-partisan" appointed Fruits&Nuts, but maybe I am wrong.
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sajo wrote:Rajya Sabha votes against the Citizenship Amendment Bill.
Talk about jumping the gun, or scissor cut with dhoti on. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Vikas wrote:The amount of sympathy and arm twisting in favor of Peacefools is beyond comprehension. Forget our neighborhood, Even US is shedding tears When India is offering roof over the head to persecuted minorities.
Turn this upside down and consider a bill where only Muslims were allowed to apply for CAB, every one would have been jumping with joy and idiots like Sibbal and PK would have been on the forefront supporting the bill.

I feel scared of the scale of the fight that Hindus are fighting with hands tied behind.
Consider this, why is USA or Pakhis feeling uncomfortable with this bill. They can always offer their land for the persecuted Muslim minorities, can't they.
With this bill, The gates will be partially closed forever. As soon as one of the 3.25 forefathers of Pakhis go bellyup and Cheeni uncle come to collect the rent, India will suddenly become loving motherland to many Pakistanis and they will
suddenly develop love for Indian citizenship.

We need someone like Modi Ji and Amit Shah for next decade to cleanup the sewage that flows in the name of Looten, Liberal and Esscular.
Vikasji
All the 'Camp-Neons' of 'Who-man Wrights' aka Goras Western Democracries, are crying wolf on this CAB bill.
When Napak go belly-up, they don't want the unwashed Abduls washing up on their shores :lol:
It is like this: every Gora Democracy 'Nativity Play' is a must during X-mas and it is all sickular.
Agar hum Vande Matram school me compulsory gaaye, ho Hindu Brahminical dominance and not sickular :rotfl: :rotfl:
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https://twitter.com/Indian_Index/status ... 31104?s=20

Share (%) of speakers’ in total population:

Hindi:
1971: 36.99%
2011: 43.63%

Bengali:
1971: 8.17%
2011: 8.03%

Telugu:
1971: 8.16%
2011: 6.70%

Marathi:
1971: 7.61%
2011: 6.86%

Tamil:
1971: 6.88%
2011: 5.70%

Malayalam:
1971: 4.00%
2011: 2.88%

(Census)
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The final number after voting to send the bill to select committee is 99 Ayes and 124 Noes.
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As expected, the 3 Shiv Sena MPs have walked out of the House.
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https://twitter.com/sreemoytalukdar/sta ... 7401079808
Sreemoy Talukdar @sreemoytalukdar

Another disappointing intervention from a Congress luminary, this time @KapilSibal. High on rhetoric, low on logic. He makes a damaging insinuation that Hindus who fled the Islamic nations were not persecuted.
What's happening during #CitizenshipAmmendmentBill2019 debate is that Congress is being forced to shed its 'soft-Hindutva' image that it tried to float during 2019 elections through Kailash yatra or appropriation of saffron symbols.
Theek hai. All to the benefit of BJP. Modi will not mind. Getting people and parties to place on record their position on persecution of Hindus is also an objective.
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Krita wrote:
sajo wrote:Rajya Sabha votes against the Citizenship Amendment Bill.
Talk about jumping the gun, or scissor cut with dhoti on. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
googly :lol:
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Ho gaya pass. :D

125 - 105

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pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/sreemoytalukdar/sta ... 7401079808
Sreemoy Talukdar @sreemoytalukdar

Another disappointing intervention from a Congress luminary, this time @KapilSibal. High on rhetoric, low on logic. He makes a damaging insinuation that Hindus who fled the Islamic nations were not persecuted.
What's happening during #CitizenshipAmmendmentBill2019 debate is that Congress is being forced to shed its 'soft-Hindutva' image that it tried to float during 2019 elections through Kailash yatra or appropriation of saffron symbols.
Theek hai. All to the benefit of BJP. Modi will not mind. Getting people and parties to place on record their position on persecution of Hindus is also an objective.
That bleddy Mudi has already indicated as much ... very unkind of Modi forcing parties to go on record.
https://twitter.com/OpIndia_com/status/ ... 7864518657
OpIndia.com @OpIndia_com

Citizenship Amendment Bill debate: Opposition speaking the same language as Pakistan, says PM Modi
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guys pakka na?
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sooraj wrote:
Krita wrote: Talk about jumping the gun, or scissor cut with dhoti on. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
googly :lol:
The shibbering got the better of me! Should have known better.
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Pakka paas ho gya
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anmol wrote:Ho gaya pass. :D

117-92
It seems to have passed with 125 to 105. I think you're interpreting the previous vote (whether or not to send it to a committee) in reverse :-? .

EDIT: Saw the post below, sorry.
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117-92 was shown on TV. but there were few MPs still to vote. 125-105 is the final count.
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Need to find out which parties voted against the bill and which in favor.
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Sukhada
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Never forget that Shiv Sena abstained from voting on the #CitizenshipAmmendmentBill2019

This party touches new lows everyday.
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Members are given time to confirm or change their vote. The Final tally is often at variance to the initial display.

https://twitter.com/bainjal/status/1204728488034353152
Swati Chaturvedi @bainjal

So JDU & Nitish Kumar defend #CABBill as Modi & Shah allies while new congress ally Shiv Sena will abstain from voting in the RS. Divisions in the Maharashtra alliance clear
A durbari ...

In reply by a friend but not a durbari ...
https://twitter.com/sadhavi/status/1204729947610206209
Sadhavi Khosla @sadhavi

But what I really don’t understand that why is Congress upset with Shiv Sena now? As if they didn’t know 2 weeks ago that #CABBill is about to be presented in the winter session and that Shiv Sena brings. Hardcore hindutva party will support the bill.

Ab kya ho gya?
Also note: All this was done in the full glare of the media and accompanied with a lot of sound and fury. The exchanges will be remembered and recalled with little prodding. Modi got what he wanted.
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Amit Shah ji, could you please take a well-earned rest for a couple of weeks at least? The country needs you around. Solving one "utterly impossible to solve" issue per month for six months in a row is a hefty strike rate, it is impressive, but it will take its toll.
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yaar more tension till confirmation.
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till confirmation meaning?
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Karthik S wrote:yaar more tension till confirmation.
125 Ayes where only 120 was required. "Communals" win while "seculars" lose.
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Done and dusted ... 125 out of 125+105 = 230. Therefore halfway mark was 115 and a simple majority needed would be 116. Passed comfortably.

Will CON attack Sena for walking out? It wouldn't have defeated the bill but at least made the contest closer.
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If pak is broken into pieces, the resultant chaos will make people run for Iran, Afg and India, can this bill be used to stop them at the border? It can be done even otherwise but now that we have a law, will it make more easier? Asking because have seen baba mention several times about getting independence for people for baluchistan, sind etc.
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Rony wrote:https://twitter.com/Indian_Index/status ... 31104?s=20
Share (%) of speakers’ in total population:
Malayalam:
1971: 4.00%
2011: 2.88%
etc. That is because Modern Gen can only speak Angreji or at most Manglish. :P
Where is Urdu? Arabic? And what do the Bissful in BD speak?
(Census)
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75% majority in LS and 55% majority in RS for CAB Bill...this is clearly the mandate of the population and the states, is totally constitutional, and no court in its right mind should be meddling with this legislation.

And in the process, yet another wedge driven between the SS jokers and Congis.

Wonderful job by Amit Shah. He is truly emerging as a modern-day Sardar Patel. Big shoes to fill, but with 370, RJB (final stages), and CAB in his list of achievements...and NRC, UCC et al coming up, he is certainly approaching that status.
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NRC is at least a year away ..

1. Shah or Modi mentioned stated that somewhere.
2. Process all the CAB related cases in fast track such that there is no panic during NRC like the last time.
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HA!!!

UlanBatori wrote:Ah! Thanks. Updated UBCN Predictor-Corrector.
On the actual vote.
121 FOR, 92 against, the rest are idiots who Walked Out.

Full strength of NDA is only 117. AS' danda is working fine.
I thought there would be votes from the "non-partisan" appointed Fruits&Nuts, but maybe I am wrong.
Actual: 125-105. Maybe they served Rooh-Afza Zam Zam Cola to bring in 13 Walk-outees, or maybe the fragrant Dilli winter air invigorated them so much that they came back inside to vote.
This means EIGHT out 12 "appointed members" voted ***FOR*** CAB. Guess of course, since 92 cretins voted to send to Committee.
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Hearty congratulations to MAD and BRFites :-)
3 big long pending problems (Kashmir, Ram mandir, CAB) got addressed favorably boom boom boom...
Now time to move to cleanup judiciary and focus on the economy.
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statement pre prepared and scripted :mrgreen:


Statement by Congress President Smt. Sonia Gandhi on the unconstitutional Citizenship Amendment Bill.


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twitter
DMK and it's likes who till yday were saying that no religion called Hinduism existed, are now saying that Tamils in Srilanka are Hindus.

Thanks to #CAB2019.
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sajo wrote:Amit Shah live : My 7 generations are born here, I am not from "videsh".. I know what the idea of India is.

Epic ! I love it how he is Abba-Harmonium-ing the Khangressis.
"Idea of India" seems to be Tharoor Mama's favorite phrases. In line with Western subtle form of racism over the "heathens".
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