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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Krita » 18 Dec 2019 21:18

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Postby shravanp » 18 Dec 2019 21:24

Posting in full. Article claims
Kangana Ranaut hits out at actors silence on CAA: Bollywood is full of cowards and spineless people

There has been a social media outrage on the silence of Bollywood stars. #ShameonBollywood was a top social media trend, why do you think actors are shying away from speaking?
The actors should be ashamed of themselves. I have no illusions about the fact that Bollywood is full of cowards who are full of themselves. All they do is just look into the mirror 20 times a day and when they're asked they say we have electricity and we have access to everything, we are privileged, why should we be bothered about the country. Some of them even brag about it, that we are artists, we should not be concerned about the nation, they should be dragged for this and that is why I have come out in the open to question them. Some of them are just hiding behind their comfort zone and thinking that all they are above the nation, they're above the people. They're above everything and everyone just because they have electricity, water and beautiful houses to live in. Well, they are in for a very big shock because people are noticing how indifferent they are to the nation and its people and to what is going on in the nation. They are indifferent and that's why I think that trend is absolutely justified.

There is another view point that Bollywood is a soft target and often caught in such situations. If you speak you are targeted, If you don’t speak you are a coward. What is your view on this?
No, I don't think so because this pedestal is given to them to voice their thoughts, to think for the people and to be the leading voices and not just do Instagram posts. What kind of sissies are these people? They are made by people and for the welfare of the people if they can't voice their opinion and are running scared of being trolled or afraid of political parties then the people of India need to know that they don't deserve these platforms. Actors need to be answerable and they need to justify their position, their power. Is this power given to them to do Instagram posts and to do drug parties? For what and why have people given them power, they need to be dragged. They make atrocious films, they make films that we are all ashamed of and also they try and kill genuine cinema. Also, they are very powerful when it comes to propagating mediocre work. So what has happened to them now? They need to be asked, they are no soft target they have made the nation a soft target.

If you get a chance to take to the streets and join in the movement, what would you like to say , what is your message?
We are at the threshold of a great possibility now's the time where decisive decisions are being taken. And we will finally know what is India what is not India who is an Indian who is not an Indian because that clarity no one has yet, you know the governments before have made sure that we do not know our borders and we do not know our population. That's why we have so many issues to deal with: we have a population explosion, we have malnutrition, we have rape issue the gender issue, the gender bias. There are so many issues that we need to deal with. Well, there is a time for charity but charity begins at home we need to make sure that people are not dying at home and then with the charity will happen, whereas and when the time comes

Does the film industry live under the fear of politicians or fear from taking a position because their business suffers, the sentiment is that actors are fearful of upsetting the establishment, what is your take on this?
No, they live under the fear of everything. They are the most scared human beings I've ever seen. They are sissies. They are cowards. They're spineless people. That's why they bully outsiders, they bully girls because they are cowards. And I feel there is really no hope for them. We need to stop projecting them as icons, we need to stop projecting them as our torchbearers, we need to see them for who they are. They are just social media, whatever makeup and clothes posts that they do, pumping their muscles in the gym the whole day. That's who they are. If have the clarity of who they are, we will not be disappointed. So we need to have that clarity and we need to know who our real role models are.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Zynda » 18 Dec 2019 21:29

One question about CAA. What is the reasoning behind the 2014 cutoff year? What will happen to illegals who have entered the country 2015 & on wards?

Secondly, NRC when comes in to effect, per my understanding, all people in India born after 1971 should be able to prove citizenship, correct?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby UlanBatori » 18 Dec 2019 21:48

2014: NaMo-Rajya. Probably get into trouble doing retro to a guvmand that existed before. As it is, retro is always tough.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Thakur_B » 18 Dec 2019 21:50

Zynda wrote:One question about CAA. What is the reasoning behind the 2014 cutoff year? What will happen to illegals who have entered the country 2015 & on wards?


So as to enable those who came in by 31 dec 2014 are eligible for citizenship when the act comes into effect.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KLNMurthy » 18 Dec 2019 22:10

Katare wrote:
pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/Ram_Guha/status/1206588522724917248
https://twitter.com/Ananth_Krishna_/sta ... 1556912128


That’s a lie about Gandhiji, Gandhi justifying violence is kinda oxymoron.

Don't know if Gandhi justified violence during khilafat agitation in so many words, but he supported the khilafat movement, and its two big leaders, the Ali brothers (mohammed ali and shaukat ali) were close to him.

Even Jinnah was annoyed at Gandhi's support for a movement to restore a rotten, dead and gone khilafat as opposed to a dynamic and modern (as was then thought) turkey under atatutk.

Gandhi made a lot of strange and contradictory statements about non-violent "resistance" to evil-minded violence,(some of which amounted to one-sided support for violence) it is all on record, no need for anyone to lie.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ramana » 18 Dec 2019 22:27

Mumbai Folks,
There is a pro CAA rally in Mumbai Church gate Station at 5:00 PM, 19 Dec.

Try to attend if possible.
Arnab's TV might cover.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Katare » 18 Dec 2019 22:40

pankajs wrote:
Katare wrote:
That’s a lie about Gandhiji, Gandhi justifying violence is kinda oxymoron.
Anand Rangamathan just quoted Gandi on the Mopla riots.
https://twitter.com/TimesNow/status/1206951965458149376
TIMES NOW @TimesNow

.@INCIndia is watching another possible division of India: @ARanganathan72, Author tells Rahul Shivshankar on INDIA UPFRONT. | #PeaceNotPolitics

Embedded video; Start @ 1:50 where he claims to quote Gandhi

Further,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malabar_rebellion
Reaction of B. R. Ambedkar:
The blood-curdling atrocities committed by the Moplas in Malabar against the Hindus were indescribable. All over Southern India, a wave of horrified feeling had spread among the Hindus of every shade of opinion, which was intensified when certain Khilafat leaders were so misguided as to pass resolutions of "congratulations to the Moplas on the brave fight they were conducting for the sake of religion". Any person could have said that this was too heavy a price for Hindu-Muslim unity. But Mr. Gandhi was so much obsessed by the necessity of establishing Hindu-Muslim unity that he was prepared to make light of the doings of the Moplas and the Khilafats who were congratulating them. He spoke of the Moplas as the "brave God-fearing Moplas who were fighting for what they consider as religion and in a manner which they consider as religious ".[22]


If you read the very next para of the book it quotes Gandhi condemning the violence in detail. (Kindle won’t allow me to quote by copy paste so I am going to give the gist of the matters)

From the same book -
Ambedkar describes Malabar Rebellion as “essentially a revolt against British Raj”.

Britisher administration was attacked, overthrown/paralyzed and an islamic kingdom declared under a local Raja

In this context the words like brave etc were used in initial phase of the revolt. In the end what started as a freedom fight turned into islamic bigotry of worst kind and it was condemned as such by Gandhi and all other national leaders.

There is another aspect to it which limited the severity of the criticism from top level congress leadership and this is often mis quoted out of context-

Hindus obviously would choose British over such a fanatical rule so the Muslims hardliners used this as proof of Hindu collaboration with christians against islam to perpetrate worst of religious bigotry on them

British govt released highly exaggerated accounts of the violence to further it’s divide and rule policy. Fearing nationwide communal riots and end of freedom movements of both Khilafat and Congress; leaders of both movements made many statements to expose lies of colonial government. Within this context ( to counter British attempt to drive the wedge between communities and weaken the freedom struggle) some of the statements were made which may appear to defend the atrocities commited against Hindus by Mopals.

book also quotes Congress working committee resolution/comments that only 3 families were forcibly converted that they can verify.

Things have a lot of layers, events start oneway and end another. A classic example is professional sickulars today point out contemporary RSS leadership’s appreciation and desire to adopt what Facist and Nazi were doing in Italy and Germany. What they forget to mention is that in the initial phase these regimes were very successful and the atrocities committed by them became known and accepted only yers or decades later. So the RSS leaders were looking at the good parts of early facist/Nazi regime/movement which should not be quoted out of context to suggest that RSS either than or now, condones these philosophies of mass murders.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Kaivalya » 18 Dec 2019 23:22

AmitShahji's interview about CAA,NRC,Secular values and why CAA is a promise undelivered for 70 years


https://www.indiatoday.in/india/video/we-do-not-see-india-as-a-hindu-rashtra-says-amit-shah-1629187-2019-12-18&ved=2ahUKEwjkitOV3L_mAhVChOAKHSe6BV8QwqsBMAB6BAgIEAQ&usg=AOvVaw1KgzspKjLAvQC1PQ5cbBI_

Hopefully this gives confirmation directly that some folks are uncomfortable about
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby syam » 18 Dec 2019 23:24

dwaipayandhar wrote:Somebody equated CAB with OLA and Uber cab services....

:eek: dayyum. . . what sort of idiots we are dealing with really? reminds me of kerala commies storming post office during scrapping 370 time. :lol:

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 18 Dec 2019 23:47

https://twitter.com/jsaideepak/status/1 ... 2138332160
Sai Deepak J @jsaideepak

Citizenship Law Has "Nothing To Do With India's Muslims": Shahi Imam - NDTV. Who wuda thunk that Imam Bukhari would turn out to be more informed than the so-called "intellectuals" of this country, including law students and grads?
What happened to him? He seems to have mellowed down quite a lot. Not that what he says matters.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby UlanBatori » 18 Dec 2019 23:57

^ Maybe thinks, and realizes that the future of good Indian citizens is to be good Indian citizens.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vishvak » 19 Dec 2019 00:06

Things have a lot of layers,

Mostly how Hindus get fooled by colonial imperial jihadi and such systems. It's like Germans 'discovery' of grammar - that natives always spoke wrote and learnt in thousands of schools in each district - before British shut down the schools.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby CRamS » 19 Dec 2019 00:18

Guys,

especially those familiar with media in India, couple of questions:

1. If you see rundyTV, they invite BJP/RSS spokesman, badger the shit out of them, and if they raise their voice or even speak out of turn, they are thrown out. Cases in point: Omar Abdullah's keep throwing out Sambit Patra. Mullah Sreenivasan Jain throwing out col. RSN. Singh, and most recently, when libtards started badgering Shub Rashtra with willing connivance of some bimbo host, Subh Rashtra had to walk out. Bottom line: RundyTV is not least bothered about offending any BJP/RSS spokesman. They show the middle finger to RW sensitivities. And this is somewhat strange given the low TRP rating UndY has at large.

2. Now come to Dorkie's shows or TimesNow. Here, the hosts invite libtards, Islamists, separatists, Pappu slaves, you name it. They come to show, scream their lungs out, Badger the other guests, and pretty much disrupt every debate. And yet, I find neither dorkie, or Rahul Shivshankar or Navika Kumar to name some are ever so coy of throwing the offenders out of their shows. Why is that? And when you consider that republic TV and TimesNow have high TRP ratings, what are they scared of? Why can't they just dismiss uncouth guests?

Reason I ask is because if you have watched past few days, the supporters of Jihadi rioters, both Muslim and 'secular' Hindu, come with the sole aim of disrupting. They have been caught red handed in orchestrating violence. Their central plank that students were peaceful stands in shreds. And they also know that 95% of protests are by Muslims. And all violence is by Muslims. And they keep repeating this theme that protests are 'peaceful', CAA is anti-Muslim, RSS fascist and orchestrating the violence to defame Muslims. And yet you have these pusillanimous anchors helpless in being able to shut such louts out. Whats going on? Can anyone explain?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ritesh » 19 Dec 2019 00:37

Let them come out of their woodwork and expose themselves... The more them speak the more their anti india and anti hindu agenda comes out in open.

Think enough is enough... Now no soft talk etc. The big danda of pandus need to rain down on these vandals urban naxals and jerhardis mercilessly.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby CRamS » 19 Dec 2019 00:53

Undy is on an overdrive to prove Delhi police fired on 'unarmed peaceful students'. Mullah Jain pulled off some SM video to show Delhi police fired. I mean this is hair splitting at its worst. Who the f!ck cares if some Jihadi students were fired at.

It is very clear except for blind haters of ModiJi that the Jamia protests and other protests were no organic peaceful protests. It was a motivated Jihadi riot. Police were on the verge of being mauled and possibly lynched. It was Islamic extremest mob mayhem on the streets of Delhi, and police had to bring in order. In the process there is bound to be some collateral damage. But for many in India and outside (NYT/WP have this on their front pages), this police excess side show, the so called 'anti-Muslim' govt form the headlines. This is the perversion of 70+ years of 'secularism'.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 19 Dec 2019 01:04

CRamS wrote:Guys,

especially those familiar with media in India, couple of questions:

1. If you see rundyTV, they invite BJP/RSS spokesman, badger the shit out of them, and if they raise their voice or even speak out of turn, they are thrown out. Cases in point: Omar Abdullah's keep throwing out Sambit Patra. Mullah Sreenivasan Jain throwing out col. RSN. Singh, and most recently, when libtards started badgering Shub Rashtra with willing connivance of some bimbo host, Subh Rashtra had to walk out. Bottom line: RundyTV is not least bothered about offending any BJP/RSS spokesman. They show the middle finger to RW sensitivities. And this is somewhat strange given the low TRP rating UndY has at large.

2. Now come to Dorkie's shows or TimesNow. Here, the hosts invite libtards, Islamists, separatists, Pappu slaves, you name it. They come to show, scream their lungs out, Badger the other guests, and pretty much disrupt every debate. And yet, I find neither dorkie, or Rahul Shivshankar or Navika Kumar to name some are ever so coy of throwing the offenders out of their shows. Why is that? And when you consider that republic TV and TimesNow have high TRP ratings, what are they scared of? Why can't they just dismiss uncouth guests?

Reason I ask is because if you have watched past few days, the supporters of Jihadi rioters, both Muslim and 'secular' Hindu, come with the sole aim of disrupting. They have been caught red handed in orchestrating violence. Their central plank that students were peaceful stands in shreds. And they also know that 95% of protests are by Muslims. And all violence is by Muslims. And they keep repeating this theme that protests are 'peaceful', CAA is anti-Muslim, RSS fascist and orchestrating the violence to defame Muslims. And yet you have these pusillanimous anchors helpless in being able to shut such louts out. Whats going on? Can anyone explain?
Majority who vote don't watch these channels and I mean Republic and TimesNow. So let them be and chill.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Cain Marko » 19 Dec 2019 01:06

Regarding Imam Bukharis sudden common sense, It probably has something to do with a little squeezing from MAD. They possibly have the goods on most of these guys and will use them at crucial moments. Wonderful.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KLNMurthy » 19 Dec 2019 01:18

pankajs wrote:
Sachin wrote:Citizenship Amendment Act: Govt busts myths
Looks like GoI actually waited for all the various shady characters to come out and reveal their true colours. Now they have given a kind of 10 point list highlighting what CAA would do, and what it would not do. The "seculars" had in the mean while pretty much supported the Islamist cause, and abetted the Islamists to run riot.
Don't know if the GOI set a trap or not.

GOI was certainly cautious because a flareup that could be dumped at its door steps, would have dented its credibility. With the visuals that have reached across the country, now there is no doubt in anyone's mind, who started the disturbance. No amount of spin would change that now so that is a win.

Hopefully, GOI, with its vast reach, can analyze the phone logs with the location data to smoke out the behind the scene network and its nodes that spread the disturbance.

Agree that it's too much of a leap to believe that everything that is happening in the course of events is some kind of uber-chankian trap-setting.

What likely happened here is that BIF may be finding itself at a juncture where they have to play their cards (hoping for a mis-play by Indic forces, or a breach in one of the many soft points in Indic shield, that will give them fresh openings) or lose the value of the cards for ever. For example, Angana Chaterjee et al UCB Haas School have prepared the blueprint for such a scenario in 2013-14 itself.

In this sense they are like a cornered beast fighting for its life or like a losing team applying full-court press. A very dangerous situation for the country.
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KLNMurthy » 19 Dec 2019 01:22

Opindia.com writers are doing a good job systematically researching and exposing the issues and the players. Can someone with contacts please alert them to the Haas School blueprint so that they can bring it out?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby CRamS » 19 Dec 2019 01:54

pankajs wrote:
Majority who vote don't watch these channels and I mean Republic and TimesNow. So let them be and chill.


Maybe so, but mine was more of a media question not a political question. Those familiar with media matters, why is Undy so brazen about silencing their detractors and kicking out RW guests with impunity, while Republic and TimesNow hots tolerate those who disrupt. What gives. Purely media question. Whats the strategy here? Someone above said Republic and TmesNow hosts let the louts vent and show their true colors. But they still disrupt their shows. I can't imagine anyone to sit through that rubbish.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

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KLNMurthy wrote:Opindia.com writers are doing a good job systematically researching and exposing the issues and the players. Can someone with contacts please alert them to the Haas School blueprint so that they can bring it out?


Yes, that reminds me. Need to subscribe to them.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

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KLNMurthy wrote:Opindia.com writers are doing a good job systematically researching and exposing the issues and the players. Can someone with contacts please alert them to the Haas School blueprint so that they can bring it out?

Nupur is on twitter and Rahul Roshan is there too.

Do you have links?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Nikhil T » 19 Dec 2019 03:32

Cain Marko wrote:Regarding Imam Bukharis sudden common sense, It probably has something to do with a little squeezing from MAD. They possibly have the goods on most of these guys and will use them at crucial moments. Wonderful.


Yep, agreed - MAD at work. This must be seen together with Sunni Waqf Board deciding to not appeal the Ayodhya verdict - which would have been unthinkable a few years ago. Every losing SC litigant's first response is to file an appeal.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby V_Raman » 19 Dec 2019 03:51

The minorities are losing credibility very fast by all these actions. Sunni WAKF board will be made to support NRC as well.
They cannot afford to be seen as siding with Islamists. Then all gloves are off and the world opinion too!

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Kati » 19 Dec 2019 03:54

Cain Marko wrote:Regarding Imam Bukharis sudden common sense, It probably has something to do with a little squeezing from MAD. They possibly have the goods on most of these guys and will use them at crucial moments. Wonderful.


Not directly Bukhari, but his handkerchiefs have a lot of dirt, especially related to Wakf board's properties.
CBI has been looking into those silently for some time.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ramana » 19 Dec 2019 04:07

Now Congress is moving the protests to NDA states. They realize the protests in non BJP states have exposed the Mulla-Naxal nexus and were a tactical mistake. So UP, TN, Karnataka et al will see protests.
However Sec 144 has already been invoked in some states.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Skanda » 19 Dec 2019 04:13

CRamS wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote:Opindia.com writers are doing a good job systematically researching and exposing the issues and the players. Can someone with contacts please alert them to the Haas School blueprint so that they can bring it out?


Yes, that reminds me. Need to subscribe to them.


Please support them as well.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ramana » 19 Dec 2019 05:03

Yes thats the rally I was told about in Mumbai.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 19 Dec 2019 05:07

twitter



#CAAProtest Reetam Singh NSUI is the coordinator of protests Screen shots of Whattsapp message " Keep women as first line of defense inform journalist friends to take videos " NSUI and SFI goons instigating students

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 19 Dec 2019 05:20

watch video. This lady has absolutely nailed it

added later: The lady is AMU professor Subohi Khan


#JamiaMilliaUniversity "These are not students. These are cancerous diseases"
Absolutely nailed it



https://twitter.com/Satyanewshi/status/1206923437505011714
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 19 Dec 2019 05:22

twitter

#CAAProtest
jamia violence Look at the names and their affiliations.
Asif Khan - Ex CONgress MLA,
Ansu Khan, Mustafa, Haidar - Local Leaders
Chandan - AISA leader
Asif Tanha - SIO leader
Qasim Usmani - AAP Student leader

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ramana » 19 Dec 2019 05:28

Now understand why Sec 144 over many states has been invoked. Its precisely to neuter the NSUI law students outrage.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 19 Dec 2019 05:31

twitter


#ISupportCAA Well they are also students of AMU and they, just like you, are supporting CAB/CAA. Alas! Media wouldn't be comfortable showing this to us!
82% of the population silently watches how the 18% tarnishing the tranquility of the country



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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 19 Dec 2019 06:04

OT but need to see how bollywood dynastic sickulars from the minority are monopolizing the narrative.

and so very conveniently "agnostic", like any jehadi bollywood family, always against the Hindus and always pro jehadi.

The whole family seems to be "plagiarism" oriented as far as their literary "inspiration" goes.

farhan akhtar has been very forcefully supporting the anti CAB jahadis.

Zoya grew up in an agnostic environment and along with her brother Farhan and father Javed Akhtar, she does not believe in any religion.


twitter


The movie "Gully Boy", which was thrown out of Oscars because of plagiarism, was praised as the home-coming of a new genre!

Huffpost, Buzzfeed, SheThePeople, Quint : All were prostrating before Zoya Akhtar as the next "Big Thing"!

Who gets insulted ? India.

Has she apologised?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 19 Dec 2019 06:56

chetak wrote:watch video. This lady has absolutely nailed it

added later: The lady is AMU professor Subohi Khan


#JamiaMilliaUniversity "These are not students. These are cancerous diseases"
Absolutely nailed it



https://twitter.com/Satyanewshi/status/1206923437505011714

Dont miss

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Vips » 19 Dec 2019 07:36

Cain Marko wrote:Regarding Imam Bukharis sudden common sense, It probably has something to do with a little squeezing from MAD. They possibly have the goods on most of these guys and will use them at crucial moments. Wonderful.


No it is the Shia leadership in general which is overall more supportive of the CAB compared to other jihadis.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Kati » 19 Dec 2019 10:30

Vips wrote:
Cain Marko wrote:Regarding Imam Bukharis sudden common sense, It probably has something to do with a little squeezing from MAD. They possibly have the goods on most of these guys and will use them at crucial moments. Wonderful.


No it is the Shia leadership in general which is overall more supportive of the CAB compared to other jihadis.


Bukhari is Shia????????

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby prasan » 19 Dec 2019 10:55

Leaving out Muslims is not ‘glaringly discriminatory’: A Response to the open letter published in the web portal, The Leaflet to Harish Salve, Sr. Advocate

. Leaving out Muslims is not ‘glaringly discriminatory’ since Muslims are not a religious minority in the Islamic nations of Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan. Muslims are not persecuted in these Islamic nations who swear by the Quran in their Constitution.


. Ahmadiyas are a sect in Islam, not a religion. Further, this distinction is not to bypass humanitarian principles because in fact they believe in Islam and are practitioners of Islam and the Quran. In the broadest common denominator of world religions, the recognised world religions are broadly considered as Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Zoroastrianism, Sikhism, Judaism. Islam has multiple sects within it in various proportions across nations viz Sunni, Shia, Ahmadiyas, Baathis, Bohra, etc. They believe in different forms, expressions, and colours of Quran which does not mean they become external to the religion. Further, a width and scope of classification is determined at the altar of the sovereign, and on the basis of those principles it ought to have the right to determine contours of citizenship to foreigners, as long as the classifications meet the test of Article14. Broadening the principles are also the prerogative of the state, and there is no constitutional basis to say that the state ought to be forced to expand its principle of classification even if it meets the tests of 14. The state can obviously do that later in its own prerogative. In practice, the inner fault lines in Pakistan’s Islamic community can lead to a domino effect wherein an extension to Ahmadiyas shall mean an extension to Shias and Balochs, who constitute a considerable population of the country, the burden of which cannot be forced upon the Indian state


https://www.opindia.com/2019/12/harish- ... -response/


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