2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Dec 2019 18:51

watch video

History is replete, that in any area, were Muslims become a demographic majority, all minorities face not just oppression, but extinction. Every single time, every single place.

https://twitter.com/India_Policy/status ... 1682052096

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 27 Dec 2019 19:00

https://twitter.com/mayamadhava/status/ ... 5351939073

श्रीMurali @mayamadhava

CJI Shri Sharad Arvind Bobde paid visit to Sri Sharada Peetham at Sringeri, who was received by CAO Sri V R Gourishankar. He had darshan of Sri Sharada Devi & offered Guruvandana to Ubhaya Jagadgurus Sri Bharathi Theertha Swamiji & his junior Sri Vidushekhara Bharathi Swamiji.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Dec 2019 19:05

Looking at where indian convent education system has reached, even macaulay would be turning & cringing in his grave!

unwarranted tolerance leads to this

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This is the future of India!

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMpft4VUUAA ... :large/img]

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 27 Dec 2019 19:13

WATCH .. embedded video where PChidu gives a very good explanation on NPR, NRC, their linkage, sequencing and linkage of Aadhar.
https://twitter.com/renjitg/status/1210056883345580033

CA.Renjit Gopalakris

@renjitg @PiousJoseph5 @VMBJP @shilpamdas @sandeepvarier

Bhell ... almost everyone is already in the Aadhar db.
https://twitter.com/SwarajyaMag/status/ ... 3459439617

Swarajya @SwarajyaMag

Aadhaar Touches New Milestone As Over 125 Crore Residents Of India Now Have The 12-Digit Unique ID Number

As suggested by PChidu above, once NPR enumeration is completed, it can be seeded with biometric from Aadhar for 125 crore only about 5 crore will be left to vizit their nearest designated point to get the bio-metric done.

NPR enumeration is anyways a home service. Hence very little disruption for the economy during the whole process.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 27 Dec 2019 19:42

https://youtu.be/ydlw5x5s0Do
I don't know which thread to put this in.
This is crazy/unthinkable that our top bureaucrats and Generals hobnobbing with the Goras
Was this because they couldn't talk to political leaders as Nehru with GPI(I hope I don't get crucified for this) country was rudderless with no leader who could crack the whip and get everyone on board (What with Mahatma gone and Nehru gone mad!!)
Yet J Ramesh doesn't want to blame the great Nehru for the disasters that unfolded and has taken nearly 5-6 decades to fix.
WHY??? Why? this happened
is it because we never allowed for the second rung to move up in the political circles

mmasand · Post by **mmasand** » 27 Dec 2019 20:01

chetak wrote:Looking at where indian convent education system has reached, even macaulay would be turning & cringing in his grave!

unwarranted tolerance leads to this

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This is the future of India!

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I can't tell if she's an underage minor, best to take the pic off this platform.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 27 Dec 2019 20:05

mmasand wrote: I can't tell if she's an underage minor, best to take the pic off this platform.

In that case - don't quote with the pic!

ritesh · Post by **ritesh** » 27 Dec 2019 20:05

darshan wrote:Not sure if this place gets any money from the center.

Jadavpur University students to ‘rusticate’ Governor Jagdeep Dhankhar as Chancellor and ‘disown’ him as WB Governor
https://www.opindia.com/2019/12/jadavpu ... p-dhankar/

Yes its a central university.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 27 Dec 2019 20:45

chetak wrote:Looking at where indian convent education system has reached, even macaulay would be turning & cringing in his grave!

unwarranted tolerance leads to this

twitter

This is the future of India!

Name and shame is the only solution (if the girl is an adult). If its a kid, the parents or other adults should be taken to task. Minors have no place in potentially violent protests.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 27 Dec 2019 21:04

chetak wrote:watch video

History is replete, that in any area, were Muslims become a demographic majority, all minorities face not just oppression, but extinction. Every single time, every single place.

https://twitter.com/India_Policy/status ... 1682052096

It's just amazing how Hindus keep forgetting this simple eternal truth. There's no such thing is coexisting.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 27 Dec 2019 21:43

nandakumar wrote:
And this is not unique to India. The religious or ethnic composition of a locality does undergo changes over time. My friends from the US have told me how real estate price are prone to high fluctuations. One locality starts out as all-white middle class suburb. Then one black moves in after acquiring a property from an existing owner. Prices drop steeply. Fearing further erosion many others follow suit and sell out for whatever prices they can get.
https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 154_1.html

The religious or ethnic composition of a locality does undergo changes over time. My friends from the US have told me how real estate price are prone to high fluctuations. One locality starts out as all-white middle class suburb. Then one black moves in after acquiring a property from an existing owner. Prices drop steeply. [/quote]
In US, nowadays mosques use the variation that you have noted. A muslim group backed by mosque moves in and properties go on sale by boatload. More move in. Soon, a non muslim seller only gets low ball offers as no one else would be moving in. Local mosque based muslim network brokers deals between muslims at market rate. Almost a parallel system where majority of money stays within the mosque backed system. After reaching critical mass, even non muslim would be hard pressed to find a non muslim buyer or real estate agent. All in all very organized and oiled machine that systematically takes over the area block by block that has mosque as a center. And, US has lot more economic opportunities and better law and order.

However, that's only one of many effects when it happens like it happened in the area that I had used as an example. Dumping generations old properties and move on like in US just because govt failed to take an action. I know many who became dirt poor because all they had was ancestral property. Moving and paying rent elsewhere isn't an option when you don't qualify for reservation system and subsidies. It's not only monetary loss but everyday survival and staying alive. People staying in buffer zones after breach have to forget about living like a Hindu.

The population in GJ was getting restless after constant riots and the last straw was Kashmir pandit genocide. To stay in power, then GJ govt came up with the disturbed areas act to pacify Hindus. Essentially a toothless law with lot of loopholes to prevent taking over strategic acquisition of property to do Trojan's horse event when required. As more and more such events happened, the govt and Hindus tolerance levels had to increase about regular muslim atrocities like love jihad. People have to look sideways as there isn't enough police power to handle increased riot threats that came with each breach. The present BJP govt just this year fixed many issues with the act. May be they were looking for digital land records. Also just started applying to more areas in GJ. However, one thing that didn't happen was retroactive look at all such acquisitions and investigations into them as most of them are acquired through manipulations and coercions. The govt should go back and catalog each property acquired through the loopholes or where petitions were filed against such acquisition. Though very mild version of what happened in Kashmir when Hindus were kicked out the problem is the same. How do Hindus that became property less or were kicked out get their lives back? I understand that no legal recourse right now but as critical mass of 30% or higher is reached this is only going to become regular event in GJ like in many other states.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 27 Dec 2019 21:45

For Chetakji:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... mINgJ.html

The Norwegian woman who took part in a protest against the citizenship act in Kerala, has been asked to leave India. Janne Mette-Johannson arrived from Norway on a tourist visa two months ago.

The Foreign Regional Registration Office (FRRO), which regulates the registration, movement and stay of foreign nationals in India, said that its enquiry found Johannson “violated visa norms and so she was asked to go back”, according to news agency PTI.

What is it that makes people on visas think they can break rules without any reprecussions?

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 27 Dec 2019 21:52

In other news:

All is not well in BJP Maharashtra. Two of its prominent leaders are unhappy: Eknathrao Khadse and Pankaja Munde. The former was the leader of Opposition and is a prominent OBC leader. The latter is daughter of late Shri Gopinath Munde and holds sway in her fathers constituency. Both are OBC leaders and it is being posited that BJP is anti OBC etc etc, probably because Fadnavis is Brahmnin. Khadse and Fadnavis dont get along and the former claims the latter got many of his candidates defeated in the recent elections (probably true due to BJP infighting). Not sure what the latters grouse is. Both did not attend the BJP conference that was held to assess the assembly election defeat.

Expect at least one or both to join the NCP. Both are life long BJP members and not late entrants, the former has been a BJP man all his life.

Fadnavis seems to rub a lot of people the wrong way, I still havent understood why. Regardless, the central leadership must makes a correction as the 3 party circus has fissures that are ripe for taking advantage of.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Dec 2019 21:53

Tanaji wrote:For Chetakji:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... mINgJ.html

The Norwegian woman who took part in a protest against the citizenship act in Kerala, has been asked to leave India. Janne Mette-Johannson arrived from Norway on a tourist visa two months ago.

The Foreign Regional Registration Office (FRRO), which regulates the registration, movement and stay of foreign nationals in India, said that its enquiry found Johannson “violated visa norms and so she was asked to go back”, according to news agency PTI.
What is it that makes people on visas think they can break rules without any reprecussions?

their white skin saar.

for them, "our" Indian democracy is not as real/genuine as theirs.

the congi run urban naxals would never have done this to a whitey

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 27 Dec 2019 21:55

Vikas wrote: Right on money.

They are creating environment of feel-bad factor from SM to MSM to real world.
With victories across central India and breaking up of alliance in Maha, They see a Sliver of opening to topple BJP, hence all this effort to manufacture another round of leadership who can take on Amit Shah, Modi Ji still being many miles ahead.

Running a twitter campaign is actually pretty cheap. For less than USD 2,000, one can run a campaign with 50K tweets everyday.

Its not just twitter. If you look at places such as r/india, the amount of hatred that people spew on India is to be seen to believed. Hundreds of posts a day spewing utter falsehoods on CAA under different accounts, when it is demonstrably and provably false. If one refutes, they get banned or down voted to oblivion.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 27 Dec 2019 21:56

wow..this is the india i yearned for so long..finally some spine shown by this govt....

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Dec 2019 21:58

x posted from the space thread.

looks like hamid ansari has a lot of innocent blood on his hands but then what else would you expect from a hand puppet jehadi mutt like him.

Scientist Nambi Narayanan, hounded by Congress and Hamid Ansari’s close aide, to get compensation of Rs. 1.3 crores

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Dec 2019 22:10

mamata mumtaz bano should be the first one to be detained there.

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Detention CENTERS in INDIA
Assam (district jail Goalpara, Kokrajhar, Tezpur, Jorhat,)
Central Jail, Amritsar
Alwar Jail Rajasthan
Alipore jail Kolkata
All these detention centers were built by Congress Govts.
Now they are spreading lies on the same

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Dec 2019 22:16

paid and soldout presstitutes.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Dec 2019 22:36

for those liberals, naxals, congis and footpath intellectuals like ram guha who thought that there would be no fight back

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Drone view of crowd at August Kranti Maidan in support of CAA + NRC

Without much publicity. Spontaneous participation. Quite unbelievable

Need anything more be said

Media is not reporting. Can we spread it aggressively to make media redundant

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 27 Dec 2019 22:41

Hopefully new generation in GJ is not falling asleep and waking up. They are same in GJ and outside. Just flying under the radar till reaching critical mass.

Gujarat: FIR filed against Muslim community leader and others for urging Muslims to boycott doctors who support the CAA
https://www.opindia.com/2019/12/fir-fil ... a-doctors/

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Dec 2019 22:44

No worries, all "minorities" have all the required "papers"

they are extremely meticulous in collecting every last possible "benefits" from the very state that they all despise.

but all of the papers may not pass scrutiny as genuine

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 27 Dec 2019 22:47

It seems BJP has no idea who its CM face will be in Delhi. Kejriwal is no longer at the peak of his popularity. A good CM candidate would have won the state. Now it is a toss-up. The media has already started its anti-BJP campaign around CAA-NRC and the economy to appeal to the urban Delhi voters.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Dec 2019 22:59

Supratik wrote:It seems BJP has no idea who its CM face will be in Delhi. Kejriwal is no longer at the peak of his popularity. A good CM candidate would have won the state. Now it is a toss-up. The media has already started its anti-BJP campaign around CAA-NRC and the economy to appeal to the urban Delhi voters.

amanatullah khan has emerged as an alternative to khujliwal.

currently underground after his violent role in the jamia riots, it remains to be seen what gameplan the aapis will follow but one thing is sure, khujliwal will not tolerate competition.

The BJP will do well to assess the situation and work out a game plan.

khujliwal will fight very very dirty, just like his followers as well as BIF backers.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 27 Dec 2019 23:12

Without a good CM face they will loose Delhi. It is most likely going to be hung assembly and Kejriwal is going to come back as CM with Cong support.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 27 Dec 2019 23:23

the rumor about amanatullah khan as Fordiwal's replacement is just to attract a certain voting block that might go to congress.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 27 Dec 2019 23:51

Vikas wrote:Pop-quiz: name the last Hindu Bengali ruler of erstwhile Bengal ? (No I don't know honestly, not even sure if there was any).

My eternal surprise about Bharat losing so many battles in medieval &later ages and few 100 thousand ruling us is now a distant memory. Now I am surprised, How did we survive the onslaught knowing how some of the Hindus in Key positions would have behaved. It makes no violent political sense that we still are carrying forward the faith of our ancestors.

One Babar from far away land turns up at the gates of Delhi and easily sows seeds of an empire,
some violent Nadir Shah travels all the way from Iran and slaughters whole of Delhi and takes away so much gold that it causes hyper inflation in Tehran,
One Gazanavi decides to make a recurring visit across Sindhu to collect his monies while a Khilji can loot upto down south.

I am now sure that they had allies like Gandhi, Nehru, Gujaral Raul, Lallu, Pawar, Jagan , UT etc. helping them directly or indirectly through the history.
Surprisingly we had no from Ganga-Yamuna land or Krishna-Godavari basin ever knocking up at the gates of Delhi-Agra and taking over (except for a aberration called Suri but he too was a Islamist) even during weak or almost fragmented center
till Peshwai forces showed up for a shot duration.

My respect for Indic Leaders who withstood Islamic or British onslaught and protected Dharma has gone up many folds.

Sir, you are repeating the Marxist historian nonsense of "Indians deserved to lose because they were Hindu/weak/disloyal/backward (take your pick).
The tl;dr answer is horses, nothing more nothing less.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 27 Dec 2019 23:58

Rahul M wrote: The tl;dr answer is horses, nothing more nothing less.

+1. You don't survive by falling behind and thinking that your enemies don't mean any harm to you. Pagans were too busy thinking about non violence, sharing knowledge, and keeping borders open when non pagans were taking off including Buddhism. The same holds true today as being discussed in all military threads.

Congress Women Wing Shares India’s Map Without Jammu And Kashmir In A Bid To Attack Yogi Adityanath
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/congress- ... adityanath

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 28 Dec 2019 00:17

Was just looking at export to GDP ratio of various countries. Germany and Korea are about 45%. China and India about 20%. So enormous scope for catching up with the front runners.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 28 Dec 2019 00:26

Tanaji wrote:For Chetakji:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... mINgJ.html

The Norwegian woman who took part in a protest against the citizenship act in Kerala, has been asked to leave India. Janne Mette-Johannson arrived from Norway on a tourist visa two months ago.

The Foreign Regional Registration Office (FRRO), which regulates the registration, movement and stay of foreign nationals in India, said that its enquiry found Johannson “violated visa norms and so she was asked to go back”, according to news agency PTI.
What is it that makes people on visas think they can break rules without any reprecussions?

India is the country with a big friendly smile on its face and a large "kick me" sign on its back. So it is perfectly understandable.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 28 Dec 2019 00:29

sudarshan wrote:
mmasand wrote: I can't tell if she's an underage minor, best to take the pic off this platform.
In that case - don't quote with the pic!

Some day this child with the sweet smile will have her own children and grandchildren. Hard to imagine how that will turn out.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Dec 2019 00:44

KLNM & Co, my take on the reason why these anti-CAA protesting goras are kicked out is this. I am pretty sure ISI and its 5th columns will orchestrate some kind of soosai or sniper attack to take them out, and immediately with their Pappu spokesmen create confusion that this was by "RSS/BJP goons" or police. I think Indian govt thwarted this very real possibility.

Of course when a few lilly whites get killed, the headlines in western newspapers will be "India's Hindu nationalist govt kills western protesters alongside India's poor and oppressed Muslims". And then you will have brain-dead UndY bimbos like Nidhi Razdan and Modi-hating clowns like Ambassador KC Sing, and spoilt brats like Rupa Subramanya will start crying eye-eye-yo, India's image has taken a beating, whites say India is no longer a democracy, and Rupa Subramanya will further add, we cannot wish away criticism because India is not China. So we have to take any insults and assault on our sovereignty from the 'international community'.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Dec 2019 00:57

arshyam wrote:
CRamS wrote:Guys, fellow BRites in India, please help me with my above query on the scale of the so called 'peaceful protests' in India. I need this as ammunition against many pseudo secular ignoramuses whom I am meeting at various holiday events.
Over the past two weeks, I have been on the road in the southern triangle of BLR-HYD-MAA and travelled extensively within each city. Must have covered at least 2000km in total. All I saw was that life was going on as normal, good/normal levels of traffic on the highways, same old queues at toll plazas, etc. Absolutely zero sign of any nonsense. Only heard about a brotest at Corporation/Town Hall circle in BLR, maybe one or two campuses in Chennai/HYD. The average guy either doesn't know much about it and going about his life, or is generally approving in terms of security. Only media studios and ITVity offices are working themselves into a frenzy, no one else gives a sh1t.

Ask your friends to stop reading NDTV and look at local news in the so-called "vernaculars". They'll know exactly what's happening here (or not happening). Also, since you are our resident NDTV patron, this request applies to you to, saar! .

Lastly, ask them to count the number of cities from which "incidents" have been reported - that would put things in perspective. India has, what, 6,50,000 villages and 100 0.5million+ cities?

Thx a lot Arshyam for the update. What is amazing though is that in an ideological battle like this, how diametrically opposite the same event is viewed by the anti-CAA protagonists. From their propaganda, protests are massive. Youngsters are challenging Indian govt. Its not just a Muslim protest. Its spontaneous, organic yada yada.

But by far the biggest fakery and theater in all these protests by hardcore p!ssfuls like Owaisi & Co is singing peans to the Indian constitution, flying the tri-color, and acting patriotic. Even a dumb ass like Farhan Akhtar cannot put up such theater. These bogus protests are well thought out and well orchestrated.

But one thing is clear. These protests have very little to do with CAA, NRC, and NPR, and more to do with Muslim alienation. Now IMO, this alienation is not justified, but thats what is fueling the protests. I am pretty sure, ModiJi, the statesman that he is, will surely talk to the Muslim leaders and assuage their angst and feelings. This kind of alienation cannot be allowed to fester. Even of current protests fade away, they will erupt once again in response to another trigger.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 28 Dec 2019 01:05

Supratik wrote:Without a good CM face they will loose Delhi. It is most likely going to be hung assembly and Kejriwal is going to come back as CM with Cong support.

Meenakshi Lekhi can be very good candidate. Don't know why BJP is not putting their best foot forward.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 28 Dec 2019 02:20

Without much publicity. Spontaneous participation. Quite unbelievable

One of the online papers had this photo but the caption just said "CAA protest at...". No indication at all that this was in support of the law.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 28 Dec 2019 03:08

chetak wrote:xtians are not happy with the CAA/CAB.
john dayal with friends
Xmas sermons call on people to oppose CAA

Continuing on this, aren't some of these Reverends foreign citizens? Do their vijas permit political propaganda?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 28 Dec 2019 03:10

The yindian guvrmand even took out a full-page ad in the DESABHIMANI (rag of the CPI-M) in malloostan. Probably the Baboon in charge of calling in ads to newspapers is Marxist and wanted to make sure the cash went to the Deserving Poor.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 28 Dec 2019 04:08

pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/RaghuAiyar/status/1 ... 0315668481
Raghu Aiyar @RaghuAiyar

"Bulk Of NDA Allies Are Unhappy": Akali Dal Leader's Warning To BJP. these so-called “allies” backstab, indulge in corruption, and expect people to support them! No change? Worse than opposition/media. Country is sadly the loser ⁦@IndianInterest

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/bulk-of ... jp-2153981

And they will be even unhappier after they are out of the NDA and have their vote share eaten by BJP.

The best course of action for most of these guys would be to merge with BJP, but of course they will not do that since they are nothing but family-run outfits.

pankajs wrote:One reason why BJP has decided yo go alone. Allies want to ride of BJP's coattails and then blackmail to get more than their fair share in power and the opportunity to loot the treasury.

Looks like another break is on the cards.

Most people - even ahead-of-the-curve BRFwallahs - do not look at empirical evidence closely enough, and get misled by media reports/analysis.

There was a time when it was rare for regional/state parties to need an alliance with each other or with Congis to defeat the BJP.

Around 2013-2014, it started becoming necessary for regional parties to pair up with each other or with Congis to defeat Modi and Shah.

After 2015, things became even worse for these fellows...a two-party alliance was not enough any more, one needed multi-party "thugbandhans" in state after state to have any chance of defeating the BJP...sometimes it worked, sometimes not.

The empirical evidence leads to a logical deduction...i.e., things are moving to a situation in which the BJP voteshare continues to increase and ultimately will overwhelm any opposition alliances.

A corollary of this line of thinking is that the BJP itself would not require/want many allies in the future, except maybe in the south and northeast.

My forecast is that traditional allies will continue to leave and slowly be eaten away, and new alliances (NEDA in the northeast, AIADMK, maybe TRS, maybe YSRC) will be strengthened.

KL will remain a conundrum. My hope is that the state is bifurcated into Travancore-Cochin state and the UT of Malabar (with no legislature).

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 28 Dec 2019 04:29

remember, where BJP fights and wins, it is at 50% vote share (nearly 250 seats, if you have 45% as votes hare, that number is 300 seats). It is at 38% India wide vote share. It should aim for 60% vote share in these states - UP, Raj, MP, HP, UK, Guj in next few years to just decrease the risk of BIF coming to power. Rest of the 50% states, maintain the vote share as it goes through the churning.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Dec 2019 07:55

The First emperor Chin had his own solutions to the invaders on horses.
1) A long spear with a hook/axe to pull the horseman off the mount. It looks like a halberd developed by Swiss pikemen. He also added a third rivet to the spearhead to ensure it does not break off at contact. These spearheads could be made in village blacksmiths and thus were available in quantity.

2) He got a crossbow attachment to the traditional long bow. With this a minimal trained bowman could shoot six to ten arrows a minute into advancing horsemen. The gadget was a gun stock which took a normal bow. Again these could be made by village carpenters and available in plenty.