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Karan M wrote:I have said this before, and I say this again.The true fight of Indian nationalists is not against the Indian Muslim community, but those who mislead them and cause radicalization, and that's the Indian Left.

They are venomous and have brainwashed a huge swathe of the Hindu and Muslim population.

They need to be completely and totally politically, culturally decimated and thrown out of the public opinion shaping space they have coveted and misused for far too long.
Karan, radicalization of people of different faiths happened long before karl marx. While I agree radicalization has to come down, but it must be from within.
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Vikas wrote:
Karan M wrote:I have said this before, and I say this again.The true fight of Indian nationalists is not against the Indian Muslim community, but those who mislead them and cause radicalization, and that's the Indian Left.

They are venomous and have brainwashed a huge swathe of the Hindu and Muslim population.

They need to be completely and totally politically, culturally decimated and thrown out of the public opinion shaping space they have coveted and misused for far too long.
How long would the Indian left last in this age of SM ?
A fake alien ideology has taken over the political and cultural space and still is hanging onto it by a thread hoping for 'Ache Din' to return. What we need is a purge in real sense of these half baked traitors.
Commies are on their last legs and are running on fumes due to their stronghold over all the institutions that frame narrative.
If we can get rid of our UPSC's , Universities and History depts. off Commie influence even by 50%, Commies will be dead and buried.
+1. Also, don't know who thought it's a good idea to include "humanities" courses at IIT of all places.
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I think we are missing some features of this round of protests(Sunday) and what happened immediately after them. So what is new from Sunday onward:

1. Agitations better organised as far as publicity is concerned.
2. Most of the media including entities like TimesNow started to show this as student protest.
3. Rapid filing of PIL etc by usual suspects on Monday.
4. Rapid mobilizations of people on Sunday evening and cameras and photos or Gandhi and Ambedkar ( since when peaceful liked Gandhi?)
5. Petrol bombs and others. People covering their faces.
6. Sudden involvements of Humanity scum of IIMs IITs and now law colleges and all being immediately reported in so called MSM.
7. Assam which is the most effected by CAA has started returning to normal. But no one is reporting it. Shows clear management of media.

Soros and Globalist funded activities are now being carried out.
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Karan M wrote:I have said this before, and I say this again.The true fight of Indian nationalists is not against the Indian Muslim community, but those who mislead them and cause radicalization, and that's the Indian Left.

They are venomous and have brainwashed a huge swathe of the Hindu and Muslim population.

They need to be completely and totally politically, culturally decimated and thrown out of the public opinion shaping space they have coveted and misused for far too long.
While this sounds like a conspiracy theory, I agree 10000. These creeps are fomenting serious divides and violence between communities by playing the victim vs exploiters card with extremely sensitive issues. Encouraging muslims to feel victimized and pushing an extremely anti Hindu agenda is playing with fire. This could get worse by orders of magnitude if these buggers are not held responsible and soundly punished.

Cant believe what supposed erstwhile stalwarts like Thackeray are saying, let alone didi.
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Oye .. eggjacktly what the strategy should be ... keep hammering and then once you are pushed out, as you inevitably will be, go to the people .. Become the party of the Marathi manoos Ashmita. Hit Sena where it hurts them the most.

Also, a quick way to draw fire from Raful is to compare Savarkar with Nehru and declare Savarkar a greater patriot and see the CON fire back to the discomfort of Sena.

https://twitter.com/Dev_Fadnavis/status ... 5573876736
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मी पण सावरकर !
We too Savarkar !

सावरकरजी के सम्मान में भाजपा मैदान में ...
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Yagnasri Ji, Wait till the end of this week and Govt forces will clamp down with its full might irrespective of the state where these agitators are operating.
Agitators are itching for a fight and it will come to them. Polis in India has handled many rioters like them in the past and there is no new strategy.

Executive and L&O don't like ceding space to external forces beyond a point and they have already reached the tipping point. I expect Cops and other forces to reclaim the public space quickly and all these dharna/Jhanda/Charcha will goto SM space and some of the Islamist Universities. Strong leaders like Mamta or Yogi or UT or KCR do not like to be seen cowering in front of rioters irrespective of the cause. Those who do lose the narrative and political credibility sooner than morning fog on a hot summer day.
My hunch is that all this agitation is to make or find at least one new Djinnah and have local Umma follow him.

PS: Like so many other events, Even this would pass but will leave one more divisive line in the social fabric of Bharat.
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A school bus has been pelted with stones. Now they are really provoking the state.
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https://twitter.com/Paragbhandari1/stat ... 5001210880
Parag bhandari @Paragbhandari1

Some of you may not like this but this is the reality. You see this as Students vs government. BJP and Bhakts see this as opportunity. They see this as Hindus vs Muslims. The longer all this continues,more beneficiary it is for them.
Sickulars giving gyan to peacefuls but alas ..
Zafar @im_zaf

You do not have courage to say that your brother and sisters are blood thirsty and their thirst is quenched by incident like these. And thus the benefit...
You might not like BJP or Bhakts but you definitely do not like Muslims. And you pick them based on your convenience.
Very good .. more plezz

https://twitter.com/kapsology/status/12 ... 1387332610
Kapil @kapsology

If this protest against #CAB is only lead by Muslims, then it is like playing in the hand of BJP on Modi-Shah pitch. They will take no time in turning it into Hindu-Muslim issue.

People from each religion, caste, gender and political space should join hands. #HindusAgainstCAB
One more Blue "tick" sickular .. please join protest ..
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Vikas wrote:Yagnasri Ji, Wait till the end of this week and Govt forces will clamp down with its full might irrespective of the state where these agitators are operating.
Agitators are itching for a fight and it will come to them. Polis in India has handled many rioters like them in the past and there is no new strategy.

Executive and L&O don't like ceding space to external forces beyond a point and they have already reached the tipping point. I expect Cops and other forces to reclaim the public space quickly and all these dharna/Jhanda/Charcha will goto SM space and some of the Islamist Universities. Strong leaders like Mamta or Yogi or UT or KCR do not like to be seen cowering in front of rioters irrespective of the cause. Those who do lose the narrative and political credibility sooner than morning fog on a hot summer day.
My hunch is that all this agitation is to make or find at least one new Djinnah and have local Umma follow him.

PS: Like so many other events, Even this would pass but will leave one more divisive line in the social fabric of Bharat.
I guess the peak will be afternoon of 20th Dec 2019 (Check the date). After that it will draw down. Once Christmas and New Year sets in, a lot of the junta, will start going back into the festive mode.
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Karthik S wrote:
Karan M wrote:I have said this before, and I say this again.The true fight of Indian nationalists is not against the Indian Muslim community, but those who mislead them and cause radicalization, and that's the Indian Left.

They are venomous and have brainwashed a huge swathe of the Hindu and Muslim population.

They need to be completely and totally politically, culturally decimated and thrown out of the public opinion shaping space they have coveted and misused for far too long.
Karan, radicalization of people of different faiths happened long before karl marx. While I agree radicalization has to come down, but it must be from within.
And an element of deradicalization can be too or control established for harmony. What has prevented it from happening is the historical negationism and Hinduphobia that is part and parcel of the Left's approach to Hindu's in this country.
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Peaceful protestors mobbing lady reporter link
Is what the lady claims, also says the students are somewhat more like men and such. Unfortunately she wasn't wearing burka maybe is why.
Once Christmas and New Year sets in, a lot of the junta, will start going back into the festive mode.
Hindus will surely. NDA will also celebrate ABVP's birthday.
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I am not feeling bad. This is now going in a regular PC BS NGO rage playbook manner. I am sure that the GoI is now well aware of the actors behind and in front of this. Even all of us know the general details of who is doing this. They are not new to this and did these things before.

Just now it is i read that the settlement act which allows pakis come to India and to settle in J&K UT is scrapped by GoI. So BJP is not putting any brakes on the agenda. UCC will be next. That will be a real challenge for L&O people. But by agitating now the key old players and new rage actors are exposing themselves to public. Come UCC they can be better handled.
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And Im the DIm steps in. Will any leftists in India take this up

https://in.reuters.com/article/pakistan ... NKBN1YL111
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https://twitter.com/Ram_Guha/status/1206588522724917248
Ramachandra Guha @Ram_Guha

A vow Gandhi asked his compatriots to take in 1919: "With God as witness we Hindus & Muslims declare that we shall behave towards one another as children of the same parents, that we shall have no differences, that the sorrows of each will be the sorrows of the other ..." (1/2)
https://twitter.com/Ananth_Krishna_/sta ... ote]Ananth Krishna Subhalaksmy Chittayal @Ananth_Krishna_

And two years later, Gandhi justified the Moplah Riots in Malabar, and Ambedkar called him out on it.[/quote]
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https://www.ndtv.com/opinion/opinion-ag ... hi-2149823
Again, A Huge Missed Opportunity For Rahul Gandhi
As campus after campus joins the protests over the deeply flawed Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA), the comments from the Modi government have been limp. Amit Shah today appealed to students to study the act and said they are being misled. Worse is the response from India's main opposition party - the Congress.
:rotfl:
PGV's two-hour sit-in seemed pretty badly organised as it drew an audience smaller than the average flash mob that any product launch attracts. The party Congress has virtually reduced itself and its opposition to a social media handle. Before he left, Rahul Gandhi tweeted criticism of the CAA. If interim Congress president Sonia Gandhi had a Twitter handle, perhaps she would also have typed her protest.
Ha ha ..
The Congress is currently a party top heavy with Gandhis, yet lacking in effective leadership. Supporting students who are demonstrating against and fighting baton-charging police would normally be a political non-brainer. The Gandhi family would not even have had to stir themselves too much - the agitating students were at Jamia Millia Islamia which is barely five kilometres away from their Lutyens' Delhi residence.

Yet, they did not show up. And with this inexplicable reluctance, the Modi government and union Home Minister Amit Shah, to whom the Delhi police reports, did not have to face any legitimate questions.
Bibi .. you don't seem to have learned anything yet where as the Fake Gandhi's have at least learned some. Showing up at JNU, in support of the tukde-tukde gang only harmed the tattered Gandhi brand further and they know that. Not that their support would have mattered just as it did not last time.
The sophomoric Savarkar rhetoric from Gandhi immediately put the alliance government in Maharashtra led by Shiv Sena's Uddhav Thackeray in the danger zone.

A delighted BJP was extremely happy to make it all about Savarkar and immediately taunted Thackeray to pull the plug on the unlikely alliance government between his party, Sharad Pawar and the Congress.

Gandhi was making an involved reference to V D Savarkar's written apology to the British government to be released from jail in the Andamans. Savarkar, considered the intellectual father of Hindutva, is a touchy subject for the Sena which swears by his ideology. Gandhi's ill-judged comparison led to serial red faces in Mumbai and a public warning from the Sena asking the congress to respect Savarkar the way the Sena respects Jawaharlal Nehru and Mahatma Gandhi.

Devendra Fadnavis, leader of the opposition in Maharashtra, wants the assembly to pass a censure motion against Gandhi. And, you thought that Gandhi was supposed to be attacking the government on its governance track record. Senior government sources tell me that a posthumous Bharat Ratna for Savarkar is now a near certainty with the Modi government hoping to use it to widen the gaps in the Thackeray Sarkaar.
She has made things up at times but ..
1. Modi will keep bowling googlies to keep opposition on the back-foot and not allow them to shift to economic issues.
2. Raful gave BJP a free hit on Savarkar.
3. BJP should keep the rhetoric on Savarkar as long as it can.
4. BJP could up the ante by declaring that Savarkar was a greater patriot than Nehru and taunt CON.
5. AND don't go anywhere near Gandhi and Ambedkar even in the form of a comparison. Those two are at a different level for different reasons.
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Another way to bridge the gap but will mean virtual rollback of RTE. Unless all the parties get together someone will politicize it. Lets see.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 731228.cms
VHP wants special minority provisions extended to majority
New Delhi: The Vishva Hindu Parishad (VHP) has started meeting lawmakers with a twopage document as part of a campaign, 'sansad sampark' (connecting with Parliament), urging them to support its demand to expand Articles 29 and 30 of the Constitution, which allow minority communities to establish and administer educational institutions of their choice, to Hindus, too.

Senior VHP officials told media persons on Sunday that a team of 250 VHP members had met 400 lawmakers from different political parties in the past two weeks for this purpose. “Because of Article 30, minority communities in most parts of the country enjoy unparalleled autonomy over running their institutions and face no governmental interference. We want the same rights to be given to others too,” VHP general secretary Milind Parande told ET. “We feel this is the reason why the Lingayat community, the Arya Samajis and even Ramakrishna Mission have been demanding similar provisions because Hindu organisations are victims of constant state interference.”
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Vikas wrote:BIF & EJ forces are facing an enemy that they have not faced since the decline of Maratha power.
Later they had apologists like Gandhi and half Islamists like Nehru to deal with and now they have full time Psudo-Hindu Islamists all over the country with Rafool leading the charge.
The veto power that Muslims have had is/was so seductive.
Even Maratha power at its zenith did not kick out Mughal King of Delhi which Brits did in a jiffy and Bloody Moody simply takes these middlemen of desert cult out of the equation.

I don't think MAD is allowing the situation to play out and run out of steam. Left to itself, Jehadis and Lovers can keep the wound open and toxic for many moons. They have personally seen how riots would last for months together in Gujarat when Congoon was in power.
Is CAB a smoke screen for something else ?
Is something as disruptive as Demonetization hiding in the corner which BIF are aware of and are fighting tooth and nail in the garb of CAB otherwise this kind of violent protest does not make much sense.
the marathas purposely retained a weak, naam ke vaste mughal king in dilli to reduce and minimize opposition to themselves.
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The argument for giving the majority the same benefit as minority - look at population, while minority have increased their share of population massively, majority has shrunk. They too need protection. As simple as that.



pankajs wrote:Another way to bridge the gap but will mean virtual rollback of RTE. Unless all the parties get together someone will politicize it. Lets see.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 731228.cms
VHP wants special minority provisions extended to majority
New Delhi: The Vishva Hindu Parishad (VHP) has started meeting lawmakers with a twopage document as part of a campaign, 'sansad sampark' (connecting with Parliament), urging them to support its demand to expand Articles 29 and 30 of the Constitution, which allow minority communities to establish and administer educational institutions of their choice, to Hindus, too.

Senior VHP officials told media persons on Sunday that a team of 250 VHP members had met 400 lawmakers from different political parties in the past two weeks for this purpose. “Because of Article 30, minority communities in most parts of the country enjoy unparalleled autonomy over running their institutions and face no governmental interference. We want the same rights to be given to others too,” VHP general secretary Milind Parande told ET. “We feel this is the reason why the Lingayat community, the Arya Samajis and even Ramakrishna Mission have been demanding similar provisions because Hindu organisations are victims of constant state interference.”
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fanne wrote:The argument for giving the majority the same benefit as minority - look at population, while minority have increased their share of population massively, majority has shrunk. They too need protection. As simple as that.



pankajs wrote:Another way to bridge the gap but will mean virtual rollback of RTE. Unless all the parties get together someone will politicize it. Lets see.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 731228.cms
VHP wants special minority provisions extended to majority
Saar
Before the Educational institutions best shot with present 'Trioka' to remove dharmic temples out of government control.
We need to get SuSwamy to pursue this with renewed vigour and make sure it reaches the logical end.
Given the atmospherics the Amm Aadmi will be more than willing to support except the usual suspects i.e., liberandu/leftist/jihadists/Congis :D
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pankajs wrote:https://www.ndtv.com/opinion/opinion-ag ... hi-2149823
Again, A Huge Missed Opportunity For Rahul Gandhi
As campus after campus joins the protests over the deeply flawed Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA), the comments from the Modi government have been limp. Amit Shah today appealed to students to study the act and said they are being misled. Worse is the response from India's main opposition party - the Congress.
:rotfl:
PGV's two-hour sit-in seemed pretty badly organised as it drew an audience smaller than the average flash mob that any product launch attracts. The party Congress has virtually reduced itself and its opposition to a social media handle. Before he left, Rahul Gandhi tweeted criticism of the CAA. If interim Congress president Sonia Gandhi had a Twitter handle, perhaps she would also have typed her protest.
Ha ha ..
The Congress is currently a party top heavy with Gandhis, yet lacking in effective leadership. Supporting students who are demonstrating against and fighting baton-charging police would normally be a political non-brainer. The Gandhi family would not even have had to stir themselves too much - the agitating students were at Jamia Millia Islamia which is barely five kilometres away from their Lutyens' Delhi residence.

Yet, they did not show up. And with this inexplicable reluctance, the Modi government and union Home Minister Amit Shah, to whom the Delhi police reports, did not have to face any legitimate questions.
Bibi .. you don't seem to have learned anything yet where as the Fake Gandhi's have at least learned some. Showing up at JNU, in support of the tukde-tukde gang only harmed the tattered Gandhi brand further and they know that. Not that their support would have mattered just as it did not last time.
The sophomoric Savarkar rhetoric from Gandhi immediately put the alliance government in Maharashtra led by Shiv Sena's Uddhav Thackeray in the danger zone.

A delighted BJP was extremely happy to make it all about Savarkar and immediately taunted Thackeray to pull the plug on the unlikely alliance government between his party, Sharad Pawar and the Congress.

Gandhi was making an involved reference to V D Savarkar's written apology to the British government to be released from jail in the Andamans. Savarkar, considered the intellectual father of Hindutva, is a touchy subject for the Sena which swears by his ideology. Gandhi's ill-judged comparison led to serial red faces in Mumbai and a public warning from the Sena asking the congress to respect Savarkar the way the Sena respects Jawaharlal Nehru and Mahatma Gandhi.

Devendra Fadnavis, leader of the opposition in Maharashtra, wants the assembly to pass a censure motion against Gandhi. And, you thought that Gandhi was supposed to be attacking the government on its governance track record. Senior government sources tell me that a posthumous Bharat Ratna for Savarkar is now a near certainty with the Modi government hoping to use it to widen the gaps in the Thackeray Sarkaar.
She has made things up at times but ..
1. Modi will keep bowling googlies to keep opposition on the back-foot and not allow them to shift to economic issues.
2. Raful gave BJP a free hit on Savarkar.
3. BJP should keep the rhetoric on Savarkar as long as it can.
4. BJP could up the ante by declaring that Savarkar was a greater patriot than Nehru and taunt CON.
5. AND don't go anywhere near Gandhi and Ambedkar even in the form of a comparison. Those two are at a different level for different reasons.
Fadnavis should bring in a resolution in the assembly asking the center to confer a well deserved Bharat Ratna for Savarkar.

Let the people who oppose it come on public record as having opposed it and let the people of MAH see who these people are.

The center is anyway the final authority to confer the Bharat Ratna for Savarkarand they do not even need the state to sponsor or recommend it
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https://twitter.com/brakoo/status/1206754008360050688
Brakoo @brakoo

You could've just asked us on day 1 instead of trying to figure it out so slowly.
As a comment on ... Some beepul to the left of BJP do use their grey cells!
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https://twitter.com/Ram_Guha/status/1206764605231362049
Ramachandra Guha @Ram_Guha

"The BJP would like nothing better than to have Gandhi positioned as Modi's main rival. Which is why Rahul's return as Congress President, which is now a question of when and not if, is a delightful electoral prospect for the BJP":
There is an writeup linked to this tweet but I haven't read it.

https://twitter.com/sanjeevrsingh/statu ... 2852031488
Sanjeev Singh @sanjeevrsingh

Taking out a peaceful protest & allowing criminal elements to hijack it are 2 different things. End result: agenda diverted, cops get a reason to go the whole hog, students sustain injuries, debates lead to polarisation. Politicians have the last laugh. #JamiaProtests #CAA2019
https://twitter.com/KotaNeelima/status/ ... 4835104768
Kota Neelima @KotaNeelima

Difficult to now believe @BJP4India won LokSabha 2019 elections with a massive mandate just 6 months ago #CAAProtests
:rotfl:
https://twitter.com/rupasubramanya/stat ... quote]Rupa Subramanya @rupasubramanya

This is the delusion of Modi and BJP haters that they think Modi/BJP no longer enjoy broad popularity. Think about all the people who're not coming out on the streets who either support #CAA2019 or don't care either way. Don't forget people voted for their legislative agenda.[/quote]She has her own agenda but at least she gets what haters don't.
https://twitter.com/VSubrahmaniam/statu ... 4456420353
Vidya Subrahmaniam @VSubrahmaniam

Agree. North East was up in flames before 2019 LS election. Yet region voted BJP or allies.
The "Hindu Centre for Politics & Public Policy" person gets it too.
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https://twitter.com/AmarUjalaNews/statu ... 8308392961
Amar Ujala @AmarUjalaNews

क्या जामिया विश्वविद्यालय में की गई पुलिस की कार्रवाई से आप सहमत हैं?

Translated from Hindi by

Do you agree with the police action taken at Jamia University?
This is in hinti so obviously capture the nativists votes mainly.

Yes 86%
No 14%

Some are even asking for a 3rd option "Ye dil mange more"

Looks like if we had LS election now BJP would win a bigger landslide. And beepul ask how Modi won an election 6 months back when the JMI campus is on fire! :rotfl:
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twitter

The working of the cabal is now unmistakable - first mischief makers from minority community appear, then usual suspects like cong-communists-aap-tmc support the cause and then bollytards and eminent intellectuals outrage- all this while common junta watches in disgust!
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Folks a request. When you post an article include the writers name for completeness or to ignore!
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chetak wrote:twitter

The working of the cabal is now unmistakable - first mischief makers from minority community appear, then usual suspects like cong-communists-aap-tmc support the cause and then bollytards and eminent intellectuals outrage- all this while common junta watches in disgust!

Wrong sequence.

The Cong-Commie-AAP-TMC (CCAT) energize the miscreants for minority community then come the Bollytards and Award Wapasi turds.

CCAT has back room boys in Londinium who plan all these outrages.

Now that Boris mamu is the PM we shall see a crack down on most Queenie capers.
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Chetak don't go by optics but always ask the five Whys.

What, When, Where, Why (4Ws) and How are your friends.
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Centre Scraps Jammu And Kashmir Resettlement Law Which Allowed Return Of Residents Who Emigrated To Pakistan
Another tweak done while the attention and energy is focused elsewhere.
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Gurus, do you see all this Jihadi rioting by Pappu & Co having any effect on Jharkand polls? Or is probably the case, those who don't follow Lutyen narrative which is most of India, people in Jharkand could care less?
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As The Truth Behind Violent Protests Against CAA Unravels, India Won’t Be Fooled Anymore




As The Truth Behind Violent Protests Against CAA Unravels, India Won’t Be Fooled Anymore

by Venu Gopal Narayanan

Dec 17, 2019, 2:09 pm

A mobster acting at the behest of his political masters.
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A mobster acting at the behest of his political masters.

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It is now clear that the motive for the violence had nothing to do with the letter of the CAA.

It was, in fact, an opportunity for the political has-beens to desperately plead for relevance.

But with the massive mandate given to Narendra Modi and Co., India has unequivocally declared that she will not be fooled by divisive politics anymore.


The recent passing of the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA), allowing for the naturalization of persecuted non-Muslim minorities from neighboring Islamic Republics — Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan — was followed, inter alia, by grisly protests in Assam, West Bengal and New Delhi.

All three turned violent. But there the similarities end — both with regard to causative factors, and to responses. And in such differences lies the point of this piece.

In Guwahati, the agitators were Assamese-speaking Hindus in a BJP-ruled state, protesting against the naturalization of Bengali-speaking Hindus from Bangladesh.

Curfew was imposed, but when things got out of hand, the police had to resort to firing, and four individuals were killed. Since then, the situation appears to have calmed down, and, in the words of state Home Minister Himanta Biswa Sarma, the state is ‘limping back to normalcy’.

In West Bengal, wild mobs, in a fearsome madness reminiscent of ‘Direct Action Day’, 1946, set trains and government buildings alight.

Instead of sternly clamping down on such ghastly crimes and miscreants with a heavy hand, Chief Minister Banerjee’s most visible response was to take out a solidarity march.

Oddly, the only sane voice was the Mayor of Calcutta, who candidly told his co-religionists to cease and desist with their vandalism, lest their acts incense and galvanise Hindus into a counter-reaction. The appeal worked.

The strangest protest was in and around Jamia Millia University, New Delhi, where thugs armed with sticks and stones roamed the streets, vandalizing public transport buses.

Molotov cocktails, worthy of commendation by their Finnish inventors, were employed to torch vehicles.

On campus, students took the law into their own hands and threw stones at the police. Other large groups congregated for a round of choleric ‘Azadi’ chants — freedom from various evils.

The list included Prime Minister Modi, Home Minister Amit Shah, and also, by some accounts, Hindus.

It made no sense. Why would Indian Muslims in the national capital descend into violent protests, against a Citizenship Act that had nothing to do with Indian Muslims?

West Bengal one could understand, at a pinch, because illegal Muslim migrants from Bangladesh, who formed a significant vote base for certain political parties, now ran the risk of being collectively disenfranchised. But Delhi locals smashing public property? Nuts!

Indeed, nothing made sense until the Communists, the Congress, and a few other opposition parties held a joint press conference on Monday afternoon.

Together, they gravely, solemnly and forcefully condemned police entry into the Jamia campus.

The perils of such a cardinal sin were reiterated by speaker after speaker, to such a high degree of moral superiority, that every sane citizen would have stood up to demand the immediate disbanding of the Delhi Police force.

It was a command performance meriting a standing ovation and an encore. Unfortunately, amidst their elaborately self-righteous proclamations, they had not one word of condemnation for the vandalism and the arson.

Only Delhi Police was at fault, no one else; the rest were victims of a macabre, fascist plot.

That was when the penny dropped!

Now everything made sense. No wonder the rumour bazaars went into clearance-sale mode, flooding social media with frightful fibs of two dead students on campus. No wonder reports of protests at IIM Ahmedabad were hyped up as a major agitation, even if a picket line of twenty five (yes, twenty five), does not much a grand protest make.

And equally, no wonder the Supreme Court was livid. When approached with pleas for inquiries into alleged police highhandedness, our judges bluntly said that suo moto cognizance would be taken only — repeat, only — after the rioting ended.

If only these Opposition politicians had kept their mouths shut. Perhaps then, the naïve natives might have believed that these acts of vandalism were noble manifestations of genuine outrage, against some terrible, horrible injustice.

But with their pontifications, the cat was out of the bag.

So, now that we know, here are three questions:

When is vandalism not vandalism? Answer: when significant political gains stand to be made.

What unhinged mentality would cheer violent campus agitations, when the legislation in question has no connection whatsoever with the citizenship status of Indian Muslims? Answer: see answer to question 1 above.


Evidently, the 2019 general election results formed a far more fundamental paradigm point than most realised. With a renewed, and enhanced, mandate for the BJP, hopes that Modi might have been a one-off flash-in-the-pan have evaporated. An India which rejects the evils of partition, of the division of this ancient land on lines of faith, is here to stay.

Thekedar-raj, the era of the contractor, is over. Minority appeasement is no longer in vogue. And to force the point home, India has witnessed a flurry of legislative acts, which seek to comprehensively undo two things: an idea of India bequeathed to us by dead white men, and the erasure of those terminological inexactitudes which gave us partition instead of Independence.


It is now an existential moment of doubtful survival for such political parties. Ergo: the self-righteous condonation of vandalism, almost to the self-destructive point of it being one’s birthright; anything to hold on to the old ways, and those generous profits which accrued.

Consequently, readers, observers, commentators and analysts must unequivocally appreciate, in conclusion, that the full and final dismantling of a two-nation theory, which once agonizingly partitioned our land into a period of repeated communal carnage, is now firmly underway.

This process cannot be stopped, no matter how loudly certain political parties stridulate their protests, and no matter what sophist’s spin they seek to impart.

But they will try, again, and again, and again, even if the truth is what we know: that vandalism is no one’s birthright.

Care then, to hold in mind this and other truths, as we transit through a confusing age, unto a fresh and hopeful plane. Care then.
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ramana wrote:
chetak wrote:twitter


Wrong sequence.

The Cong-Commie-AAP-TMC (CCAT) energize the miscreants for minority community then come the Bollytards and Award Wapasi turds.

CCAT has back room boys in Londinium who plan all these outrages.

Now that Boris mamu is the PM we shall see a crack down on most Queenie capers.
+100

Now jokers from unkil have joined the chorus.

https://news.rediff.com/commentary/2019 ... 01f1d174df

I think that the lobby mechanism from left leaning Islamists with fake outrage have organized better. We have to protect our universities and students. Now that news channels are doing their work in asking the right questions- there should be 100 colleges all over the country taking candle light vigils to protect campuses from goondagiri and preventing jamia like nonsense.

The narrative has been

States were not consulted on CAA - debunked . Other CMs should openly support it more.

Allies and parties were not consulted - debunked. Put more pressure on akali, sena,jdu,bjd etc. Put them on the spot

Students are against CAA - getting debunked. Need pepper spray on students/body slam images from universities in unkil compared to how indian police is actually scared to go near ladies in videos and fake journos making them heroines.

CAA is against indian national minorities- getting debunked.

Find people with conscience who can stand up and say the truth about foriegn minority treatment

Academics against CAA - debunked . Need more

Hindus against CAA - Not debunked.Need to stop self flogging

Seculars against CAA - Not debunked. Need more understanding on the luxury of secularism in india that we have and other country comparison. Maybe start at Uighur camps , skin head gangs, white supremacists, nazis etc
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CRamS wrote:Gurus, do you see all this Jihadi rioting by Pappu & Co having any effect on Jharkand polls? Or is probably the case, those who don't follow Lutyen narrative which is most of India, people in Jharkand could care less?
On the contrary I expect BJP to sweep Jharkhand.
They may still go with partners to ensure domination.
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Yesterday @ayushmannk tweeted about freedom of expression, today he deleted this tweet. Do you know why?

Because he knows the consequences by the peaceful people who he's defending now. Also he knows that such tweets can affect the number of movies he gets.




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Bhell ... bhell ... This should set panic bell ringing in the Liberandu Lawyer gang. very disappointing.

https://twitter.com/utkarsh_aanand/stat ... 2668677120
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#SupremeCourt hearing in bunch of cases on #JamiaProtest and #AMU protest commences.

#CJI makes it clear that the apex court can't be called upon to first determine facts and then pass orders. "We aren't trial courts," says Justice Bobde.
"Each of these incidents have taken place in different states. There are different situations, different steps taken and different facts. We are not saying it is not serious but we are saying go to a court that can determine the facts first": #SupremeCourt in #JamiaProtest case
Sr adv Indira Jaising argues on coercive action against students.

#CJI retorts: "We aren't prejudging but what can police do when somebody breaks the law...Somebody throwing stones, burning buses...How can we stop them from registering FIRs?"

#JamiaProtests
#AMUprotest
Jaising claims a lawyer intern has lost an eye.. People lost arms and legs

SG Tushar Mehta appears for #DelhiPolice, strongly counters this saying the statement is highly irresponsible and not even one student has been arrested so far.

#JamiaProtests
#AMUprotest
#CJI: "Let us have an advantage of high court orders first. Each of our chief justice is capable of addressing all these issues."

#SupremeCourt is disinclined to entertain the petitions directly & wants high courts to do the fact-finding first.

#JamiaProtests
#AMUprotest
Sr adv Colin Gonsalves is now arguing. He tries to dispel the impression that students were rioters during the #JamiaProtest, #AMUprotest.

#CJI replies court didn't say who were rioters & who were not. The court also refuses to look at media reports.
This is how they distort the issue by planting farts via media instead of going by police investigation or a lower court finding. Amazin hia na! how they get to create their own narrative.
Sr adv Sanjay Hegde also appears in the #JamiaProtest, #AMUprotest petitions.

Hegde: What's the best thing to do in these circumstances?

#CJISABobde: That's for us to decide as judges.
Hegde cites Mandal Commission order by SC & asks for one-point agency to bring down temperature. He adds #SupremeCourt must obligate police to seek approval from university officials if they want to enter premises or interrogate them.

#JamiaProtests
#AMUprotest
Basically tie the bolice down.
#SupremeCourt order in #JamiaProtest, #AMUprotest case:

* Won't entertain petitions directly

* High courts may appoint proper fact-finding committees

* Committees may include retired judges

* HC's to pass all orders after hearing Centre, states {Not just by hearing overbearing activists in the garb of lawyers and on the basis of planted farticles but AFTER letting State/Center respond and some fact-finding.}

* All issues left for HC's
CJI is the man. Such a simple requirement would have saved SC from having to hear countless frivolous and agenda driven petition. Should be made part of the official protocol for matters that are lobbed at the court.

1. Very soon we are likely to witness #NotMyCourt rally.
2. CJI is likely to be targeted soon via a smear as happen to the last 2 CJIs who did not bent to a particular ideology.
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https://twitter.com/nalinisharma_/statu ... 5975511041
Nalini @nalinisharma_

An irked CJI on the Jamia violence says - “We are not saying protests are not happening. We are not saying what is happening is not serious. We are only saying that SC is not a fact-finding court or a court of first instance. Approach the High Courts!
https://twitter.com/nalinisharma_/statu ... 8793179136
Nalini @nalinisharma_

Indira Jaising says “the SC should order an inquiry under a retired Supreme Court judge. It is in the retired judges of the country that the people have the utmost faith. Supreme Court judges, not High Court judges.”

Courtroom laughs; Jaising immediately withdraws her comment.
US mangos will not understand legal maneuvers but note ..
https://twitter.com/jgopikrishnan70/sta ... 2436446208
J Gopikrishnan @jgopikrishnan70

Demand for judicial probe is clever method to stop Police from filing FIRs
Very tricksy these Activist lawyers ... One tried to present a paper clipping as evidence and other tried a dodge to help save rioting students from FIRs.
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Karan M wrote:The true fight of Indian nationalists is not against the Indian Muslim community, but those who mislead them and cause radicalization, and that's the Indian Left.
The fact that the commies of India (any variety of them, CPI,CPI(M),CPI(ML)) are in bed with the Islamists was known to many, but it is now getting exposed more and more. Refer to my post in Internal Security Watch. The case mentioned there is a classic example. Two Muslim youth outwardly said to be CPI(M) activists, but were in the police radar as conduits/OWG for CPI(ML) the Naxals, while their own core idelogy was that of an Islamist (as their social media messages showed). See the sheer ingenuity involved here.
Yagnasri wrote:1. Agitations better organised as far as publicity is concerned.
But it is also restricted to Muslim religion based universities and in places where Muslim population is comparatively higher. They have NOT managed to make this a pan-India movement. The more the Muslim identity based actions take place, the more would be polarisation of the Hindus to the other side. Read along with Modi's open challenge to Congress - "will they give citizen ship to Pakistanis and bring back Article 376?".
pankajs wrote:Very tricksy these Activist lawyers ... One tried to present a paper clipping as evidence and other tried a dodge to help save rioting students from FIRs.
I am still to figure out how - under which law - M/s Colin Gonsalves and Indira Jaisingh gets repeated chances (pretty much every day) to be heard patiently by the Supreme Court? This is like becoming a magistrates' court actually. The same duo had made daily appearances in the Sabari Mala case itself. Now that those petitions are in the dust bin, they have picked up on the CAA.
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ramana wrote: On the contrary I expect BJP to sweep Jharkhand.
They may still go with partners to ensure domination.
Thx RamanaGaru. Reason I was wondering is because this is ultimately going to be decided in the people's court. No amount of evidence, the obvious orchestration of violent protests, the sheer Jihadi element, none of that os going to matter. To those who hate ModiJi, BJP, and Hindus (including those dim wits protesting from as far away as Oxford, Harvard, Stanford etc), the narrative is fixed. This side show of Jamia protests is only used to suit that narrative, nothing will change their minds. Only electoral defeat can silence them.

This morning, while reading MinhazJi's twitter line, I recalled he said the same thing a while back on how libtrads use 'confirmation bias' to use any event that is used to 'confirm' their immutable narrative that BJP is fascist. Nothing else matters except of course electoral defeat.

@MinhazMerchant
Missing the point as usual. It’s obvious law enforcement must act judiciously. Larger point: who let the mob in? It started the violence. No civilised society can accept mob rule. Clear now?
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@sardesairajdeep
Nothing gives the police the licence to bash up students who had nothing to do with the protests or break up the college library. Tackle the hooligans, but sorry fracturing the arms and legs of students who were in library just not on.. more at 9 pm!
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@MinhazMerchant
Sir, you brilliantly observed "liberals" like
@sardesairajdeep
fix narrative first and fit events to suit that. This Jamia protests a case in point. An understandable excess by police in a riot situation is blown out of proportions to suggest 'fascist' ModiJi/BJP squash dissent
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One common theme being played out by libtards and peacefools is that police is wrong/evil and being projected as oppressors.

Pretty much along the lines of Kashmir. Whereas the cops are on the receiving end. Its shocking how stone throwing (Kashmir import) is happening in Delhi.
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Shravan, once again, its a fixed bogus narrative and they will just use any opportunity to claim 'fight against oppression'. No need to post here, but witness the revolutionary zeal with which that clown Kanhiya Kumar was demagoging 'azaadi' at some rally in Bihar. I mean this bloody punk gets free education at tax payer money, compared to many Indians, he is fairly well off, and yet he is fixated with this 'fight oppression' BS. I mean get a life ass hole, do something useful in life. I have got some suggestions: learn some yoga, do meditation, learn something so you can use those skills to really help people. Nobody is oppressing him or his ilk.
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