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he was saying rightly so that indo BD border is hard to guard. and i was wondering why people dont go to china as migrants whose border have no fence or a post every 3/4 km? china is much richer than india !! the issue is not abt fence/lack of guards but the fact that there is no deterrence to illegal migration as mullahs are useful as vote banks. ALLow BSF to shoot a few illegal migrants and we will see how many cross the border. I am sick and tired ....
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manjgu wrote:1) What can GOI do to those identified as illegal muslim migrants? push them back into BD? throw them into the river? take away their voting rights? wonder if this question has been raised during parliamentary debates? 2) the burden of sheltering immigrants has fallen on NE states. GOI should have a policy of settling immigrants across all states based on some formula. if UP has 10% of indias population , it should take in 10% of immigrants. 3) there is no future proofing against climate change. If there is climate change and Bdesh is going underwater, there is no way u can stop the flow. but this climate change issue is not important in the near to medium term IMHO. 4) yesterday i saw a vid where Gen Bikram singh ( retd) is saying we should be sensitive to Bdesh feelings on CAB issue as they are a muslim majority state which hugely disappointed me. Did Govt of Bdesh care two hoots about indian sentiments when they were screwing hindus of Bdesh. I dont know how such high officers can have such a defeatist mindset !!
I heard one BJP spokesperson say - give them non-immigrant work permits. They cannot become Indian citizens or vote; but no other disruption to their lives. Presumably they will be biometrically identified so no future hankypanky.
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Make crossing borders safe and legal with non-immigrant work permits. Keep track of everyone. Ensure only citizens vote.
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A_Gupta: that sounds good in theory but is long term civilizational suicide. A future UPA Govt will allow for a Work Permit --> Permanent Residency --> Citizenship path to millions of Bangladeshi Muslims.

India has enough labor force. Lets not try to compare ourselves to the U.S, which has a shortage of manual labor.

Even if all illegals cannot be evicted, a start has to be made. Evict 10% every year and block new illegals from coming in.
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A_Gupta wrote:Make crossing borders safe and legal with non-immigrant work permits. Keep track of everyone.
Much easier said than done. Work permits will do nothing to stop the influx of illegals. Even the USA finds it hard to keep track of Mexicans, who are rapidly becoming a majority in the southwestern states (CA, NV, AZ, NM, TX...). Eventually the southwest US may become an extension of Mexico unless drastic measures are taken.

The RoP illegals entering India will hunker down wherever they can, multiply faster than the citizen population, and eventually cause a demographic disaster...making the Indian northeast some sort of large Bangladesh.

No Way.

The only solution is to send them back into BDLand immediately, and seal the border. Maybe even shoot intruders at sight with tranquillizers or something.
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We should come up with a Block, Tag & Evict program to address illegal immigration

Block: border fencing, giving license to BSF to shoot smugglers, UAVs etc
Tag: identify illegals via NRC, biometrics, AI, announcing bounties to people to identify illegals etc
Evict: refugee camps (staging areas before they are sent to Bangladesh), buy-off Bangladeshi border guards to inform us of infiltration activity

We can announce aid packages to Bangladesh, weapon sales, infra loans etc to Bangladesh, subject to on-the-ground action in stopping infiltration & accepting deportees
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Prem Kumar wrote:A_Gupta: that sounds good in theory but is long term civilizational suicide. A future UPA Govt will allow for a Work Permit --> Permanent Residency --> Citizenship path to millions of Bangladeshi Muslims.

India has enough labor force. Lets not try to compare ourselves to the U.S, which has a shortage of manual labor.

Even if all illegals cannot be evicted, a start has to be made. Evict 10% every year and block new illegals from coming in.
Totally agree. Evict by land/air/sea, whatever is convenient.

When BDs can show up in swarms even in the A&N Islands, it is totally unrealistic to expect that you can control them on the mainland just by administrative methods.

We have been through this whole drama and discussion before. I fail to see why people still think this is some kind of bureaucratic problem.
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At this point, I trust Amit Shah. He has declared that he will deport the majority of RoP illegals by 2024.
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In the US, the general sense I get in towns and cities is that the police and other civil authorities seem to have basically given up on controlling or rounding up Mexicans. The only hope seems to be the border police. India needs to learn urgently from the USA experiences and stem the RoP illegal influx ASAP with full force.
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the Law minister said that the two houses of parliament are sovereign in lawmaking.

They even have the power to undo the judgment of the courts.

He says that he is astonished at the ignorance of "top" lawyers who are threatening to take the bill to court.

Looks like its game, set and match for Modi and Shah :mrgreen:

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Most important statement from Govt side in the context of impending challenge in courts to amendments in Citizenship law came from the Law minister yesterday. It shows Govt is prepared for a showdown with black robes, if forced

https://twitter.com/iMac_too/status/1204969500614881283
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US is THREE times size of India as also 1/3 times population. Just imagine each factor .. just for comparison .. and that US isn't yet about to be overrun with immigrants who find convenient neighborhoods (US+Canada).
2) the burden of sheltering immigrants has fallen on NE states
Very strange. There was a peculiar event a few (10+) years back called exodus or similar wherein people from NE went to railway stations in different cities and took trains to home state, if anyone remember clearly. Now this is double whammy.
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vishvak wrote:US is THREE times size of India as also 1/3 times population. Just imagine each factor .. just for comparison .. and that US isn't yet about to be overrun with immigrants who find convenient neighborhoods (US+Canada).
2) the burden of sheltering immigrants has fallen on NE states
Very strange. There was a peculiar event a few (10+) years back called exodus or similar wherein people from NE went to railway stations in different cities and took trains to home state, if anyone remember clearly. Now this is double whammy.
and its also well known as to who exactly was responsible for the terrifying exodus of these people from NE.

It was not less than any act of terrorism
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already sent the report to the mafia queen under Cc :lol:

runditv, what a sleazy bunch of @$$ lickers


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Amit Shah can promise all he wants, but no one can straighten the curly tail of the dog. Can’t even stop infiltration in J&K. Borders are inherently porous, and a criminal industry will grow alongside trying to make borders impenetrable.

Given the crises that are coming, it is better to be able to keep track of everyone instead of having undocumented entries, payoffs to corrupt officials and a whole ecosystem of corruption, people smuggling etc.

Say you are Bangladeshi, for a nominal fee and minimal effort, you give your biometric data, get a non-immigrant visa. You can return home any time because there is no illegal border crossing to contend with. So setting up permanent abode in India will be less necessary. You’re not going to pay a human smuggler or take any risk in an illegal border crossing.

The only likely trafficking will be for those deported after being convicted of a crime. But India will have their biometric data, plus easy assumption that since legality is easy, anyone without papers is illegal.

Don’t compare with America. In America employers want Mexicans to be undocumented so that they can pay them less than minimum wages and indulge in wage-theft. Best example of undocumented labor exploiter is Trump himself, he who is making the most noise about the American border. The Indian labor situation is rather different.

Documented and legal beats giving more incentives to criminal enterprises and corruption.
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Did we elect the MPs or the Judges.

Why should every bill passed by the legislature get the approval of the judiciary.

Who is judiciary accountable to.

ANI Verified account @ANI

Senior Advocate Kapil Sibal to represent Indian Union Muslim League (IUML) in Supreme Court. IUML in its petition pleaded the SC to declare #CitizenshipAmendmentBill2019 as illegal and void.
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the angst in NE states over CAB is quite understandable ... their culture, social values, demography is under threat as the migration is concentrated in their areas. Govt should defuse the situation by announcing a quota system for all states to remove presure from NE states.
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And e.g., tiny Denmark requires all immigrant children in preschool to attend some thirty or so hours of Danish language instruction per week. Now India is not “advanced” to provide such facilities perhaps, but e.g., some of Assamese concerns may be alleviated by similar requirements.
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twitter
Years later, people cannot believe Modi made a year like 2019 happen.

Balakot
Abhinandan return
303
370
Ram Mandir
Corporate tax cut
Citizenship Bill

Most leaders would give anything to achieve just one of these.
But Modi did ALL of these in just 2019.
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We can only 'make it difficult' for illegals to make a living here. A few notions:

1. Make it illegal to employ someone without Aadhaar-NCR, with reasonably steep fines, enough to offset the potentially lower wages.
2. Make it illegal to rent properties out without Aadhaar-NCR. Same way.
3. Need Aadhaar-NCR to get bail from court/police. Illegals get deported instead of bail or jail. If they were employed, the employer will be charged. If they were renting, the landlord gets charged.
4. Undo the damage done by the hon SC by striking down the Aadhaar-Phone link. Ensure that Aadhaar-NCR needed to get phone.
etc.. etc..
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Nidhi Razdan Verified account @Nidhi

Bill passed. Over to the Supreme Court

7:24 AM - 11 Dec 2019



The most deluded are those who think Supreme Court will intervene with CAB.

Indian Constitution allows any number of special privileges for religious minorities and any marginalized group.

CAB will sail through in Supreme Court even with a below average lawyer.
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manjgu wrote:the angst in NE states over CAB is quite understandable ... their culture, social values, demography is under threat as the migration is concentrated in their areas. Govt should defuse the situation by announcing a quota system for all states to remove presure from NE states.
And light fires all over India instead of one state?

1. In the era of Modi, after caste division have started to yield less and less the only available plank is hyper-localism as has been demonstrated all over India with the latest one being in Maharashtra where NCP/Sena have re-started the local vs outsider chorus. NCP goons have been tearing up Gujarati hoardings in Mumbai as the latest manifestation of that new plank.

2. Indian in general and Hindus specifically have NO strategic sense. In Assam specifically, IF only NRC illegals (Hindus + Muslims) are pushed back to Bangladesh guess who benefits? The Bangladeshi Muslim infiltrators who already have made it past the last NRC exercise! IIRC, Hemant B Sharma stated in his interaction during the Indian Today enclave that Assam is already staring at a situation where in 20-30 years, it is on path to permanent Muslim majority. Now, If the remaining Hindu Bengalis were to be re-located outside the state will this timeline get extended or compresses? Would they prefer a Bangladesh in Assam to a Bengal just as a debating point? Myophia is most apt term to describe the Assamese mool nivasis outlook but also Hindu outlook in general everywhere.

3. It is better to assure Assamese of their economic, political, cultural and language pre-eminance in the state under various mechanism still available to the state and the center.

4. Tripura was solved with discussion, some assurance and arraignment that is not out in the public. The same track should be worked in Assam.

5. Transfer of population could be done BUT without announcement or fanfare so as not to trigger the local sentiment in the recipient's backyard. Give people economic incentive to move to under populated or strategic areas.

Trust Modi/Shah to evolve a way out as they have done with issues that no one else wanted to touch with a barge pole. If it involves population transfer so be it but leave it to them. And most of all people need to have patience.
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The current parliament could also make non-immigrant work visa conversion to citizenship not possible and require a high parliamentary majority to change that.
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Dileep wrote:We can only 'make it difficult' for illegals to make a living here. A few notions:

1. Make it illegal to employ someone without Aadhaar-NCR, with reasonably steep fines, enough to offset the potentially lower wages.
2. Make it illegal to rent properties out without Aadhaar-NCR. Same way.
3. Need Aadhaar-NCR to get bail from court/police. Illegals get deported instead of bail or jail. If they were employed, the employer will be charged. If they were renting, the landlord gets charged.
4. Undo the damage done by the hon SC by striking down the Aadhaar-Phone link. Ensure that Aadhaar-NCR needed to get phone.
etc.. etc..
All economic activity and basic necessity stuff need to be linked to NRC database directly or indirectly including Birth/Death cirtificate, Subsidies, school enrollment, jobs, driving license, vehicle/property registration, hospitalization, Bank accounts, all kinds of documentation, etc, etc.

Make it impossible to earn a decent living in India or to get any subsidy without an entry in the NRC database and that should take care of economic migrants.

NRC will either become Aadhar replacement or will untimely be linked to it otherwise it does not make sense to have NRC. NRC is basically to implement what could not be done via Aadhar.
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harsh mander and his sickularism drama for his foreign funded "NGO"

@harsh_mander has received most of it from religiously categorized orgns. - christian & muslim.

Out & out communal rogue masquerading as a secular champion.

What difference is there between such treasonous scumbags living in our country & the jihadi groups originating out of Pak?

He was instrumental in drafting the communal violence bill. Such unconcealed hatred towards one community

and see where the money for his "NGO" comes from


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A_Gupta wrote:The current parliament could also make non-immigrant work visa conversion to citizenship not possible and require a high parliamentary majority to change that.
doesn't germany have such a visa
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https://twitter.com/himantabiswa/status ... 2909329408
Himanta Biswa Sarma @himantabiswa

Rahul Ji are you aware that during @INCIndia regime indigenous communities of Assam have become minority. Infilitrated Bangladeshi Muslims in Assam constitutes 36% of population.They speak no Assamese language & influence 45 assembly seats. Is that not ALSO ethnic cleansing?
Subtract the NRC identified illegals that have more Bangladeshi Hindus than Muslims and the figure will stand at 36% or creep up slightly.

Now, without CAB, GOI cannot and will not have a nationwide NRC and that means in a decade or 2, the indigenous Assamese will be on sure path to a Bangladesh like situation! Forget dominating the political and cultural landscape of Assam, they too will have to flee like the Bangladeshi Hindus in 4-5 decades hence.

With CAB and assured protection of indigenous Assamese culture, political power, etc and accepting the Bangladeshi Hindus to a large extent, a re-NRC can be done in Assam. It will restore it demographic balance with indigenous Assamese in the drivers seat but having to share some space with Bangladeshi Hindus already settled and the assurance that future migrants to Assam will be absorbed in the cities of India, Delhi being the prime one. Delhi is anyway a city of migrants more than any other city of India.

Which scenario would a reasonable and logical Assamese prefer? To maintain primacy in Assam while having to share some space with the Bangladeshi Hindus or put Assam on the path to a complete Bangladeshi takeover in 5-6 decades or less?
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What's cooking in Maharashtra hain? --> All is naat bhell in Maha-Ghadi-Detergent gobermint?
BJP, Shiv Sena should come together again: Chandrakant Patil
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Manohar Joshi from Shiv Sena's old guard also fuels speculation
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^^^ Perhaps Shiv Sena realising that BJP is fixing one major issue (for Hindus) after another and taking full credit of the same, while Shiv Sena is now being forced to be a pet of the "seculars"? At this rate in next 2-3 years all issues using which Shiv Sena+BJP combine would have got resolved and then even if Shiv Sena wants to come back no one would sympathise with it?
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^Maybe they will keep making the noise for next 2.5 years and then pull the plug on the alliance and go back with SS.
That way they would get their share of 2.5 years of CM'ship and would be back with mothership.
Million dollar question would be if Saheb would forget the shenanigans that SS would bring along with them.
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pankajs wrote:
manjgu wrote:the angst in NE states over CAB is quite understandable ... their culture, social values, demography is under threat as the migration is concentrated in their areas. Govt should defuse the situation by announcing a quota system for all states to remove presure from NE states.
And light fires all over India instead of one state?

1. In the era of Modi, after caste division have started to yield less and less the only available plank is hyper-localism as has been demonstrated all over India with the latest one being in Maharashtra where NCP/Sena have re-started the local vs outsider chorus. NCP goons have been tearing up Gujarati hoardings in Mumbai as the latest manifestation of that new plank.

2. Indian in general and Hindus specifically have NO strategic sense. In Assam specifically, IF only NRC illegals (Hindus + Muslims) are pushed back to Bangladesh guess who benefits? The Bangladeshi Muslim infiltrators who already have made it past the last NRC exercise! IIRC, Hemant B Sharma stated in his interaction during the Indian Today enclave that Assam is already staring at a situation where in 20-30 years, it is on path to permanent Muslim majority. Now, If the remaining Hindu Bengalis were to be re-located outside the state will this timeline get extended or compresses? Would they prefer a Bangladesh in Assam to a Bengal just as a debating point? Myophia is most apt term to describe the Assamese mool nivasis outlook but also Hindu outlook in general everywhere.

3. It is better to assure Assamese of their economic, political, cultural and language pre-eminance in the state under various mechanism still available to the state and the center.

4. Tripura was solved with discussion, some assurance and arraignment that is not out in the public. The same track should be worked in Assam.

5. Transfer of population could be done BUT without announcement or fanfare so as not to trigger the local sentiment in the recipient's backyard. Give people economic incentive to move to under populated or strategic areas.

Trust Modi/Shah to evolve a way out as they have done with issues that no one else wanted to touch with a barge pole. If it involves population transfer so be it but leave it to them. And most of all people need to have patience.

Its easy to mouth words like strategy/patience etc when ur own house is not on fire. if ur house is on fire would u practice patience or think of a strategy on how to protect ur next house from fire? There is a proverb in N India/punjab ...everyone wants/loves a Bhagat Singh ( martyr) but he should be from the neighbours house ( not mine). Would ur reaction be same if u were a assamese? its important IMHO to see that all illegal immigration stops and not only 1 state or few states ( with v less population) suffer its consequences. we cant have border states on turmoil/fire. Why not move hindus to border areas in J&K...gujrat..rajasthan... and find ways to kick out mullahs out of india. I hope GOI has good options for local NE communities.
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Vikas wrote:That way they would get their share of 2.5 years of CM'ship and would be back with mothership.
This was precisely what Kumaraswamy of JD(S) Karnataka tried with Yeddiyurappa. He was CM for 2.5 years and when it was time to step down, realised that BJP was "communal" and pulled the plug. So BJP this is not new ;).
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manjgu wrote:Why not move hindus to border areas in J&K...gujrat..rajasthan... and find ways to kick out mullahs out of india. I hope GOI has good options for local NE communities.
It is now very clear that Mullahs are misusing a local situation in Assam (and few other states) to ensure that they and their folks from neighbouring countries have a free run in India. The best way would be to incentivise Bangladesh based Hindu refugees to other parts of India. Right now they may be trying to stay put in Assam mainly because that is the only place they got some foot hold. Perhaps make the citizenship process easier for Bangladeshi refugee Hindus if they are willing to relocate to other parts of India. They may also not find it a harsh measure because their biggest worry - getting caught during such trips and then deportation - will not happen any more.

And when there is tangible progress in settling the non-peacefool migrants else where, the NRC processes can begin the border states (first). The change made in the bill (ILP etc.) itself should tone down lots of problems, but looks like the "seculars" are encouraging the peacefools to riot at this point of time. By the way, after the 1971 war a lot of Bangladeshi refugees were actually resettled in Andaman Islands. From what I have heard, they were brought in ships and allocated land parcels (of nearly 3-4 acres per family) the deal being that they would work on those lands and survive.
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manjgu wrote:
pankajs wrote:And light fires all over India instead of one state?

1. In the era of Modi, after caste division have started to yield less and less the only available plank is hyper-localism as has been demonstrated all over India with the latest one being in Maharashtra where NCP/Sena have re-started the local vs outsider chorus. NCP goons have been tearing up Gujarati hoardings in Mumbai as the latest manifestation of that new plank.

2. Indian in general and Hindus specifically have NO strategic sense. In Assam specifically, IF only NRC illegals (Hindus + Muslims) are pushed back to Bangladesh guess who benefits? The Bangladeshi Muslim infiltrators who already have made it past the last NRC exercise! IIRC, Hemant B Sharma stated in his interaction during the Indian Today enclave that Assam is already staring at a situation where in 20-30 years, it is on path to permanent Muslim majority. Now, If the remaining Hindu Bengalis were to be re-located outside the state will this timeline get extended or compresses? Would they prefer a Bangladesh in Assam to a Bengal just as a debating point? Myophia is most apt term to describe the Assamese mool nivasis outlook but also Hindu outlook in general everywhere.

3. It is better to assure Assamese of their economic, political, cultural and language pre-eminance in the state under various mechanism still available to the state and the center.

4. Tripura was solved with discussion, some assurance and arraignment that is not out in the public. The same track should be worked in Assam.

5. Transfer of population could be done BUT without announcement or fanfare so as not to trigger the local sentiment in the recipient's backyard. Give people economic incentive to move to under populated or strategic areas.

Trust Modi/Shah to evolve a way out as they have done with issues that no one else wanted to touch with a barge pole. If it involves population transfer so be it but leave it to them. And most of all people need to have patience.

Its easy to mouth words like strategy/patience etc when ur own house is not on fire. if ur house is on fire would u practice patience or think of a strategy on how to protect ur next house from fire? There is a proverb in N India/punjab ...everyone wants/loves a Bhagat Singh ( martyr) but he should be from the neighbours house ( not mine). Would ur reaction be same if u were a assamese? its important IMHO to see that all illegal immigration stops and not only 1 state or few states ( with v less population) suffer its consequences. we cant have border states on turmoil/fire. Why not move hindus to border areas in J&K...gujrat..rajasthan... and find ways to kick out mullahs out of india. I hope GOI has good options for local NE communities.
It is very easy to light fires all over India to quell one. Very easy give advice to someone who has to think of ALL houses than just one.

Forget that it is impossible to stop all illegal immigration but even if it were possible that would only ensure that all minorities will be left to the dogs. We can't have A border state on fire so we must light fire in all states. Fantastic!

Lo jee .. "we cant have border states on turmoil/fire" BUT we can light fires in border states via "Why not move hindus to border areas in J&K...gujrat..rajasthan"

Happens when emotion overtakes reason. Now lets talk reason ...

Let me quote myself again from the above
5. Transfer of population could be done BUT without announcement or fanfare so as not to trigger the local sentiment in the recipient's backyard. Give people economic incentive to move to under populated or strategic areas.
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manjgu wrote:the angst in NE states over CAB is quite understandable ... their culture, social values, demography is under threat as the migration is concentrated in their areas. Govt should defuse the situation by announcing a quota system for all states to remove presure from NE states.
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Any complex and complicated issue will have its repercussions but unlike Congoon govt, BJP has taken a step to resolve these issues. If it was easy peesy to sort out issues like illegal migration and citizenship, someone else would have already claimed it.
I hope this is all part of cleaning the swamp and we will see better results and state of the union in few years.
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OmkarC wrote:Not Muslims, the others.. why distinguish Hindus who have been persecuted recently from those who were persecuted earlier ?
To prevent the system from being gamed the cutoff is suitable back dated.
Yesterday, AS clarified that the cut off date was fixed when the bill was first introduced in 2015. Apart from certain suggestion that have been incorporated nothing else has been changed. The date is a carryover from the original. That is to say there is no logic to it other than it was part of the original bill.

The other things that should be clear by now is that the bill provides a limited facility for those having landed in India prior to the cut-off date. This is not a permanent facility nor does it permanently change the Indian citizenship laws. Rest ALL will have to go through the normal process that is available to everyone even now.
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https://twitter.com/iMac_too/status/1204953146490966016
iMac_too @iMac_too

Citizenship bill will benefit 1.5 crore people; 50% are SC, STs: RSS sources
https://twitter.com/Ram_Guha/status/1204592239185235968
Ramachandra Guha @Ram_Guha

One of the consequences of the CAB (and of Hindutva majoritarianism in general) will be that the brain drain will accelerate. Fewer and fewer Indian scientists educated abroad will want to come back to a land marked by hatred and bigotry. India's loss will be America's gain.
Ramachandra Guha @Ram_Guha

Already, top scientists working in India are dismayed at the ignorant falsehoods uttered on public platforms by our HRD Minister (and our S&T Minister too). The CAB will confirm their fears that the present Government will be disastrous for science.
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Why are critics of the CAB saying that it is violative of Article 14 of the Constitution? The Constitution is a foundational law that people of India enacted to say that we as people of a nation will enact such laws and be governed by it as are in consonance with the Constitution. So it is clearly meant to apply to Indians. No person who is not an Indian can claim that the principle of equality before the law should apply to him/her. There is a reason why the Preamble of the Constitution says, 'We the people of India .....'.
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 483053.cms
Bhatt lying about CM meeting: Probe report
“On consideration of evidence, it clearly appears that Bhatt is not telling the truth with regards to what happened in the meeting held on February 27, 2002, at the CM’s residence. Claims made by him of being present in the meeting appear to be false,” stated the second part of the report of the ‘Commission of Inquiry’ by Justice G T Nanavati and Justice Akshay Mehta.

“...Obviously, his version about what was discussed and what was stated by the CM and others in that meeting is a story now made out by him and deserves to be discarded as false,” the report stated.

Bhatt, a 1988-batch IPS officer, who was deputy commissioner, intelligence, in the State Intelligence Bureau (SIB) in 2002, had stated on affidavit in the SC that he had attended the February 27 meeting at the CM’s residence in Gandhinagar. He said Modi had instructed Gujarat Police and the state administration to ‘refrain from resorting to strict action and to permit the majority community to vent their anger at the minority community’.

In 2015, Bhatt was dismissed from police service on grounds of ‘unauthorized absence’. He has now been in jail for more than a year, after being given a life sentence in a 1990 Jamnagar custodial death case and being denied bail in a 1996 drug planting case.

Significantly, the commission said it found that the copy of a fax message, purportedly signed and sent by Bhatt on February 27, to support his claim of attending the meeting, was actually sent on March 2, 2002, by P P Upadhyay, about an incident at Pandarva in Panchmahal.
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pankajs wrote:The other things that should be clear by now is that the bill provides a limited facility for those having landed in India prior to the cut-off date. This is not a permanent facility nor does it permanently change the Indian citizenship laws. Rest ALL will have to go through the normal process that is available to everyone even now.
I am yet to see the approved bill or the Act published in the Gazette. But my understanding is that:-
1. The Act is to provide citizenship for non-Indians (except peacefools) who are already in India on or before Yr. 2014. This is like a one time scheme to deal with people who have been staying in India for ages but not getting citizenship.
2. For the current and future refugees they would only need to stay in India for 5 years in order to ask for citizenship (earlier this was 11 years and more). This again would be a privilege for non-peacefool communities. And it is on this condition that the "seculars" came up with the scenario of "what is peacefools convert->come to India->get citizenship->convert back?".
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https://twitter.com/utkarsh_aanand/stat ... 0141506560
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Indian Union Muslim League (IUML) is set to move the #SupremeCourt, challenging validity of the #CitizenshipAmendmentBill2019. The petition is expected to be filed today by IUML MPs | @News18Courtroom
https://twitter.com/utkarsh_aanand/stat ... 4688409601
Utkarsh Anand @utkarsh_aanand

Petition filed in the #SupremeCourt by IUML, claiming #CitizenshipAmmendmentBill2019 violates Article 14 of the Constitution & illegally classifies people on the basis of religion. Sr adv Kapil Sibal will represent the party. It will be mentioned once the President gives assent.
https://twitter.com/brakoo/status/1204792729005215744
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Has there ever been such a lengthy statement from the witch on any of the previous bills/decisions?

Maino is rattled. The house of cards called 'Idea of India' is slowly but surely falling down in a steady slow motion... and there's nothing she can do about it.
Not just Manio but all their internal and external backers are rattled and one reason why USCIRF was activated so early to signal others who will vote and to those who will sit in judgement. Shah was mentioned by name but it was also aimed at the rest of the parliamentarians to make them back off under the threat of sanctions.
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