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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 06 Oct 2019 20:30
by Kashi
chetak wrote:
Modi is, unsurprisingly, India's best PM ever. I am surprised that the weakling and colonial slave Nehru ranks fourth but then the rating he has - 9% - is quite symbolic. :-) It gets even better with Rajiv Gandhi at 6% - a first time '69' PMs within a family? :-)


Where's PVNR on that list??

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 06 Oct 2019 20:31
by Manish_Sharma
:rotfl: ^ Actual Best Prime Minister is missing from the list itself Shri PV Narsimha Rao

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 06 Oct 2019 20:57
by Rsatchi
Manish_Sharma wrote::rotfl: ^ Actual Best Prime Minister is missing from the list itself Shri PV Narsimha Rao


Sharmaji:
1.Namo
2.PVN
3.Atalji
4.Banditji
5.Betiji
6.Nanda
7.Potaji
8.Snake oil singh :rotfl:

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 06 Oct 2019 21:02
by Rahul M
Where's LBS?

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 06 Oct 2019 21:25
by Rsatchi
Rahul M wrote:Where's LBS?

Mea Culpa
1.Namo
2PVN
3LBS
4Atalji
5Banditji
6.Betiji
7.Nanda
8Potaji
9.Snake oil Singh
10.Gowda
And the last three probably score sub 1% :lol: :lol:
They just make the numbers list :rotfl:

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 06 Oct 2019 22:06
by chetak
Rsatchi wrote:
Rahul M wrote:Where's LBS?

Mea Culpa
1.Namo
2PVN
3LBS
4Atalji
5Banditji
6.Betiji
7.Nanda
8Potaji
9.Snake oil Singh
10.Gowda
And the last three probably score sub 1% :lol: :lol:
They just make the numbers list :rotfl:


one would swap 5 and 6. one had testimonials and the other didn't.

if gowda is mentioned then so should ik gujral who got scores of Indian raw agents killed

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 06 Oct 2019 22:37
by Rudradev
Chandra Shekhar was actually a pretty good (if short-lived) PM. The process of economic reform, mostly credited to PVNR/MMS these days, actually began under CS with Subramanian Swamy as his Minister of Commerce.

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 06 Oct 2019 22:48
by Rudradev
My list
1. NaMo
2. PVNR
3. Shastriji
4. Atalji
5. Chandra Shekhar
6. Gulzari Lal Nanda (honest man, never grabbed power for himself despite many opportunities)
7. Chaudhary Charan Singh (at least did no harm)
8. Indira Gandhi
9. Morarji Desai
10. Bandit ji
11. Deve Gowda
12. Rajiv Gandhi
13. Manmohan Singh
14. V P Singh (putting him above Gujral because Mandal, while disastrous at the time, had the unintended consequence of creating a massively deep constituency for Hindutva)
15. I K Gujral (Paki lover who disemboweled RAW just at the time Taliban were created & gaining momentum)

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 07 Oct 2019 04:47
by Kashi
Rahul M wrote:Where's LBS?


In that list he's there at 5th with 6%, same as Rajiv Gandhi.

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 07 Oct 2019 04:56
by VinodTK


NewsX Polstrat Opinion Poll Predicts Clean Sweep for BJP In Maharashtra & Haryana

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 07 Oct 2019 08:21
by arshyam
Earlier article chetak-saar had posted here was from an Al-Jazeera, this is by the author herself. Please spread far and wide.

x-post from the UK thread.
chetak wrote:England, not only the perfidious albion but also the thieving and larcenous albion.

How the British impoverished India

How the British impoverished India

When the Crown took over from the Company, from 1861 a clever system was developed under which all of India’s financial gold and forex earnings from its fast-rising commodity export surplus with the world, was intercepted and appropriated by Britain.

Oct 30, 2018
Utsa Patnaik

The British historians Phyllis Deane and WA Cole presented an incorrect estimate of Britain’s 18th-19th century trade volume, by leaving out re-exports completely. I found that by 1800 Britain’s total trade was 62% higher than their estimate, on applying the correct definition of trade including re-exports, that is used by the United Nations and by all other international organisations.

The British historians Phyllis Deane and WA Cole presented an incorrect estimate of Britain’s 18th-19th century trade volume, by leaving out re-exports completely. I found that by 1800 Britain’s total trade was 62% higher than their estimate, on applying the correct definition of trade including re-exports, that is used by the United Nations and by all other international organisations.

‘How exactly did the British manage to diddle us and drain our wealth’ ? was the question that Basudev Chatterjee (later editor of a volume in the Towards Freedom project ) had posed to me 50 years ago when we were fellow-students abroad. After decades of research I find that using India’s commodity export surplus as the measure and applying an interest rate of 5%, the total drain from 1765 to 1938, compounded up to 2016, comes to £9.2 trillion; since $4.86 exchanged for £1 those days, this sum equals about $45 trillion.

The exact mechanism of drain, or transfers from India to Britain was quite simple. The key factor was Britain’s control over our taxation revenues combined with control over India’s financial gold and forex earnings from its booming commodity export surplus with the world. Simply put, Britain used locally raised rupee tax revenues to pay for its net import of goods, a highly abnormal use of budgetary funds not seen in any sovereign country. The East India Company from 1765 onwards allocated every year up to one-third of Indian budgetary revenues net of collection costs, to buy a large volume of goods for direct import into Britain, far in excess of that country’s own needs. Since tropical goods were highly prized in other cold temperate countries which could never produce them, in effect these free goods represented international purchasing power for Britain which kept a part for its own use and re-exported the balance to other countries in Europe and North America against import of food grains, iron and other goods in which it was deficient. The British historians Phyllis Deane and WA Cole presented an incorrect estimate of Britain’s 18th-19th century trade volume, by leaving out re-exports completely. I found that by 1800 Britain’s total trade was 62% higher than their estimate, on applying the correct definition of trade including re-exports, that is used by the United Nations and by all other international organisations.

When the Crown took over from the Company, from 1861 a clever system was developed under which all of India’s financial gold and forex earnings from its fast-rising commodity export surplus with the world, was intercepted and appropriated by Britain. As before up to a third of India’s rising budgetary revenues was not spent domestically but was set aside as ‘expenditure abroad’. The Secretary of State for India in Council, based in London, invited foreign importers to deposit with him the payment (in gold, sterling and their own currencies) for their net imports from India, and these gold and forex payments disappeared into the yawning maw of the SoS’s account in the Bank of England. Against India’s net foreign earnings he issued bills, termed Council bills (CBs), to an equivalent rupee value. The rate (between gold-linked sterling and silver rupee) at which the bills were issued, was carefully adjusted to the last farthing, so that foreigners would never find it more profitable to ship financial gold as payment directly to Indians, compared to using the CB route. Foreign importers then sent the CBs by post or by telegraph to the export houses in India, that via the exchange banks were paid out of the budgeted provision of sums under ‘expenditure abroad’, and the exporters in turn paid the producers (peasants and artisans) from whom they sourced the goods.

The United Nations (1962) historical data for 1900 to 1960, show that for three decades up to 1928 (and very likely earlier too) India posted the second highest merchandise export surplus in the world, with USA in the first position. Not only were Indians deprived of every bit of the enormous international purchasing power they had earned over 175 years, even its rupee equivalent was not issued to them since not even the colonial government was credited with any part of India’s net gold and forex earnings against which it could issue rupees. The sleight-of-hand employed, namely ‘paying’ producers out of their own taxes, made India’s export surplus unrequited and constituted a tax-financed drain to the metropolis, as had been correctly pointed out by those highly insightful classical writers, Dadabhai Naoroji and RCDutt.

Surplus budgets to effect such heavy tax-financed transfers had a severe employment–reducing and income-deflating effect: mass consumption was squeezed in order to release export goods. Per capita annual foodgrains absorption in British India declined from 210 kg. during the period 1904-09, to 157 kg. during 1937-41, and to only 137 kg by 1946. If even a part of its enormous foreign earnings had been credited to it and not entirely siphoned off, India could have imported modern technology to build up an industrial structure as Japan was doing. Instead the masses suffered severe nutritional decline and independent India inherited a festering problem of unemployment and poverty.

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 07 Oct 2019 08:28
by Hari Seldon
^It's terrible MorarjiD, HDD or IK Gujral didn't make the list.

Or maybe their numbers are >100% and so can't fit into the infographic only...

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 07 Oct 2019 08:44
by Manish_Sharma
There was an article by shekhar kupta on how gujaral as PM confessed to the world "India has BIOLOGICAL Weapons", and proceeded to destroy them.

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 07 Oct 2019 09:49
by Paul
Praful Bidwai was from Assam. He choked to death from a fishbone stuck in his throat

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 07 Oct 2019 10:38
by chetak
Paul wrote:Praful Bidwai was from Assam. He choked to death from a fishbone stuck in his throat


karma is indeed a 5 letter word. :mrgreen:

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 07 Oct 2019 10:58
by Manish_Sharma
My list:
1.) Vajpayee
He did full spectrum of 5 SHAKTI TESTS, putting out the big chest declaring it as weapons grades tests, whether his efforts were undone by incompetent handling of Thermonuclear Test is no fault of his. He bore full brunt of having mamta banerjee type supporters AND still left us on growth Trajectory of 8 to 9 percent.

He also declared to world that China is enemy number one, while Porkistan is only irritating cockroach.

He bore full brunt of sanctions by Bharatvarsh's BIG HATER CLINTON ADMINISTRATION.

He allowed army to practice and test out its COLD START.

What a man! His coalition under constant threat by bullying partners, while Godhra Train burning issue in full blast with porkis congis brishit clinton-ites commies attacking him full on.

Still he managed to create 6 crore jobs.

We were not walking or running but leaping flying in growth.

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Anal

Posted: 07 Oct 2019 12:02
by Vayutuvan
PV Narasimha Rao gaari constituency called him PV (saab). when he was addressed directly, it was "Narasimharao gaaru". PVNR was never used ever.

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 07 Oct 2019 17:45
by chetak
For those who reflect on the idea of India, this is a universal truth

twitter


“By nature, the left wing is global and the right wing is local.....the global right is a futile exercise. There will never be such a thing”

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 07 Oct 2019 18:55
by pankajs
As expected the India "Hate crime" database has just switched affiliations.

https://twitter.com/swati_gs/status/1181070059994636290
Swati Goel Sharma @swati_gs

So Amnesty's hate crime database has no space for crime committed against non-dalit Hindus (see the victim column). It also appears that atrocities on dalits are counted as hate only if perpetrator is non-dalit Hindu (which means the Begusarai case obviously is not a part of it)

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 07 Oct 2019 21:42
by chetak
this is what you get after decades of appeasement.



twitter



When Mamata Banerjee as a non- Muslim wore hijab&prayed to Allah like other Muslims,Muslim clerics were happy&called her acts secular.But when Nushrat Jahan as a non-Hindu danced & prayed in a puja mandap like other Hindus,Muslim clerics were unhappy&called her acts un Islamic!



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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 07 Oct 2019 22:14
by vishvak
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 07 Oct 2019 23:31
by Vikas
Not sure why LBS is counted among great PM's. Instead his govt caused severe anti-India feelings in TN due to imposition of Hindi in Jan'1965. HIs list of achievements or lack of them as PM is pretty small.
Same goes for other filler type PM's who neither had the power nor the time to leave any mark on administration.
In fact anyone who did not serve as PM for 5 years should not be even in the list of 'Bestest PM ever'.

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 08 Oct 2019 00:22
by abhik
^^^
It's all time pass discussion onlee, to be taken with as much seriousness as any buzzfeed taap 10 list. I will bet 15 years down the line people here will be debating if NaMo is greater leader or Amit bhai ;)

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 08 Oct 2019 01:05
by hgupta
I’m sorry But I have to rate Moraji Desai as the worst because he was a complete traitor to India. He betrayed two RAW agents and allowed Pakistan to have a nuclear program when he had a perfect opportunity to take Pakistan’s nuclear program out but he refused because it was “immoral”. Fvck him and his moral ideals. His refusal has resulted in having a deranged nuke armed neighbor to the west and we have to pay that price for a long time. I repeat, Moraji Desai is a traitor.

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 08 Oct 2019 02:09
by disha
Morarji Desai as traitor is a canard spread by CONgoons. Please do not put much credence in that yarn.

It is to Morarji' Desai's credit that ISRO's SHAR has evolved as a space port.

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 08 Oct 2019 05:16
by Vayutuvan
disha wrote:Morarji Desai as traitor is a canard spread by CONgoons. Please do not put much credence in that yarn.


I never understood why Morarji Desai was given the highest award Nishan-e-Paistan. Other recipients include Queen Elizabeth II, MBS, Erdogan, Mahathir, and Eleven. It almost looks like a gallery of international rogue and thief leaders.

This was back in 1990. Didn't the Cashmore problems reignite around that time and KPs were genocided and expelled forcibly soon after?

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 08 Oct 2019 05:20
by Vayutuvan
Vikas wrote:Not sure why LBS is counted among great PM's. Instead his govt caused severe anti-India feelings in TN due to imposition of Hindi in Jan'1965. HIs list of achievements or lack of them as PM is pretty small.


LBS was the PM for a short while - ~1.5 years.

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 08 Oct 2019 06:07
by schinnas
LBS was given the Paki award for his stupidity in exposing Indian assets inside Pak nuclear program. His idocy was exposed well by K.N. Kao.

He caused lot of harm to Indian national interests with his incompetence.

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 08 Oct 2019 06:46
by Kashi
schinnas wrote:LBS was given the Paki award for his stupidity in exposing Indian assets inside Pak nuclear program. His idocy was exposed well by K.N. Kao.

He caused lot of harm to Indian national interests with his incompetence.


That was Morarji Desai. LBS on the other hand chaddi utaaroed Bakistanis that lead tanking of their economy, ignominious exit of Field Marshal Ayub Khan (who derisively viewed LBS as puny and weak) and culminated in the events of 1971.

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 08 Oct 2019 08:52
by SriKumar
LBS does count as a great in my book. He took over after Nehru who died after the China war humiliation. India was in a bad shape due the war and the need to urgently raise new divisions to fight an aggressive CHina- who showed they could come into Assam at will. China threat loomed large at that time. The economy was under severe stress due to the need to build up new divisions facing China (I heard there was food shortages- Miss a meal on Monday' was a slogan). It is to LBS's credit Indian army was built to a point that in 1965 it was able to punch through upto Lahore, Pakistan, while keeping a credible defensive posture against CHina. LBS also took war to the settled Radcliff line after PAkistan crossed the LOC- showing Pakistan clearly that the LOC around Kashmir is an equivalent to our international border part of India. All this in 1.5 years is pretty good.

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 08 Oct 2019 09:57
by Vayutuvan
schinnas wrote:LBS was given the Paki award for his stupidity in exposing Indian assets inside Pak nuclear program. His idocy was exposed well by K.N. Kao.

He caused lot of harm to Indian national interests with his incompetence.


please boss. Sri Desai was given the highest award by pakis -not LBS.

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 08 Oct 2019 10:31
by chetak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAji2zvXf0Y



Security, Stability, and the Future of Kashmir




Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 08 Oct 2019 11:14
by Rsatchi
Hari Seldon wrote:^It's terrible MorarjiD, HDD or IK Gujral didn't make the list.

Or maybe their numbers are >100% and so can't fit into the infographic only
...

Hariji
Morarjibhai though the first non-congi PM apart from few saner minister like Ataji, Dhandavate, George F had more buffons with daily tamasha :lol:
IK was an dharmic version of 'Meer Sadak'
HDD apart from being from south did 'Jackshit' :rotfl:

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 08 Oct 2019 17:29
by A_Gupta
https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/the- ... ew-compact
The Jaishankar Doctrine: How India And The West Can Reach A New Compact

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General question - is BRF resurrecting General Discussion Forum?

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 08 Oct 2019 20:51
by Rsatchi
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 493008.cms
So much for this secular philandering MOFO.
Doesn't have the guts to check with peaceful about terms like Kuffr, Ghazwa-e-hind, el taquiya, Dar-Ul-Harab etc but has plenty of advice for the dharmic folks!! :(( :((

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 08 Oct 2019 22:59
by nachiket
A_Gupta wrote:General question - is BRF resurrecting General Discussion Forum?

No.

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 09 Oct 2019 00:22
by SBajwa
Vayutuvan wrote:
schinnas wrote:LBS was given the Paki award for his stupidity in exposing Indian assets inside Pak nuclear program. His idocy was exposed well by K.N. Kao.

He caused lot of harm to Indian national interests with his incompetence.


please boss. Sri Desai was given the highest award by pakis -not LBS.


RAW had a barber shop close to Kahuta. The hair were regularly analyzed for radiation. Mr Desai told this to Zia. Who promptly executed the human intelligence on ground.

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 09 Oct 2019 01:55
by ramana
End of this month Harayana, Jharkand, and Maharashtra go to polls and are expected to be won by BJP.

Only debate is the margin.

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 09 Oct 2019 01:56
by ramana
A_Gupta wrote:https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/the-jaishankar-doctrine-how-india-and-the-west-can-reach-a-new-compact
The Jaishankar Doctrine: How India And The West Can Reach A New Compact

--
General question - is BRF resurrecting General Discussion Forum?


What is your use case?

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Posted: 09 Oct 2019 02:49
by A_Gupta
^^^ Some of the discussion better fits there.