2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ramana » 20 Nov 2019 21:28

ramana wrote:
Rsatchi wrote:Ramanaji
This is from a NTCD (Non-Technical Confused Desi) :
1.What is the need for Mark II platform, yaniki if it's going to take 10 yrs at-least to come through why go through the 'Birthing Pains' can we not concentrate on what is achievable and doable.
2. Is MWF is aka Mark II, and if so will the IAF buy it now that the carrot of Unobtanium ( AMCA in 5 yrs) has been dangled.
3. will MWF or can MWF be suitable for navy as well or are they hell bent on TEDBF AND if that is the case then why not thus modify AMCA naval version and be done with it.
Why this tamasha for another 10 years
We could identify common engine maker for all the above and ask them to set up a manufacturing unit in India. And also any chance of supportin Kaveri by the same???
The reason I am asking is:
1. General elections in 2024 Kaun ayega kya patha?? :roll:
2. New ACM in a couple of yrs What he is going to do :shock:
3. Babu log aka Kabab me haddi always there :oops:
4. Concerned Liberandus aka sinha/shourie/poori etcs will always be there :evil:
5. And lastly but most importantly the 'Aam Admi' what he is going to do and who will he vote in 2024??
If any two/three of the above 5 changes then the tamasha will repeat :lol: :lol:


Answers to questions that I can answer:
1. IAF has said they will source new combat planes from India only. Rafale is last buy. having said that the M2Ks will be quite olsd and need replacement. If you note MkII is almost same as M2K in specs. And the trio: DRDO, IAF, and HAL are concentrating on achievable and doable. All under watchful eye.
2. The MkII acquisition is regardless of AMCA. Both are needed in their own time. So decouple the idea in the mind.
3. No. Very clearly all over the world an air force plane has never worked for the navy as there are differences in environments and requirements. Eg. F-4 Phantom et al. So Naval LCA will lead to Naval LCA MKII. TEDBF is future twin engine plane. I don't think the 57 planes requirement will be imported regardless what chatteratti say. If the Naval MKII is cancelled they will get the Naval LCA MKI as it is just now qualified.
Bonus question engine is national priority and will be take up as such.

Rest in political thread.

In future separate political from technical.


Next set.
1. 2024 BJP with even more majority. Take it in writing.
2. ACM are all good. Congress technique was to make ACM the scape goat for their scams. No such thing now. All are great officers.
3. Babu log used to be a haddi. Ever since Rajiv Gandhi govt collapsed on bribery charges in late 1980s till 2014 permanent govt of babus was running the state. Some were good and many are bad. Now they understand the "Return of the King" as 2014 and 2019 shows. I mean King is Praja not NaMo
4. They are just shills not concerned about anything except pocket books. See answer 3.
5. See answer 1.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Karthik S » 20 Nov 2019 22:49

https://www.news18.com/news/india/bhu-students-protest-against-muslim-sanskrit-teacher-is-absurd-says-chief-of-rss-language-wing-2393059.html

BHU Students' Protest against Sanskrit Muslim Teacher is Absurd, Says Chief of RSS Language Wing
The national organisational secretary of the RSS's Sanskrit Bharti, Dev Pujari, said there is no limitation in learning a language and the students are on the wrong side of the issue.


Why am I not surprised, RSS is biggest fraud on indics, somehow they managed to make hindus believe that they are protectors of hindus, but are biggest jaichands worst or dhimmis at best. Had my suspicion since they supported SC verdict on sabarimala.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ArjunPandit » 20 Nov 2019 22:59

ramana wrote:Next set.
1. 2024 BJP with even more majority. Take it in writing.
......
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5. See answer 1.

what else was expected out of bjp
1. Kashmir: Art 370
2. ram mandir
3. UCC: wait for it
4. NRC..will get done
5. PoK wait for it

the drama of SS is for everyone to see...if it doesnt come with bigger majority then we're ourselves to blame...the only thing to be seen is will it be modi still be leading the charge then..but i dont want to think of that scenario...

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 20 Nov 2019 23:06

Karthik S wrote:
https://www.news18.com/news/india/bhu-students-protest-against-muslim-sanskrit-teacher-is-absurd-says-chief-of-rss-language-wing-2393059.html

BHU Students' Protest against Sanskrit Muslim Teacher is Absurd, Says Chief of RSS Language Wing
The national organisational secretary of the RSS's Sanskrit Bharti, Dev Pujari, said there is no limitation in learning a language and the students are on the wrong side of the issue.


Why am I not surprised, RSS is biggest fraud on indics, somehow they managed to make hindus believe that they are protectors of hindus, but are biggest jaichands worst or dhimmis at best. Had my suspicion since they supported SC verdict on sabarimala.


this guy beat more than 20 other guys in the job interview.

How is the RSS at fault. They had no role in the selection process.

they should have just shut up and kept quiet or if they have opened their mouth, what could they have possibly said except for this.

just saying only.

regarding sabarimala, yes, they should have kept their bleddy mouths tightly shut.

They had no dog in the fight and also it was simply none of their business.
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Karthik S » 20 Nov 2019 23:11

Chetak sir, that guy's selection is not RSS's fault, but RSS finding fault with students' position is their fault. The best they can do is keep their mouth shut and not try to act secular. It seems commies are taking BHU, the students there need our support in more ways than one.

BTW, beating 20 others is poor argument. Am sure many in BRF can beat many mullahs and imams in learning their religions' scriptures, but will people belonging to that faith accept an indic as a teacher of their religious scriptures?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ramana » 20 Nov 2019 23:17

No they wont. Alighar Uty is a case in example.

Many HINOs are defending this Muslim Sanskrit teacher appointment as they think the issue is that of teaching language only.
The BHU appointment is not in the Dept of Languages but in the Dept of Hindu Religion and in contravention of the founders requirement.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 20 Nov 2019 23:25

Karthik S wrote:Chetak sir, that guy's selection is not RSS's fault, but RSS finding fault with students' position is their fault. The best they can do is keep their mouth shut and not try to act secular. It seems commies are taking BHU, the students there need our support in more ways than one.

BTW, beating 20 others is poor argument. Am sure many in BRF can beat many mullahs and imams in learning their religions' scriptures, but will people belonging to that faith accept an indic as a teacher of their religious scriptures?


Karthik S saar,

I was talking about the legitimacy of the selection process is all.

Also, please bear in mind that there is an international conspiracy to malign and cast the RSS as an extremist or even a terrorist organization by the commies/naxals/BIF and interconnected religious fundoos.

The RSS is trying to counter that.

They should actually be hiring some really good lobbyists or image consultants to advise them but what to do, such things are not in their age old, hide bound khaki knicker DNA and that may actually their strongest point. It shows a very strong organizational character.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 20 Nov 2019 23:30

ramana wrote:No they wont. Alighar Uty is a case in example.

Many HINOs are defending this Muslim Sanskrit teacher appointment as they think the issue is that of teaching language only.
The BHU appointment is not in the Dept of Languages but in the Dept of Hindu Religion and in contravention of the founders requirement.


there you go.

As usual, ramana saar's input is revelatory and that puts a very different complexion on the matter.

you were right, Karthik S saar.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sivab » 20 Nov 2019 23:41

Karthik S wrote:
https://www.news18.com/news/india/bhu-students-protest-against-muslim-sanskrit-teacher-is-absurd-says-chief-of-rss-language-wing-2393059.html

BHU Students' Protest against Sanskrit Muslim Teacher is Absurd, Says Chief of RSS Language Wing
The national organisational secretary of the RSS's Sanskrit Bharti, Dev Pujari, said there is no limitation in learning a language and the students are on the wrong side of the issue.


Why am I not surprised, RSS is biggest fraud on indics, somehow they managed to make hindus believe that they are protectors of hindus, but are biggest jaichands worst or dhimmis at best. Had my suspicion since they supported SC verdict on sabarimala.


Samskritha Bharati is not RSS, never was.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby UlanBatori » 20 Nov 2019 23:58

Had my suspicion since they supported SC verdict on sabarimala.

May I interject a small does of sanity (and wisdom that comes from living in caves and hiding from Bredators..)

Saying
I accept the Supreme Court Verdict

is very different from saying
In my deep knowlidj of the Indian Legal Code, it is my considered opinion that the Supreme Court verdict is correct, and I SUPPORT it.


The former is smart, and keeps Bredators away. Wise. Can be done while submitting a Review Betishun under the table, so that one can **ACCEPT** the revised verdict as well.
The latter is stupid, since the Supreme Court does not **NEEED** ur opinion. See "fa*t in the thunderstorm Level of Importance" elsewhere.
OTOH, OPPOSING a Supreme Court verdict is not just stupid, it is counterproductive. You should always RESPECT the Supreme Court even when you say:
Their Honners are ahead of as many as 1000 people in India, in their level of wisdom.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vishvak » 21 Nov 2019 00:47

5. PoK wait for it

PoLadakh actually.
but will people belonging to that faith accept an indic as a teacher of their religious scriptures?

Or will Marxist s accept an Indic as teacher of Marxism in IIT even now that litigating behaviour has reached there? We got raw deal by not litigating/rioting/propagandisting/international enough looks like.

I think the intellectual s just make the most of diversity for looking good, now taken over by hindoo-phobia; without ever debating if laws of limitations affect diversity the worst and mono-isms least. Such bland (lazy is more correct word) behaviour dumps any resulting confusion on natives - called heatheins pegeins kooffr non-believers in general terms - until 'next looter' (Chinese, alongwith previous ones in li e) is ready.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vimal » 21 Nov 2019 01:37

https://twitter.com/ShefVaidya/status/1 ... 8272230400

Just saw a poignant message from a Hindu student from @RutgersU. It is a heartfelt cry for help. The Hindu Students Council of facing a lot of backlash and hate from other students, professors as well as Kashmiri Muzlim orgs just for organising an event. Shameful.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby A_Gupta » 21 Nov 2019 01:41

Axiom 1: Yep, a Jaichand under every stone. :eek:
Axiom 2: there are lot of HINOs. Anyone saying otherwise is a Jaichand.
Axiom 3: There are no MINOs. There is only taqiya.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby UlanBatori » 21 Nov 2019 03:30

^^My SeeAyyeh contacts tell me that videography is restricted by Rutgers at the above event. Free Expression/ Academic Phreedom in action, Rutgers ishtyle :roll: . No enterprising You-Tubers/Twits there, hain? Hope to see plenty of video and audio bliss. At least get us good descriptions of events (not) like this one:

Witzel Wins Harvard Dharma Debate
IRFAN has obtained an exact transcription from video of the event.
See? The sheer power of good data and intrepid photo/audio journalism!

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby nachiket » 21 Nov 2019 06:56

UlanBatori wrote:The Hindi textbook said that Shivaji's soldiers brought him the bibi & beti of a defeated (dead) Islamic invader in one of those shoulder-carried containers {to serve as Advisors, I suppose}. Shivaji chided his soldiers, and ordered them ( I mean the BB& Beti) rehabilitated with H&D {in high positions in the Mumbai film industry}, and apologized to them for his soldier's misunderstanding of his standards of conduct. And Advisors.

OT but it was neither the biwi nor the beti but the Bahu of the Subedar of Kalyan (who had been killed in battle against Shivaji's army) who was brought before Shivaji (and sent back with her H&D intact).

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vishvak » 21 Nov 2019 09:47

UlanBatori wrote:^^My SeeAyyeh contacts tell me that videography is restricted by Rutgers at the above event. Free Expression/ Academic Phreedom in action, Rutgers ishtyle :roll: . No enterprising You-Tubers/Twits there, hain? Hope to see plenty of video and audio bliss. At least get us good descriptions of events (not) like this one:

Witzel Wins Harvard Dharma Debate
IRFAN has obtained an exact transcription from video of the event.
See? The sheer power of good data and intrepid photo/audio journalism!

How much of that would be fair and free since it was about dharma debate?!

Something i came across, read it full
What lay beneath
Another point - Secrets Of The Shrine
Recently, one evening, when the ASI official was reading out the list of the day's finds, the nominee of one litigant objected to the ASI saying "terracotta human figurine"."To say 'human' is to interpret the artefact, which is not your job," was the objection. "You should only say 'figurine'."

This after all hard work, how will money poured in asi will help if interpretation is done is only some ways avoid other ways and so on.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 21 Nov 2019 14:16

https://twitter.com/PrashantKishor/stat ... 7784132608
Prashant Kishor @PrashantKishor

15 plus states with more than 55% of India’s population have non-BJP Chief Ministers. Wonder how many of them are consulted and are on-board for NRC in their respective states!!


Another bit on Maha ..
https://twitter.com/IndiaToday/status/1 ... 0467936256
India Today @IndiaToday

#MahaMess | Sonia Gandhi gives nod to alliance with Shiv Sena; Maharashtra deal finally sealed?
Watch #TTP with @PreetiChoudhry : https://bit.ly/2KDOWH6
After weighing carefully the pros and cons, Matashree has given permission to for an alliance with Matoshree.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby SPattath » 21 Nov 2019 14:26

sivab wrote:Samskritha Bharati is not RSS, never was.

Samskritha Bharati is RSS affiliated organization. Anybody is sangh can have an opinion, however only the Sahkaryavah or PP Sarsanghachalak represents the official position of the Sangh.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 21 Nov 2019 14:29

Embedded video ..
https://twitter.com/AhmAsmiYodha/status ... 5802285056
The Activist, #JaiShriRam @AhmAsmiYodha

New #ChiefJustice wanted his mother to witness his swearing in ceremony

His mother attended the event on stretcher

He touched her feet before taking oath

#UrbanNaxals will have a hard time swallowing it

Somebody speculating about the impact on Assam of a countrywide NRC.
https://twitter.com/VoiceOfAxom/status/ ... 6178170880
Voice of Assam
@VoiceOfAxom
Nationwide NRC will be implemented and NRC process will be repeated along with Nationwide NRC: Amit Shah

That's means cut off date of NRC in Assam will be the same as National NRC cut off date, that is, 1951.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 21 Nov 2019 18:06

https://twitter.com/CNNnews18/status/11 ... 4049963010
News18 @CNNnews18

#NewsAlert – Congress has insisted that the new alliance should stress on the word – secular. There should be no communal agenda. Shiv Sena has told NCP and Congress that it is a true liberal party: Sources.

#MahaStandOff

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby UlanBatori » 21 Nov 2019 18:35

^They used to beat up and rob Malayali and Tamizhan residents of Mumbai regardless of caste, creed or gender so I agree, they are truly Secular. Like the New York subway muggers. Perfect fit with the Con party too.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 21 Nov 2019 19:23

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ShyamSP » 21 Nov 2019 19:57

SPattath wrote:
sivab wrote:Samskritha Bharati is not RSS, never was.

Samskritha Bharati is RSS affiliated organization. Anybody is sangh can have an opinion, however only the Sahkaryavah or PP Sarsanghachalak represents the official position of the Sangh.


You can check a recent talk on Srijan on subject of RSS
RSS: Myth Vs Reality | Ratan Sharda | Philosophy And Ideology Of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3iMPr9izs8

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rony » 21 Nov 2019 20:25

Shiv Sena accepts Sharad-Sonia’s secularism clause. Goes all out against the government in the JNU case
The point of contention between Shiv Sena and NCP was the use of the word- Secularism in the alliance’s Common Minimum Programme (CMP). Shiv Sena asked for a change in the wording, on which an NCP leader suggested the use of the “…will adhere to Preamble of Indian Constitution” instead of Secularism, to which all the parties agreed. But after a few hours, Sanjay Raut agreed to endorse the word Secularism too.

The party has also supported the JNU protestors. Sena’s spokesperson slammed the Police and paramilitary action against the students, and also condemned the fees hike.

As per the agenda of Common Minimum Programme (CMP) of the coalition, Shiv Sena has also given up on the demand to award Bharat Ratna to Veer Savarkar.

By compromising on both ideological issues on which Bal Thackeray popularized Shiv Sena among the common people of Maharashtra, the party has dug its own grave. Aditya Thackeray might become Chief Minister of the state for the next few years, but, by the next election, there will be no Shiv Sena for sure.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sudarshan » 21 Nov 2019 21:03

So the Shiv Sena has converted for the sake of a rice bag (that rice bag of course being Aditya Thakrey) and is now displaying all the zeal of the new convert in dissing everything it stood for earlier and praising the new paradigm. What a fall!

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ArjunPandit » 21 Nov 2019 21:10

Now bjp can finish them off by giving bharat ratna to savarkar

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 21 Nov 2019 21:13

ArjunPandit wrote:Now bjp can finish them off by giving bharat ratna to savarkar
Not the easy way ...

Introduce a bill in the Maha assembly to "recommend" Bharat Ratna for Savarkar and let the Sena MLAs vote it down. After enough ruckus has been generates then only should Modi&co. should grant Bharat Ratna with full fanfare.

Better, start padyatra/rallies across Maha to pressure the newly minted Maha CM to ask the GOI to grant BT to Savarkar. Also to force Sena/CON/NCP MLAs to support the demand or shoot it down in their constituencies. I am betting that apart from Sena MLAs quite a few NCP/CON MLAs too could be put under pressure.

Such opportunistic to re-define state politics are rare. Hopefully BJP leverages it to the hilt.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Karan M » 21 Nov 2019 21:32

A lot of claims were made about how BJP would do uber chankian stuff and take control of MP and Rajasthan. It hasn't. Both states in INC kitty refilling its treasury and making INC-mukt bharat a remote possibility. Now its losing Maharashtra and similar back-slapping on social media by BJP supporters mocking the SS-NCP-INC setup while all 3 actors thrash out the details.

Sometimes I think BJP supporters are caught up in their own echo-chamber. No offence. The loss of Maharashtra is a very big deal.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ArjunPandit » 21 Nov 2019 21:34

^^yes.good articulation sir....ss has done the ultimate political suicide..the only casualty i find in the fight is the hindutva cause. In the end SS like elements are needed to keep peacefuls peaceful. The only way forward is selectively coopting such elements and politically eliminating the ricebags

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Sachin » 21 Nov 2019 21:40

Karan M wrote:A lot of claims were made about how BJP would do uber chankian stuff and take control of MP and Rajasthan.

The fact that Amit Shah & Co did not try hard to retain MH also gives an indication that they have done their due diligence as well. From the way the BJP folks did the Article 370 revocation; I am pretty convinced that they know how to study & understand an issue and come up with some good plans. So with the same folks also involved in evaluating MH election results and BJP prospects; I don't think they have missed out on any thing. The decision taken to stick to their grounds would be based on the inputs they received. Let us wait and see; perhaps this may be a move to lose a battle to win the war. May be a lot of us have just assumed that BJP scores goals always and every time; that may not happen in reality.

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Postby Karan M » 21 Nov 2019 21:44

Or, they are caught between a rock and a hard place. Unable or unwilling to give in to Sena demands and trying to swing things their way. I found this part really problematic.

"15 plus states with more than 55% of India’s population have non-BJP Chief Ministers. Wonder how many of them are consulted and are on-board for NRC in their respective states!!"

This is becoming an issue for the BJP. They have lost some of their most important states and we keep believing in omnipotence of AS and co.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ShyamSP » 21 Nov 2019 21:55

Karan M wrote:A lot of claims were made about how BJP would do uber chankian stuff and take control of MP and Rajasthan. It hasn't. Both states in INC kitty refilling its treasury and making INC-mukt bharat a remote possibility. Now its losing Maharashtra and similar back-slapping on social media by BJP supporters mocking the SS-NCP-INC setup while all 3 actors thrash out the details.

Sometimes I think BJP supporters are caught up in their own echo-chamber. No offence. The loss of Maharashtra is a very big deal.


Some are celebrating BJP's Congress style managing locals with same evil central tactics and using agencies (ED/CBI/EC/etc) and collaborating with anti-Hindu elements as Chankian. INC slowly lost as they centralized more and dictates coming from family coterie and local parties emerged as alternatives. Now Hindus are losing distributed nature of power centers and they are being consolidated as BJP as only savior and losing any other alternative political support systems across regions.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 21 Nov 2019 21:59

Assuming Shah may have misread the ground situation, what about Modi? Is he not worried by the latest turn of events? So why did he also agree to let Sena go even if Shah got it wrong?

Modi/Shah are on the same page as far as the political situation is concerned. They have something in mind when they have voluntarily vacated the field to sit on the sidelines. That they have voluntarily vacated the field is without doubt.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 21 Nov 2019 22:06

https://twitter.com/CNNnews18/status/11 ... 5594151936
News18 @CNNnews18

#NewsAlert - Pragya Singh Thakur made part of Rajnath Singh-led defence ministry panel.

Hmm ... this is prime bait for liberandus.

Reactions have started flowing in ... First one that I came across ... I am sure we would have the leading Liberandus commenting too.
https://twitter.com/kamaljitsandhu/stat ... 1344764930
kamaljit sandhu @kamaljitsandhu

In another first, terror accused BJP MP Sadhvi Pragya nominated to defence committee.
Well done democracy.

BJP MP Pragya Singh Thakur nominated to the Parliamentary Consultative Committee of the Ministry of Defence-
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ArjunPandit » 21 Nov 2019 22:06

^^valid point Karan, no one is denying it's a set back in short term. Both from the perspectives of
1. weakening the BIF eco system. Note the states out of BJP's control: Raj, Mah, MP, all three are staunch hindi heartlands (not necessarily BJP).
2. Monetary funding: While BJP in center will not be wholly dependent on the coffers of these states, but still it matters ...
In the end, ABV was sunk by smugness too

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 21 Nov 2019 22:32

https://twitter.com/CNNnews18/status/11 ... 2730527749
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#Alert – Cong to climb down from using the word - ‘secular’ in their bid to form govt in Maharashtra with Shiv Sena. Congress says that the Maharashtra govt will abide by the spirit & preamble of the Constitution: Sources.
Some later reports seem to suggest that Sena has now agreed to include the world "secular" in the CMP.

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Will pappu @RahulGandhi & liberal gang who r praising SS; support this demand of their new ally shivsena?

SS MP rajendra gavit ji, 'today' requested goi to give bharat ratna to veer savarkar ji to increase prestige of this award.

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Prithviraj after Cong-NCP meet:
"Had a good meeting. Now we'll leave for airport where we'll have meeting. Then we'll leave for Mumbai. After meeting on plane, we'll have meeting after reaching. Then will decide on date for final meeting on when to meet regarding govt formation."

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Sanju » 22 Nov 2019 00:12

If recent history (last 5 years) is any indication, I believe that the events in Maharashtra have been gamed by the BJP leadership and the pros and cons of the situation taken into account. Politics is a long drawn out race rather than a sprint.

Even though I trust the BJP leadership in their strategy, there is a definite sense of unease at the current turn of events. One look at the States bordering the Paxis tells us that every state on the West with the exception of Gujarat seems to be out of BJP's hands.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ArjunPandit » 22 Nov 2019 00:17

I would not be worried too much about Punjab as it is in better hands than akalis. Capt may not be the most honest guy, but he's better than akalis even after considering his paki mistress

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Sanju » 22 Nov 2019 00:47

I hold the Capt. in high regards, my concern is for the ecosystem and the other states.

In other news:
Apologies in advance if this has been posted earlier.

Takedown of Owaise by Prince Tucy

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KL Dubey » 22 Nov 2019 01:16

Karan M wrote:A lot of claims were made about how BJP would do uber chankian stuff and take control of MP and Rajasthan. It hasn't. Both states in INC kitty refilling its treasury and making INC-mukt bharat a remote possibility. Now its losing Maharashtra and similar back-slapping on social media by BJP supporters mocking the SS-NCP-INC setup while all 3 actors thrash out the details.

Sometimes I think BJP supporters are caught up in their own echo-chamber. No offence. The loss of Maharashtra is a very big deal.


Some people (and media) might have got too excited, but as far as I am concerned MP and RJ were simple two-sided contests...the BJP lost their incumbent goremint, and must respect the electoral mandate.

KA is a different story, where the Congis were voted out but tried to stay in power by manipulating a JDS puppet goremint/CM. In that case, the BJP certainly worked to topple it and have succeeded. Now even JDS says they will back BJP in the event of a bypoll setback.

MH is a yet another different ball game. Multicornered politics with a motley cast of characters. Things are not what they seem, and there are background games that have been played. As for the result, the electoral mandate was still with the BJP-SS alliance. The clarity of BJP's stand after the SS tantrums is a clear indication that the party was prepared for this drama beforehand. That said, one similarity with KA is that that a party with barely 19% of seats is trying to form goremint with support of UPA which also has only 34% seats (i.e. they were hardly the voters' choice either). If this goremint forms at all, I doubt it will end well.
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