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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Tanaji » 29 Nov 2019 16:48

Raut is claiming he will repeat the Aghadi in Goa as well given that he has met 3 MLAs. Not sure how he thinks he will pull it iff...

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Postby pankajs » 29 Nov 2019 17:44

Raut/Sena are getting aggressive on Bullet train/Refinery/Goa/Police case against DF to build pressure on Modi for the time when Uddhav goes to Delhi to get additional funds to loot.

Theek hai.

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Not surprising .. given that Sena was willing to dilute everything for power.

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Postby pankajs » 29 Nov 2019 18:07

WATCH the whole embedded video ... Sena on NDTV on "Secularism, Hindutva and Hindu Rashtra" on sickular's fav channel. In Hinthi so Sena cannot dodge but will set the cat amongst the sickular pigeons.

Hopefully, NDTV will keep inviting Sena for more such talks.

https://twitter.com/ndtv/status/1200104424305283072
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Watch: "Secularism, Hindutva and Hindu Rashtra are all the same," says Sanjay Gupta, Shiv Sena Spokesperson on what the common minimum programme announced by the Maha Vikas Aghadi. @OnRealityCheck
I don't mind Sena taking this line .. It is the RSS line and if it can make Sonia/CON & sickular fall in line ... bhell more pawar to it!

If that is the plan of Sena all along, bhell, I will request Moti jee to extend all support Sena to for the next 5 years. If Sena can do what Modi could not we will have another Hindtuva pole in India ...only if wishes could be horses.

Mean-e-while
https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1200265744426029056
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RJD Rajya Sabha MP Manoj Jha has given Zero Hour Notice over the need to call a dedicated session 'to discuss the life and values of Gandhi Ji and teach the same to the members of Parliament'. (file pic)

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Agasthi » 29 Nov 2019 18:53

somdev wrote:Even Modiji seems to be happy with Uddhav becoming CM.... he definitely did not like the way DF played to hang on to power!

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/pm-modi-congratulates-uddhav-thackeray-confident-he-will-work-diligently-2140356


Moving forward all regional parties will have a say in national politics. SS has shed the vestiges of being a 'number contributor' to NDA and is more assertive on identity politics (primarily marathi manoos). Similar forces will emerge or are emerging elsewhere to counter hegemonic nationalist parties. This is good in a sense there will be further decentralisation of polity to state/region level in Indian union. Odhisa, Bengal, Maharashtra, TN are some of the front runner states which have paved the path. Garga Chatterjee is building up a SS like narrative in West Bengal to converge sub nationalistic sentiment. He has not yet joined the political mainstream. Bengal being a border state and Bengali as a language has a very rich literary tradition and identity that has immensely contributed and influenced India's independence movement. It has been a prime motivator for freedom movement in former East Bengal/Bangladesh is being cited as a galavanising force to break free from the hegemonic grip of polity driven by primarily Hindi heartland states (in Garga's words 'Hindu-Hindi-Hindusthan' agenda). There are many takers for Garga Chatterjee particularly the youth of Bengal ... he is pretty much emulating Balasaheb's model of 60s and sprinkling it with secularism of Uddhavji :)


Somdev, Can you please explain this? What freedom movement in former East Bengal? And, freedom from whom? The last time I checked the only freedom they wanted is to kill and maim Bengali Hindus at leisure. I was just reading articles on various anti-hindu pogroms in East Bengal/Bangladesh (quite horrific to read them) and am trying to understand why bengali hindus like Garge Chatterjee or yourself would seek or receive inspiration from a culture that loathes you.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby A_Gupta » 29 Nov 2019 19:54

One of my favorite readings on Gandhi: (pdf) An Atheist with Gandhi
https://www.mkgandhi.org/ebks/an_atheist.pdf

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 29 Nov 2019 20:23

https://twitter.com/Dev_Fadnavis/status ... 1817558016
Devendra Fadnavis @Dev_Fadnavis

In the first Cabinet Meeting of new government, yesterday, they chose to discuss how to prove majority secretly, instead of discussing on how assistance & relief can be given to farmers suffering from unseasonal rains.
If this government has majority...
.. then why are they secretly calling the house?
Why efforts to change the Pro-tem Speaker, going against the rules? Why still doubt your own MLAs so much?
Why are they still hiding them?
On simple arithmetic the Sena alliance is well over the half way mark. Folks .. further confirmation that all in NOT bhell in Pawarful family. AP was restrained from taking oath as D-CM before the floor test. BJP did land serious blows to Pawarful. This has not been a one sided match nor a match fixing between BJP/NCP or SP/AP either. We are still discovering the shape/form of the jolt that NCP has suffered.

OTOH, if the risk lies somewhere else, however unlikely, then the game is even more interesting.
When BJP has already announced to sit in the opposition and MahaVikas Aaghadi has made so many claims that they have full majority, that too exhibiting in different ways, why this secrecy and fear?

Maharashtra wants these answers!

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 29 Nov 2019 20:30

Sena not green enough .. responding to Sena spokies comments on NDTV posted a while back.

https://twitter.com/asadowaisi/status/1 ... 5717905408
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Arre @OfficeofUT it isn’t a philosophical question that requires deep meditation. It’s a bad look to ask meanings of words from your own Common Minimum Program. Anyway, take some gyan. It means:
-No Hindu Rashtra
-No discrimination between faiths

Samjhey?
Just so there is no confusion, I am happy with Sena comments and hope they stay with it.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sanjayc » 29 Nov 2019 20:37

Agasthi wrote:Somdev, Can you please explain this? What freedom movement in former East Bengal? And, freedom from whom? The last time I checked the only freedom they wanted is to kill and maim Bengali Hindus at leisure. I was just reading articles on various anti-hindu pogroms in East Bengal/Bangladesh (quite horrific to read them) and am trying to understand why bengali hindus like Garge Chatterjee or yourself would seek or receive inspiration from a culture that loathes you.


This is common behaviour among all persecuted / traumatized people. They are terrified and seek safety by sucking up to the oppressor and criticizing their own people. Kashmiri Pandits do the same (Nehru being the prime example). Same with many Punjabi Refugees who fled to India (Kuldip Nair, Khushwant Singh, etc.) One Punjabi family I know which fled to India in 1947 chose to give Muslim names to their newborns as a safety measure

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ldev » 29 Nov 2019 20:46

AFAIK, Bal Thackeray's sister Sudha married B R Sule who was MD of Mahindra and Mahindra and also Chairman of Sony India. They got broadcast rights to IPL matches and he got a 10% stake in those rights. Their son Sadanand Sule married Supriya Pawar, daughter of Sharad Pawar in 1991. So while in public the Pawars and Thackerays may be adversaries at a family level they are related via marriage. When Supriya Sule was first nominated for the Rajya Sabha as a NCP candidate by her father Sharad Pawar in 2006, Bal Thackeray persuaded the BJP to not put up a opposition candidate against her so she would get in un-opposed.

Did Sharad Pawar who was BCCI President then help his daughter's in-laws get those IPL broadcast rights? That 10% stake has been inherited by BR Sule's son, Sharad Pawar's son in law. Was Ajit Pawar persuaded to go back by his cousin and uncle as otherwise it would destroy the family relationship between the Pawars and Thackerays?
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ricky_v » 29 Nov 2019 20:49

Inhabitants of tier 1 cities are pure cancer; they have the correct amount of social media cluelessness, impotent rage venting, inexact event recollection, stand up comic cum and an inexplicable itch to park their asholes in every business big or small.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Karthik S » 29 Nov 2019 21:50

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We expected so much from the nationalist BJP govt when it came to power, but it's been six years and they haven't done anything. So much of our culture and heritage lies in utter neglect. In fact, the Congress was better because at least they didn't interfere: Dr KK Muhammed.


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We are against forced conversion, not conversion per se. No one has an issue with voluntary conversion. It happens also in Hinduism - Vaishnavite to Shaivite sects, etc, replies
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Can any learned guru here explain what's conversion from Vaishnavite to Shaivite ? Haven't heard any "conversions" like that before.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Primus » 29 Nov 2019 22:00

Rishi_Tri wrote:Mods can delete this post if it is too much..

Godse is deeply revered across India and across the world. People see through the fake propaganda that is carried out. Recently had this experience.

One of my superiors was congratulating after the general elections. Somehow the conversation meandered to Godse. I presented my position on Godse and the fact that kids in North India celebrated him. Also that, Godse survives in legend of India. Legends are stronger than any propaganda and in 100 years or so he shall become Mythical Hero.

My superior, coming from deepest south, responded by saying that the day Godse did what he did his grand mom, celebrated by lighting Diyas and distributing sweets in the whole village. Everyone rejoiced.

Godse lives in the hearts of people across length and breadth of the country. They know why he did what he did. What Godse stood for can only be harnessed by someone like Sadhvi who went through an experience that almost none has gone through. It remains to be seen if she can harness unbound energy that he represents and get propelled to unthought of places.


This is a couple of years old, but still makes for a must-watch video. A young Hindi poet speaks eloquently on a subject that would be have been absolutely impossible in the UPA era. It is true that the heartland feels for Godse much more than we 'westernized' people realize. I believe that despite all the efforts to the contrary, the young Hindu is finally waking up slowly and realizing he's been drinking the Congress Koolaid all these years.

If you have not read Godse's own account of 'Why I Killed the Mahatma" I would highly recommend it. I believe it is available as a free pdf down somewhere.


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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sudarshan » 29 Nov 2019 22:20

Karthik S wrote:Can any learned guru here explain what's conversion from Vaishnavite to Shaivite ? Haven't heard any "conversions" like that before.


Neither learned nor a guru, but the statement seems asinine to me. Maybe the guy is talking about what happens in inter-sect marriages - sometimes the girl (or guy) has no objections with going with Shiva instead of Vishnu, or vice-versa. But that is hardly "conversion."

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sudarshan » 29 Nov 2019 22:38

UlanBatori wrote:Get a mirror, open your eyes and see if you can look yourself in the eye and say:

I AM QUALIFIED TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON MOHANDAS KARAMCHAND GANDHI

Oh! And pls remember to get a BandAid and splints ready to reattach your nose as it breaks against the mirror.


No offence to UB, but I've been thinking about this, the above principle kept bothering me.

This "don't judge unless you're qualified" is, it seems to me, an x-tian principle - beam in the eye vs. mote, he who is without sin casting the first stone, etc. In Hinduism, ordinary folks have always delighted in intellectual debates, where we judge all and sundry, sparing none - Krishna and Rama, Bhishma and Drona, Duryodhana and Yudhishtra and Karna. Do we think about "are we qualified?"

If the actions of somebody affect you (and this effect could be as part of its overall effect on posterity), then you have the right to judge that action. But you do have the responsibility to judge fairly, with full possession of all the available facts, which you also have a duty to evaluate impartially. If enough facts are not available, *then* you withhold judgment.

Fair enough? In effect, everybody has the right to judge everybody else, since all our actions affect everybody else. Do you have the right to pass and execute a sentence? Probably not (unless you are in a qualified position of authority), although in the extreme case, you can inflict a "shaap," regardless of your qualifications vs. the qualifications of the perpetrator. Vishnu Himself has been cursed several times. If the curse was legitimate, He accepted it.

In fact, folks were frequently admonished (Dhritarashtra for instance) with "think of how posterity will judge your actions." So why should Gandhi be spared the judgment?

So this "don't pass judgment unless you are fully qualified" seems like a canard to me. Last from me on this OT issue in this thread.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby CRamS » 29 Nov 2019 22:52

Tanaji wrote:Raut is claiming he will repeat the Aghadi in Goa as well given that he has met 3 MLAs. Not sure how he thinks he will pull it iff...


I saw that. Where from does this guy derive so much arrogance and why does he have so much disdain for BJP? From my reading it appears that somewhere they felt that being a junior partner to BJP dilutes them and in due course maybe become irrelevant. There are a couple of questions on my mind:

1. If Hinduthva was the main common plank between SS and BJP, then junior or senior partner how does it matter?

2. If SS was worried about losing their unique footprint, i.e., Maratha pride and regional aspirations, I doubt BJP would not have agreed to that. ModiJi and top BJP leaders are core desh Bhakt at heart and respect every honest HInduthvadi, Tamil or Telugu or Maratha.

3. Finally, unless SS leaders like have zero IQ, I don't understand how they can have their aspirations met by being Lorded over by those who coined the narrative of "Hindu terror" and "Hindu terror bigger threat than Paki & Islamist terror"?

4. To get a measure how ashamed an average SS cadre ought to be by the betrayal of their leadership, please see this disgusting picture of Thackeray Jr. bending over backwards invite Queen Madam to Thackeray Sr.'s coronation, and she said kiss my ass

http://static.sify.com/cms/image/aditya ... aihehd.jpg

5. I posit that part of BJP's failed gambit to retain power was because they could not engineer a sufficient # of SS MLAs to their fold after the sell out by the leadership. This is shocking to me. Are the SS cadres such eunuchs that the splendor of their leader occupying the chair of CM trumps their self respect? Or have they developed Stockholm syndrome that they fell in love with their very tormentors?

Jharkand will probably tell is if BJP Vs rest is a formula that can bring about the downfall of BJP and with it any sense of Hindu revival. Just remember, 26/11 anniversary has just passed by and here are Hindus backstabbing each other for power at the alter of an Italian Christian.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 29 Nov 2019 23:01

https://twitter.com/timesofindia/status ... 3305836545
Times of India @timesofindia

"I have ordered to stop the work of Aarey metro car shed project today. Metro work will not stop but till next decision, not a single leaf of Aarey will be cut," says #Maharashtra CM #UddhavThackeray
Weren't what was need to be cut has been cut and Maha Gov under DF given an undertaking in no further cut?

To me, this looks like posturing. This is serious. The first part says he has stopped the car shed construction. I missed it when I read it first.

https://twitter.com/Dev_Fadnavis/status ... 5017021441
Devendra Fadnavis @Dev_Fadnavis

It’s unfortunate that State Government stayed Aarey Metro CarShed work in spite of Hon Supreme Court & Hon High Court orders.

This shows State Government is not serious about Mumbai Infrastructure projects!

And ultimate sufferer is common Mumbaikar only !
Devendra Fadnavis @Dev_Fadnavis

Japan’s JICA had funded ₹15,000crore for this Metro project on nominal interest rates.

Such decisions will demotivate investors to come forward in future and all infra projects will get stalled which were already delayed for so long in previous 15 year rule.

#SaveMetroSaveMumbai

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 29 Nov 2019 23:16

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 270170.cms
Nationalist Congress Party (NCP) MLA Dilip Walse Patil appointed as protem speaker of the state assembly.
Looks like BJP has cleared the way for the Sena alliance to have its say in such matters. Trust vote should not be an issue now with BJP content to be on the sidelines.
PM Modi and Maharashtra CM Uddhav are like brothers: Sena

Extending an olive branch, the Shiv Sena said that Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Maharashtra chief minister Uddhav Thackeray are like 'brothers' though the Sena-Bharatiya Janata Party may have parted ways, here on Friday. "The Shiv Sena-BJP have gone different ways in Maharashtra politics, but Modi-Thackeray's relations are 'like brothers'... It's the responsibility of the Prime Minister to accommodate his young brother who is Maharashtra CM," said the Sena in edits in the party mouthpieces, "Saamana" and "Dopahar Ka Saamana".
Preparation for Delhi trip has already started with a peal for accommodation. I am sure Modi/Shah will be warm towards their younger brother.
Ajit Pawar will be given job of deputy CM after floor test

Speculation about whether Ajit Pawar would raise a banner of revolt again was set to rest when it was made clear on Thursday that he would be made deputy CM after the floor test. "It's a fact that originally it was proposed to induct Ajit as deputy CM. Later it was felt that he should be inducted during the cabinet expansion," an NCP politician said.
All izz not bhell in Pawarful family. Every new item adds weight to that position.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby somdev » 29 Nov 2019 23:28

Agasthi wrote:
somdev wrote:Even Modiji seems to be happy with Uddhav becoming CM.... he definitely did not like the way DF played to hang on to power!

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/pm-modi-congratulates-uddhav-thackeray-confident-he-will-work-diligently-2140356


Moving forward all regional parties will have a say in national politics. SS has shed the vestiges of being a 'number contributor' to NDA and is more assertive on identity politics (primarily marathi manoos). Similar forces will emerge or are emerging elsewhere to counter hegemonic nationalist parties. This is good in a sense there will be further decentralisation of polity to state/region level in Indian union. Odhisa, Bengal, Maharashtra, TN are some of the front runner states which have paved the path. Garga Chatterjee is building up a SS like narrative in West Bengal to converge sub nationalistic sentiment. He has not yet joined the political mainstream. Bengal being a border state and Bengali as a language has a very rich literary tradition and identity that has immensely contributed and influenced India's independence movement. It has been a prime motivator for freedom movement in former East Bengal/Bangladesh is being cited as a galavanising force to break free from the hegemonic grip of polity driven by primarily Hindi heartland states (in Garga's words 'Hindu-Hindi-Hindusthan' agenda). There are many takers for Garga Chatterjee particularly the youth of Bengal ... he is pretty much emulating Balasaheb's model of 60s and sprinkling it with secularism of Uddhavji :)


Somdev, Can you please explain this? What freedom movement in former East Bengal? And, freedom from whom? The last time I checked the only freedom they wanted is to kill and maim Bengali Hindus at leisure. I was just reading articles on various anti-hindu pogroms in East Bengal/Bangladesh (quite horrific to read them) and am trying to understand why bengali hindus like Garge Chatterjee or yourself would seek or receive inspiration from a culture that loathes you.


It is pretty easy to understand. Pre-1947, the East Bengal Muslim League elite class leaders like Dhaka Nawab family (Punjabi-Kashmiri origin), Suhrawardy (Urdu speaking North Indian/Iranian origin) and their likes decided to join Pakistan without any mass movement or participation by Bengali speaking native Muslims of East Bengal. The vast majority of agrarian Bengali peasantry had no voice and say in that decision making process. The pogrom/genocide on Hindu Bengalis you talk about was mostly executed by a large number of Bihari Muslims already present in East Bengal (contiguous to North Bihar) and continued to migrate to East Bengal/East Pakistan after 1947 together with a miniscule minority of Urdu loving mixed ancestry Bengali collaborators a.k.a Razakars. By and large the vast number of Bengali Muslims (originally Buddhists and 'Kaibarta' Hindus - fishermen and land-tiller caste) were completely detached from this decision making and it was not a spontaneous mass movement.

The very same Bengali Muslim population suffered inhuman excesses (3 million butchered) during 1947 - 1971 at the hands of Urdu speaking Biharis and their West Pakistan masters. Only when there were attempts to subjugate their mother tongue Bangla and forcefully impose Urdu that the revolt happened that eventually led to creation of Bangladesh. If you consider West Bengal, Bangladesh, parts of Assam (Barak Valley), Tripura and other North Eastern States the total Bengali speaking mass (irrespective of religious affiliation) is around 30 - 32 crores. In 1947, Netaji Subhas Chanda Bose's elder brother Sarat Chandra Bose and grass-root Bengali leader Sher-e-Bangla AK Fazlul Haq had made a case for a separate Bengali nation for such a vast population!

Au contraire, Kazi Nazrul Islam the firebrand revolutionary poet and one of the greatest sons of Bengal was an ardent Maa Kali devotee and wrote many Shyama Sangeet ... such was the syncretic form of Bengali identity among the masses.

The Biharis and the Razakars are hated by all Bangladeshi Muslims even today and they are now at the receiving end. Some escaped to Karachi in 1971 only to be booted out by anti-Mohajir forces again. For more on Bengali linguistic nationalism please read the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_Movement_Day
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 29 Nov 2019 23:57

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After Accidental PM, now Sonia Gandhi come with new venture “Accidental CM”


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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rony » 30 Nov 2019 00:33

somdev wrote: SS has shed the vestiges of being a 'number contributor' to NDA and is more assertive on identity politics (primarily marathi manoos). Similar forces will emerge or are emerging elsewhere to counter hegemonic nationalist parties. This is good in a sense there will be further decentralisation of polity to state/region level in Indian union.


Along with casteism, such sub nationalism is the reason for Hindus disunity with the result that national integrity loses and Hindus suffer ultimately.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rony » 30 Nov 2019 00:46

Pawar wanted union agriculture ministry for his daughter Supriya Sule, Fadnavis'' removal; Modi didn''t budge

To support the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) in forming the government in Maharashtra, Nationalist Congress Party (NCP) chief Sharad Pawar had placed two conditions before the saffron party.

First, he wanted the agriculture ministry for his daughter Supriya Sule, who is active at the Central level, and second, he wanted someone other than Devendra Fadnavis to become the Chief Minister of Maharashtra. However, Prime Minister Narendra Modi turned down both the demands.

Sources in the BJP told IANS that the party thought that if it decided to offer the agriculture ministry to the NCP, the Janata Dal United (JD-U), its ally from Bihar, will demand for the railway ministry. In this situation, despite having the mandate, the BJP would loose two big ministries.

As far as the second demand of Pawar is concerned, the sources said the party was never ready to replace Fadnavis as the Chief Minister, mainly because he successfully completed the five-year tenure without any controversies and allegations.

Apart from this, the party contested the elections with Fadnavis as the CM face and even the Prime Minister, while addressing the party workers from the BJP headquarters on October 24, had announced him as the Chief Minister. Hence, it was difficult for the BJP to accept this demand from the NCP supremo.

The sources said that Pawar had sent a message to the BJP, Modi and Home Minister Amit Shah expressing his demands. This was the reason why Pawar didn''t make any strong remark against the BJP after the results of the Maharashtra Assembly elections were out.

Since there were no positive signals from the BJP on his demands, the NCP chief had a 45-50-minute long meeting with Modi in the Parliament on November 20. But Modi didn''t agree to his demands during the meeting.

If sources are to be believed, Sharad Pawar was hoping that the BJP will agree to his demands as it was left reeling in the state after the Shiv Sena broke the alliance, but this didn''t happen. Finally, he decided to form the government in alliance with the Shiv Sena and the Congress.

Sharad Pawar was aware that the move will be beneficial for him because his decision to side with the Sena will earn him the title of ''modern day Chanakya'', while had he gone with the BJP, he would have got a say in the Central government too.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rony » 30 Nov 2019 00:53

pankajs wrote:
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Not surprising .. given that Sena was willing to dilute everything for power.


Muslims have very clear vision unlike Hindus. Inspite of many divisions within themselves, they display good strategic thinking unlike Hindus who fight in the name sub regionalism, caste, ego etc and lose the big picture.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Vips » 30 Nov 2019 01:26

Shiv Sonia Sena is finished. All BJP has to do is propogate the above line in its election pitch. Sonia Sena will not get even one third of its present seats in the next elections.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vishvak » 30 Nov 2019 02:34

Guess another syncretic (or what's the word) thing will emerge in Maharashtra and over time subsume (another fancy word) warring natives (not diversity in democracy) under some regional identity after some excuses are provided to enforce something (not victims' guilt or what s that called) - against target of subsuming and such.
Hindus suffer ultimately

Also definitely, strategically, Without complaining, etc are words suited for that line.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 30 Nov 2019 03:31

Rony wrote:Pawar wanted union agriculture ministry for his daughter Supriya Sule, Fadnavis'' removal; Modi didn''t budge

To support the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) in forming the government in Maharashtra, Nationalist Congress Party (NCP) chief Sharad Pawar had placed two conditions before the saffron party.

First, he wanted the agriculture ministry for his daughter Supriya Sule, who is active at the Central level, and second, he wanted someone other than Devendra Fadnavis to become the Chief Minister of Maharashtra. However, Prime Minister Narendra Modi turned down both the demands.

Sources in the BJP told IANS that the party thought that if it decided to offer the agriculture ministry to the NCP, the Janata Dal United (JD-U), its ally from Bihar, will demand for the railway ministry. In this situation, despite having the mandate, the BJP would loose two big ministries.

As far as the second demand of Pawar is concerned, the sources said the party was never ready to replace Fadnavis as the Chief Minister, mainly because he successfully completed the five-year tenure without any controversies and allegations.

Apart from this, the party contested the elections with Fadnavis as the CM face and even the Prime Minister, while addressing the party workers from the BJP headquarters on October 24, had announced him as the Chief Minister. Hence, it was difficult for the BJP to accept this demand from the NCP supremo.

The sources said that Pawar had sent a message to the BJP, Modi and Home Minister Amit Shah expressing his demands. This was the reason why Pawar didn''t make any strong remark against the BJP after the results of the Maharashtra Assembly elections were out.

Since there were no positive signals from the BJP on his demands, the NCP chief had a 45-50-minute long meeting with Modi in the Parliament on November 20. But Modi didn''t agree to his demands during the meeting.

If sources are to be believed, Sharad Pawar was hoping that the BJP will agree to his demands as it was left reeling in the state after the Shiv Sena broke the alliance, but this didn''t happen. Finally, he decided to form the government in alliance with the Shiv Sena and the Congress.

Sharad Pawar was aware that the move will be beneficial for him because his decision to side with the Sena will earn him the title of ''modern day Chanakya'', while had he gone with the BJP, he would have got a say in the Central government too.



from the many postings on SM, it may be a possibility that the SS, NCP and the congis had an understanding even before the recent elections.

pawar junior had approached UT mid term during the last govt to topple the fadnavis govt but UT chickened out.

The seeds to the current coup may well have been planted then. The surfacing of the dawood connections, the cases filed and publicly highlighted just before the elections are not mere coincidences. The BJP was surely aware of the impending game plan.

the agri ministry is a very huge ask. That's where people have made their heavy bucks and its a place from where even international markets can easily be manipulated as was being done earlier.

The Modi govt has maintained a very tight grip over it to prevent any scandals, as indeed they have over the railways' ministry which has led to guys like paswan and nitishwa chafing at the bit.

During Modi's first term, no one heard of dal or onions.

This time, unfortunately, due to the heavy and unseasonal rains, the onions have precipitated a crisis due to the destruction of onion crops in onion growing areas in multiple states. An act of god situation.

Anyone controlling the agri ministry could have created major havoc in the markets and cleaned up by the delayed release of domestic onion buffer stocks as also by slyly skewing onion imports too, as had been regularly done for both onions, as well as, rigging the pulses/dals supply-demand and production-import balance.

Ships fully laden with lakhs of tons of pulses would sit purposely idle at Indian ports without unloading their cargo so that prices could be rigged. All this was done by one puppet master who used to jack up international prices by making "innocuous" statements about the "anticipated" shortfall in the pulses/dal production in no less a place than in the parliament of India.

Known international middlemen, who would have already have purchased huge quantities of pulses/dals and would jack up their prices when asked to quote on tenders for import of these commodities into India.

With an assured market, these middlemen would buy low, sell high, pay commission, and laugh all the way to the bank.

Win win for some people and lose lose for us, the long suffering Indian consumers. This racket ran like clockwork almost every year.

No wonder some parties have been desperate since long to join the NDA and have been rightly rebuffed.

However this plays out, the shameful stain of the dawood nexus will follow many people to their graves and beyond, destroying in one go the decades of carefully nurtured stainless public reputations.

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Postby A_Gupta » 30 Nov 2019 05:15

‪Where is the Hindu Right Going? https://openthemagazine.com/cover-stori ... ght-going/ via @Openthemag‬

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rony » 30 Nov 2019 05:43

chetak wrote:from the many postings on SM, it may be a possibility that the SS, NCP and the congis had an understanding even before the recent elections.


They do. Below article alludes to that.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7724&start=4360#p2397589

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Postby Rony » 30 Nov 2019 05:53

A_Gupta wrote:‪Where is the Hindu Right Going? https://openthemagazine.com/cover-stori ... ght-going/ via @Openthemag‬


Rahul pandita quoting that Abhijit Iyer guy about "Hindu right". :lol: For a supposedly an article on Hindu right intellectuals, i would have thought he would have talked to at least Rajiv Malhotra or guys from OpIndia or Swarajya mag. But all we get is his views and that of that Iyer guy and nothing from the real Hindu right intellectuals.

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Postby CRamS » 30 Nov 2019 10:43

Some of these Kashmiri Pandits like Rahul Pandita, Aarti Singh Tikoo sometimes appear holier than though. This is just another BS article. The guys don't realize that Hindu right are rustic, English challenged, and maybe sometimes appear a tad nutty. But what distinguishes them is that they are patriotic sons-of-the-soul, authentic, and above all, do NOT seek white western approbation. This is what p!sses off elite like Rahul pandita who think white validation is the Gold standard. So India's actions in Kashmir are not validateed by whites so fault is with Hindu right. Give me a break,

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

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says an "honest" man who "presided" over a govt that was a criminal enterprise in all but name


this is what happens when you stop taking your meds :mrgreen:


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no time wasted.

and right on the money, as usual



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Sena, Con, Pawar share governing bodies of richest temples in Maharashtra Siddhi Vinayak, Pandharpur, Kolhapur

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Stalin had Trotsky killed; both were patriots

Eamon De Valera was responsible for Michael Collins death; Both were patriots

Mao had Liu Shaoqi killed; both were patriots

Godse killed Ghandy; both were patriots

History isn’t a binary equation
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

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Kerala Xian newspapers gloat about defanging of the Hindutva Tiger.
Thank God Balasaheb is not here to see this.

Headlines say " Congress-NCP binds Shiv Sena with Common Minimum Program. "



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Postby arshyam » 30 Nov 2019 13:57

That's really blatant, even if I don't know what the captions say. Not that I am complaining, :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Postby pankajs » 30 Nov 2019 14:07

Maharashtra is fascinating political experiment that keeps me interested.

https://twitter.com/iMac_too/status/1200608262317494272
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Supriya Sule 'rightful heir' to Sharad Pawar's 'great' legacy: Milind Deora
Where does that leave Ajit Pawar?

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As expected, Home & Finance will go to Pawar party. Kaka in the past never trusted Ajit with Home

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sajo » 30 Nov 2019 15:19

Uddhav Thackeray wins floor test in Maha Assembly with 169 votes.

Media portraying it as a dinosaur sized egg on Fadnavis' face.

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^^ :rotfl:

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BJP's Devendra Fadnavis in state assembly: This assembly session is not per rules.This session started without Vande Mataram, it is a violation of rule. #Maharashtra

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Kashi » 30 Nov 2019 15:56

sajo wrote:Uddhav Thackeray wins floor test in Maha Assembly with 169 votes.

Media portraying it as a dinosaur sized egg on Fadnavis' face.


It is a representation of the aspirations of Maha voters. The number of votes is more than the combined strength of the three parties (56+54+44=154).

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sajo » 30 Nov 2019 16:11

Kashi wrote:It is a representation of the aspirations of Maha voters. The number of votes is more than the combined strength of the three parties (56+54+44=154).


How? Aspiration was displayed as 105+56.. Unless I missed some sarcasm. I am willing to bet more than half of those 56 got elected purely because people believed they were voting for the existing Govt.


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