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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby g.sarkar » 11 Dec 2019 05:35

KJo wrote:Does CAB allow Pakistani Christians to get Indian citizenship too?

Yes. But I did not hear of the Ahmadiyyas as they are no longer Muslim and have become a minority community . I am sure they would like to return back to India. I have met some Pakistani Christians in America. They are helped by the church to come to the Khan land.
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 11 Dec 2019 05:38

OmkarC wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote:
From Wikipedia page on the bill:



What about those who entered recently due to persecution in recent years (from Jan 1, 2015 onwards..)


There will be a long and detailed verification process for all refugees in the minority category.

As always foreign muslims can apply for naturalization through normal channels and take their chances like everyone else.

CAB notwithstanding, nothing is guaranteed.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby OmkarC » 11 Dec 2019 07:57

chetak wrote:
OmkarC wrote:

What about those who entered recently due to persecution in recent years (from Jan 1, 2015 onwards..)


There will be a long and detailed verification process for all refugees in the minority category.

As always foreign muslims can apply for naturalization through normal channels and take their chances like everyone else.

CAB notwithstanding, nothing is guaranteed.



Not Muslims, the others.. why distinguish Hindus who have been persecuted recently from those who were persecuted earlier ?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 11 Dec 2019 10:34

g.sarkar wrote:
KJo wrote:Does CAB allow Pakistani Christians to get Indian citizenship too?

Yes. But I did not hear of the Ahmadiyyas as they are no longer Muslim and have become a minority community . I am sure they would like to return back to India. I have met some Pakistani Christians in America. They are helped by the church to come to the Khan land.
Gautam


The ahmadiyyas claim themselves as muslim and their practices and beliefs are overwhelmingly muslim.

they are approx 200 million strong world wide.

how do they become minority in pak where even shia are not considered muslim enough.

they convert others and believe that their way is the only way.

they can go to other islamic countries or fight for their own share in pakiland.

they cannot and should not be covered under the Indian CAB.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Sachin » 11 Dec 2019 10:57

Don't know about BJP itself, but Deccan Herald is confident that BJP confident of CAB passage in Rajya Sabha.

g.sarkar wrote: But I did not hear of the Ahmadiyyas as they are no longer Muslim and have become a minority community

chetak wrote:The ahmadiyyas claim themselves as muslim and their practices and beliefs are overwhelmingly muslim.

As some body already mentioned Shias, Ahmadiyyas, Rohingyas are Muslims but for other Muslims they are not Muslim enough. So it would be better for Muslims to sit around, discuss and sort out their issues. The conflicts between them cannot be attributed as one religion v/s another religion.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Vayutuvan » 11 Dec 2019 11:03

habal wrote:
What is the dems excuse ?


Rhodes scholar became prez and cheated on his SHQ. vindictive SHQ wanted to take vengeance but lost due to hubris.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 11 Dec 2019 11:05

OmkarC wrote:
chetak wrote:
There will be a long and detailed verification process for all refugees in the minority category.

As always foreign muslims can apply for naturalization through normal channels and take their chances like everyone else.

CAB notwithstanding, nothing is guaranteed.



Not Muslims, the others.. why distinguish Hindus who have been persecuted recently from those who were persecuted earlier ?

To prevent the system from being gamed the cutoff is suitable back dated.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 11 Dec 2019 11:11

https://twitter.com/PavanK_Varma/status ... 0209052674
Pavan K. Varma @PavanK_Varma

I urge Shri Nitish Kumar to reconsider support to the #CAB in the Rajya Sabha. The Bill is unconstitutional, discriminatory, and against the unity and harmony of the country, apart from being against the secular principles of the JDU. Gandhiji would have strongly disapproved it.

https://twitter.com/rahulroushan/status ... 9617843200
Rahul Roushan @rahulroushan

Gandhiji would have disapproved
1. Beef eating
2. Alcohol
3. Ambedkar
4. Sex (except as experiment)
5. Western clothes

Baaki ideas kab poore honge Gandhiji ke?

This is getting better!

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Vikas » 11 Dec 2019 11:11

Ahmadiyyas are considered bona-fide Muslims by GoI and hence not eligible for CAB.
We don't care how Pakhis discriminate between various Islamic sects inside Pakhistan.

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Postby Vikas » 11 Dec 2019 11:14

pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/PavanK_Varma/status/1204291790209052674
Pavan K. Varma @PavanK_Varma

I urge Shri Nitish Kumar to reconsider support to the #CAB in the Rajya Sabha. The Bill is unconstitutional, discriminatory, and against the unity and harmony of the country, apart from being against the secular principles of the JDU. Gandhiji would have strongly disapproved it.

https://twitter.com/rahulroushan/status ... 9617843200
Rahul Roushan @rahulroushan

Gandhiji would have disapproved
1. Beef eating
2. Alcohol
3. Ambedkar
4. Sex (except as experiment)
5. Western clothes

Baaki ideas kab poore honge Gandhiji ke?

This is getting better!


How do we know MKG would have approved or disapproved of any Govt action ? Hain Ji !
Would he have approved sleeping naked with young nubile girls in the name of experiment ?

Looten system is unravelling, one pillar at a time in front of our eyes.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 11 Dec 2019 11:16

https://twitter.com/pranasutra/status/1 ... 6866862080
Pranasutra @pranasutra

Statement issued by Veer Savarkar in reaction to the "Mountbatten Plan" in 1947.
Source: The Partition of India (1947) by G V Subba Rau

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vimal » 11 Dec 2019 11:17

Meanwhile:

USCIRF Raises Serious Concerns and Eyes Sanctions Recommendations for Citizenship (Amendment) Bill in India, Which Passed Lower House Today

Err.. Isn't uscirf an EJ institution many of whose members worship DT and secretly supported his travel ban on peaceful from entering Khanland?
If they are interested they should first grant citizenship to millions of peacefools from around the world.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Yagnasri » 11 Dec 2019 11:19

Every sect of Islam consider itself as Islamic only. As long as they follow Islam of their own version they can not say they are not Muslims.

This bill has much deeper ideological and policy implications in many areas. Very much similar to the Parliament unanimous resolution of entire state of J&K being part of India. Any one remembered or cared for it that till AS kicked a&& doing Art 370 debate and now with Indo-Afghan border statement? CAB is similar to that.

Lef-Lib (new word for Left Liberals) understood this better than mango BJP voters. Hence the rudali weepings.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 11 Dec 2019 11:33

https://twitter.com/ByRakeshSimha/statu ... 0380862464
Rakesh Krishnan Simha @ByRakeshSimha

In Bihar, Muslim Sheikhs erect a wall in the middle of a road to block Muslim Ansaris whom they consider lower caste. This is the religion that preaches universal brotherhood.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/m ... 2018-12-09
Muslims in this village divide road on caste lines

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 11 Dec 2019 11:36

CON is making history up as it goes ..

https://twitter.com/CNNnews18/status/12 ... 1039803392
News18 @CNNnews18

#NewsAlert – Home Minister is not aware of our history and nor has he read our constitution properly. I would like him to read it carefully. The division of India-Pakistan was not because of religion: Kapil Sibal.

#CitizenshipDebate

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Karthik S » 11 Dec 2019 11:46

Vikas wrote:Ahmadiyyas are considered bona-fide Muslims by GoI and hence not eligible for CAB.
We don't care how Pakhis discriminate between various Islamic sects inside Pakhistan.


Not just sects, don't sunni punjabis have a problem with pashtuns, sindhi sunnis as well?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 11 Dec 2019 11:57

Another rudali brigade, one that mocked the Sardar Patel statue in Gujarat is laid low.

The smell of the rudali's burning hair from you know where is overwhelming :mrgreen:

It may even be earning more than the taj mahal, a sickular favourite for obvious reasons


twitter

Statue of Unity surpasses daily average footfall at USA's Statue of Liberty.

On avg, it’s getting 15,000 visitors every day compared to just 10,000 at Statue of Liberty.

Where are internet economists now?




Statue of Unity surpasses daily average footfall at USA's Statue of Liberty



Statue of Unity surpasses daily average footfall at USA's Statue of Liberty

06 Dec 2019

The Statue of Unity is a statue of Vallabhbhai Patel, the first home minister of the country.

With a height of 182 metres, it is the world's tallest statue.


NEW DELHI : In just over a year of its unveiling, the Statue of Unity has surpassed the footfall at the 133-year-old Statue of Liberty in the US, with an average of over 15,000 tourists visiting the monument in Gujarat daily.

"With 74 per cent increase over the daily average of the first year, that is, November 1, 2018 to October 31, 2019, daily average of 15,036 is now registered in the first month of this second year.

"This has further increased to 22,430 on weekend days. The Statue of Liberty of New York, United States, attracts around 10,000 visitors a day!" a statement by Sardar Sarovar Narmada Nigam Ltd said.

The Statue of Unity is a statue of Vallabhbhai Patel, the first home minister of the country. With a height of 182 metres, it is the world's tallest statue.

It is located near the Sardar Sarovar Dam on the river Narmada in Kevadiya colony in Gujarat.

Designed by Indian sculptor Ram V Sutar, the project was first announced in 2010, and was finally unveiled on October 31 last year by Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

In the statement, Sardar Sarovar Narmada Nigam Ltd credited the rise in footfall at the monument to the addition of several new tourist attractions such as jungle safari, children's nutrition park, cactus garden, butterfly garden, ekta nursery, dino trail, river rafting, boating, alongside multiple budget accommodation options.

"These additional tourist attractions have led to a sharp increase in the daily tourists' footfall during November 2019," it said.

It also added that a total of 30,90,723 tourists have visited Kevadia till November 30 this year, generating a total income of ₹85.57 crore.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Prem Kumar » 11 Dec 2019 12:01

ShyamSP wrote:As it stands right now, the BJP has 83 MPs in the Rajya Sabha, while its NDA partners — All India Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam or AIADMK (11), Lok Janshakti Party or LJP (1), Republican Party of India (Athawale) or RPI(A) (1), Shiromani Akali Dal or SAD (3), JD(U) (6), Asom Gana Parishad or AGP (1), Bodoland People's Front or BPF (1), and Paattali Makkal Katchi or PMK (1) — take the total number to 108. Among non-NDA members which supported the Bill in the Lok Sabha are Biju Janata Dal or BJD (7), Shiv Sena (3), YSR Congress Party or YSRCP (2), and Telugu Desam Party or TDP (2).

Additionally, four of the six Independent MPs and three of the four nominated MPs are likely to support the Bill, which takes the number of those in favour of the bill, on paper, to 129. With 121 votes needed to pass the Bill in the house, which has an effective strength of 240, the BJP seems to have the support it needs.


If JD(U) & Shiv Sena backstab, BJP will be 1 short

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 11 Dec 2019 12:16

This is good .. and only going to get better.

https://twitter.com/AshishSinghLIVE/sta ... 4538157057
Ashish K Singh (ABP News) @AshishSinghLIVE

BREAKING @ABPNews - Cong leadership was deeply upset with Shiv Sena's support to CAB in LS yesterday, Party has clearly sent msg to Shiv Sena that if they do this, 4-5 Ministries to Cong won't matter - Sources

https://twitter.com/Abhina_Prakash/stat ... 8750806016
Abhinav Prakash @Abhina_Prakash

If Shia, Hazara and Ahmadiyas are so very unhappy in Pakistan then they must ask a separate homeland carved out of the Pakistan just like they did with India.

https://twitter.com/sushantsareen/statu ... 2182717442
sushant sareen @sushantsareen

For decades Islamofascists in Pakistan have bludgeoned non-Muslims. US & Europe didn't lift a little finger to save them from depredations of the Pakistani state & society. Now that India is offering the persecuted minorities some succor, India is the villain. Go figure it out

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby hanumadu » 11 Dec 2019 12:25

CAB moved in RS. Discussion on.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 11 Dec 2019 12:29

https://twitter.com/AnchorAnandN/status ... 5220656129
Anand Narasimhan @AnchorAnandN

Did you Know 4 Min in the Nehru Cabinet resigned over the Nehru Liaquat Pact
1. Dr. Syama Prasad Mookeejee, Min of Industries & Supplies
2. Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar, Minister of Law
3. K.C. Neogy Min of Relief & Rehabilitation
4. John Matthai, Minister of Finance

#CitizenshipDebate

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Karthik S » 11 Dec 2019 12:45

Prem Kumar wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:As it stands right now, the BJP has 83 MPs in the Rajya Sabha, while its NDA partners — All India Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam or AIADMK (11), Lok Janshakti Party or LJP (1), Republican Party of India (Athawale) or RPI(A) (1), Shiromani Akali Dal or SAD (3), JD(U) (6), Asom Gana Parishad or AGP (1), Bodoland People's Front or BPF (1), and Paattali Makkal Katchi or PMK (1) — take the total number to 108. Among non-NDA members which supported the Bill in the Lok Sabha are Biju Janata Dal or BJD (7), Shiv Sena (3), YSR Congress Party or YSRCP (2), and Telugu Desam Party or TDP (2).

Additionally, four of the six Independent MPs and three of the four nominated MPs are likely to support the Bill, which takes the number of those in favour of the bill, on paper, to 129. With 121 votes needed to pass the Bill in the house, which has an effective strength of 240, the BJP seems to have the support it needs.


If JD(U) & Shiv Sena backstab, BJP will be 1 short


Should they walk out?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sum » 11 Dec 2019 12:46

pankajs wrote:CON is making history up as it goes ..

https://twitter.com/CNNnews18/status/12 ... 1039803392
News18 @CNNnews18

#NewsAlert – Home Minister is not aware of our history and nor has he read our constitution properly. I would like him to read it carefully. The division of India-Pakistan was not because of religion: Kapil Sibal.

#CitizenshipDebate

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sudarshan » 11 Dec 2019 12:56

pankajs wrote:CON is making history up as it goes ..

https://twitter.com/CNNnews18/status/12 ... 1039803392


Shri Sibal is unaware of current affairs, nor has he read the text of the CAB properly. I urge him to read the text. CAB is not about religion.


Brablem isholved :).

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rsatchi » 11 Dec 2019 12:59

CAB
In all the brouhaha and the usual 'Galate' as we say in kannnada, one thing that thing that is being missed:
Why the liberandus want 'peaceful' not be excluded. :((
My take is if not in two years but in the next decade there is going to be an implosion in napak due to various reasons.
That would lead to a mass migration of the 'unwashed Abduls' and will be in only one direction,
The 'Troika' know about this and are forwarding planning to stop them at the gates. :D
And the liberandus also know and want to maintain and open gate!!
Beedi 'gussbhaiti' is just a smoke screen??
Any take on this by the 'Strategic Experts' on the forum please :?:

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 11 Dec 2019 13:12

twitter


We live in a country where there is more outrage over BJP fulfilling promises mentioned in it's manifesto like NRC, CAB, scrapping Art370, etc than Congress forgetting their promises like loan waiver, unemployment allowance, etc.

Really Fascinating.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 11 Dec 2019 13:25

Note ...

ALWAYS keep that in mind when face to face with any gyan form the West. The "Christian theology & history" is so pervasive that even great "Atheist", who actually dislike their religion of birth, end up evangelizing the "Christian theology & history" unknowingly!

#AmazinHaiNa

https://twitter.com/sapinker/status/1204426879270301698
Steven Pinker @sapinker

The claim that morality depends on religion is both logically incoherent (Plato’s Euthyphro) and factually incorrect. The two greatest moral statements in the history of our species are 100% secular: UDHR, & UN Sustainable Development Goals. (Eliminating extreme poverty!)

To which the author of the "New history of Christianity - ‘Dominion’"
Tom Holland @holland_tom

The great thing about disguising culturally contingent assumptions bred of Christian theology & history as somehow universal is that you might even get famous atheists to evangelise them for you!

This is what I had pointed out earlier about RSS & Modi. They too have adopted certain "key constructs" from the "Abrahamics" into their theology in the name of "modernity".
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 11 Dec 2019 13:27

his brother in pakilund has already converted to islam.

derek no brain went there some years ago and after much difficulty traced his brother's family and found that they had converted.

he also wrote about it.

so no CAB route for his paki family :mrgreen:






#CAB2019 Derek O brien opposes Citizenship Amendment Bill what he conveniently forgets that his family is from Peshawar who fled prosecution during partition


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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby g.sarkar » 11 Dec 2019 13:58

chetak wrote:
g.sarkar wrote:Yes. But I did not hear of the Ahmadiyyas as they are no longer Muslim and have become a minority community . I am sure they would like to return back to India. I have met some Pakistani Christians in America. They are helped by the church to come to the Khan land.
Gautam

The ahmadiyyas claim themselves as muslim and their practices and beliefs are overwhelmingly muslim.
they are approx 200 million strong world wide.
how do they become minority in pak where even shia are not considered muslim enough.
they convert others and believe that their way is the only way.
they can go to other islamic countries or fight for their own share in pakiland.
they cannot and should not be covered under the Indian CAB.

I know all that. I am afraid Chetakji, you did not catch the tone of sarcasm in my post. But being a dhimmi I have to be afraid every time, never mind.
I have never proposed that they come to India. But I hope they stay in Pakistan and not move to other Islamic countries as you mentioned. We will have uses for them in near future during the break up of Pakistan. The tragedy with the Ahmedias and Shia is that they did not trust their Hindu neighbors with whom they lived for centuries after they converted. They were the ones that agitated for Pakistan. They then decided to place their trust on strangers living in distant lands with whom they have little in common. Jinnah needed these people to go to Pakistan and work in the middle class jobs, and they moved there hoping for great prospects of advancement. As the Americans say Karma is a female dog.
Gautam

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Postby pankajs » 11 Dec 2019 14:00

pankajs wrote:Note ...

ALWAYS keep that in mind when face to face with any gyan form the West. The "Christian theology & history" is so pervasive that even great "Atheist", who actually dislike their religion of birth, end up evangelizing the "Christian theology & history" unknowingly!

#AmazinHaiNa

https://twitter.com/sapinker/status/1204426879270301698
Steven Pinker @sapinker

The claim that morality depends on religion is both logically incoherent (Plato’s Euthyphro) and factually incorrect. The two greatest moral statements in the history of our species are 100% secular: UDHR, & UN Sustainable Development Goals. (Eliminating extreme poverty!)

To which the author of the "New history of Christianity - ‘Dominion’"
Tom Holland @holland_tom

The great thing about disguising culturally contingent assumptions bred of Christian theology & history as somehow universal is that you might even get famous atheists to evangelise them for you!

This is what I had pointed out earlier about RSS & Modi. They too have adopted certain "key constructs" from the "Abrahamics" into their theology in the name of "modernity".

https://twitter.com/holland_tom/status/ ... 8760829953
Tom Holland @holland_tom

Recent history would suggest that the most effective way to propagate Christian theological assumptions is to disguise the fact that they’re Christian.

Secularism is the perfect vehicle to impose Christian theological assumptions on the Pagans and Heathens.
Tom Holland @holland_tom

“The Christian event par excellence" - Ernst Bloch on the French Revolution #Dominion
Paul Wood @pjw_45

De Tocqueville is good on this, when he argues how the French Revolution was more akin to a religious than a political revolution, with its proselytism and appeal beyond civic/national lines.

And .. on English morality that is the bedrock of the English Law that is so dear to our sickularist.
Daniel Joachim @danieljoachim

As always. Here is Friedrich Nietzsche to the rescue:

"When the English actually believe that they know ‘intuitively’ what is good and evil, when they therefore suppose that they no longer require Christianity as the guarantee of morality, we merely witness the effects of the>
strength and depth of this dominion: such that the origin of English morality has been forgotten, such that the very conditional character of its right to existence is no longer felt. For the English, morality is not yet a problem.”
(Twillight of the Idols)
That is to say, English morality, mores and laws are deeply Christian under the cover of secularism.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 11 Dec 2019 14:11

g.sarkar wrote:
chetak wrote:The ahmadiyyas claim themselves as muslim and their practices and beliefs are overwhelmingly muslim.
they are approx 200 million strong world wide.
how do they become minority in pak where even shia are not considered muslim enough.
they convert others and believe that their way is the only way.
they can go to other islamic countries or fight for their own share in pakiland.
they cannot and should not be covered under the Indian CAB.

I know all that. I am afraid Chetakji, you did not catch the tone of sarcasm in my post. But being a dhimmi I have to be afraid every time, never mind.
I have never proposed that they come to India. But I hope they stay in Pakistan and not move to other Islamic countries as you mentioned. We will have uses for them in near future during the break up of Pakistan. The tragedy with the Ahmedias and Shia is that they did not trust their Hindu neighbors with whom they lived for centuries after they converted. They were the ones that agitated for Pakistan. They then decided to place their trust on strangers living in distant lands with whom they have little in common. Jinnah needed these people to go to Pakistan and work in the middle class jobs, and they moved there hoping for great prospects of advancement. As the Americans say Karma is a female dog.
Gautam


Yes saar, I seem to have missed it.

Your points are very valid.

Please excuse onlee.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 11 Dec 2019 14:16

termites in the paki woodwork

coupta looks high after tanking up on the single malt and tandoori :mrgreen:


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Postby pankajs » 11 Dec 2019 14:19

Harish Salve on Times Now .. WATCH the embedded video.

https://twitter.com/TimesNow/status/1204433050026704897
TIMES NOW @TimesNow

'CAB is not anti-Muslim and doesn’t violate Article 14, 15 or even 21 of the Constitution,' India’s leading legal mind Harish Salve opines on Citizenship Amendment Bill (CAB) on India Upfront with Rahul Shivshankar. | #CABProtest

Better video .. Start @ 01:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLm1RF1NrG8
Does Citizenship Amendment Bill pass legal scrutiny? | Harish Salve speaks to Times Now | EXCLUSIVE

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Postby pankajs » 11 Dec 2019 14:38

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... s-6161458/
2002 Gujarat riots: Nanavati Commission gives clean chit to Narendra Modi, ministers
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Postby Vikas » 11 Dec 2019 15:06

The amount of sympathy and arm twisting in favor of Peacefools is beyond comprehension. Forget our neighborhood, Even US is shedding tears When India is offering roof over the head to persecuted minorities.
Turn this upside down and consider a bill where only Muslims were allowed to apply for CAB, every one would have been jumping with joy and idiots like Sibbal and PK would have been on the forefront supporting the bill.

I feel scared of the scale of the fight that Hindus are fighting with hands tied behind.
Consider this, why is USA or Pakhis feeling uncomfortable with this bill. They can always offer their land for the persecuted Muslim minorities, can't they.
With this bill, The gates will be partially closed forever. As soon as one of the 3.25 forefathers of Pakhis go bellyup and Cheeni uncle come to collect the rent, India will suddenly become loving motherland to many Pakistanis and they will
suddenly develop love for Indian citizenship.

We need someone like Modi Ji and Amit Shah for next decade to cleanup the sewage that flows in the name of Looten, Liberal and Esscular.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 11 Dec 2019 16:01

Vikas wrote:The amount of sympathy and arm twisting in favor of Peacefools is beyond comprehension. Forget our neighborhood, Even US is shedding tears When India is offering roof over the head to persecuted minorities.
Turn this upside down and consider a bill where only Muslims were allowed to apply for CAB, every one would have been jumping with joy and idiots like Sibbal and PK would have been on the forefront supporting the bill.

I feel scared of the scale of the fight that Hindus are fighting with hands tied behind.
Consider this, why is USA or Pakhis feeling uncomfortable with this bill. They can always offer their land for the persecuted Muslim minorities, can't they.
With this bill, The gates will be partially closed forever. As soon as one of the 3.25 forefathers of Pakhis go bellyup and Cheeni uncle come to collect the rent, India will suddenly become loving motherland to many Pakistanis and they will
suddenly develop love for Indian citizenship.

We need someone like Modi Ji and Amit Shah for next decade to cleanup the sewage that flows in the name of Looten, Liberal and Esscular.


they see the coming tide.

UCC, anti conversion laws, the loss of dominance over education, the growing opposition to halal certifications and the attempt to build hegemon over food supply networks and these halal clowns are even certifying vegetarian products now, the growing consolidation of the Hindus and the demolition of the BIF that has had a stranglehold over India and the Hindus these past many decades.

the islamic countries are quiet for the moment but we will begin to see the cautious blowback soon enough.

the abrahamics are the biggest losers in their conversion games and via conversion, the rapid consolidation of political power, the effects of which are self evident in AP and TN and they will not give in without a long and arduous fight back.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Karan M » 11 Dec 2019 16:12

chetak wrote:
Vikas wrote:The amount of sympathy and arm twisting in favor of Peacefools is beyond comprehension. Forget our neighborhood, Even US is shedding tears When India is offering roof over the head to persecuted minorities.
Turn this upside down and consider a bill where only Muslims were allowed to apply for CAB, every one would have been jumping with joy and idiots like Sibbal and PK would have been on the forefront supporting the bill.

I feel scared of the scale of the fight that Hindus are fighting with hands tied behind.
Consider this, why is USA or Pakhis feeling uncomfortable with this bill. They can always offer their land for the persecuted Muslim minorities, can't they.
With this bill, The gates will be partially closed forever. As soon as one of the 3.25 forefathers of Pakhis go bellyup and Cheeni uncle come to collect the rent, India will suddenly become loving motherland to many Pakistanis and they will
suddenly develop love for Indian citizenship.

We need someone like Modi Ji and Amit Shah for next decade to cleanup the sewage that flows in the name of Looten, Liberal and Esscular.


they see the coming tide.

UCC, anti conversion laws, the growing consolidation of the Hindus and the demolition of the BIF that has had a stranglehold over India and the Hindus these past many decades.

the islamic countries are quiet for the moment but we will begin to see the cautious blowback soon enough.

the abrahamics are the biggest losers in their conversion games and via conversion, the rapid consolidation of political power, the effects of which are self evident in AP and TN and they will not give in without a long and arduous fight back.


Agreed, both of you.

I fully expect the next attack on Indians will be via the visa categories and threats of sanctions etc.

Mark my words - the charge will be led by Gungadins, sold-out coconuts used to attack Hindus so that the caucasians can get by without being accused of Hinduphobia or racism.

The west simply cannot abide Hindus acting in their own interests. For whatever reason, they are fully in bed with Islamism and think it can be reformed, has to be mollycoddled, leveraged etc. And as Chetak said, they see their decades long project of making India a docile, easily managed chamcha of the west under threat.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Aditya_V » 11 Dec 2019 16:21

Its almost some think Islamism is thier Doberman which they think they can control

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 11 Dec 2019 16:22

the twists and turns of UT after he has realized the thick schitt that he finds himself in after abandoning all his principles, whatever few that he may have had.

this is one ex "Hindu" frog that is being slowly boiled in the crock pot and he doesn't have the sense to realize it :mrgreen:

there will be a harsh blowback within his own party if he goes against the bill, whatever idiotic excuse that he may think of to justify it.



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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 11 Dec 2019 16:26

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