Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

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Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby Amber G. » 05 Aug 2019 12:14

Think this needs a new thread..
Govt Decides to Repeal Articles 370 and 35A, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Moderators - Please delete (or keep) this thread per your judgement ... Thanks in Advance.

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Postby Amber G. » 05 Aug 2019 12:31

Article 370, which confers special status to Jammu and Kashmir, will be removed, said Home Minister Amit Shah in parliament this morning.

- The announcement came after Prime Minister Narendra Modi held a meeting of his cabinet at his house this morning.

-Article 370 gives Jammu and Kashmir its own constitution and decision-making rights for all matters barring defence, communications and foreign affairs.


- The removal of this part of the constitution ends special status for Kashmir, which was key to its accession to India in 1947.


- Article 370 made it necessary for the centre to get the state legislature's approval for introducing any policies or constitutional powers to the state.​ This in turn means that the Governor, who is being treated as the 'State' govt at the moment, was able to move the resolution to the President.


- Jammu and Kashmir will consist of two Union Territories - Ladakh and Kashmir; the former will not have a legislature.

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Postby abhijitm » 05 Aug 2019 12:53

Do they have enough numbers to pull this off? Doesn't it require 2/3rd votes?

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Postby abhijitm » 05 Aug 2019 12:54

Is it already repealed or the resolution is tabled? Confusing.

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Postby SPattath » 05 Aug 2019 13:00

abhijitm wrote:Is it already repealed or the resolution is tabled? Confusing.

Doesn't require passing in parliament. President has already signed the required documents.

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Postby khan » 05 Aug 2019 13:51

POOF warning issued next will be bans

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby Anujan » 05 Aug 2019 14:07

^^^^
Actually not quite true. 370 is more nuanced and very complicated. I dont claim to be an expert on it.

The gist of it seems to be that 370 is a temporary provision. And the constituent assembly of JK was supposed to revoke it. This might sound strange but this is pretty much how India was integrated.

The princely states agreed to join India. A temporary article in the constitution recognized them as part of India and recognized their constituent assembly as their lawful representatives to decide their terms of relationship with the union of India. The states constituent assembly wrote a constitution for the state. Sent representatives to constituent assembly for union of India. Most states passed a resolution in the state constituent assembly to revoke their own constitution and to make the center - state relationships uniform. So in effect, India went from a union of autonomous states, each with it's own constitution and it's own terms of relationship with the center, to a federal model where the relationship between the center and the states were uniform.

Back to 370. It was supposed to be abrogated by the constituent assembly of JK after they had decided on the terms of relationship with Union of India. Except, the constituent assembly dissolved itself. Some say that therefore to modify 370 state assembly should concur. Some say that's not possible 370 is permanent, because constituent assembly does not exist anymore. Now if we take the view state assembly should agree to modifying 370, there is yet another opinion that in the absence of a state assembly, the governor can play the role of a state assembly in any state in India. So in JK the governor said yes to modifying 370.

This loophole always existed in any state. The loophole of governor playing the part of elected state assembly. If it didn't exist, president's rule won't work.

All in all a kichdi manoeuver. Let's see if it stands the test of the courts.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 05 Aug 2019 14:43

^^anujanji ..courts will take their own sweet time..a lot can be done in that time..valley folks must brace for an early winter..

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Postby tsarkar » 05 Aug 2019 15:08

In law, the present status matters and not something that should have happened 70 years ago.

Present status as per the due process of constitution of India and the acts of its parliament.

Its high time we stopped recycling shit from the past and giving importance to it.

Welcome step that fulfills aspirations of Ladakhis and Dogras and all of India.

I loved it when they said, "tourist season over" :D

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Postby kit » 05 Aug 2019 15:13

ArjunPandit wrote:^^anujanji ..courts will take their own sweet time..a lot can be done in that time..valley folks must brace for an early winter..



actually, i have this, one of the "Govt "lawyers should challenge this in Supreme Court and lose the case. Get done with that and no more loose ends.

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Postby kit » 05 Aug 2019 15:14

tsarkar wrote:In law, the present status matters and not something that should have happened 70 years ago.

Present status as per the due process of constitution of India and the acts of its parliament.

Its high time we stopped recycling shit from the past and giving importance to it.

Welcome step that fulfills aspirations of Ladakhis and Dogras and all of India.

I loved it when they said, "tourist season over" :D


could say that for the congis and the Lutyens gang. Wonder where Vadra is :mrgreen:

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby Manish_Sharma » 05 Aug 2019 15:26

Amber G. wrote:

- The removal of this part of the constitution ends special status for Kashmir, which was key to its accession to India in 1947.




I thought 370 was brought in 1949; it had nothing to do with accession of 1947?

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Postby Sachin » 05 Aug 2019 15:32

Manish_Sharma wrote:I thought 370 was brought in 1949; it had nothing to do with accession of 1947?

It was a revelation to me that these were all brought in 1954. That is around 4 years after India became a Republic and 7 years after gaining Independence.

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby g.sarkar » 05 Aug 2019 15:46

Cross posting from J&K News and Discussion - 2016
This explains the moves clearly:
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/k ... 2019-08-05
Kashmir: How govt used Article 370 to kill Article 370
Scrapping Article 370 would have required a constitutional amendment and also approval by the state legislature. The government, instead, used powers granted under Article 370(3) to make special status inoperative in J&K.
Prabhash K Dutta, August 5, 2019
In a major development, Union Home Minister Amit Shah moved a resolution in the Rajya Sabha to make Article 370 inoperative in Jammu and Kashmir. Interestingly, Amit Shah in his statement made in the Rajya Sabha invoked the same Article 370 to make inoperative. Section 3 of Article 370 empowers the President to declare the special status granted to Jammu and Kashmir under the Article inoperative anytime. A Presidential Order was issued using this provision to implement what the Bharatiya Janata Party had promised in the Lok Sabha election held in April-May, and which had been the party's long-standing demand. Article 370(3) reads, "Notwithstanding anything in the foregoing provisions of this article, the President may, by public notification, declare that this article shall cease to be operative or shall be operative only with such exceptions and modifications and from such date as he may specify" Article 370 accords special status to Jammu and Kashmir in many respects - giving the central government authority only over external affairs, defence and communication. Article 370 relates to "temporary provisions with respect to the State of Jammu and Kashmir" and limits "the power of Parliament to make laws for" the state to a specified list of subjects. Amit Shah also presented a resolution for reorganisation of Jammu and Kashmir. Ladakh will be a separate Union Territory without a legislature while the Jammu and Kashmir will be a Union Territory with a legislature.
This move by the Narendra Modi government came as a surprise. It was being speculated that the government would scrap Article 370 but many brushed off the idea saying the Supreme Court is seized with multiple cases relating to Article 370 and Article 35A. Instead of scrapping Article 370, the government used the power given by the same Article to the President to make the provision ineffective.
Scrapping of Article 370 would, otherwise, require a constitutional amendment under Article 368. But by invoking Article 370(3), the government has cleverly bypassed the amendment route. Tabling of resolution for adoption of the Presidential Order led to huge pandemonium in the Rajya Sabha. Oppoisiton leaders including Ghulam Nabi Azad opposed the move alleging that the government has "murdered" the Constitution.
Defending the move, Amit Shah said the Narendra Modi government has followed what was done by Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru in 1952 and 1962. Pandit Nehru and then Jammu and Kashmir Prime Minister Sheikh Abdullah had agreed on the Delhi Agreement in 1952 providing special privileges to the people of Kashmir on the matters of property ownership on the principles of hereditary. A Presidential Order was also implemented in 1962.
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Postby Avinandan » 05 Aug 2019 17:06

Another Article from Indian Express : Quoting in full
https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/understanding-articles-370-35a-jammu-kashmir-indian-constitution-5610996/

What is Article 370?
Included in the Constitution on October 17, 1949, Article 370 exempts J&K from the Indian Constitution (except Article 1 and Article 370 itself) and permits the state to draft its own Constitution. It restricts Parliament’s legislative powers in respect of J&K. For extending a central law on subjects included in the Instrument of Accession (IoA), mere “consultation” with the state government is needed. But for extending it to other matters, “concurrence” of the state government is mandatory. The IoA came into play when the Indian Independence Act, 1947 divided British India into India and Pakistan. For some 600 princely states whose sovereignty was restored on Independence, the Act provided for three options: to remain an independent country, join Dominion of India, or join Dominion of Pakistan — and this joining with either of the two countries was to be through an IoA. Though no prescribed form was provided, a state so joining could specify the terms on which it agreed to join. The maxim for contracts between states is pacta sunt servanda, i.e. promises between states must be honoured; if there is a breach of contract, the general rule is that parties are to be restored to the original position.

What were the terms included in the IoA for Kashmir?
The Schedule appended to the Instrument of Accession gave Parliament the power to legislate in respect of J&K only on Defence, External Affairs and Communications. In Kashmir’s Instrument of Accession in Clause 5, Raja Hari Singh, ruler of J&K, explicitly mentioned that the terms of “my Instrument of Accession cannot be varied by any amendment of the Act or of Indian Independence Act unless such amendment is accepted by me by an Instrument supplementary to this Instrument”. Clause 7 said “nothing in this Instrument shall be deemed to commit me in any way to acceptance of any future constitution of India or to fetter my discretion to enter into arrangements with the Government of India under any such future constitution”.

How did the accession come about?
Raja Hari Singh had initially decided to remain independent and sign standstill agreements with India and Pakistan, and Pakistan in fact signed it. But following an invasion from tribesmen and Army men in plainclothes from Pakistan, he sought the help of India, which in turn sought the accession of Kashmir to India. Hari Singh signed the Instrument of Accession on October 26, 1947 and Governor General Lord Mountbatten accepted it on October 27, 1947.

It was India’s stated policy that wherever there was a dispute on accession, it should be settled in accordance with the wishes of people rather than a unilateral decision of the ruler of the princely state. In India’s acceptance of the IoA, Lord Mountbatten stated that “it is my Government’s wish that as soon as law and order have been restored in Kashmir and her soil is cleared of the invader, the question of the State’s accession be settled by a reference to the people”. India regarded accession as purely temporary and provisional, as stated in the Government of India’s White Paper on J&K in 1948. In a letter to J&K Prime Minister Sheikh Abdullah dated May 17, 1949, Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru with the concurrence of Vallabhbhai Patel and N Gopalaswami Ayyangar wrote: “It has been settled policy of Government of India, which on many occasions has been stated both by Sardar Patel and me, that the Constitution of Jammu and Kashmir is a matter for determination by the people of the state represented in a Constituent Assembly convened for the purpose.”

How was Article 370 enacted?
The original draft was given by the Government of J&K. Following modification and negotiations, Article 306A (now 370) was passed in the Constituent Assembly on May 27, 1949. Moving the motion, Ayyangar said that though accession was complete, India had offered to have a plebiscite taken when the conditions were created, and if accession was not ratified then “we shall not stand in the way of Kashmir separating herself away from India”. On October 17, 1949, when Article 370 was finally included in the Constitution by India’s Constituent Assembly, Ayyangar reiterated India’s commitment to plebiscite and drafting of a separate constitution by J&K’s Constituent Assembly.

Was Article 370 a temporary provision?
It is the first article of Part XXI of the Constitution. The heading of this part is ‘Temporary, Transitional and Special Provisions’. Article 370 could be interpreted as temporary in the sense that the J&K Constituent Assembly had a right to modify/delete/retain it; it decided to retain it. Another interpretation was that accession was temporary until a plebiscite. The Union government, in a written reply in Parliament last year, said there is no proposal to remove Article 370. Delhi High Court in Kumari Vijayalaksmi (2017) too rejected a petition that said Article 370 is temporary and its continuation is a fraud on the Constitution. The Supreme Court in April 2018 said that despite the headnote using the word “temporary’, Article 370 is not temporary. In Sampat Prakash (1969) the SC refused to accept Article 370 as temporary. A five-judge Bench said “Article 370 has never ceased to be operative”. Thus, it is a permanent provision.

Can Article 370 be deleted?
Yes, Article 370(3) permits deletion by a Presidential Order. Such an order, however, is to be preceded by the concurrence of J&K’s Constituent Assembly. Since such an Assembly was dissolved on January 26, 1957, one view is it cannot be deleted anymore. But the other view is that it can be done, but only with the concurrence of the State Assembly.

What is Article 370’s significance for the Indian Union?
Article 370 itself mentions Article 1, which includes J&K in the list of states. Article 370 has been described as a tunnel through which the Constitution is applied to J&K. Nehru, however, said in Lok Sabha on November 27, 1963 that “Article 370 has eroded”. India has used Article 370 at least 45 times to extend provisions of the Indian Constitution to J&K. This is the only way through which, by mere Presidential Orders, India has almost nullified the effect of J&K’s special status. By the 1954 order, almost the entire Constitution was extended to J&K including most Constitutional amendments. Ninety-four of 97 entries in the Union List are applicable to J&K; 26 out of 47 items of the Concurrent List have been extended.; 260 of 395 Articles have been extended to the state, besides 7 of 12 Schedules.

The Centre has used Article 370 even to amend a number of provisions of J&K’s Constitution, though that power was not given to the President under Article 370. Article 356 was extended though a similar provision that was already in Article 92 of the J&K Constitution, which required that President’s Rule could be ordered only with the concurrence of the President. To change provisions for the Governor being elected by the Assembly, Article 370 was used to convert it into a nominee of the President. To extend President’s rule beyond one year in Punjab, the government needed the 59th, 64th, 67th and 68th Constitutional Amendments, but achieved the same result in J&K just by invoking Article 370. Again, Article 249 (power of Parliament to make laws on State List entries) was extended to J&K without a resolution by the Assembly and just by a recommendation of the Governor. In certain ways, Article 370 reduces J&K’s powers in comparison to other states. It is more useful for India today than J&K.

Is there any ground in the view that Article 370 is essential for J&K being a part of India?
Article 3 of the J&K Constitution declares J&K to be an integral part of India. In the Preamble to the Constitution, not only is there no claim to sovereignty, but there is categorical acknowledgement about the object of the J&K Constitution being “to further define the existing relationship of the state with the Union of India as its integral part thereof. Moreover people of state are referred as ‘permanent residents’ not ‘citizens’.” Article 370 is not an issue of integration but of autonomy. Those who advocate its deletion are more concerned with uniformity rather than integration.

What is Article 35A?
Article 35A stems from Article 370, having been introduced through a Presidential Order in 1954. Article 35A is unique in the sense that it does not appear in the main body of the Constitution — Article 35 is immediately followed by Article 36 — but comes up in Appendix I. Article 35A empowers the J&K legislature to define the state’s permanent residents and their special rights and privileges.

Why is it being challenged?
The Supreme Court will examine whether it is unconstitutional or violates the basic structure of the Constitution. But unless it is upheld, many Presidential Orders may become questionable. Article 35A was not passed as per the amending process given in Article 368, but was inserted on the recommendation of J&K’s Constituent Assembly through a Presidential Order.

Article 370 is not only part of the Constitution but also part of federalism, which is basic structure. Accordingly, the court has upheld successive Presidential Orders under Article 370.

Since Article 35A predates basic structure theory of 1973, as per Waman Rao (1981), it cannot be tested on the touchstone of basic structure. Certain types of restrictions on purchase of land are also in place in several other states, including some in the Northeast and Himachal Pradesh. Domicile-based reservation in admissions and even jobs is followed in a number of states, including under Article 371D for undivided Andhra Pradesh. The Centre’s recent decision extending to J&K reservation benefits for SCs, STs, OBCs and those living along international borders, announced last week. throws the spotlight back on Article 35A.

Parent provision and its offshoot
Article 370

Part of the Constitution ever since it came into effect, it lays down that only two Articles would apply to J&K: Article 1, which defines India, and Article 370 itself. Article 370 says other provisions of the Constitution can apply to J&K “subject to such exceptions and modifications as the President may by order specify”, with the concurrence of the state government and the endorsement of the J&K Constituent Assembly.

Article 35A

Introduced by a Presidential Order of 1954, it empowers the J&K legislature to define a “permanent resident” of the state, and to provide special rights and privileges to those permanent residents.

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby Deans » 05 Aug 2019 17:28

Clearly the biggest decision of Modiji. I'm a pretty unemotional middle aged guy but I almost had tears of joy:
On more sober reflection of the next steps:
1. Possibility of this being challenged in SC (The usual suspects are bound to raise it).
2. What will the J&K assembly look like after delimitation ? (Jammu has more land area but a smaller population).

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Postby Paul » 05 Aug 2019 18:21

Ayesha Siddiqa
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Question is what was DGISI doing that he couldn't gather the intel regarding what India had planned in Kashmir? Why did it come as a surprise? De-politicization of the military necessary for its sub-institutions to perform


Ayesha Siddiqa showing her true colors.....I used to think she is a level head person.

But she points to something interesting....another ISI failure

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Postby ArjunPandit » 05 Aug 2019 18:39

quite sometime back modiji had said..in some other context 'lagta hai yeh bhi mere haath se hi hona likha hai'...or something of this sort..now i can relate to it..what he meant..as a young boy i used to feel the thrill that INA, or when my maternal grandfather used to tell about the celebrations of independence day in his city..today, away from home, i can feel that thrill again a bit..

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Postby Bart S » 05 Aug 2019 18:45

Paul wrote:
Ayesha Siddiqa
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Question is what was DGISI doing that he couldn't gather the intel regarding what India had planned in Kashmir? Why did it come as a surprise? De-politicization of the military necessary for its sub-institutions to perform


Ayesha Siddiqa showing her true colors.....I used to think she is a level head person.

But she points to something interesting....another ISI failure


Well, if you look at her entire recent twitter feed including the retweet of that analysis video by Kamran Khan (supposedly close to the Paki establishment), the claim is that the Pakis were in the know about this all along and the Trump mediation was intended to kick in after this move that they knew India will take. :( :shock: He is basically saying that everything is agreed behind the scenes and this will move the region to peace not war.

Hard to tell if there is any truth to it, he is probably like a good Paki trying to spin everything as a victory :oops:

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Postby RKumar » 05 Aug 2019 19:09

RS passed 2 amendments and 2 bills and it will be going to LS!!


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Postby negi » 05 Aug 2019 19:41

RS was hard part , LS is easy . Now what we will have to wait for is how the last refuge of scoundrels in this country responds i.e. the Supleme Coult.

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby Bart S » 05 Aug 2019 19:43

Bart S wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ayesha Siddiqa showing her true colors.....I used to think she is a level head person.

But she points to something interesting....another ISI failure


Well, if you look at her entire recent twitter feed including the retweet of that analysis video by Kamran Khan (supposedly close to the Paki establishment), the claim is that the Pakis were in the know about this all along and the Trump mediation was intended to kick in after this move that they knew India will take. :( :shock: He is basically saying that everything is agreed behind the scenes and this will move the region to peace not war.

Hard to tell if there is any truth to it, he is probably like a good Paki trying to spin everything as a victory :oops:


More people in Pakistan including journalists, and opposition leaders now saying that it was a covert deal by Pak govt etc
https://twitter.com/MaryamNSharif
https://twitter.com/TalatHussain12/stat ... 7914384384

Seems like utter chaos and panic, hope this spreads some infighting among Pakis. Interesting times for Pakistan :D

Ayub lost battle of 65 , Yaha lost 71 Bangla Desh , Zia lost Saichain , Mush lost Kargil and Bjawa Dcotirne lost Kashmir ..... General Niazi surrendered in Bangla Desh and PM Niazi sold Kashmir ...who is responsible for whole game ?


Full on ranting by Pakis on twitter :rotfl:
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Postby chetak » 05 Aug 2019 19:43

twitter

Not a word or tweet from @RahulGandhi on the revocation of #Article370

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Postby chetak » 05 Aug 2019 19:57

Jetley nails the oft repeated cashmeri politicians' lies over the accession of the cashmeri state to India.


Arun Jaitley Verified account @arunjaitley 7h7 hours ago

J&K integration with India took place in October 1947. Article 370 came into force in 1952, Article 35A came in 1954, four and seven years later respectively. How can Articles 370 and 35A be a condition precedent to merger?

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby kvjayan » 05 Aug 2019 20:11

chetak wrote:twitter

Not a word or tweet from @RahulGandhi on the revocation of #Article370


Perhaps the subject matter is too complicated for him. Or his Congi private tutors are too stunned to react.

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Postby Kashi » 05 Aug 2019 20:25

Where is Rahul Gandhi anyway? Was he in the parliament today?

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Postby NRao » 05 Aug 2019 20:29

chetak wrote:twitter

Not a word or tweet from @RahulGandhi on the revocation of #Article370


You only ask school kids such questions, not national leaders.

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby pankajs » 05 Aug 2019 20:35

Shifted here from the other thread .
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Bart S wrote:
pankajs wrote:I wonder when will they start bad mouthing Dimran and Trump/JooYes as having let Kashmir/Bakistan down? I am still waiting for that part of my case to fulfilled.

#ModiHaiToMumkinHai


They are already doing that.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7750#p2369362
Thanks! I did not peek into the thread for a while now.

New Material via Kanchan Gupta
https://twitter.com/MaryamNSharif/statu ... 8104347648
Maryam Nawaz Sharif @MaryamNSharif

We, the people of Pakistan must be told what commitments were sought by & given to the U.S. by Imran Khan. Was the offer for mediation a trap that you walked into & gloated over, or you as usual had no clue about what was being planned by the enemy?
What validation and how!

Now I wait for Trump/JooYes statement. I wont mind it either ways for I know that the long-term game is India's. That much confidence I have.

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Postby pankajs » 05 Aug 2019 20:43

I have mixed opinion on this guy even though he is opposed to Modi. Don't think he is a libtard.

https://twitter.com/VDPAssociates/statu ... 2962312192
VDPAssociates @VDPAssociates

BJD,AIADMK have long been in favor of removing Article 370 irrespective of their ties with BJP but how come parties like BSP,TDP,JD(S) support the government after fighting Loksabha election on intense anti BJP platform?

Reason is that they did not want to cede the nationalist space to the BJP in their respective regions. They are not as stupid nor thoroughly infiltrated by BIF. Simple!

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby pankajs » 05 Aug 2019 20:51

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1158382671053148161
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Janardan Dwivedi, Congress on #Article370revoked : My political guru Ram Manohar Lohia ji was always against this Article. A mistake of history has been corrected today, albeit late.

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby A Nandy » 05 Aug 2019 20:53



That speech went deep. A reminder of the economic disaster hurled by the pakistaniyat of the Kashmiris politicians.

These crooks as usual very organized and systematic amid the chaos of the first few decades, while the general public was cleverly blindsided.

We know that some parties have made an NGO brigade and will fire cases to oppose this bill. I want to assure everyone that no amount of legal scrutiny will stop this bill :lol:

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby Mollick.R » 05 Aug 2019 21:11

X post from J&K thread

Puuch to forum gurus on view of nullification of Art 370 what will be status of IWT

1. Any scope of interpreting and maneuver IWT freshly ???

2. Forgetting point no1. & Assuming IWT is a seperate nation to nation agreement, still i assume Physical construction of dams, land acquisition etc will be more smooth under Lt. Gov rule.

Isn't it ???

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby Bart S » 05 Aug 2019 21:23

Shekhar Gupta is in good form lately and is hitting it out of the park. To follow up his excellent video from yesterday, today's livestream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI7CWeeWbec

Hillarious to see Jyoti Malhotra get offended when he called Imran dumb. He responded that for Imran even 'dumb' is a compliment. :lol:

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby vijayk » 05 Aug 2019 21:34

@vinod_sharma
So it turns out that the failed alliance with Mehbooba Mufti was part of a long term plan. PM knew it was doomed, but didn't want to be blamed for not even trying

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Multiple angles they did over six years. I would say kudos to Ram Madhav as well. they are able to deep dive at booth level. The NSA has taken care that culminated in Balakot. Basically India checkmated every players on the mosaic.


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Always suspected that. Also it gave the PM & Amit Shah an opportunity to observe & study for future reference, the innards & machinations of Kashmiri governments....


You have to trust everything they do if this is true ...


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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby SSridhar » 05 Aug 2019 21:37

Mollick.R wrote:X post from J&K thread

Puuch to forum gurus on view of nullification of Art 370 what will be status of IWT

1. Any scope of interpreting and maneuver IWT freshly ???

2. Forgetting point no1. & Assuming IWT is a seperate nation to nation agreement, still i assume Physical construction of dams, land acquisition etc will be more smooth under Lt. Gov rule.

Isn't it ???

On 1, I can't see a link between these two.

On 2, J&K is not much amenable to large storage-type dams. Besides, the difficulty of acquiring land is there everywhere. I haven't come across instances where much protests have delayed such constructions.

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby vijayk » 05 Aug 2019 21:48

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby putnanja » 05 Aug 2019 21:49

Article on how article 367 and 370(1) was used to abrogate provisions of 370 applied to J&K from bar & bench, legal website. I guess it will finally depend on how SC interprets it.

Article 370 has not been abrogated or repealed yet: Then what has the President of India done?

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby pankajs » 05 Aug 2019 21:58

vijayk wrote:
@vinod_sharma
So it turns out that the failed alliance with Mehbooba Mufti was part of a long term plan. PM knew it was doomed, but didn't want to be blamed for not even trying

I too had the same view. Now let me talk about another case which has offended folks on this forum and RW in general. Some still crib about it till date.

Modi's brief vizit to Na-awaz in Lahore too was for the same purpose. I have stated it repeatedly before and will state it again. Modi's visit was to assure our international partners that India was open to peace with bakistan provided certain ground rules were met even when he fully knew Na-awaz could not deliver it and Na-Pak army wouldn't allow it! Modi did not go to Lahore out of desperation or romanticism or pragmatism. None of that! He just went there to demonstrate his willingness to bat for peace in the region.

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby nandakumar » 05 Aug 2019 22:00

vijayk wrote:
@vinod_sharma
So it turns out that the failed alliance with Mehbooba Mufti was part of a long term plan. PM knew it was doomed, but didn't want to be blamed for not even trying

Muppalla
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@vinod_sharma
Multiple angles they did over six years. I would say kudos to Ram Madhav as well. they are able to deep dive at booth level. The NSA has taken care that culminated in Balakot. Basically India checkmated every players on the mosaic.


Nandini
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Replying to
@vinod_sharma
Always suspected that. Also it gave the PM & Amit Shah an opportunity to observe & study for future reference, the innards & machinations of Kashmiri governments....


You have to trust everything they do if this is true ...


Rahul Kanwal
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3h
Like him or hate him,
@AmitShah
has greater ideological conviction than almost any other leader in his tribe. He’s taking the argument to the people’s court. Reaching out to J&K youth and promising greater development over the next 5 years in than at any time in the state’s past.

The notion that Kashmiri youth want jobs and tried everywhere but failed is completely false. The reality is that a large majority had gotten used to an easy life with an occasional stone throwing commission which like flight stewardesses they get rotated and get paid was a great job. Now that is gone. Trust me they are not going to take to the streets.


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