Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Aug 2019 15:40

yensoy wrote:P5 should be briefed by saying that "we no longer consider this an international issue, so this will be our last briefing to you on this matter".

It was never an international issue - but briefing may have clarified that in view of the coming noises. Kosovo paranoia comes to mind.
Putting IAF and IN on alert suggests that there are standing orders for instant, massive action in case of any terror stunts. Like... pickup truck iedmubarak goes off... Karachi waterfront experiences Spontaneous Combustion.

Dollar bonds falling is interesting. Bond prices fall when overall interest rates rise relative to bonds' promised rate of return, per my madarssa econ. So why is Pak interest rate expected to rise? Because of increased investment risk?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Aug 2019 15:44

^^ We should remember to thank Pakistani Tactical Brilliance as well. It was the Pulwama Bright Idea (PBI) that set the stage. I think Balakot and F-16 experiences put a damper on enthusiasm of both the jihad and the PAF, leaving PA/ISI rather alone. For the first time the "Strategic Depth" was seen to be way too shallow: Indian planes zoomed PAST Isloo and Abbotabad and struck targets pinpoint and there wasn't diddly-squat that Pak could do about it. "Response" using massive PAF "raid" ended in utter humiliation, bombs did not even hit a pakistan at the target area.

Otherwise there would have been a dozen attacks and massive LOC bombardments already. The "peace" is scary but maybe logical.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 07 Aug 2019 16:12

Lo ji kaar lo baat ...

https://www.dawn.com/news/1498540
Actions against banned outfits key to exiting FATF list: US [August 07, 2019]

ISLAMABAD: The United States has asked Pakistan to show tangible and satisfactory actions against banned organisations and their leaderships to pacify more countries towards supporting its case to move out of the grey list of Financial Action Task Force (FATF).

A senior government official told Dawn that a US delegation was in Islamabad to have an independent assessment of steps, actions and measures identified during the Florida meetings of the FATF in June this year and the progress made by Pakistan since then.

<snip>

The US delegation had rather strong position on taking actions against banned outfits, their activities and movements of their leaderships and key operatives and wanted some visible progress by the authorities to address adverse opinions from majority of FATF members, the official said.

"rather strong position" is euphemism for a reprimand on not doing enough. Hajam did mention that IMF money is linked to FATF. For now lets watch the maneuvering. It is a different matter that the US might cut a deal with bakis tomorrow.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 07 Aug 2019 16:30

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pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 07 Aug 2019 16:34

Kammady ... but on the order of the establishment the H&D of the qaum has to be protected.

https://twitter.com/Office_AQPk/status/ ... 1119109120

Ahmed Quraishi - TV Team @Office_AQPk
#AhmedQuraishi @AQpk interview to @BBCArabic

in London between 1117 & 1127 PKT. Key points: #India stands isolated internationally in its illegal steps on #Kashmir. Growing global consensus that #Indian actions have escalated tensions. Noting the reactions of #US & #China.

To which
https://twitter.com/francescam63/status ... 0126637056

FrancescaMarino @francescam63
For journalistic truth’s sake:

USA said they knew and called it an “internal issue”
UAE said is “internal issue” and wished for development
Sri Lanka congratulates for Ladakh
China did not bother mentioning Pakistan
Other countries did not give a damn

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 07 Aug 2019 16:40

^OMG this joker (used to be referred to as Paki Pappu) is still around? He disappeared from TV and youtube for a while so was wondering what happened to him

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 07 Aug 2019 16:41

How Congress has lost its way, its leaders their hearts & its MPs panicking like headless chickens

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 07 Aug 2019 16:53

A Kashmiri muslim woman responds

https://twitter.com/rose_k01/status/1158968499412226048

juvva · Post by **juvva** » 07 Aug 2019 16:55

Tauba Tauba
Do not miss!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJBNJqzEqrY

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Aug 2019 16:57

With 370 gone, former CMs' palaces may be next

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 561995.cms

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 07 Aug 2019 17:01

vijayk wrote:How Congress has lost its way, its leaders their hearts & its MPs panicking like headless chickens

I have said this before. I don't know why CON did not realize that Modi, with this latest gambit on Kashmir, was asking a question not only of the US or Bakistan BUT of all political parties and more importantly each elected MP!

Rather than take an unambiguous pro-India stand, CON left its MPs to fend on their own. That was a formula for disaster. The MPs would by default move to protect their own standing within their constituency especially the rooted leaders. BJP would otherwise make mince meat of them in the next round. I don't know why the CON could not anticipate this before.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 07 Aug 2019 17:21

silver bullet ji ..good find..it's good to spot the antecedents and the eco system of these guys...

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 07 Aug 2019 17:23

tsarkar wrote: First, Pakistani infiltration launchpads are proactively targeted.
Second, BAT teams are targeted before they launch
Third, a feint was talked about in Kargil
Fourth, threats to Amarnath Yatra including landmines and M24 sniper rifle.
Fifth, Triple Talaq Bill was used to divert peaceful's attention and also as a sounding board for Rajya Sabha maneuvering. Women's issues always get the men's attention

There is something called Strategic Initiative in battle. When the enemy doesnt know what you're about to do.

....

one more thing ..the J&K bank takeover by RBI followed by NIA raids...kept these guys engaged with battles where our hammer was not to come...

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 07 Aug 2019 17:52

It seems NYT has called upon US and China to stop India on its Kashmir plans.

Tension lene ka nahin tension dene ka hai.

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 07 Aug 2019 18:11

pankajs wrote:It seems NYT has called upon US and China to stop India on its Kashmir plans.

Tension lene ka nahin tension dene ka hai.

Nice to see the NYT showing off its pro PRC bent by publishing this bulls..t bingo article. Should the GOI continue to allow the NYT access to publish such anti- India hostility at the behest of the PRC when others like CNN and global times are doing so? Terms like hindu nationalist are racist and should be pointed out to the publications.

I think the PRC might try to incoporate bits of Ladakh into COK or try another Doklam to spare Pak blushes. Having a predominant Buddhist state adjacent to COP, that shares a wide variety of culture and beliefs with the Tibetans, whose, nation has been ethnically cleaned by the hans is very uncomfortable for the prc, hence we are seeing the western media in the service of the prc (nyt, cnn, wapo), and the saudis (Independent, Reuters)

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 07 Aug 2019 18:31

I haven't read it but the gist per someone.

https://twitter.com/sushantsareen/statu ... 5780315141

sushant sareen @sushantsareen
To the “Pakistani ransom note to the West – tell India to behave on the Kashmir front, or the effort in Afghanistan will suffer, Modi responded by writing an even larger ransom note; he changed the script on Kashmir.” Superb analysis. A must read by @MalikAshok
for @orfonline

https://www.orfonline.org/research/jamm ... igm-54185/

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 07 Aug 2019 18:51

This makes sense ... That bleddy Mudi might be laying the ground work for cutting the CPEC road at the point that it is closest to the LOC. How is that for a chanakyan?

I don't know about his full scenario but squatting on the closest CPEC road is definitely a possibility. At the very least hit CEPC hard enough to make it inoperable for 2-3 years.

https://twitter.com/IndoPac_Info/status ... 7114505216

IndoPacific_SCS_Info @IndoPac_Info
Its clear that #Pakistan plans a massive insurgency campaign on steroids against #India that would be backed by the military. India's response should be to retaliate with even greater force so that Pak has to pay an unbearable price for each of its actions.

IndoPacific_SCS_Info @IndoPac_Info

Such situation would be close to full out war in the Kashmir region and can easily escalate into a full war.

IndoPacific_SCS_Info @IndoPac_Info

#Pakistan is actually playing into #India's game. Pak's insurgency & supportive military actions will show Pak as the aggressor and India's retake of Pak occupied Kashmir in retaliation for such actions will be totally accepted. India already gamed the whole scenario.

IndoPacific_SCS_Info @IndoPac_Info

Thread: #Pakistan is behaving exactly as #India expected after the abrogation of article 370. They either do it or they lose face. India is doing the moves, Pak is only reacting and doesn't have any good choices. It's a lose - lose situation for Pak.

IndoPacific_SCS_Info @IndoPac_Info

Thread: If things go as expected, with heavy warfare in Kashmir, we could expect that #India will cut off the CPEC corridor road from #China into Pak, which runs through Kashmir and at one point, it's only 80 Km from the LOC. Look at the map

IndoPacific_SCS_Info @IndoPac_Info

Thread: In such full scale warfare scenario, the end game could easily be a full or significant Indian takeover of #Pakistan occupied Kashmir and a direct land route from #India to #Afghanistan, something that India needs to counter the Pak-Taliban efforts in Afghanistan.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Aug 2019 18:55

80 km is a universe away in those parts. Doesn't the Karakoram Hwy come within shelling range of Siachen? Time India took the lowlands and slopes around Siachen so that there is no need to put ppl on the high glacier.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 07 Aug 2019 19:14

https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/statu ... 7405670402

Aditya Raj Kaul @AdityaRajKaul

JUST IN: Pakistan National Security Committee meet underway in Islamabad to discuss following counter options against India.

1) End diplomatic ties with India
2) Close the Wagah/Attari border
3) Increase troops at the LoC
4) International Campaign

Looks like they have options!

Would be fun to watch some baki channel AFTER the council recco is made. Clearly all the choices above would be deemed "highly unsatisfactory" by the masses and the anal-yst fed heavily on Slam, jeehard and martial superiority over yindus.

Dimran needs to watch his back now.

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 07 Aug 2019 19:23

pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/statu ... 7405670402

Aditya Raj Kaul @AdityaRajKaul

JUST IN: Pakistan National Security Committee meet underway in Islamabad to discuss following counter options against India.

1) End diplomatic ties with India
2) Close the Wagah/Attari border
3) Increase troops at the LoC
4) International Campaign

Looks like they have options!
Would be fun to watch some baki channel AFTER the council recco is made. Clearly all the choices above would be deemed "highly unsatisfactory" by the masses and the anal-yst fed heavily on Slam, jeehard and martial superiority over yindus.

Dimran needs to watch his back now.

Pakistan says will downgrade diplomatic relations, suspend bilateral trade with India as per Reuters

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 07 Aug 2019 19:24

UlanBatori wrote:80 km is a universe away in those parts. Doesn't the Karakoram Hwy come within shelling range of Siachen? Time India took the lowlands and slopes around Siachen so that there is no need to put ppl on the high glacier.

reminds me of a paki term 'downhill skiing' but of course..ours has to be different...on pakis of course
whats there to downgrade???? stop asking for medical help?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Aug 2019 19:30

MAD got into the OODA loop of all the Opposition, Pakistan and their backers.

I would say it's Operational Art of Deep Battle deployed in statecraft.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 07 Aug 2019 19:33

^^now MSD..not just MAD

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 07 Aug 2019 19:35

ArjunPandit wrote:^^now MSD..not just MAD

MAD sounds destructive

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 07 Aug 2019 19:43

pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/statu ... 7405670402

Aditya Raj Kaul @AdityaRajKaul

JUST IN: Pakistan National Security Committee meet underway in Islamabad to discuss following counter options against India.

1) End diplomatic ties with India
2) Close the Wagah/Attari border
3) Increase troops at the LoC
4) International Campaign

Looks like they have options!

1 and 2 are probably on the wishlist of most Indians themselves

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 07 Aug 2019 19:44

Sonugn wrote:Pakistan says will downgrade diplomatic relations, suspend bilateral trade with India as per Reuters

Bilateral trade was a source of Hawala funding for terrorists, so its high time it ended.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Aug 2019 19:49

twitter

PM Imran forms 7-member committee to deal with the Kashmir situation.

As the joke goes, in Pakistan when you don't want to do anything about an issue you a make a "committee" or a "commission".

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 07 Aug 2019 19:55

Indian envoy expelled from PAK as per Afp..

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 07 Aug 2019 19:59

^^
Ah! Now the world will take notice and rush to intervene. Serves that bleddy Mudi right!

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Aug 2019 20:02

So being a Tolerant ppl, they Tolerated Indian Amby all this time because...... Kashmir had Article 370!!!! :LOL

Also stopped trade per phoren news.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 07 Aug 2019 20:05

Bart S wrote:
pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/statu ... 7405670402

1 and 2 are probably on the wishlist of most Indians themselves

3. Increased presence on the LOC will just bankrupt Pak faster.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 07 Aug 2019 20:07

Sonugn wrote:Indian envoy expelled from PAK as per Afp..

i think they have realized that India can do what they have done and a lot more because of deep pockets. Afterall, the posters of Akhand bharat were not just coz of the love of India or hatred of money..may be few dollars or promise of an american visa..or kids education here there..

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 07 Aug 2019 20:08

tsarkar wrote:
Sonugn wrote:Pakistan says will downgrade diplomatic relations, suspend bilateral trade with India as per Reuters
Bilateral trade was a source of Hawala funding for terrorists, so its high time it ended.

sir how do we plan to fund our balochi brothers?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Aug 2019 20:12

Increased presence on LOC is a threat to US: means troops taken from AfPak border where PA fights herrowically holding back the Taliban from going into Afghanistan. If they pull troops from Balochistan, they will shoot themselves in the backside as usual.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Aug 2019 20:16

Shrilleen:

Dr Shireen Mazari, Minister for Human Rights in Pakistani also said that the atrocities perpetrated by Indian security forces on innocent Kashmiris are tantamount to genocide of native population. She said we will make efforts to persuade international community to take action and stop India from these acts.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Aug 2019 20:19

And @washingtonpost allows this liar, rumor monger to write for them !!!

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 07 Aug 2019 20:24

Shrileen is still alive ??

Now all that’s left is for jrjrao to come back and resume weekly bag the hag events and BRF will rock it like it’s the 2000s.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 07 Aug 2019 20:25

ArjunPandit wrote:
Sonugn wrote:Indian envoy expelled from PAK as per Afp..
i think they have realized that India can do what they have done and a lot more because of deep pockets. Afterall, the posters of Akhand bharat were not just coz of the love of India or hatred of money..may be few dollars or promise of an american visa..or kids education here there..

Posters were put up by Paki extremists (probably Zaid Hamid and linked people) to highlight the Indian threat, but they did such a piss-poor job of it that they actually spread the Shiv Sena message as nobody looked at the tiny logo of the group that put it up on the top of the poster.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 07 Aug 2019 20:27

Latest: Pakistan to deploy its super-weapon against India: giant hologram of Shireen Mazari at the border.

And India to surrender.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 07 Aug 2019 20:34