Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby sudarshan » 09 Aug 2019 07:21

Suraj wrote:Please post a screenshot of his constituency demographics and show everyone that . Chumps like him need to grovel online .


http://hodge-hill.localstats.co.uk/cens ... hodge-hill

Scroll down to the religion break-up pie chart. 41.5% Muslim, 37.8% Christian, rest atheists, and chump change consisting of this, that, and the other.

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Postby Shanmukh » 09 Aug 2019 07:28

Suraj wrote:Please post a screenshot of his constituency demographics and show everyone that . Chumps like him need to grovel online .


Done. https://twitter.com/maidros78/status/11 ... 5106154496

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Postby A_Gupta » 09 Aug 2019 08:00

rgosain wrote:
CRamS wrote:Guys, latest libtrad rope trick is this. And I am seeing this narrative being spun by the usual suspects, print, undy etc. And that is that 370 was actually developing the valley. That sly Jihadi on Undy, Nasoor whatever reporting from the valley claiming how 370 gave everyone land, how 370 is so progressive that 50% reservation for women, valley is sooooo progressing because of 370. Some propaganda.


It is good to remind people that the only country that praised Nehru for art70 was apartheid South Africa - yes you heard it right. Kashmir yoked with Ladakh and Jammu under 370 provided the framework for the Bantustan policy policy which saw the creation of racially and tribally segregated states such as Transkei etc with their own laws, security forces and development policy. It was only in 1994, that these were reincorporated into the post apartheid SA now under democracy and a uniform rule of law.
The newly liberated ladakh and jammu can now be fully incorporated within the Indian Union in a similar manner.


Any reference if you have would be helpful.

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Postby CRamS » 09 Aug 2019 09:05

I would say among all the TV anchors in India, Rahul Shivshankar of TimesNow is the most articulate, most watchable, most balanced, his obvious pro-ModiJi leaning notwithstanding. Especially watch the latest episode on ModiJi's speech

https://www.timesnownews.com/videos/tim ... ia-upfront

If I were to compare ModiJi's obliterating 370 and the aftermath to date, with a run chase in 1-day cricket match, we are now in the final overs and its anybody's game. The real test comes tomorrow on-wards when curfew is lifted. If the traitors in collusion with TSP and other India haters succeed in disrupting peace, all bets are off. But if Indian security forces successfully thwart their designs and let the latent pro-India KMs support the move and KMs by and large get on with their lives, ModiJi will stand tall as the architect of naya Kashmir.

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Postby A_Gupta » 09 Aug 2019 09:44

The success or failure of Modi/ Shah strategy will take longer to assess. Everyone who wants a short-term club to bash them with is going to make trouble between now and the onset of winter. The question is by when are they exhausted/ attenuated?Fortitude will be needed. I suggest easily excitable/ depressed people should keep away from the news.

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Postby Arun.prabhu » 09 Aug 2019 09:47

Look at Afghanistan's geography. America needs a port to support their troops in country. They won't go to Iran because both countries hate each other - I tried to make a case for Chabahar with my ex-serviceman friends over at Baen's Bar, and if there is one thing a lot of them agree upon, it is Iran needs to be bombed back into the Stone Age. They can't use Mumbai and ship overland through India - POK is in the way. They can't use China - China will steal everything and it'll be a knife that Chinese leadership will hold against America. They shipped a little over rail through Russia and then I think Krygystan or Turkmenistan, but the Russians allowed the Americans to move class I and a few others, but not class 5 or 7 materiel. And even America does not have the airlift to supply an army of 100000 - at the peak troop levels - plus their local allies for any decent length of time without moving the country to a war footing, expanding airport facilities by several orders of magnitude in Afghanistan and commandeering civilian lift capacity for the war effort.

Pakistan is the only possible and realistic logical route and the Americans can't deal with them as they would like to.

UlanBatori wrote:It STILL hasn't dawned on the dumbasses in Duplicity, that the reason they are in trouble in Afghanistan, 18 years after going in there, is that PAKISTAN WON'T ALLOW peace in Afghanistan? And that their criminal friends in the Deep State want it that way?

Solution is simple: Pakistanlessness.

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Postby Amber G. » 09 Aug 2019 10:43

From Toronto Sun: (Article worth to tweet)
India wins freedom 2.0
A major shift took place in the Indian subcontinent on Monday when the government of India revoked the special status it had conferred on its only Muslim-majority state – the State of Jammu and Kashmir (J&K).

In doing so, India demonstrated a spinal cord of steel, this coming after 1,000 years of Arab, Turkic, Persian and Afghan Islamic invasions, followed by Portuguese, French and British colonization, had reduced it to mere spaghetti.

India today stands as tall as the Himalayas and walks as gracefully as the Bengal tiger.

As expected, Pakistan invoked its self-styled role as the godfather of India’s Islamists. The country’s military-backed Prime Minister Imran Khan made a barely concealed threat of a nuclear attack unless India revoked its actions taken on its own sovereign territory.

Khan told a joint session of the Pakistan parliament, “if we fight a war till we shed the last drop of our blood, who will win that war? No one will win it and it will have grievous consequences for the entire world,” he thundered. Then, as if to mollify his threat of a worldwide nuclear catastrophe, Khan fooled no one by insisting: “This is not nuclear blackmail.”

Khan then played the race card: “What they (Indian government) did in Kashmir is in accordance with their ideology. They have a racist ideology … ingrained in their ideology that puts Hindus above all other religions and seeks to establish a state that represses all other religious groups.”

India’s actions were taken through a change in two articles of its constitution that won approval in both houses of the country’s parliament. The fact this led Pakistan to threaten nuclear war tells us why so many of us consider the country not just a state sponsor of terrorism, but a threat to world peace under a military that is carrying out a genocide on its own people in the occupied once independent country of Balochistan.

India has a peculiarity to its history. Unlike the Persian and Egyptian civilizations that crumbled in the face of Islamic expansionism of the 7th and 8th centuries, India’s Hindu society was able to survive despite the total erasure of Hinduism from the 5,000-year-old Indus Valley Civilization by the Arab marauder Muhammad Bin Qasim and later murderous plunderers such as Tamerlane and the Moguls ending with the looting of its riches and resources by the British.

When they finally left in 1947, Britain amputated India’s limbs to partition the ancient land into three, with the Islamic State of Pakistan flanking India on both its eastern and western borders.

On paper India had won its freedom in August 15, 1947, but on the ground the ancient plundered land was not free until Monday.

Acting in good faith and making India secular to accommodate its Muslim minority, for decades its Hindu leaders distanced themselves from their heritage. India’s first education minister came from a family in Mecca that claimed to be a direct descendent of Prophet Muhammad.

In fact, India is the only major civilizational country where you are systematically taught to hate your heritage and glorify the invaders who came to destroy it. And this absurdity is called “secularism.”

Anyone standing up for the rights of India’s Hindu heritage of its indigenous and aboriginal population, who took pride in their ancient Vedic texts was labelled by the slur of being an “ultra-right Hindu nationalist,” while those who propagated the total Islamization of India under the Arab doctrine of “Ghazwa-e-Hind” and the eradication of every Hindu Temple were free to claim such hate as being their “right” to practice their faith.

But in the words of Bob Dylan, “the times, they are a changing.” India has finally won its freedom from the clutches of those who mock its heritage and wish it harm.

Under this new freedom, India’s Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs and Christians will be equals before the law and not hide behind “special status.”

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Postby A_Gupta » 09 Aug 2019 10:47

^^^^ re: Pakistanlessness - Modi won re-election in part for delivering a Pakistan in each home.

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Postby disha » 09 Aug 2019 10:49

Arun.prabhu wrote:Pakistan is the only possible and realistic logical route and the Americans can't deal with them as they would like to.


Well Americans are also dumb here. They hold it sacrosanct that Bakistan is to be supported so that India cannot walk over it. Hello! Bakistan was erstwhile Indian territory and the UK-US as part of the great game thought they can hold the Baki dog under their camp and continue to play in the central asian theatre and create a bulwark against the spread of communism.

With the collapse of Soviet Union, the need of Bakistan vanished. So from 1991 to 2019 (28 years) why is Bakistan kept alive? What was the need for clintonites like Robin Raphael jumping up and down stating that US does not recognize accession of Kashmir to India?

A smarter power would have realized the trajectory Bakistan is taking on 9/12 2001 and decided to start the break Bakistan project. By now with break bakistan project, US would not have to worry about being in Afghanistan at all.

Now the light bulbs are going on in US SD. After a transactional ADHD trumpet is lighting a fire on the costs of sustaining an army in a land locked hostile country.

What is the way forward? Nobody wants to take ownership of Bakistan. In fact do not be surprised if civil war breaks out in Bakistan. It is actually not a question of if but when.

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Postby yensoy » 09 Aug 2019 10:50

Arun.prabhu wrote:Pakistan is the only possible and realistic logical route and the Americans can't deal with them as they would like to.

Actually there is another route, Baluchistan, if you get the drift... :wink:

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Postby Rsatchi » 09 Aug 2019 11:00

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... YjZGPrqr1a
A lot Tamil Evangelist taking up the cudgels!!!
I suppose the ritual of 'Early morning bath, waisthi, murugan temple, vibhoothi' is slowly fading away beyond Hosur down south. Hope the secession nonsense wont start down south

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Postby Kashi » 09 Aug 2019 11:02

disha wrote:Now the light bulbs are going on in US SD.


Are they? Or are we confusing blinking decoration lights for light bulbs going on?

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Postby pankajs » 09 Aug 2019 12:05

https://twitter.com/AmberRShamsi/status ... 4163735553
Amber Rahim Shamsi @AmberRShamsi\

In a briefing to anchorpersons on #Kashmir, Prime Minister Imran Khan ruled out the use of jihadi organisations in IOK “There are more disadvantages than advantages,” he said.
Amber Rahim Shamsi @AmberRShamsi

PM Imran Khan said he “fears genocide and ethnic cleansing in Kashmir by the racist BJP government” that could push Kashmiri refugees into Pakistan and AjK.
Amber Rahim Shamsi @AmberRShamsi

PM Imran Khan said it is clear that India is exploiting Pakistan’s weak economic situation and has been actively lobbying against Pakistan at the FATF
Amber Rahim Shamsi @AmberRShamsi

For this reason, Pakistan can not afford war but is looking to actively galvanise Western governments and public opinion on the violations in Kashmir, and is preparing an airtight legal case before the UN General Assembly session.
Amber Rahim Shamsi @AmberRShamsi

PM Imran Khan revealed that it was Senator Lindsey Graham who facilitates the meeting with US President Donald Trump and that the offer of mediation on Kashmir triggered India to revoke Article 370.
Amber Rahim Shamsi @AmberRShamsi

PM IK said that it’s likely India has made a historic mistake: the situation in South Asia is volatile, with a 50/50 chance of either limited conventional war or a golden opportunity to solve the issue of Kashmir once and for all.

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Postby panduranghari » 09 Aug 2019 12:10

Late Varsha Bhosle would have been pleased with abrogation of art.370

https://www.rediff.com/news/dec/04varsha.htm

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Postby mmasand » 09 Aug 2019 12:14

Shanmukh wrote:https://twitter.com/LiamByrneMP/status/1159082763389218816

Any idea who this cretin is? I get it that he is a British MP, but what is his takleef about Article 370? Or is this a case of empiritis?


Labour MP for Brum(Birmingham), he's running for Mayor. Google Sparkhill and you'll get your answers.

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Postby Anujan » 09 Aug 2019 12:19

Big dilemma for Pakistan. Should they use their army (which has not won anything) against India? Or should they use their legal team (which has not won anything) against India?

Apparently Bilal Soofi (the fella in Imran Khan's special committee for diplomacy which contains 3 people from the Army and no Kashmiris) charged 1 billion rupees to argue the Reko Diq case and lost the $6 Billion judgement. Shiver SDREs!!! He is coming for you next with an air-tight case.

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Postby pankajs » 09 Aug 2019 12:23

There is another plan to win it for Bakistan

https://twitter.com/SeharShinwari/statu ... 9662084096
Sehar Shinwari @SeharShinwari

Today, India is important for US and West because they have 1.3 billion population which is a big market for their products. I believe every Pakistani should adopt polygamy and give birth to at least 10 kids per wife. A large population will have large attention from globe.

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Postby pgbhat » 09 Aug 2019 12:31

Anujan wrote:Big dilemma for Pakistan. Should they use their army (which has not won anything) against India? Or should they use their legal team (which has not won anything) against India?

Apparently Bilal Soofi (the fella in Imran Khan's special committee for diplomacy which contains 3 people from the Army and no Kashmiris) charged 1 billion rupees to argue the Reko Diq case and lost the $6 Billion judgement. Shiver SDREs!!! He is coming for you next with an air-tight case.


For Bakis prep is for either low intensity conflict or a nuclear war. Indians have started to play in between that now, which is frustrating Bakis.

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Postby pankajs » 09 Aug 2019 12:43

Even the low intensity conflict was made untenable with Balakot.

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Postby chetak » 09 Aug 2019 12:48

News18 Verified account @CNNnews18

#NewsAlert - Pakistan can restore diplomatic ties with India if New Delhi reviews its decision on the abrogation of #Article370: Pak Foreign Minister, Shah Mehmood Qureshi.

#PakUnderPressure

4:59 AM - 8 Aug 2019




and the Indian reply :mrgreen:

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Postby pankajs » 09 Aug 2019 12:49

Je kya ho raha hai bhaijan(s) .... UN talking up Shimla Agreement!


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Postby Dumal » 09 Aug 2019 13:07

CRamS wrote:I would say among all the TV anchors in India, Rahul Shivshankar of TimesNow is the most articulate...

If the traitors in collusion with TSP and other India haters succeed in disrupting peace, all bets are off...


I took the bait and listened... all you are doing with this “all bets are off” pronouncement is just to rehash what the anchor on TV concluded his program with! Not the crux of the analysis that was totally gung-ho about where we are.

If there is violence, it will obviously be fodder for news channels and it will be what they look out for with eagle eyes. But please don’t conflate that with how the government will deal with it and how we would be prepared for all that and much more.

These sort of flippant use of phrases like “all bets are off” reflects poorly on us.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 09 Aug 2019 14:22

^^what if we review and see get lost or american way FU

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Postby schinnas » 09 Aug 2019 14:50

CRamS wrote:I would say among all the TV anchors in India, Rahul Shivshankar of TimesNow is the most articulate, most watchable, most balanced, his obvious pro-ModiJi leaning notwithstanding.
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I assume that you do not watch WION. Palki Sharma of WION is the best anchor and amongst commercial channels they provide the most balanced and indepth analysis, especially in their Gravitas program. Nobody comes close in comparison.

WION is India's attempt to create our own global news channel similar to RT or Al JAzeera.

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Postby Karthik S » 09 Aug 2019 14:55

schinnas wrote:
CRamS wrote:I would say among all the TV anchors in India, Rahul Shivshankar of TimesNow is the most articulate, most watchable, most balanced, his obvious pro-ModiJi leaning notwithstanding.
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I assume that you do not watch WION. Palki Sharma of WION is the best anchor and amongst commercial channels they provide the most balanced and indepth analysis, especially in their Gravitas program. Nobody comes close in comparison.

WION is India's attempt to create our own global news channel similar to RT or Al JAzeera.


Wasn't she with IBN before? Anyway, I think WION is a bit centrist not like RT or ALJ.

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Postby UlanBatori » 09 Aug 2019 15:10

A_Gupta wrote:^^^^ re: Pakistanlessness - Modi won re-election in part for delivering a Pakistan in each home.

OK: new slogan:
"Put pakistans where they belong"

Separate pakistans into Boys' and Girls'!

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Postby Vikas » 09 Aug 2019 15:19

Read somewhere

'Don't be in a hurry to buy land in Kashmir. You may get better offer for land in Lahore in few days'

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Postby pankajs » 09 Aug 2019 15:33

From Bakistan. As usual, bluster mixed with fear.


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Postby deejay » 09 Aug 2019 15:38

kgoan wrote:
ramana wrote:kgoan, You think monkey trap has been sprung?


Ramana, it's almost textbook isn't it? Dimran is to the Pak mil in politics as LeT-and-renamed-friends are in Jihadi terms - same folk in mufti. Madam shrieking as human rights minister? Among their own, they lack even plausible deniability these days.

On the other hand, the Pak mil survived the "true" jihadi's despite spending ten years under mushy killing greener muslims on behal of Amreeka Bahadur, but can they survive this?

What they claim they've been fighting for literally doesn't exist anymore.

The Soviets used to say about the Americans that if "communism didn't exist they'd have to invent it". Meaning the US system needed an enemy to justify their impeium. Any enemy. We've seen that's true. The Soviet Union isn't even a memory - but the Ruski as enemy is absolute.

The Pakees RAPE/Mil combine need a Kashmir. They must have one for their system to work. So they'll need to invent one.

And that good folk, is I think, Modi and Co's true genius. Taking away their "raisins dieter" -- and controlling their adoption, during their desperation, of a new one.


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Postby pankajs » 09 Aug 2019 15:56

Jee-hard .... Jay kya hui gawa!

I had to read more than twice to be certain. Has this part of original deal been stressed by the UN anytime in the recent past. I certainly don't recall. Initially I thought TOI had quotes UN officials from the distant past. I read and re-read the UN secretary General and his spokesperson's name more than twice to convince myself that we hearing from the incumbents! Very unusual but then I don't follow these things with regularity..

The stress on Shimla agreement by itself was good enough from India POV. Bhell, till yesterday most bakis and some anti-Modi Indian commentators were of the view that that bleddy Mudi has thrown the Shimla agreement into the dustbin by this actions and now it is free for all.

Un as well as the rest of the world is essentially asking for status quo on the new status quo. The rest is fluff which one expects from organizations like UN. No sweat. Theek hai.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 602296.cms
How India nixed United Nations in Jammu & Kashmir
Late on Thursday night, UN secretary General Antonio Guterres' spokesperson Stephane Dujarric has said - The Council's Resolution 47 adopted on April 21, 1948, said Pakistan should withdraw its nationals from Kashmir before a plebiscite can be held. Pakistan, however, continues to occupy a significant part of Kashmir making a plebiscite impossible.

Since then, India has said a plebiscite was moot because of Pakistan's continued occupation and because Kashmiris have had their say in state and national elections.

"The Secretary-General also recalls the 1972 Agreement on bilateral relations between India and Pakistan, also known as the Simla Agreement, which states that the final status of Jammu and Kashmir is to be settled by peaceful means, in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations" Dujarric said.

While calling for maximum restraint, "the Secretary-General is also concerned over reports of restrictions on the Indian-side of Kashmir, which could exacerbate the human rights situation in the region," he said.

The Charter provisions directly applicable to the India-Pakistan situation require members to settle their disputes by peaceful means and to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity of any nation.

The Charter also says that UN cannot "intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state. This is a slam dunk against a prospective Pakistani expedition to fish in troubled waters and a win for Indian diplomacy.
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Postby UlanBatori » 09 Aug 2019 15:59

I dont understand the takleef. AFAIK, half the prime property in Mumbai and Dilli is owned by Pakis and now they can buy up freely in KV and achieve by counterfeit currency what they could not achieve by imported weapons.

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Postby UlanBatori » 09 Aug 2019 16:09

^^ The chankian Yoo Enn Secretary-Jarnail led Pakis by the nose only to get them where he could kick them in the musharraf. Started by expressing "conjarn" about Indian actions, leading to wild celebrations. Then, 2 days later, expanded upon that above and below with total jhapads.

The Shimla agreement and 1948 agreement have now been brought out into the open.


Just so that the New Gen here understands, this "1948 UN Resolution" which was the ceasefire of 1948, laid out a sequence very precisely.

1. Cessation of hostilities.
2 Withdrawal of **ALL** Foreign types from ALL of the territory.
3. INDIA to control and enforce law and order in **ALL** of the territory.
4. Make it possible for refugees to return and reclaim their property and live in peace.
5. And THEN... a plebiscite to determine what Kashmiris really wanted: join India, join Pakistan or stay independent.


Neither items 1 nor 2 have happened: Pakis simply flooded J-K and northern areas with so-called "tribals" (Taliban) trash, controlled with their Army, and kept looting and raping.

So this is the first time the UN has come right out and looked up that document and slammed it in the face of the Pakis.
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Postby vijayk » 09 Aug 2019 16:10

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnis ... reedom-2-0
FATAH: India wins freedom 2.0

A major shift took place in the Indian subcontinent on Monday when the government of India revoked the special status it had conferred on its only Muslim-majority state – the State of Jammu and Kashmir (J&K).

In doing so, India demonstrated a spinal cord of steel, this coming after 1,000 years of Arab, Turkic, Persian and Afghan Islamic invasions, followed by Portuguese, French and British colonization, had reduced it to mere spaghetti.

India today stands as tall as the Himalayas and walks as gracefully as the Bengal tiger.

Khan told a joint session of the Pakistan parliament, “if we fight a war till we shed the last drop of our blood, who will win that war? No one will win it and it will have grievous consequences for the entire world,” he thundered. Then, as if to mollify his threat of a worldwide nuclear catastrophe, Khan fooled no one by insisting: “This is not nuclear blackmail.”

Khan then played the race card: “What they (Indian government) did in Kashmir is in accordance with their ideology. They have a racist ideology … ingrained in their ideology that puts Hindus above all other religions and seeks to establish a state that represses all other religious groups.”


Acting in good faith and making India secular to accommodate its Muslim minority, for decades its Hindu leaders distanced themselves from their heritage. India’s first education minister came from a family in Mecca that claimed to be a direct descendent of Prophet Muhammad.

In fact, India is the only major civilizational country where you are systematically taught to hate your heritage and glorify the invaders who came to destroy it. And this absurdity is called “secularism.”

Anyone standing up for the rights of India’s Hindu heritage of its indigenous and aboriginal population, who took pride in their ancient Vedic texts was labelled by the slur of being an “ultra-right Hindu nationalist,” while those who propagated the total Islamization of India under the Arab doctrine of “Ghazwa-e-Hind” and the eradication of every Hindu Temple were free to claim such hate as being their “right” to practice their faith.

But in the words of Bob Dylan, “the times, they are a changing.” India has finally won its freedom from the clutches of those who mock its heritage and wish it harm.

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby UlanBatori » 09 Aug 2019 16:14

Continuing, on the 1948 events. The only point that Pakis saw was

Instrument of Accession by Hindu King to be replaced by Plebiscite among mostly Muslim population


So pakis being pakis they drove out all non-Hindus and flooded the place with non-Kashmiri Bissfools - all to prepare for the Free and Fair Elections, like Musharraf in Gujranwala. As kgoan said.... :rotfl:

Stupid Indian netas meanwhile tried to stick to the Letter of Da UN resolution by prohibiting non-Kashmiris from settling in Kashmir, and allowing the terrorists to drive out most Hindus. Like Boy Hu Stood On Da Burning Deck.

In all these decades I have **NEVER** seen the UN mention the real terms of the resolution.
So what happened? India decided to quit waiting for UN, and normalized the rights of Kashmir, while demonstrating that Paki adventurism would result in improved parking in Isloo and Pindi. And voila! UN remembers the 1948 agreement's precise terms. :mrgreen:

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Postby rgosain » 09 Aug 2019 16:19

UlanBatori wrote:^^ The chankian Yoo Enn Secretary-Jarnail led Pakis by the nose only to get them where he could kick them in the musharraf. Started by expressing "conjarn" about Indian actions, leading to wild celebrations. Then, 2 days later, expanded upon that above and below with total jhapads.

The Shimla agreement and 1948 agreement have now been brought out into the open.


Just so that the New Gen here understands, this "1948 UN Resolution" which was the ceasefire of 1948, laid out a sequence very precisely.

1. Cessation of hostilities.
2 Withdrawal of **ALL** Foreign types from ALL of the territory.
3. INDIA to control and enforce law and order in **ALL** of the territory.
4. Make it possible for refugees to return and reclaim their property and live in peace.
5. And THEN... a plebiscite to determine what Kashmiris really wanted: join India, join Pakistan or stay independent.


Neither items 1 nor 2 have happened: Pakis simply flooded J-K and northern areas with so-called "tribals" (Taliban) trash, controlled with their Army, and kept looting and raping.

So this is the first time the UN has come right out and looked up that document and slammed it in the face of the Pakis.

Also not forgetting
6) gifting cok to the chinese and the areas adjacent to that...start by returning that to the status quo ante

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby chetak » 09 Aug 2019 16:20

an attempt to whitewash nehru's rather dubious role in the accession of cashmere and downplay his true and motivated contribution


How Kashmir was won from Mountbatten & Jinnah



How Kashmir was won from Mountbatten & Jinnah

Lord Mountbatten was the first person to raise the issue of the future of the state of Jammu and Kashmir with Maharaja Hari Singh once the partition plan was announced on June 3, 1947.

07 Aug 2019.

India expected Britain to use its influence on Pakistan to call off aggression in J&K, but Clement Attlee, PM of UK, refused to intervene and suggested Nehru to rely on “proper channel” of the United Nations.

By Avinash Mohananey

History consists of a corpus of ascertained facts. The facts are available to the historians in documents, inscriptions and so on, like fish on fishmonger’s slab. The historian collects them, takes them home and cooks and serves them in whatever style appeals to him,” wrote the famous historian EH Carr in 1961. It is so true even today. It is not new that historical facts have been cherry-picked and opinions let loose like unbridled horses. One witnessed it so since last evening on Jammu and Kashmir – everyone seemed to be an expert on the subject without even knowing the facts. What I propose to do is to place the facts in their historical context and my understanding of the same and leave it to the judgement of readers to make their own interpretation.

Lord Mountbatten was the first person to raise the issue of the future of the state of Jammu and Kashmir with Maharaja Hari Singh once the partition plan was announced on June 3, 1947. On return from his trip to Srinagar (June 19 – 23, 1947), Mountbatten briefed his staff that Hari Singh was politically very elusive and avoided meeting on last day pretending colic pain. Mountbatten claimed to have told Hari Singh that he should not declare independence but find a way out to ascertain the wishes of the people and send representatives to either of the constituent assemblies before August 14.

He went on to say that the newly created state department was prepared to give assurance that if Kashmir went to Pakistan this would not be regarded as an unfriendly act.

A questionable assertion of Mountbatten that is not borne by the correspondence Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel, who headed the state department, was having with Hari Singh. On July 3, 1947, Patel had proposed to Hari Singh that the interest of Kashmir lay in joining the Indian Union and its constituent assembly without further delay. To allay apprehensions of the Maharaja, Patel reminded him that Nehru was proud of being Kashmiri and he can never be your enemy. The same day, Patel had also raised the issue of continued detention of Sheikh Abdullah with Ramchandra Kak, PM of J&K, seeking his release.

Giving an entirely different version of his discussions, Mountbatten told Jawaharlal Nehru on June 24, 1947, that he had told Hari Singh not to decide on joining any constituent assembly till Pakistan constituent assembly was set up and the picture became clearer. He had also suggested that in the interim Hari Singh should not declare independence and enter into “standstill” agreement with both the new states. And this is exactly what the Maharaja did. He signed the agreement with Pakistan and avoided discussion on the same with India.

Earlier, Mountbatten had stonewalled the requests of Nehru to visit the state to ensure release of his friend Sheikh Abdullah, who was arrested by Hari Singh on May 19, 1946, when he was on way to Delhi on the invitation of Nehru. Nevertheless, Nehru gave a note to Mountbatten before his departure for Srinagar on June 17 in which he clearly brought out that “National Conference has stood for and still stands for Kashmir joining the constituent assembly of India”. Later, Mountbatten very reluctantly allowed Gandhi to go there in August, only after seeking assurance that the latter would not indulge in any political activity during his stay there. Soon after release by Maharaja on Sept 29, 1947, Sheikh Abdullah rejected the proposal of Jinnah asking him to support merger of Kashmir with Pakistan.

Maharaja’s game plan of keeping the state independent became vulnerable once Pakistan was formed on August 14. Jinnah made approaches through intermediaries with the Maharaja to join Pakistan, but without success. Among the Muslim leadership in the state, Jinnah could never develop a relationship with Sheikh Abdullah, as he wanted to be the sole spokesman of Muslims and, unlike Sheikh, believed in religion being the basis of nationhood. He always believed that Kashmir was a ripe fruit which would fall into his lap keeping in mind religious affinity, geographical location and economic connectivity.

The only other option available to Pakistan was to use force. In September 1947, Pakistan first blocked the supplies of essentials (food, petrol and clothing) to the state and thereafter sent tribal raiders to take control of the state on October 22. As the fear of losing his state to raiders gripped the Maharaja, he signed the Instrument of Accession and left for safety to Jammu. India accepted the Instrument of Accession on October 26 that gave it three subjects of defence, foreign affairs and communication. Simultaneously, the Maharaja had to appoint Sheikh Abdullah, the most popular leader, as Emergency Administrator.

Jinnah was furious and wanted Pakistan Army to march towards Srinagar, but could not get it implemented, as the force was at that time headed by British officers, who threatened to pull out if the order was not withdrawn.

Thereafter, for the first time, the offer of plebiscite was made by India during the meeting of Lord Mountbatten, Governor General of India and Mohammad Ali Jinnah, Governor General of Pakistan on November 1, 1947, at Lahore, which was promptly rejected by the latter. Jinnah made a counter offer, which was unacceptable to India, of holding of plebiscite supervised by the two Governor Generals. With Sheikh Abdullah in power, India was confident that Muslims in the state would not vote for Pakistan in any plebiscite and had no hesitation in proposing the same. For the same reason, Jinnah was opposed to holding of plebiscite with Sheikh Abdullah as Emergency Administrator.

After several acrimonious exchanges of correspondence and two meetings between Nehru and Liaquat Ali Khan, Prime Minister of Pakistan, India realised that there was little hope of resolving the issue diplomatically with Pakistan. Militarily, it was necessary to strike at the supply lines of invaders passing through Pakistan, which meant a war between the two dominions.

But Britain was averse to any hostilities breaking out between two of its former colonies. Britain feared losing frontier with their new enemy, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, and strategic control of Indian Ocean.

India expected Britain to use its influence on Pakistan to call off aggression in J&K, but Clement Attlee, PM of UK, refused to intervene and suggested Nehru to rely on “proper channel” of the United Nations.

Left with no option, India lodged a formal complaint to the UN on January1, 1948, demanding directions to Pakistan to deny to invaders use of its territory, desist from extending military and other support and prevent Pakistan military and civil personnel from taking part in invasion of Kashmir.

Therefore, in my understanding, the three main culprits for the Kashmir conflict of 1947 and division of state were Lord Mountbatten, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Governor General of Pakistan and Maharaja Hari Singh. On the other side, the three tall leaders, who played a crucial role at that time in getting the state for us were Sheikh Abdullah, Jawaharlal Nehru and Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel.

(The writer is a former Intelligence Bureau officer, who served in Pakistan and Kashmir)
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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby UlanBatori » 09 Aug 2019 16:27

The leaders were the soldiers who put their lives on the line stopping the scum and rolling back the invasion, while all these oiseules did their usual champagne-sipping thing. Sardar Patel tried, the rest would not even listen. May they rot in Houristan

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby vijayk » 09 Aug 2019 16:42


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Can we shutdown these jihadi channel?

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Re: Articles 370 and 35A Repealed, J&K and Ladakh to be Separate Union Territories

Postby pankajs » 09 Aug 2019 16:49

https://www.thefridaytimes.com/pakistan ... -of-truth/
Pakistan’s moment of truth
If somebody was planning to hit Pakistan at a weak moment in its history, August 5 was probably the best time. Pakistan’s international isolation is evident; when India announced to formally annex Jammu and Kashmir and end its special status as promised by the founding fathers of India, there was no country in the world except China willing to speak up. China, while urging both Pakistan and India to show restraint and remain neutral, criticised India on including Ladakh as a union territory as it affected the national sovereignty of China.
Even China only spoke on Ladhakh with some clarity. Everything else was the usual fluff.
During the entire crisis there was no soul searching on why Modi’s administration felt so empowered to take an action which had been left unaddressed for many years. Did India make a move at a time when Pakistani polity was extremely polarized, national economy in shambles and the diplomatic isolation almost complete?

While India made this move in complete disregard of its commitments to the Kashmiri people, Pakistan’s options are limited and actions only symbolic.

The only hope is the legal recourse in the Indian Supreme Court, solidarity of the Indian opposition and the resistance of the Kashmiris. With the sword of Damocles of grey and possibly black list by FATF hanging over Pakistan, the last thing the country can afford is to encourage non-state actors to cause any trouble in India.

Pakistan needs to learn from this debacle and move on. We must accept that there is no such thing as conscience, morality and brotherhood in international statecraft. It is all about hard and soft powers your state carries. [b]Our permanent rulers have weakened Pakistan economically and politically to unprecedented proportions. There are no quick fixes, no magic wands and no short cuts[/b].
For a baki he does have some sense but will his country folks fed on a steady diet of 3D superiority heed his call?
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