J&K Union Territory-2019

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 17 Aug 2019 00:51

mmasand wrote:Just to clear the air, the UK did not back Pakistan, they merely reserved judgement (abstain). Russia among the P5 rejected the efforts of US, Dominican Republic, and France to have an informal consultation. They wanted to shine in their moment, and play a balancing game with China, the Russian Deputy Rep prior to entering the meeting did remark it was a bilateral matter.

Effectively China was the only country to support Pakistan.

Was under the impression that UK wanted a public statement.
Since this is a closed door meet with no records, how do we know exactly who said what? Is it by way of interview of the concerned representatives?

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 17 Aug 2019 00:52

And no statement on the record either? Is that where the matter ends?

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 17 Aug 2019 00:54

Bart S wrote:And no statement on the record either? Is that where the matter ends?

There is no statement. End of story, hopefully

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 17 Aug 2019 00:55

https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/11 ... 4016004099

Katie Hopkins

@KTHopkins

Pakistani protest at White House over #Kashmir

“Modi is killing innocent terrorists”

Summarising the India v Pakistan conflict in one succinct phrase.

Paki bimbos

mmasand · Post by **mmasand** » 17 Aug 2019 00:56

Bart S wrote:And no statement on the record either? Is that where the matter ends?

Since it's not a formal meet, the onus of a statement is on the non-permanent and permanent members. China exercised it's right to make a statement without revealing the deliberations of the meeting. Pakistan as the original non-member of the request for a meeting, made a statement, India as a party to the topic made a statement. In effect, this is the last the UN will entertain until there is consensus among the 15 members to have an open discussion in the UNSC.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 17 Aug 2019 01:00

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Katie Hopkins

@KTHopkins

Sir

The violence of the majority Pakistani crowd outside the Indian Embassy was shocking yet unsurprising given the state of Londonistan.
Decent Brits stand with India and celebrate the scrapping of #Article370. I apologise for our Muslim Mayor

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Thousands of murderous #Pakistan thugs who were bussed in from all over #Britain tried to force their way into #India High Commission. This was a planned assault allowed under #London Mayor Sadiq Khan's watch. #Londonistan just got more dangerous on 15 August. @UKinIndia

venkat_r · Post by **venkat_r** » 17 Aug 2019 01:55

LovedIndia’s reply at UN - it was more of a time pass and also to know who stands where.

Is there a link to US’s stand? It’s time to put them in their place, let’s divide and rule, time tighten the bolts on UK and China.

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 17 Aug 2019 02:01

So what does one make of recent Russian actions? The support for the “informal discussions on Kashmir”, by Russia, the negative coverage of the issue on Russia Today - is Russia putting India on notice not to take its support for granted? Is the UN relevant anymore?

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 17 Aug 2019 02:13

DD News Video: Syed Akhabruddin response after UNSC closed door meet:

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 17 Aug 2019 02:18

Vivek K wrote:So what does one make of recent Russian actions? The support for the “informal discussions on Kashmir”, by Russia, the negative coverage of the issue on Russia Today - is Russia putting India on notice not to take its support for granted? Is the UN relevant anymore?

They are trying to be too clever by half and play both sides.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Aug 2019 02:27

How strongly has India come out on the side of Syria? Yemen? Iran? Donbass? Artic melting land-grab tamasha? This was a non-event, didn't matter what anyone fa*ted. Malleeha and Dimran trying to say "yummy!" at the pie in their faces.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 17 Aug 2019 02:29

SyedJi scored sixer after sixer. Simply outstanding. Only grip was he was a tad over excited by going and shaking those filthy Paki hands. In the end, this UN s@it was a thusssssss pataki as far as TSP went.

Now action will shift to hot air cacophony debates on Indian TV. Pappu's and Queen Mandam's quislings and assorted BIF busy bodies will start howling "Kashmir is internationalized" crap. And irony is they are the ones who would actually like it to be

. But any dog bone to beat ModiJi with is passe

.

Roop · Post by **Roop** » 17 Aug 2019 02:40

mmasand wrote:... the Russian Deputy Rep prior to entering the meeting did remark it was a bilateral matter.

Well, it was wrong of Russia to say that. The fact is, all these things (Articles 370, 35A and related discussions) are an internal matter for India; nothing bilateral about it.

I think we should be prepared for Russia (over the next decade or so) to transition from a friendly power to a semi-hostile one, working in concert with countries like China and Turkey.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 17 Aug 2019 02:43

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 113302.ece
it appears except China no one came against India

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Aug 2019 02:46

People here are still looking for "approval" from Russia, UK, US, France, Somalia, Nauru, Fiji for "Kashmir"policy. Sad. When someone says: "Its a bilateral matter", it just means: "ain't none of our bijnej".

mmasand · Post by **mmasand** » 17 Aug 2019 02:54

Roop wrote:
mmasand wrote:... the Russian Deputy Rep prior to entering the meeting did remark it was a bilateral matter.
Well, it was wrong of Russia to say that. The fact is, all these things (Articles 370, 35A and related discussions) are an internal matter for India; nothing bilateral about it.

I think we should be prepared for Russia (over the next decade or so) to transition from a friendly power to a semi-hostile one, working in concert with countries like China and Turkey.

He was referring to the territorial dispute, you have to read what the consultation was based on, not Article 370, but the consequence of India exercising it's sovereignty over J&K which the UN categorises as disputed (thanks Nehru).

Rishirishi · Post by **Rishirishi** » 17 Aug 2019 03:35

Sumeet wrote:DD News Video: Syed Akhabruddin response after UNSC closed door meet:

BURNOL

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 17 Aug 2019 05:04

UlanBatori wrote:How strongly has India come out on the side of Syria? Yemen? Iran? Donbass? Artic melting land-grab tamasha? This was a non-event, didn't matter what anyone fa*ted. Malleeha and Dimran trying to say "yummy!" at the pie in their faces.

UlanBatori wrote:People here are still looking for "approval" from Russia, UK, US, France, Somalia, Nauru, Fiji for "Kashmir"policy. Sad. When someone says: "Its a bilateral matter", it just means: "ain't none of our bijnej".

At last some sanity, from Mongolia no less

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Aug 2019 05:17

For Teetar ppls: Ask Maleeha Begum how shocking it was that someone copied her entire thesis BEFORE she had written it.
Notorious 1980s party girl. "Knew" anyone who had their Jugular Vein out.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Aug 2019 05:25

Hundi reports clashes - at Soura again. I have a strong suspicion that these are from March, since it is from an AFP report and HUNDI has a record of stabbing India in the back.
If Soura is the Center of Terrorism, maybe it is a prime candidate for a sponsored bus tour of the Maldives?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Aug 2019 05:55

Hu eej this?

Lucknow Cops Stall Magsaysay Award Winner Turd's Kashmir Protest Plan, Second Time In A Week

India News | Written by Alok Pandey | Friday August 16, 2019

A Magsaysay Award-winning social activist turd has been confined to his pakistan in Lucknow this evening by the city police, over a planned demonstration to protest against the scrapping of Jammu and Kashmir's special status under Article 370.

Sandeep Pandey was originally supposed to lead the protest, "Sh!ts for Kashmir", at Lucknow's GPO Park on Sunday evening

Mr Pandey had won the Magsaysay Award in 2002 under the emergent leadership category. However, he later returned its cash component following criticism that he had accepted the award despite knowing that it is financed by the Ford Foundation, a United States-based organisation.

The social activist has often termed the United States' action of taking military action against other countries without the consent of the United Nations as "state terrorism".

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 17 Aug 2019 06:16

UlanBatori wrote:Hu eej this?
Lucknow Cops Stall Magsaysay Award Winner Turd's Kashmir Protest Plan, Second Time In A Week

India News | Written by Alok Pandey | Friday August 16, 2019

A Magsaysay Award-winning social activist turd has been confined to his pakistan in Lucknow this evening by the city police, over a planned demonstration to protest against the scrapping of Jammu and Kashmir's special status under Article 370.

Sandeep Pandey was originally supposed to lead the protest, "Sh!ts for Kashmir", at Lucknow's GPO Park on Sunday evening

Mr Pandey had won the Magsaysay Award in 2002 under the emergent leadership category. However, he later returned its cash component following criticism that he had accepted the award despite knowing that it is financed by the Ford Foundation, a United States-based organisation.

The social activist has often termed the United States' action of taking military action against other countries without the consent of the United Nations as "state terrorism".

quite a history

https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/opin ... othschilds

Today, Rothschild & Co funds units of the so-called “civil society” in India that control the narrative on what constitutes “human rights violations”. (Hint: Anything Hindus do is a violation of human rights unless it benefits those who wield power in America and Europe.) One organisation it funds is Prerana, which lists Asha for Education as a partner on its website. In 2002, the founder of Asha for Education, Sandeep Pandey, attended the party congress of the Naxalite group Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist)-Liberation and called for the unity of “revolutionary” organisations. CPI(ML)-L openly advocates an “armed revolution” and its stated objectives include the use of “illegal” methods and raising an army to wage a war against India. At their 2002 meeting, the party also honoured “comrade martyrs” or terrorists killed in action.

Like Amartya Sen, some in the UPA were aligned with the group friendly to the Naxalites and had Naxalite supporters on Sonia Gandhi’s National Advisory Council. It is fitting that the government which was based on Amartya Sen’s economic policies ended up with the same track record as his family business—a trail of deals that enriched the wealthiest people in the world at the cost of the poorer people in the country.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Aug 2019 06:27

My bad, triggering that. My initial curiosity was "which Magsaysay Traitor?" and that was answered when I clicked on the link: The One And Only Stinker Undie.
Bugger has been planning his trip to Kashmir for decades. Back in 2001 IIRC he planned a Padayatra there - by car of course. Collected some Rs. 20 or 30 lakhs from suckers for the same.
Him "returning" the Mag.. award cash is really rich given all the baksheesh he has collected for His Fake Holiness.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Aug 2019 06:31

Finally, someone is doing what needed to be done:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 62561.html

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Aug 2019 07:02

Don't know if this was posted.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 688492.cms

Severe media restrictions, both local and international and even apathy has ensured that Pakistan has been able to act with impunity in this region.

Thus, the state subject rule has been held in abeyance in GB since the 1970s. This was done to deliberately dilute the Shia/Ismaili character of the region by facilitating the migration of a large number of Sunnis from Pakistan. From 1998 to 2011, due to large-scale migration, it is estimated that the population in GB surged by 63 per cent, as against 22 per cent in so-called 'AJK', where the State Subject Rule was still in force. This kind of social engineering has led to severe sectarian strife especially under General Zia and later on as in 2012, as well as dilution of the local culture and identity.

Among Pakistan's machinations that have been violative of the UNSC resolutions are the following:

(i) It manipulated letters of accession from the Mirs of Nagar and Hunza even though they had no power of accession since they were under the suzerainty of the Maharaja of J&K. Yet, it suppressed these letters from the UN hoping to include these areas in th ..

Painful to copy from Econocomic Crimes.

Rana · Post by **Rana** » 17 Aug 2019 07:28

The next step should be to rename the UT as Kasmira, it's historic name. Imagine the frustration of the padosi mulk when they talk about the "Kashmir" problem, and there is no such place, other than the Pakistani Occupied Remaining Kashmir (PORK).

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 17 Aug 2019 08:01

https://www.thefridaytimes.com/the-curs ... e-kashmir/

Yet, despite continued efforts by the Arab republics in Palestine, the Pakistani state in Kashmir and the Iranian efforts in Middle East more broadly, pan-Islamism has been a complete and utter failure.

The only Muslim countries that turned away from this ethno-religious philosophy – namely Malaysia, Turkey, Indonesia, Bangladesh and Turkmenistan – have had any successes in developing their economies.

We must understand that politics of a nation state outside our borders, be it India, Israel or America, is of no material concern to the starving, struggling and impoverished populace of Pakistan. Despite our cry for a plebiscite in Kashmir for over seven decades, the only realistic solution to the problem was to keep the borders at their current levels.

As far as the notion of an Independent Kashmir, pseudo liberals must understand that a small nation such as Kashmir, being in charge of the entire Pakistani water supply, would never be acceptable to the Pakistan either.

Moreover, if gross violations against minority Muslim populations was really an issue, why are we silent on Turkey’s persecution of the Kurds, the Chinese atrocities against Uighur’s in Xinjiang, the annexation of Kalat, Syrian tyranny under Assad and the Hazara genocide in our own backyard? Do Muslims only get persecuted when the perpetrator is an unfriendly nation?

In Pakistan’s struggle for Kashmir, we have fought over three wars in 1947, 1965 and 1999 to no avail. In order to maintain that struggle, and our enmity against India, we spend over a fifth of our total budget on the military (highest percentage in the world, as recorded by the World Bank). Over seventy years, this never-ending cycle has impoverished our population. On a per capita basis, we are now officially poorer than Bangladesh, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Kenya, Nigeria, Uzbekistan, Mongolia, Vietnam, Laos, and Egypt. Due to the Pakistani state’s soft hand on Kashmir, we have gained a reputation for funding terrorism, wooing away any possibility of significant foreign investment and trade. Finally, instead of imparting education, the Pakistani state has relentlessly continued a campaign of supporting militant camps under the guise of seminaries, in order to assist in an impossible war.

Finally, let us see what Kashmir ever really gained out of these actions.

Short answer, nothing.

That said, Pakistan has a strategic interest in maintaining control over the water ways which run through Kashmir. Any effects of annexation must be neutral in their impact towards the Indus Water Treaty. Since this is a real national interest concern, the Pakistani government should obtain guarantees from the international community, the United States, India and China specifically to protect the water flows which cultivate our economy.

While Indian annexation might be a violation of human rights, there is a huge silver lining missed in all the fuss: the possibility of long-lasting peace in the subcontinent.

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 17 Aug 2019 08:37

Clearly there were many wheels within wheels, and each one at the table had their own axe to grind. But the net result was a fantastic snub to both China and Pakistan. Now this "informal consultation" can be used as a precedent to get any Kashmir issue at the UN to be thrown out. With this action I think the Pakis (with their masters the Chinese) have set into motion the process to get J&K off the UN's agenda.

Also don't forget that India MEA had informed the UNSC sitting members including P5 about our take on 370 on the 6th of August itself, i.e. well ahead of yesterday's meeting plans. Full credit to MEA for locking down the hatches.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 17 Aug 2019 09:05

I think more than Deterrence Thread this Twitter article of Mupalla ji is more relevant here:

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1162281659321868288?s=20

@ANI
#WATCH: Defence Minister Rajnath Singh says in Pokhran, "Till today, our nuclear policy is 'No First Use'. What happens in the future depends on the circumstances."

https://twitter.com/VMuppi/status/11624 ... 39617?s=20

Muppalla
@VMuppi
No first use of Nuclear weapons is a draft doctrine that is an offer from India to the world. It was never meant to be adhered to when there is a nuclear blackmail. #NoMoreNFU (1/n)

Muppalla
@VMuppi
This is not the first time that India's defense minister told that India may go away from No First Use policy. Late Manohar Parrikar also said but later said he was saying at a personal level. #NoMoreNFU (2/n)

In fact during election campaign Indian Prime Minister said if they threaten with Nukes, India possess only diwali pataka or what? #NoMoreNFU (3/n)

Then why now this clarification on No First use from India's Defense Minister Shri Rajnath Singh ji?
#NoMoreNFU (4/n)

Most importantly Pakistan has stopped Nuclear blackmail after India's airstrike with spice bombs on Balakot because the engagement of India, Pakistan China, Saudi and America with respect to nukes in Pakistan. #NoMoreNFU (5/n)

Balakot and nuclear engagement is written in detail here by me in this thread. Please read again for context.
https://twitter.com/VMuppi/status/11049 ... 63840?s=20
#NoMoreNFU (6/n)

https://twitter.com/VMuppi/status/11049 ... 63840?s=20

with such a background and with Pak being Nuke Nude and remotes of Pak Nukes with other powers, why did Shri Rajnath Singh ji talk about abrogation of No First Use? Why now?
#NoMoreNFU (7/n)

The removal of Article 370 and changing the status of JK by Government is the biggest thing that alters the Global game in India centric Geopolitics.

The powers that hold the Pakistan nukes (USA, Saudi, China) may be privately hinting of putting the Nukes back in Pakistan as a threat to India's aggressive alteration of status of Jammu and Kashmir. #NoMoreNFU (9/n)

They want to ensure India does not go forward more aggressively of dismemberment of Pakistan and occupy upto Gilgit.
In this context India is warning that India will Nuke first and not stick to NFU doctrine when it sees nukes coming back to Pakistan.
#NoMoreNFU (10/n)

Kashmir is not and never was an issue between India and Pakistan. Pakistan is and was always a condom for USA, Saudi and China. Even today it these powers that are rattled by Indian move. But India seems have covered all its bases.
END
#NoMoreNFU (n/n)

OmkarC · Post by **OmkarC** » 17 Aug 2019 10:36

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/16/business ... index.html
BBC increasing its shortwave radio shows to spread anti-Indian propaganda and shamelessly flaunting it..

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 17 Aug 2019 10:41

while i like Akbaruddins twinkling of eyes and mischievious smile i think he should have hammered the following points 1) how Paki army scuttled UN resolutions by not implementing point a and b of the resolutions due to which it is now defunct. b) how paki army inspired/funded/trained terrorists did ethnic cleansing of hindus from kashmir 3) how pakistan army has ethnically cleansed Pakistan of its minorities 4) how pakistan army gave up part of indian kashmir to chinese 5) how it altered the demographics of POK 5) gave safe havens to terrorists from all over the world including OBL . should have rubbed the bloody bastars into the ground.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 17 Aug 2019 10:43

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ourbee ... tom-mills/

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 17 Aug 2019 10:49

OmkarC wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/16/business ... index.html
BBC increasing its shortwave radio shows to spread anti-Indian propaganda and shamelessly flaunting it..

I think some Indians are blinded and do not see these games being played by the west. Their Aura f neutrality is completly coming off.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 17 Aug 2019 10:55

manjgu wrote:while i like Akbaruddins twinkling of eyes and mischievious smile i think he should have hammered the following points 1) how Paki army scuttled UN resolutions by not implementing point a and b of the resolutions due to which it is now defunct. b) how paki army inspired/funded/trained terrorists did ethnic cleansing of hindus from kashmir 3) how pakistan army has ethnically cleansed Pakistan of its minorities 4) how pakistan army gave up part of indian kashmir to chinese 5) how it altered the demographics of POK 5) gave safe havens to terrorists from all over the world including OBL . should have rubbed the bloody bastars into the ground.

As he himself said, I would cut him a lot of slack. He was probably under instructions to play nice. Remember, this was UN, and India was surely lobbying behind the scenes to smother TSP/China's belligerence. So at least for the optics, he had to sound reasonable and yet firm instead of tu tu mein mein with an abomination like TSP. I give him a 9.5 / 10.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 17 Aug 2019 10:59

IndraD wrote:https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 113302.ece
it appears except China no one came against India

china basically came out for itself.

their self interest is much more evident than any genuine concern for the paki.

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 17 Aug 2019 11:02

nobody in india also highlights these points which give oxygen to false narratives. Whats unreasonable about the points mentioned? akbaruddin could not have got a better audience to hammer these points and thus conclude that UN in its wisdom did not deem fit to pursue the matter further. or atleast he can give a press conf and clarify indias position. if china can highlight human rights bla bla in kashmir , we can similarly give it back to them. China never seems to be economical with words. anyway

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 17 Aug 2019 11:22

CRamS wrote:As he himself said, I would cut him a lot of slack. He was probably under instructions to play nice. Remember, this was UN, and India was surely lobbying behind the scenes to smother TSP/China's belligerence. So at least for the optics, he had to sound reasonable and yet firm instead of tu tu mein mein with an abomination like TSP. I give him a 9.5 / 10.

Correct.

Forget the UN, just notice what Modi/GOI did in India wrt the latest move in Kashmir. While in parliament Shah listed the depravity that was allowed under A.370 and 35A, the whole narrative after that is to focus on "this will bring development to J&K". In all its recent communication even within the country it chooses to soft-peddle the harsh realities. It is always a deliberate choice in most such cases.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 17 Aug 2019 11:27

Time to watch ...

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 710014.cms
J&K: 2G mobile internet restored in five districts, landlines active in 17 valley exchanges.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 17 Aug 2019 11:57

This is a baki TVs own spliced footage. After all claims of victory, at the end, the commentator does admit "forget a resolution not even a joint statement was released at the end of the meeting". That remains the crux of the so called baki victory.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 17 Aug 2019 12:12

Here the baki is accepting defeat when he says something like "UNSC did not release any statement on the issue we took to them instead suggested that we work it out amongst ourselves". Further he says "Have the Indian got away with it (scraping A.370 & 35A)" and adds "only ground realities can change it (J&K's new normal can only be changed by war/terror)"