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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 31 Aug 2019 20:23

Hope ppl spend time visiting with Pakis on YouTube. Like I said, free-fire zone. A couple of threads have been nicely mined, Pakis have done downhill skiing so one can hammer BeeBeeSee at leisure. Please propagate the idea that BeeBeeSee and VeeOhAy (SeeAyAh channel) are nicely working with Raa: BSF in front firing teargas, videographers at back getting the footage with stone-throwers mugshots, find who are the ringleaders etc. Catch them in the act, no question of "innocence" during soccer practice later.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby CRamS » 31 Aug 2019 20:36

SriKumar wrote:Atleast one aspect of Pakistan's gameplan is becoming obvious. Methinks they want to prolong this state of security clampdown for as long as possible, and prolong it to the max. And while this is on, they can talk about the atrocities and excesses.



This has always been TSP's game plan. Provoke and when struck back, cry human rights. Just on 'rational terms', why would TSP want any sense of normalcy in the valley? They have to perpetuate the cycle of violence. Soosai attack, collateral damage in riposte by India, human right, nuke flashpoint. And as I was saying earlier, there are enough rabid KMs who hate India are TSP's willing collaborators in this enterprise.

The solution to this as we all know is to bring TSP to its knees. Or the alternative is to weed out the local trouble makers and protect those who are sick and tired of TSP's game-plan and not willing to collaborate lest ISI's stooges bludgeon them to death. That is India's current strategy. It will be ugly with useless busy bodies accusing India of all kinds of excesses, but its a small price to pay. See this report for e.g.,

https://twitter.com/i/status/1167500051989573637

India is up against the sheer, unadulterated evil of TSP that only us who are intimately involved understand.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby IndraD » 31 Aug 2019 20:40

I have now a solid hint that if India agrees to to defend Afghanistan against terrorists like Taliban, and thus allow US to withdraw its troops, then US will side with India in taking back PoK
https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1167 ... 74465?s=20

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby banrjeer » 31 Aug 2019 20:55

IndraD wrote:I have now a solid hint that if India agrees to to defend Afghanistan against terrorists like Taliban, and thus allow US to withdraw its troops, then US will side with India in taking back PoK
https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1167 ... 74465?s=20



building a land bridge to afghanistan is a very slow process due to terrain. All they need to do is advance a bit in Baltistan nothing more. This will create ripple effects ad push the Pashtuns to realign with Afghans. Other deals can also be made to start the process and revive the Durand line.

As for Chinese:
the carrot is border settlements with India and the stick is disruption of the Gwadar port which renders the highway useless.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Supratik » 31 Aug 2019 21:32

First you need to decide whether you want slice or whole. If slice you need to first block access from China.

Also Durand line is not our concern. The Pashtuns probably entered east of Khyber during the Ghaznavid empire. Bharat has always started from the Khyber.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 31 Aug 2019 21:36

Aiyyooo!! See Enn etc now absorbed in Hon Kong tamasha, and Paris tamasha competing. Flee Pless in both places.
Plus a hurricane in SE USA holding some promise for DupliCity, massive fires in Amazon and now Bolivia and Siberia.
Throw stones, get your ass whacked black& blue and no one to even report! :((

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby yensoy » 31 Aug 2019 21:48

Chinese are not interested in border settlement with India. They see opportunity in keeping the situation unresolved. They haven't even shared maps showing their claims. Chinese don't need carrot, they need stick only.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Supratik » 31 Aug 2019 21:51

Nothing should be done with China except block access to POK. Akshai chin is for another day.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 31 Aug 2019 21:59

Balwaristani Mujaheddin sitting above the Karakoram Highway doing skeet-shooting practice? :mrgreen:
Would be such poetic justice.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby KLNMurthy » 31 Aug 2019 22:27

UlanBatori wrote:Isn't there a way to have Big Brother watch all internet access I wonder? I thought they already had that. Basically anything cross-border should be shut down for these areas. Doesn't cheen already enforce such a ban? Try emailing someone in Uighuristan for instance.. Or outgoing email from Uighuristan.

Say that that all restrictions are withdrawn, but hand over complaints "response" to IndusIndb Bank "Customer Service" (toxy-moron). They will mark all problems as "Resolved" and ask the KVM to fill in the Satisfaction Survey. And then mark the surveys as 400% Extremely Satisfied. All happy.

OTOH, look at the videos shot and posted by "VOA" (CIA) on YouTube. :LOL Taken from BEHIND stone-throwers, shows them throwing stones as well as their faces. 100% proof of guilt, usable in court. Now Raa can come in and vijit Imran, Ehsan, Abdul etc at home and escort them to soccer practice at HQ. These pakis are soooo smart.

BTW, if you want a whole historical thread on British atrocities against Malaya, Iraquis, and most of all, Pakis, as well as Pakis' exemplary record in UQ, please vijit the YouTube posting of "BeeBeeSeeInvestigation Uncovers IA Atrocities" etc. :mrgreen:


WhatsApp, Telegram etc. communications are encrypted end-to-end IIUC and thus cannot be monitored in the usual way.

One way out would be to do what the Chinese are doing--armtwist the app vendors like FB into running a monitorable version for India. It could be done in a way that is compatible with democratic values if we set up a system of judicial warrants for targeted surveillance similar to Patriot Act in US. No idea if GoI tech advisors are considering such options.

Personally I believe that Indian thinking on KMs has a mental block: they really believe the pablum that KMs are just temporarily misguided & misled patriots, and if we keep things in check just a little longer, they will just come around.

The right answer according to me is to accept that the KMs are irredeemable murderous rascals who won't change anytime soon. And put in place a sensible steady-state surveillance architecture that strikes a balance between democratic values and security and public order, while providing soft landing for those who genuinely have a change of heart.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby V_Raman » 31 Aug 2019 22:29

Why do we need sswamy to tweet what we have been speculating here for a couple of years now!

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby chetak » 31 Aug 2019 22:31

IndraD wrote:I have now a solid hint that if India agrees to to defend Afghanistan against terrorists like Taliban, and thus allow US to withdraw its troops, then US will side with India in taking back PoK
https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1167 ... 74465?s=20


i am a diehard Swamy39 fan but...........

beware of greeks (amerikis) bearing gifts, no matter how well it is giftwrapped :mrgreen:

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby SriKumar » 31 Aug 2019 22:37

CRamS wrote: This has always been TSP's game plan. Provoke and when struck back, cry human rights. Just on 'rational terms', why would TSP want any sense of normalcy in the valley? They have to perpetuate the cycle of violence. Soosai attack, collateral damage in riposte by India, human right, nuke flashpoint. And as I was saying earlier, there are enough rabid KMs who hate India are TSP's willing collaborators in this enterprise.

The solution to this as we all know is to bring TSP to its knees. Or the alternative is to weed out the local trouble makers and protect those who are sick and tired of TSP's game-plan and not willing to collaborate lest ISI's stooges bludgeon them to death.

Yes, but there is a difference between previous lack of normalcy and now. This time around, instead of striking at the security forces alone, the terrorists and stone throwers would probably target any person minding his own business, because 'minding own business' is in effect, normalcy. The targets are now plentiful and it is easier to kill normalcy. In fact, there are reports to this effect already, a shopkeeper was shot dead 2 day ago; and god knows how many people were threatened by terrorists and staying indoors. Much like political goondas who enforce 'hartal' by forcing shops to close with threats of violence and hitting people on road who go about their busniess. Your bolded part above is the 'Punjab solution' I alluded to in my earlier post- not pleasant but probably the only reasonable path (your finish-TSP solution will be 100% effective, but 100X more difficult to implement). This is not an easy journey that GOI has taken up, may take years, but it had to start somewhere. The administration 10 years from now will thank this one for taking the first step.
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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Cain Marko » 31 Aug 2019 23:24

chetak wrote:
IndraD wrote:I have now a solid hint that if India agrees to to defend Afghanistan against terrorists like Taliban, and thus allow US to withdraw its troops, then US will side with India in taking back PoK
https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1167 ... 74465?s=20


i am a diehard Swamy39 fan but...........

beware of greeks (amerikis) bearing gifts, no matter how well it is giftwrapped :mrgreen:

Either that or just open the gift as soon as you receive it, preferably even before it exchanges hands.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby souravB » 01 Sep 2019 00:22

KLNMurthy wrote:
WhatsApp, Telegram etc. communications are encrypted end-to-end IIUC and thus cannot be monitored in the usual way.

One way out would be to do what the Chinese are doing--armtwist the app vendors like FB into running a monitorable version for India. It could be done in a way that is compatible with democratic values if we set up a system of judicial warrants for targeted surveillance similar to Patriot Act in US. No idea if GoI tech advisors are considering such options.

India already has few system(s) which is installed at ISP end to monitor all internet/voice/text monitoring individually and holistically est on 2008. AFAIR a cabinet secretary level babu can authorize an agency to tap anybody without anymore help from ISP/Telcos. They don't even need a court order. Also as per the report, the tech capability of the system was to store a few TBs of data so not sure whether continuous monitoring of all traffic is possible or not, but that was in 2008. In 2019, it is anybody's guess.
Whatsapp already acquiesces with GoI on many requests, India being the biggest user and all. Not so sure about Telegram. Telegram doesn't encrypt by default also it is an proprietary algo so there are chances of backdoor built into it. Why don't people just use Signal. :(

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby A_Gupta » 01 Sep 2019 00:35

Hindi
Gen. Syed Ata Hasnain vs BBC
https://youtu.be/helGUXVb0_E

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 01 Sep 2019 01:00

Stone-throwers may have passion and hate, but chances of amplifying are much smaller. Question is whether India has the will to keep the 600,000,000,0000,000 troops there and for how long.

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A_Gupta wrote:Hindi
Gen. Syed Ata Hasnain vs BBC
https://youtu.be/helGUXVb0_E


No video

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 01 Sep 2019 02:23

1500 stone-throwers released (maybe with caresses on their backsides).

According to data with the police headquarters (PHQ) in Srinagar, around 1,500 youth have been picked up and released under a continuous process across the Kashmir Valley in the past few weeks. This comes amid rising incidents of stone throwing after Id.
Political leaders

According to the official figures, accessed by The Hindu, 1,185 people, including the mainstream leaders of the National Conference (NC), Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) and Peoples Conference (PC), remain permanently detained since August 5. A total of 3,200 persons were arrested in the first three weeks, the official figures show. However, 1,500 youth, whom the police rounded up during raids and street scuffles for disturbing the law and order situation in the Valley, were held under the “revolving door mechanism”.

“Besides the permanent detentions, scores of youth were detained from a period of one day to two weeks at maximum. Such daily arrests and release from detentions are a continuous process,” a top police officer told The Hindu. The reason for the “revolving door” method, according to the police, was also “poor space in the Valley’s jails ”, despite shifting several persons, including detained militants, to Uttar Pradesh, Haryana and Delhi.

J&K government spokesperson Rohit Kansal has refused to give out any official figures on detention, saying “there were no centralised figures on arrests and the local officers deal with the situation locally”.

Akram Khan (name changed), a resident of Soura, said he was arrested on his way home after evening prayers when clashes broke out in his area in the third week of August. Mr. Khan, who returned to Kashmir to set up his own business four years ago, said he is now among dozens of youth in daytime detention, with no formal FIRs.

“He is directed to report to the Soura police station in the morning and leave it by 7 p.m. This was done because his family and he were able to establish that he had no role in any clashes,” his close relative told The Hindu. “It’s not just him but the whole family is dragged into a situation. It is a living hell on a daily basis,” he added. Around 40 local youths are being held in the Soura police station, which saw major demonstrations in second week of August.

In contrast to the government claims on the receding trend in stone-throwing incidents since August 5, official figures suggested it was “uneven and on days touch new levels”.

According to the police headquarters figures, August 19 and August 26 were the only days when the number of stone-throwing incidents came down to eight and 12, respectively. The number peaked on August 20 when 40 such incidents were reported in Srinagar alone.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby vijayk » 01 Sep 2019 03:17

Sanjay Dixit ಸಂಜಯ್ ದೀಕ್ಷಿತ್ संजय दीक्षित
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The detailed manner in which the J&K Reorganisation Bill has been drafted gives it away - such a detailed exercise is not the work of a day. It must have been in the works for at least a year or two. So the ‘system’ was working all the while.

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Postby g.sarkar » 01 Sep 2019 04:09

UlanBatori wrote:Stone-throwers may have passion and hate, but chances of amplifying are much smaller. Question is whether India has the will to keep the 600,000,000,0000,000 troops there and for how long.

Do not underestimate Narender Moody. Dimran did and look at him now.
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Street gyan in Ulan Bator is that inside a couple of years demographics in KV will be unrecognizable from todin. And the bijnej community will have no tolerance for stone-throwers.

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Postby yensoy » 01 Sep 2019 06:16

g.sarkar wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:Stone-throwers may have passion and hate, but chances of amplifying are much smaller. Question is whether India has the will to keep the 600,000,000,0000,000 troops there and for how long.

Do not underestimate Narender Moody. Dimran did and look at him now.
Gautam


That being said, consider these 3 points:
1. How long will Modi government continue to be in power; what happens if there is a regime change
2. How long can the military/paramilitary continue to maintain peace without getting fatigued, or without losing it; what happens if there is an incident that spirals out of control and leads to a somewhat heavy-handed or botched response
3. In a state of lock-down, J&K will continue to bleed the treasury - besides the excessive military expenses, there will be little oversight into civilian spending and the old abuse patterns may well resume.

Normalcy must return as soon as it possibly can. That is the urgency here. Notwithstanding the present government's willingness to keep troops in J&K for years.

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CRamS wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:Hindi
Gen. Syed Ata Hasnain vs BBC
https://youtu.be/helGUXVb0_E


No video


Sorry, should have made clear, this was an interview on BBC Hindi radio.

From twitter, https://twitter.com/BihaariBaba/status/ ... 22624?s=20
Akhand Bharat @BihaariBaba

#BREAKING
Successful surgical strike conducted by Sir @atahasnain53 inside @BBCHindi office. Thank you sir for going inside the office of BBC and showing them mirror. They have run enough of fake news. Today they tried to fix the program by allowing some Khalsa from Pak. 1/n

@atahasnain53 thrashed the BBC and rightly questioned the match being fixed by taking calls from Pakistan. Shame on BBC 2/n

@atahasnain53 There was a genuine feedback from Barmer expressing happy about India scrapping article 370. But the BBC reporter became furious and starting bashing the person. Here is the audio link for the conversation. https://vocaroo.com/i/s1YfnKL1uedc


Entire show is available on http://BBC.com but you would need to scroll to the last 30 minutes of the program when Sir
@atahasnain53 is introduced. There are several instances where BBC tried to play smart. For instance, they opened their own website.. 4/n

and started showing pictures of alleged youths being thrashed by Police. This is when enough was enough and patient Sir
@atahasnain53 had to show these BBC guys mirror. Exactly at 48.30 of the audio. Link is here https://t.co/IEga2mnerw?amp=1


"Aapko kisne certificate diya ki aap fake news nhi run karte, Pichle 25 din se BBC fake news kar rhi hai, Me bharat sarkar ke taraf se aap par ilzam laga rha hoon" BBC tried to get sir @atahasnain53 in their propaganda but sir was prepared. BBC - Me ilzam khariz karta hoon :rotfl: 49:25

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https://twitter.com/AWGoraya/status/116 ... 13120?s=20
Police arrests a drug dealer in Muzaffarabad, Kashmir. Army men in uniforms attack police. Get drug dealer released.

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Postby NRao » 01 Sep 2019 08:12

BBC is afraid it will lose its drug funding source.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

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yensoy wrote:
g.sarkar wrote:Do not underestimate Narender Moody. Dimran did and look at him now.
Gautam


That being said, consider these 3 points:
1. How long will Modi government continue to be in power; what happens if there is a regime change
2. How long can the military/paramilitary continue to maintain peace without getting fatigued, or without losing it; what happens if there is an incident that spirals out of control and leads to a somewhat heavy-handed or botched response
3. In a state of lock-down, J&K will continue to bleed the treasury - besides the excessive military expenses, there will be little oversight into civilian spending and the old abuse patterns may well resume.

Normalcy must return as soon as it possibly can. That is the urgency here. Notwithstanding the present government's willingness to keep troops in J&K for years.



sirji,

is it your contention that before the present govt came to power, there were no troops in cashmere.

what is normalcy as per you.

troops have been in cashmere for decades now and will continue for some time to come but not at the same present and currently reinforced levels.

what will break however is the insidious and traitorous connections between some of the locals and the paki fuelled terrorists in terms of protecting such jokers from being arrested by jehadis like omar and that mehabooba mufti moron who used the state law and order machinery to the paki's advantage and wilfully harmed the Indian state and the central forces in particular.

Now, law and order will come directly under the center and cut out the cashmeri jehadi middlemen in the local govt and leave them with no say.

there will be less cash handling by the jehadi leaders and the governor's/dilli's writ will be supreme rather than the traitor CM calling the shots. Central funds allocated to this region will now be accountable and auditable by the center, like in every other state of the union.

lockdown is for their protection and not for others. It is being removed slowly and carefully, watching and assessing the ground situation every step of the way. The forces are walking on eggshells to carry out their duties in a peaceful manner.

In the worst case scenario, the lockdown will be removed in most areas barring the few and then the slow burn, fuelled by the furious and crooked pakis will inevitably start and continue for some time before it gets stamped out by the might of the Indian state.

srilanka did not eliminate terrorism by singing lullabies to the terrorists. That very same methodology is the ONLY realistic one available to any state in the world, seeking to eliminate terrorism on its soil.

oversight into all but military and intelligence related spending will be enforceable in cashmere now that 370 has been removed and the CAG will have complete and unrestricted audit authority all over the state. Earlier, the CAG was not allowed in cashmere because of 370 and everyone can easily guess why.

Something that is being undone after seven decades and that too in a state that has become used to uncontrolled and unlimited "entitlements" and absolutely no responsibilities towards the center will take time before the pampered "state subjects" adjust to the changed reality, wake up and smell the coffee.

370 was given by the Indian state as a temporary measure and it has now been taken away by the same Indian state.

the pace of return to normalcy will be carefully judged and implemented by the Indian state in its best interests and wisdom, keeping in mind the safety of the cashmeris and their concerns in a balanced way.

No one else will dictate this timeframe to the center, especially not to a center run by Modi.

So what else is new

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby yensoy » 01 Sep 2019 11:28

Normalcy = removal of widespread and enduring curfew, restoration of communication and de-facto reopening of schools

There have always been troops in Cashmere, but not at this kind of heightened state of alert for extended periods without pursuing an active war.

This can go on for a month, two months, six months, a year. But there has to be an end game. I am sure there is one; picking out the troublemakers and showering them with state hospitality seems to be at the top of the list here.

What I am saying is that this cannot be ongoing beyond the obvious constraints of regime/governance & endurance of forces.

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Postby Sachin » 01 Sep 2019 11:39

yensoy wrote:Normalcy = removal of widespread and enduring curfew, restoration of communication and de-facto reopening of schools

From what I understand; "curfew" in many parts of the Valley are enforced by the Jehadi sympathisers and not the security forces. They are threatening people and forcing them to stay at home. Identifying the OGW and sending them for some sight seeing in Agra etc may help things improve even further.

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Postby arshyam » 01 Sep 2019 13:47

True, but we need to change the narrative on this. Publicly announce where restrictions have been removed, and imply that any further blockades is done by anti-social types, stone throwers, etc. Basically put the onus on the stone throwers. Right now, the impression the average person has is that the entire state is under perpetual curfew. This impression is well watered by 'trusted' sources like the beeb.

The problem with this approach is, if anything untoward happens, the blame will go to the govt, since they have restrictions ostensibly to maintain order. Never mind the people who do untoward things - the blame will be affixed on the govt and there are enough elements in our own media to start sowing seeds of doubt. So this puts a lot of pressure on the forces and officials on the ground and they won't be able to maintain this heightened state of defensiveness for a sustained period of time. Removing restrictions with publicity means any further escalations is not the govt's fault, and the average aadmi will be resolutely behind the govt then.

At some point, restrictions will be completely lifted and there will be some blowback, if not for anything but to expend the current supply of stones. I'm sure GoI is aware of this and is perhaps waiting for winter to set in so cross-border attacks and infiltration is taken out of the equation, and the cold keeps everyone indoors. But the problem with this idea is, winter is another two months away at least. We can't keep restrictions on that far out, even people who are supportive of the 370 decision will start questioning, not to mention the pressure on the forces to stay alert throughout.

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Postby Vikas » 01 Sep 2019 15:48

There aren't restrictions because Govt is afraid of stone pelters or few demonstrations. These restrictions are because SF are cleaning up the swamp and squeezing terror funding channels.
After so many years managing Kashmir, SF don't really pay much attention to localized stone pelting incidents unless it is to help some terrorist to flee.

Moreover once Kashmir goes to 2nd/3rd Page of news cycle, you will see restrictions being lifted gradually. Best way to judge that would be when this thread goes cold with even Yak Herder not having anything to report.

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Postby UlanBatori » 01 Sep 2019 16:41

The other din I tried to deposit some money from selling yak-fodder, into an Indian baink. In dolahs. They gave me a pharm which asked where I got the money. Why? Because ArrBeeEye, RAA etc require it, in addition to "KYC". I wonder why BeeBeeSee is not highlighting this brutality. Apparently there is no Fundamental Right to Black Money. Just like there is no Fundamental Right to organize Flash Mobs or send terrorist instructions.

BUT... govrmand has not banned all such transactions: they just transferred the monkey onto the baink aphsars' backs. I suggest that maybe GOI should also adopt this strategy. Before Lifting Internet Ban, require that all ISPs enforce KYC with pretty tough requirements. And just to inspire them, pass Article 3666, saying that ISPs (and their Executives) will be held monetarily and criminally liable if a terror attack is organized via their service, involving at least one of the people they passed through KYC. Under these laws, provide full Internet Phreedom.

B4 anyone starts screaming: This has precedent. No less than the COTUS, post-9/11/01, passed a law saying that Immigration Officials who stamped the visa for a momeen who subsequently was found to be a terrorist, would not only be fired, they would be criminally liable and arrested. Whammo! Enthusiasm to pass Pakis between the legs of Lady Liberty plunged.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

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Postby saip » 01 Sep 2019 17:00

Cretin will fall by the way side, come January no one will have even heard of him.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby pankajs » 01 Sep 2019 18:07

Lets not be so dismissive about Sanders because the Muslims as whole along with their left fellow travelers and the Modi/RSS hating Yindus see this as an opportunity to bring Modi/RSS to its heels. This question is systematically being asked and will be asked of all democratic presidential candidates in due course. Make no mistake. Be mentally prepared for some unwanted attention..

OTOH, India has faced far worse co-ordinated pressure in the past. We will get past this phase too as we have in the past. There is no need to panic.

IIRC, the emphasis right now is on "communication blackout" mostly and NOT one person has talked about the A.370/35A that is the source of all this khujali of the organizing Bakis. Once the communication blackout is lifted the complain will disappear and the bakis will be left exactly were they started i.e. back to square one.

Moreover, there is always an opportunity to launch a counter campaign wrt Baluchisthan, Pasthunisthan, Gilgit-Baltisthan, etc. GOI hasn't invested in counter-material and that remains a cause for concern.
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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby SudiptoDey » 01 Sep 2019 18:24

UlanBatori wrote:Hope ppl spend time visiting with Pakis on YouTube. Like I said, free-fire zone. A couple of threads have been nicely mined, Pakis have done downhill skiing so one can hammer BeeBeeSee at leisure. Please propagate the idea that BeeBeeSee and VeeOhAy (SeeAyAh channel) are nicely working with Raa: BSF in front firing teargas, videographers at back getting the footage with stone-throwers mugshots, find who are the ringleaders etc. Catch them in the act, no question of "innocence" during soccer practice later.


Sir, Pakis have already started downhill skiing. There is a new video of Zaidu has come up on youtube, that exhorts for Ghazwa-e-Hind, but ultimately calling for fighting in the streets of Islamagood and Pindi. Claims to have created some sort of urban militia yada yada. Since he is a part of the Paki deep state, you can gauge their mood by what he said. Seems very afraid.

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Postby UlanBatori » 01 Sep 2019 19:32

That's OK about GOI not offensiving on Balochistan :) Balochistan is TOTALLY an infernal affair of Bakistan, to be solved Bilaterally with Iran. Balochistan ppl should have the Rite of Flee Determination. China should not interfere in infernal affairs of Bakistan. For anything else, pls kindly refer to Balochistan dhaga onlee. PORK/GB is slowly getting more and more focus. Wonder why/how.
But I have frankly not seen why the panic in IslooPindi: they seem to be digging their shelters frantically. When did NaMo even mention marching into 'Hore, let alone Pindi/Abbotabad/Islamagood?

On YouTube, someone with same handle as I, :shock: :eek: has been having all kinds of fun chit-chatting with Bakis. But then Ulan Bator has over 1,732,000,303,356 residents and no Internet Blackout except from 5AM to 4:59AM, and mine is a common handle, like "Appu" is in Malloostan. Bakis seem to get very dispirited beyond wishing "R.I.P." and asking for home address to soosai-bomb. Now my Al Ter-e-Go seems focused on congratulating UK etc for their hospitality towards Pakis in jail, BBC, VOA/CIA etc on feeling so welcome in KV villages, and for reporting their faces from behind the stonethrowers' barricades. Hope they continue to be welcomed with open arms. As usually happens, sudden shortage of Bakis on those threads.
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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby pankajs » 01 Sep 2019 19:41

Expect more such drama going forward.

https://www.wionews.com/india-news/mald ... ack-247007
Maldives meet on development goals descends into chaos as Pakistan raises Kashmir, India hits back
Maldives Parliament was hosting the fourth south Asian speakers summit on achieving the sustainable development goal with India being represented by Harivansh Narayan Singh, Deputy Chairman of the Rajya Sabha and Lok Sabha Speaker Om Birla and Pakistan by Deputy Speaker of the National Assembly Qasim Suri and Pakistan Senator Qurat ul Ain Marri.

"We cannot ignore the situation of Kashmiris who are facing oppression, They are facing injustice, "Suri said in his remarks drawing a strong reaction from India.


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