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J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Peregrine » 27 Sep 2019 00:37

Intensify anti-militancy operations in J&K but ensure there is no collateral damage: NSADoval – PTI

HIGHLIGHTS

- National Security Advisor Ajit Doval chaired a high-level meeting on Thursday

- Doval directed security officials to intensify anti-militancy operations and work towards improving the life of common people in J&K: Officials

- He had camped for 11 days in the Valley after the Centre announced its decision to withdraw the special status of J&K


SRINAGAR: National Security Advisor Ajit Doval chaired a high-level meeting here on Thursday and directed security officials to intensify anti-militancy operations and work towards improving the life of common people in Jammu and Kashmir, officials said.

Doval, who returned to the national capital after arriving hereon Wednesday, held a series of meetings with security officials and bureaucrats during which he made it clear that common people should be able to exercise their daily routine without any fear from terrorist groups, they said.

This is his second visit after the Centre abrogated provisions of Article 370 in the state on August 5 and bifurcated it into union territories of Jammu and Kashmir, and Ladakh, which will come into being on October 31 with the swearing-in ceremony of first Lt Governors.

During the meeting, the National Security Advisor (NSA) reviewed the developmental schemes for people and asked officials for their speedy implementation, which includes providing best health care, shipment of apple boxes out of the Kashmir Valley, among other things.

The NSA also reviewed the security situation and directed the officials to intensify anti-militancy operations and target key terrorists operating in certain parts of the Valley, the officials said.

However, Doval cautioned that while operating against militancy efforts should be made to ensure that there is no collateral damage to civilians or their property, they said, adding that the move comes after reports that terrorists had been intimidating civilians and apple growers and enforcing civilian curfew.

The NSA had camped for 11 days in the Valley after the Centre announced its decision to withdraw the special status of Jammu and Kashmir. During that period, Doval had ensured that there was no violence in the aftermath of the government's decision.

The NSA has been monitoring the situation in the state on a day-to day basis to ensure flawless coordination between all arms of the security forces in the hinterland as well as along the Line of Control (LoC).

In Video : NSA Ajit Doval Chairs key meet in Jammu and Kashmir

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Postby Lisa » 27 Sep 2019 00:57

g.sarkar wrote:https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/labour-party-kashmir-vote-bank-1603394-2019-09-26
UK's Labour Party passes controversial Kashmir resolution, India slams party for vote bank politics
Labour Party in a conference in Brighton passed a resolution that supported “international intervention in Kashmir and a call for UN-led referendum.’
Loveena Tandon, London, September 26, 2019.
On September 25, United Kingdom's Labour Party in a conference in Brighton passed a resolution that supported "international intervention in Kashmir and a call for UN led-referendum."
The motion was submitted by Blackburn, Dudley North, Keighley, Stockport and Wakefield constituency Labour parties. It condemns "the recent actions of the Government of India to revoke Article 370 and 35A of the Indian constitution and the special status" granted to Kashmir.
"Crucially, it calls on the Labour Party, the government in waiting, to clearly and vocally support the Kashmiri people’s right to self-determination and for international observers to be sent to the region immediately. The resolution also calls for an intervention of the party at the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC)," it further reads.
Reacting to the development, Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) spokesperson Raveesh Kumar said, "Government has noted certain developments at the Labour Party Conference on September 25 pertaining to the Indian State of Jammu and Kashmir. We regret the uninformed and unfounded positions taken at this event." He also turned down any engagement with the vote-bank driven politics of the Labour Party.
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PS the resolution was passed unanimously!


corbyn and his cronies are like old women with no teeth and a piece of sugar care. They can neither bite and chew it or suck it.

Picture it and their actual helpness becomes obvious.

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Postby Rsatchi » 27 Sep 2019 01:09

Labour under JC has become a den of hard left wingers and jihadi Muslim
People of TSP origins mirpuri origins and North African origins 8)
He went to Tunisia and took part in function of honouring terrorist :eek:
There is rampant anti Semitic currents blowing in the party :shock:
And they hate dharmic folks
Hope he doesn’t win
It will be a double whammy with brexit and JC becoming PM :lol:

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Postby pankajs » 27 Sep 2019 01:39

https://twitter.com/bababanaras/status/ ... 7451137024
अर्ध-सन्यासी (Half Hermit) @bababanaras

Highest level alert issued to BSF and Army along LoC and IB for uncertain time.

@adgpi @BSF_India

GOI either has intel or is aware that bakis will start something now that they have failed to get any relief from the world community. Expected by many on this forum.

Here is another,
https://twitter.com/Peacef_Warrior/stat ... 2910348288
A Nationalist @Peacef_Warrior

Something happening in the air also. Indian Navy is also alert

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Postby MurthyB » 27 Sep 2019 01:46

Labour to scrap controls on immigration and hand foreign nationals the right to vote

Jeremy Corbyn will scrap controls on immigration and hand foreign nationals the right to vote in future elections and referendums if Labour wins power.

The Labour leader will head into the next election promising to extend freedom of movement to migrants around the world, along with abolishing detention centres, under plans approved on Wednesday.

Despite Mr Corbyn’s team being privately opposed to the plan, delegates at Labour’s annual conference in Brighton unanimously backed a motion which commits the party to “free movement, equality and rights for migrants”.



So if any Britisher still wants to vote for this "breaking UK" forces, good luck. Relevance to Cashmore being their other "resolution". Either UK will be FUBAR (if it isn't already), or Labor will never win..

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Postby pankajs » 27 Sep 2019 02:00

MurthyB wrote:Labour to scrap controls on immigration and hand foreign nationals the right to vote

Jeremy Corbyn will scrap controls on immigration and hand foreign nationals the right to vote in future elections and referendums if Labour wins power.

The Labour leader will head into the next election promising to extend freedom of movement to migrants around the world, along with abolishing detention centres, under plans approved on Wednesday.

Despite Mr Corbyn’s team being privately opposed to the plan, delegates at Labour’s annual conference in Brighton unanimously backed a motion which commits the party to “free movement, equality and rights for migrants”.



So if any Britisher still wants to vote for this "breaking UK" forces, good luck. Relevance to Cashmore being their other "resolution". Either UK will be FUBAR (if it isn't already), or Labor will never win..

With this last gambit, hopefully the Kashmir pledge will become a side note. Universe works in strange ways.

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Postby IndraD » 27 Sep 2019 02:03

8 sorties in 10 days: Pakistan dropping arms with heavy lifting drones in Punjab

https://www.oneindia.com/india/8-sortie ... 53450.html

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Postby UlanBatori » 27 Sep 2019 02:06

So they want UQ to become "Jisko Jitna Chahiye, Kaat-Kaat Le Jaayiye". And want India to do likewise. Nice combo. :rotfl:

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Postby KJo » 27 Sep 2019 04:11

g.sarkar wrote:https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/labour-party-kashmir-vote-bank-1603394-2019-09-26
UK's Labour Party passes controversial Kashmir resolution, India slams party for vote bank politics
Labour Party in a conference in Brighton passed a resolution that supported “international intervention in Kashmir and a call for UN-led referendum.’
Loveena Tandon, London, September 26, 2019.
On September 25, United Kingdom's Labour Party in a conference in Brighton passed a resolution that supported "international intervention in Kashmir and a call for UN led-referendum."
The motion was submitted by Blackburn, Dudley North, Keighley, Stockport and Wakefield constituency Labour parties. It condemns "the recent actions of the Government of India to revoke Article 370 and 35A of the Indian constitution and the special status" granted to Kashmir.
"Crucially, it calls on the Labour Party, the government in waiting, to clearly and vocally support the Kashmiri people’s right to self-determination and for international observers to be sent to the region immediately. The resolution also calls for an intervention of the party at the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC)," it further reads.
Reacting to the development, Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) spokesperson Raveesh Kumar said, "Government has noted certain developments at the Labour Party Conference on September 25 pertaining to the Indian State of Jammu and Kashmir. We regret the uninformed and unfounded positions taken at this event." He also turned down any engagement with the vote-bank driven politics of the Labour Party.
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Gautam
PS the resolution was passed unanimously!


Why did we "slam" it? Best is to ignore these clowns. Corbyn is in a paki infested area so has to dance to their tunes. He works by self interest, not by logic.

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Postby vnms » 27 Sep 2019 04:45

We should pass a resolution on British occupied northern Ireland.

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Postby V_Raman » 27 Sep 2019 05:38

Given the political headwinds around the world, India should create a situation and take over POK. If all of the territory is with India - there will be no noise around plesbiscite etc.

If and when UK implodes - we can take that spot in the P5.

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Postby vijayk » 27 Sep 2019 05:57



Is this close to reality or Imran will still be the articulate face to the ISI resurgent terrror?

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Postby KLNMurthy » 27 Sep 2019 06:04

Rsatchi wrote:Labour under JC has become a den of hard left wingers and jihadi Muslim
People of TSP origins mirpuri origins and North African origins 8)
He went to Tunisia and took part in function of honouring terrorist :eek:
There is rampant anti Semitic currents blowing in the party :shock:
And they hate dharmic folks
Hope he doesn’t win
It will be a double whammy with brexit and JC becoming PM :lol:

If he wins al-Bartania will pay the price.

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Postby UlanBatori » 27 Sep 2019 07:42

Day 50? Situation Naaaaarmal.
Bakis claim that on Sep 27 they will march across LOC. Didn't say which year.

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Postby mmasand » 27 Sep 2019 11:50

vnms wrote:We should pass a resolution on British occupied northern Ireland.


Kenya has already raised a resolution to kick UK out of the Commonwealth and support the cause for freedom in N Ireland, Soctland and Wales. :rotfl:

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Postby Vikas » 27 Sep 2019 12:22

Where are our useful commie idiots when you need them for useless resolutions against imperialists.

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Postby partha » 27 Sep 2019 13:33

Rajnath Singh has once again made a statement regarding taking back PoK yesterday. IIRC, this is his 3rd or 4th statement in the last one month. Is he issuing such statements just to deter Pakistan from launching a terror attack in response to India's 370 move or is there more to it? He is not one of those BJP loud mouths who make a stupid statement which then is picked up for prime time news panel discussions to ridicule BJP. He is the f* DM and is usually measured in his statements.
:-?

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Postby pankajs » 27 Sep 2019 13:48

1. The is to spread FUD in the enemy camp. Costs nothing.
2. Trying to re-frame the narrative on J&K.

Earlier, the GOI has allowed the bakis to frame the whole narrative around Indian Kashmir. The global discourse for the past 20+ years is a proof of baki success and Indian failure.

However now, more the bakis protest the more it will fuel the the Indian objective by becoming part of the global conversation on J&K. Not talking about it is also not an option for bakis for the fear that is will spread FUD within its awam, especially in view of the latest Indian action in Kashmir and what looks like baki "impotence" in face of Indian agression. This is one of those kind of issues where one can neither talk about it nor ignore it. :wink: Psychological warfare!

Very difficult to assign any other motive at this point.

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Postby Karthik S » 27 Sep 2019 13:58

I'd like to believe that RNS talking about PoK is kind of a foreword to the world, making them realize that PoK is Indian territory, so what we take it back, nobody is caught surprised. So that phoren media don't say, India annexed part of kashmir from pakis.

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Postby manjgu » 27 Sep 2019 14:03

A) i think the Paki/Imran hypocrisy / chicanery on Kashmir can be called out in 2 minute ... 1) have u read UN resolutions on Kashmir? ( y/N) 2) is Pakistan the aggressor in J&K as per UN resolutions (y/N) 3) why pakistan has not implemented point 1 of resolutions if its so dear to u till date? 4) why has Pakistan given part of disputed territory to china 5) Why had Pakistan changed the constitutional status of POK, GB if its disputed? 6) and ofcourse the if Pakistan was so worried about HR of muslims, why the silence on Ughuirs. 7) his views on ethnic cleansing of hindus by terrorists in Kashmir. B) the narrative builiding on POK, GB is v imp. if Pakis can say J&K is theirs then POK, GB is ours. and we will take it by force.

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Postby nam » 27 Sep 2019 14:12

We are not invading PoK! Winter will start soon and you can mount an op in winter.

There is nothing worth to take over in PoK.Half of Pak would land up in PoK, if we invade... demanding to be made Indian citizens.

We should keep threatening Pak, to force them a conventional build up and bring down their economy more. They have had it easy so far.

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Postby Aditya_V » 27 Sep 2019 14:32

I dont agree, POK includes Gligit Baltistan, we must definately take the following.

1) Take Nellum Valley

2) Take the Poonch Bulge, Haji Pir SHrine.

Taking these 2 will cut out almost all of Paki access to the Valley

3) From Nelum Valley- Burzil Pass, Kargil area and Turtuk- 3 axis try and take Skardu and then to CHilas and Gilgit.

4) Recover Chamb and other areas of Jammu

Pakis can keep Mirpur , Muzaffarabad, Rawalkot, Charhoi etc.

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Postby abhijitm » 27 Sep 2019 15:24

We actually should annouce formation of two Snow Strike Corps. That will send chills down the paki spine...or whatever left of it.

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Postby pankajs » 27 Sep 2019 15:44

cross post
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Most western countries can now spot BS being bakis love for Kashmir. They have realized that it is not their love for human rights or Muslims of Kashmir. Rather is a naked lust for more territory and an urge to break India starting with Kashmir.

https://twitter.com/shauntandon/status/ ... 1372297218
Shaun Tandon @shauntandon

Alice Wells, the top US diplomat for South Asia, says of Imran Khan's outspoken criticism of India on #Kashmir: "I would like to see the same level of concern expressed about Muslims who have been detained in western China, literally in concentration-like conditions" #Uighurs

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Postby pankajs » 27 Sep 2019 16:21

Makes sense

https://twitter.com/5Forty3/status/1177434287244595200
Dr Praveen Patil @5Forty3

It is amazing how the so called spontaneous "anger of Kashmir", "Azaadi" et al are so dependent on Mobile phones, WhatsApp and wire transfer of money to protestors!

Nearly 2 months after abrogation of Article 370, Kashmir is refusing to rise in revolt

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Postby Vips » 27 Sep 2019 16:40

pankajs wrote:cross post
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Most western countries can now spot BS being bakis love for Kashmir. They have realized that it is not their love for human rights or Muslims of Kashmir. Rather is a naked lust for more territory and an urge to break India starting with Kashmir.

https://twitter.com/shauntandon/status/ ... 1372297218
Shaun Tandon @shauntandon

Alice Wells, the top US diplomat for South Asia, says of Imran Khan's outspoken criticism of India on #Kashmir: "I would like to see the same level of concern expressed about Muslims who have been detained in western China, literally in concentration-like conditions" #Uighurs


Pakistan is not interested in Kashmiris or even the land. They are interested in the place as it wants control on the source of water in the subcontinent. The fact that Yindoos have control over water and hence their testicles/uterus is what they cannot stomach.

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Postby pankajs » 27 Sep 2019 17:03

Vips wrote:
pankajs wrote:cross post
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Most western countries can now spot BS being bakis love for Kashmir. They have realized that it is not their love for human rights or Muslims of Kashmir. Rather is a naked lust for more territory and an urge to break India starting with Kashmir.

https://twitter.com/shauntandon/status/ ... 1372297218


Pakistan is not interested in Kashmiris or even the land. They are interested in the place as it wants control on the source of water in the subcontinent. The fact that Yindoos have control over water and hence their testicles/uterus is what they cannot stomach.

Bhai saab, territory comes with all physical resources including water.

Moreover, their lust is not limited to territory of Kashmir and its water. Their aim is destruction of India i.e. more than water even. They want to re-establish Muslim rule over India i.e. hindus like in that past, their dream of Gazwa-e-hind.

Btw, my short write-up was about the western realization about Bakistan and its objectives and not Indian realization. Westerners as a whole, have yet to fully grasp the "core" driving principle behind the bakis quest in Kashmir.

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Postby UlanBatori » 27 Sep 2019 17:26

pankajs wrote:1. The is to spread FUD in the enemy camp. Costs nothing.
2. Trying to re-frame the narrative on J&K.
Earlier, the GOI has allowed the bakis to frame the whole narrative around Indian Kashmir. The global discourse for the past 20+ years is a proof of baki success and Indian failure.
Very difficult to assign any other motive at this point.

The greater (good/danger) is that it raises expectations. Voters expected strike-back at Pak in 1st term. Checked.
3Talaq ban in 2nd term. Checked.
35A trashed in 2nd term. Checked. Went beyond with 370 trashed and JKL split and turned into UTs.
Ayodhya temple in 2nd term. Let's see...

Now Rajnath is putting the POK monkey on the back of 3rd term.
IOW, it is also because the nuclear bluff has been called. Now its back to the old game: Chai at RYK. Of course POK will be liberated when that happens because of non-existence of PAK.

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Postby chetak » 27 Sep 2019 20:47

it's easy (and lazy) to write off niazi as im the dim and be done with him but he can be quite dangerous in the PR dept. It's well worth watching his performance below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YSfE5kJwDk



PM Imran Khan Complete Speech at Council on Foreigh Relations USA | 23 Sep 2019




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Postby Karthik S » 27 Sep 2019 21:11

There was news about possible paki actions after UNGA. Wonder what they could be planning as they now know retribution is guaranteed.

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Postby Kashi » 27 Sep 2019 21:15

Did Dimmy actually say "President Modi" in his speech?????

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Postby yensoy » 27 Sep 2019 21:26

pankajs wrote:
Vips wrote:
Pakistan is not interested in Kashmiris or even the land. They are interested in the place as it wants control on the source of water in the subcontinent. The fact that Yindoos have control over water and hence their testicles/uterus is what they cannot stomach.

Bhai saab, territory comes with all physical resources including water.

Moreover, their lust is not limited to territory of Kashmir and its water. Their aim is destruction of India i.e. more than water even. They want to re-establish Muslim rule over India i.e. hindus like in that past, their dream of Gazwa-e-hind.

Btw, my short write-up was about the western realization about Bakistan and its objectives and not Indian realization. Westerners as a whole, have yet to fully grasp the "core" driving principle behind the bakis quest in Kashmir.


That is exactly correct.

Our 2 adversaries have establishments whose primary goal is to hold on to their power. One holds on to its power by being the maai-baap of its people whom it uses as resources to power its fantastic economy - so much so that China without the CCP is unimaginable. The other, the PakFauj, holds on to its power by using the carrot of ghazwa-e-hind and the stick of the threat to its very existence by its imagined adversary, India. Neither really wants to fight a war because they know they cannot win it (or it is unwinnable); and more importantly, the current political arrangement will not survive a war.

Pakis invaded Kashmir in 1947. Nobody was thinking of water at that time.

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Postby pankajs » 27 Sep 2019 21:58

All logic to justify were invested after the fact. As soon as climate change became the thing they jumped on that bandwagon too. Anything to wrest Kashmir for India but that is just the beginning for them.

Other news.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-indi ... SKBN1WB150
Anger, impatience mount in Pakistani Kashmir as Khan makes diplomatic push
MUZAFFARABAD, Pakistan/ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - As Pakistan’s Prime Minister Imran Khan prepares to deliver another appeal to the world to address the situation in Kashmir, he faces the risk that rising anger in his country’s portion of the disputed region could spiral into a confrontation with India.

Some people in Pakistan’s portion of Kashmir said thousands of people were preparing to storm the line of control (LOC) - a ceasefire line agreed with India that is one of the most militarized frontiers in the world. Reuters could not independently verify the claims. {The bakis are pushing this line via Reuters.}

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“We are all waiting for the United Nations...to see if the world can help us. Otherwise, we will try to break the LOC border,” said Habib Urhman Afaqi, the president of the Jamaat-e-Islami political party for the district of Kotli, near the LOC. He said tens of thousands of men around the region were organizing by word of mouth and social media.

“We are preparing people, emotionally, and collectively we will be ready to fight on 27 September,” Afaqi said.

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Postby manjgu » 27 Sep 2019 22:02

hahahahah..another world cup for immy the dimmy !!! only words.

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Postby CRamS » 27 Sep 2019 22:22

Karthik S wrote:There was news about possible paki actions after UNGA. Wonder what they could be planning as they now know retribution is guaranteed.


Look, there is no doubt, TSP is seething with anger and jealousy. 70+ years of their investment into annexing the valley have come to naught. They are not going to go down without a fight. At the same time, the MoFos also like the wine, women, and good life. So they are torn as to what to do. Note, leaving aside India has not agreed to any talks of any sort, see how Talib himself came down from 'no talks till India re-instates 370' to 'no talks until curfew lifted'. So the RAPE among TSP are looking for a way out of the current impasse and living to fight another day. The more Jihadi ones, I mean the ones who look forward to their 72, are itching for a confrontation. Talib is struck between a rock and a hard place. I think TSP will do something whether its today, I don't know.

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Postby manjgu » 27 Sep 2019 22:39

kuch nahi hoga bhai jaan... except usual natak at LOC... few days it will be back to narmaaal... pakis dont wanna risk their ass for kashmir.

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Postby manjgu » 27 Sep 2019 22:41

though lot of air activity over my house !!!

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Postby UlanBatori » 27 Sep 2019 23:33

What is the ground reality? Is there a curfew? Sec. 144? Do mobile PHONES (as in voice calls) work? SMS? Landline phones? Landline/cable Internet at home? Mobile Internet (which is an utter luxury IMO). Why are Cashmori students in Mumbai starving just because mobile phone based wire transfers are difficult (where they getting funded by Dawood or ISI?) Don't the banks work? Cashmoris too lazy/stupid to walk to the bank and transfer money to their kids' bank accounts?

I think GOI should announce that all curbs are off - except that some sensitive areas do not permit outsiders to enter. Contagious diseases identified, Quarantine onlee, what2do? Because locals did not allow vaccinations against rabies... and too many rabid bowbows in those areas.

Maybe areas like that one where the stone-throwers' mosque is located, should be declared as Military Base area, so that all entry-exit is pass-controlled. Those who wish can leave. A sort of inverse-Hotel Califonia

You can check out any time u please..
But u can never check in..


A good start to the demo-changes that are needed in KV.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby sudeepj » 27 Sep 2019 23:51

manjgu wrote:kuch nahi hoga bhai jaan... except usual natak at LOC... few days it will be back to narmaaal... pakis dont wanna risk their ass for kashmir.


Cant rule out limited action. Fighting/Resistance in the Kashmir conflict is the key to legitimacy in the pakistani polity. If PakMil/Dimran are seen to be doing nothing more than the UN noises, they will lose their hold on power. It could be Maulana Fazlur rahman, or a colonels coup, or ...

A limited action even if they lose, some stray incidents in the valley itself, and they can continue the political legitimacy of the polity.

The prospect of such incidents is behind the tough messaging from every member of the CCS (except Jai Shankar). "If you start something, you may lose significant land mass.", which again will lead to the loss of political legitimacy.

IMO, PakMil & Dimran are between a rock and a hard place. Dimran has started to take out a life insurance policy by bringing in PakMil's Al Qaeda and terrorist dalliances on the UN floor.

I think the next move is going to be an international caterwaul and Dimran will visit Malaysia, Turkey, Qatar, China.. and make grand plans of reestablishing the ummahs strength. Do this, and hope that the local populace is resigned to Indian moves in 6 months. After which the same old low level stuff will be started again..


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