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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Narad » 27 Sep 2019 23:54

manjgu wrote:hahahahah..another world cup for immy the dimmy !!! only words.

:lol: was about to say that. At the end all you have is just words(takrrer), while we will continue to have cash mere.

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J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Peregrine » 28 Sep 2019 02:41

X Posted on the Terroristan Thread

‘Howdy, Modi!’ in Houston - Rustam Shah Mohmand

In an unprecedented move, the US President joined the Prime Minister of India in a stadium in Houston, Texas, and addressed more than 50,000 Indian-Americans. The event underscores the deep cultural, political, economic and military ties between the two large democracies and their enduring partnership in a troubled region.

The event is also a significant triumph for Indian diplomacy that has been able to create an appropriate environment for an American president to participate in a rally in the US that was organised by a foreign diaspora to welcome their leader. Undoubtedly, President Trump has taken into consideration the presence of tens of thousands of US citizens of Indian origin who are going to vote in the US election next year. Houston alone hosts 130,000 citizens of Indian origin.

The event which took weeks in planning is the outcome of hard work and skilful diplomacy. It also shows that rhetoric and symbolism can only play a very limited role in building a strong and robust relationship. Beyond that, it has to be based on an assessment of the objective realities and recognition of the mutual benefits that such a relationship would deliver in the short and long term.

The event almost overshadowed the visit of Prime Minister Imran Khan, who is also in New York and will deliver a speech at the General Assembly session mainly devoted to exposing India’s policy of apartheid in the disputed state of Kashmir.

The “Howdy, Modi!” event is a milestone in relations between the US and India. In recent years, the ties gained strength on the back of a US-China struggle for hegemony and control in the region of the South China Sea. The strategic partnership agreement between the US and India provides the basis for a mutually productive and robust partnership between the two countries in sectors like defence, communication, trade, investment, weapons purchase and an ever stronger political engagement.

In contrast, Pakistan has been long on symbolism and short on substance when it comes to conveying a consistent and unambiguous stance on key foreign policy issues, including Kashmir. The presence of a large number of militant outfits in Pakistan raises concerns and suspicions about Islamabad’s claims of not allowing its territory to be used against any other country. A time has come for Pakistan to dispassionately evaluate the pros and cons of having allowed such militant groups to roam about freely in the country. Islamabad has finally woken up to the reality that these groups have only harmed the country’s credibility. Some action has been taken but doubts persist whether it was for the world to see or whether there is a genuine re-appraisal of policy. If history is any guide, such non-state actors have always caused more harm and have damaged the institutional framework of the countries they operated in.

Pakistan would emerge stronger — and in the eyes of the world — become a more reliable partner in the pursuit of goals like poverty alleviation and socio-economic emancipation of its large population if it succeeds in convincing the world that it will follow a policy of zero tolerance for any militant group of whatever complexion or ideology to exist in its territory. It appears, after a cool analysis, that the rulers have realised the huge negative fallout of militant groups operating in Pakistan, and have disbanded some of these.

The “Howdy, Modi!” event should be an opportunity for Pakistan to take a critical look at some of its policies, both in the domestic arena and in the realm of external relations. Pakistan must continue to extend political and diplomatic support to the Kashmiris in their struggle to reverse the action India took in dismantling the special status of IOK. But at the same time, it must recognise that the decision of August 5 would be difficult to reverse for a government that was publicly committed to scrapping the special autonomy provisions for IOK. Pakistan must also realise that no regional country other than China will be willing to support its stance in the UN. Nor will the Islamic countries or the big powers. Islamabad must come to grips with the reality of India being a hegemonic power and powerful economy that few countries would risk damaging their relations with.

The fact that Modi’s action has won widespread support internally within India must not be ignored either. The backing of the masses, for ending the special status of IOK, has given the Modi government a tremendous boost, even though it has to be seen whether, in the long run, the policy was in India’s supreme national interests. Islamabad will have to incorporate these realities into its policy calculations. The real opposition to the move will have to come from the people of Kashmir.

If the iconic spectacle i.e. “Howdy, Modi!” is any guide, Islamabad has to reconcile with the fact that on issues such as Kashmir, it will not receive any significant support from the US or many other capitals around the world. Pakistani rulers have to be more down to earth in dealing with other nations. Global diplomacy is not about human rights; it’s about national interests, above all.

Comments : The last sentence reflected Lord Palmerston, Henry John Temple, 3rd Viscount Palmerston - British Prime Minister and British Foreign Minister- stating Nations have no permanent friends or allies, they only have permanent interests. We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and these interests it is our duty to follow.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Nikhil T » 28 Sep 2019 06:33

Honest question - has there been a recent GoI update about the restrictions in Kashmir? The last update mentioned that only a few police stations have restrictions. So are schools, markets, govt offices functioning? From the videos I've seen on SM by Aditya Kaul and Imtiaz Hussain, there is traffic on the streets and some hawkers, but markets seem shut..

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 28 Sep 2019 06:38

Day 51. Situation Naaaaarmaal. No news at all.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby arshyam » 28 Sep 2019 07:41

Peregrine wrote:X Posted on the Terroristan Thread

‘Howdy, Modi!’ in Houston - Rustam Shah Mohmand

The event almost overshadowed the visit of Prime Minister Imran Khan,

:rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 28 Sep 2019 07:42

Markets remain shut on Day 54(I must have lost count..)
Restrictions under Section 144 CrPc were imposed on Friday morning in various parts of the valley, the officials said. They said the curbs were imposed in five police station areas of Nowhatta, Rainawari, Safakadal, Khanyar and Maharaj Gunj in downtown (interior areas) and in Hazratbal zone in Srinagar. restrictions were also imposed in Ganderbal, Anantnag, Awantipora, Sopore and Handwara towns of the valley, the officials added. The authorities also sealed the Lal Chowk city centre the commercial hub of the city by placing barricades and concertina wires on all entry and exit points leading to the area, they said.

The officials said the curbs were imposed as a precautionary measure to maintain law and order in view of the Friday congregational prayers.

Oh! That's naaarmal.

Mobile services remained suspended in Kashmir except in Handwara and Kupwara areas in the north, while Internet services -- across all platforms continued to be snapped in the valley, they added.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby NRao » 28 Sep 2019 07:50

UlanBatori wrote:Day 51. Situation Naaaaarmaal. No news at all.


UB,

Not sure what you mean by "No news".

As I see it Hit Wicket Imran just made headlines:

1) A jew actually won a case against the head whatever. (Never mind it was 100s of years ago - please disregard that fact.). Never mind that since then the head whatever has been winning without going to court

2) There is only one Islam (get that straight folks). The Prime Minister of Pakistan just jettisoned all Jihadis. Hear ye all Jihadis, you are no longer Muslims. Hope you feel the all-pervading presence of Kafirdom (actually it is not that bad)

But, you see, Hit Wicket went to the West while he was a teen. I certainly did not.

What a yoyo.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby arshyam » 28 Sep 2019 07:59

Nikhil T wrote:Honest question - has there been a recent GoI update about the restrictions in Kashmir? The last update mentioned that only a few police stations have restrictions. So are schools, markets, govt offices functioning? From the videos I've seen on SM by Aditya Kaul and Imtiaz Hussain, there is traffic on the streets and some hawkers, but markets seem shut..


Ajit Doval wrote:"I am totally convinced that the majority of Kashmiris support the abrogation of Article 370, they see greater opportunities, future, economic progress and employment opportunities, only a few miscreants are opposing it. No question arises of Army atrocities, only state (J&K) Police and some central forces are handling public order. Indian Army is there to fight terrorists. Out of 199 police station areas in J&K, only 10 have prohibitory orders in place, rest have no restrictions, 92.5 percent of the geographical area of J&K is free of restrictions," he said.

Source: NSA Visits J&K To Review Situation, Internet Services Being Restored - Republic, published on September 26, 2019 15:14 IST

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Postby Nikhil T » 28 Sep 2019 12:10

arshyam wrote:
Nikhil T wrote:Honest question - has there been a recent GoI update about the restrictions in Kashmir? The last update mentioned that only a few police stations have restrictions. So are schools, markets, govt offices functioning? From the videos I've seen on SM by Aditya Kaul and Imtiaz Hussain, there is traffic on the streets and some hawkers, but markets seem shut..


Ajit Doval wrote:"I am totally convinced that the majority of Kashmiris support the abrogation of Article 370, they see greater opportunities, future, economic progress and employment opportunities, only a few miscreants are opposing it. No question arises of Army atrocities, only state (J&K) Police and some central forces are handling public order. Indian Army is there to fight terrorists. Out of 199 police station areas in J&K, only 10 have prohibitory orders in place, rest have no restrictions, 92.5 percent of the geographical area of J&K is free of restrictions," he said.

Source: NSA Visits J&K To Review Situation, Internet Services Being Restored - Republic, published on September 26, 2019 15:14 IST



Thanks, I read this too. Does anyone know if markets, schools and govt offices are open? I heard that the people are doing civil disobedience by not opening shops and attending office/college etc.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby A Nandy » 28 Sep 2019 12:45

https://twitter.com/hussain_imtiyaz/sta ... 8195665921

People are going about their lives. Restrictions will probably be there till winter sets in.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby srin » 28 Sep 2019 13:01

^^^
That sounds about right. Dimran has already spoken about what Bakis want to do - as soon as restrictions are lifted, they want to organize protests, and conduct a false-flag massacre.
Winter is a good time to lift the restrictions and let the temperature do the natural clamp down.

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Postby UlanBatori » 28 Sep 2019 16:08

There is no "civil disobedience". THAT is the revelation that Pakis cannot tolerate. Only fear of terrorists. And that is what the govt is working to root out.

7.5% of the land area is probably much of the populated parts of KV but I for one totally support a clampdown there until the place is cleansed. As UBCN suggested, it would be tragic if some parts of KV were to be found with Contagious Diseases. This is quite likely because the fundoos reject vaccination, and because Dal Lake is basically an open cesspool. So this area needs to be Quarantined. Many people evacuated ASAP. To Bihar. GOI needs to get a few costumes from the set of "Andromeda Strain" and have some ppl walk around into those carrying test-tubes.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Rudradev » 28 Sep 2019 16:43

^ Filled with real ebola suspension.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby g.sarkar » 28 Sep 2019 16:47

https://scroll.in/latest/938809/after-c ... dor-in-pok
After China raises Kashmir matter at UNGA, India points at ‘illegal’ economic corridor in PoK
The Ministry of External Affairs reiterated that Jammu and Kashmir is ‘entirely a matter internal to’ India.

The Ministry of External Affairs on Saturday said it noted Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi’s mention of Kashmir dispute at the United Nations General Assembly in New York. Ministry Spokesperson Raveesh Kumar said that China is well aware that the conflict in Kashmir is “entirely a matter internal to us”, and that Jammu, Kashmir and Ladakh are an integral part of India.
“We expect that other countries will respect India’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, and desist from efforts to change the status quo through the illegal so-called China Pakistan Economic Corridor in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir,” Kumar added.
During Chinese President Xi Jinping’s 2015 visit to Islamabad, Pakistan and China inked an agreement to start work on the $46 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, or CPEC, which consists of a network of infrastructure and energy projects. India has repeatedly raised concerns about the CPEC as it travels through parts of Kashmir that are occupied by Pakistan. The corridor is an integral part of Beijing’s $900 billion One Belt, One Road, later renamed Belt and Road Initiative, which was unveiled in 2013. The corridor connects Kashgar in western China with Gwadar port in Pakistan.
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Gautam

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby pankajs » 28 Sep 2019 20:12

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https://twitter.com/Wolfpack071/status/ ... 8209341440
Wolfpack @Wolfpack071

Upto 5 terrorists trapped in Batote, Ramban encounter.
Firing exchanges resumed between Security forces & terrorists.
Suspected to be part of a fidayeen squad.

Baki plan-b has been put into action. Expect some turbulence over the next 1 to 2 months.

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Postby A_Gupta » 28 Sep 2019 20:18

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/security- ... -encounter
Security Forces Kill Three Terrorists Who Held A Man Hostage In J&K’s Ramban; One Soldier Martyred In Encounter

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One of most wanted Hizbul militants among three terrorists eliminated in Jammu and Kasmhir’s Ramban

The terrorists, identified as Osama and his associates Zahid and Farooq, were gunned down after they tried to escape from a house where they had barged in while being chased by security forces following a brief exchange of fire in Batote area along Jammu-Kishtwar national highway early this morning, they said, adding a house-owner was also rescued after the encounter ended.

Osama was the brain behind several sensational incidents including the killings of senior BJP leader Anil Parihar and his brother Ajit Parihar on November 1, 2018 and RSS functionary Chanderkant Sharma and his PSO on April 9, officials said. He was carrying a reward of several lakhs of rupees and was also wanted in three weapon snatching incidents in Kishtwar town, which was declared terrorist-free over a decade ago.

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Postby UlanBatori » 29 Sep 2019 02:33

g.sarkar wrote:https://scroll.in/latest/938809/after-china-raises-kashmir-matter-at-unga-india-points-at-illegal-economic-corridor-in-pok
After China raises Kashmir matter at UNGA, India points at ‘illegal’ economic corridor in PoK
CPEC, unveiled in 2013. The corridor connects Kashgar in western China with Gwadar port in Pakistan.
Gautam


Question: Recently in the course of seeing something else I saw a terse comment from Sandhya Jain (no endorsement implied) saying "CPEC has been dead for months" or words 2 that effect. She was dissing the author of the column.

Since sanity is not a feature to expect from either the columnist nor the commentor, I have to ask:

What gives? I know Gwadar has been made "intelesting" by Baloch patriots, but is CPEC really dead...?
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Postby UlanBatori » 29 Sep 2019 02:39

Along those lines: Under what circumstances would PeeAllSee stop the project and pull out their PeeEllAy and any other cheen laborers and support personnel?

By support personnel I mean port and road engineers, and specialists like the see-near staff of Led Rips Massage Palroul in Islamabad, scene of brisk batting practice by the (pbuh) Kendo Stix Sistahs of the Lal Masjid?

Point is that if those circumstances occur and have the desired effect, that would be an appropriate time to render the road corridor kaput and re-take the GB areas. No direct confrontation with PeeEllAy needed, no Loss-e-Face.

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Postby UlanBatori » 29 Sep 2019 02:47

I know this was posted b4, but just re-posting to savor the jhapad:
Alice Wells, US Acting Assistant Secretary for South and Central Asia, criticised Pakistan PM Imran Khan for not speaking out against China that has detained an estimated one million Uyghurs and other Turkic-speaking Muslims in Xinjiang province.


Not 2 mention Muslims in Balochistan. PORK. GB. Swat. FATA. Pakhtoonistan. Sindh. Taliban-Occupied Afghanistan (TOA)

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Postby UlanBatori » 29 Sep 2019 04:28

Since we are removing restrictions on media: hu eej this TrAs(h)-OK Swine? Check teetar. I am not linking his trash here. Apparently there was a "demonstration" with A LARGE NUMBER (20) of Protestors per BBC (in 1997). So things are NOT fine. And a "12-year-old" stone-thrower got a lifelong lesson.

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Postby UlanBatori » 29 Sep 2019 04:30

Pakiness as usual:
From YAWN:

Soon after PM Imran's speech, hundreds of Kashmiris came out of their homes, shouting slogans in support of the PM late on Friday night and calling for the independence of #Kashmir.


er... HOW did ppl in Oppressed Cash-More, who have Nooooooo access to any media or phone, get to watch "PM" Dimran on TV? Or maybe they have direct link to ISI HQ under their pakistans?

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Kakkaji » 29 Sep 2019 05:43

UlanBatori wrote:Pakiness as usual:
From YAWN:

Soon after PM Imran's speech, hundreds of Kashmiris came out of their homes, shouting slogans in support of the PM late on Friday night and calling for the independence of #Kashmir.


er... HOW did ppl in Oppressed Cash-More, who have Nooooooo access to any media or phone, get to watch "PM" Dimran on TV? Or maybe they have direct link to ISI HQ under their pakistans?


This 'spontaneous demonstration' must have happened in PoK. The 'Kashmiris' most likely were those who could not even speak the Kashmiri language. : :roll:


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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby schinnas » 29 Sep 2019 06:36

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/six-te ... 354573.cms

This is concerning:

1. How did the Kashmiris in Srinagar get to hear or watch Dimran's UN speech? Is land line internet still in use?
2. Is it possible that Pakis broadcasted it over long range AM frequencies.

It is very important that a Naya Srinagar is created and pandits are resettled there. Also all ex-servicemen should be provided residency and land in Jammu & Kashmir UT and provided loans to build tourism businesses such as travel agency or homestays or restaurants.

We need to reduce radicalization with more immigration into the state. Make it a pluralistic, diverse and vibrant state once again.

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Postby manjgu » 29 Sep 2019 07:38

radio is available...i think cable TV is also operational... somebody can record it in delhi on mobile and take mob to srinagar !! come on. and distribute the files...its not rocket science. let them celebrate PAki UNGA speech for next 100 years...who cares.

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Postby UlanBatori » 29 Sep 2019 07:43

The celebration occurred right after the sbeech. No time for courier etc. So did the interviews with the BeeBeeSee Pakis. Clearly they have no comms problems.
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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby MurthyB » 29 Sep 2019 07:43

MurthyB wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:Pssssst! Small pooch.
"Pakistan, Cash More, Geneva, Hyooman Rites".

What is missing in this picture?
ANGANA CHATTERJI.
Any sightings? aka "Mary" cited by the Free Biscuits in the Federal Indictment of the Abdul G Whatzit of the CashMore Conference, who went to make chappatis for a couple of years as an Undeclared Pakistani Agint before being let out with an FBI mike up his musharraf.

Same for all the other "CashMore Researchers": Akhila Ra(h)man, Stalini Gera, Girish Agarwal? etc. All this ruckus about CashMore and these piglets are not out there at the trough?


Giritings birader! AoA! She has been spotted being very generous (a full $50 for cashmere phreedom!) only:

Image
https://imgur.com/lVsPpY3

BTW, this "news freedom initiative" was launched by this vicious turd babaglocal back on august 15 for that other set of turds headed by some suchitra vijayan of project polis or some such and nearly a month later the tukde tukdes have mustered up a grand total of two hajjar, of which 500 was extorted from some sanghi who send lascivious messages to a lol salaam motorhama.


Great neuj. After Angana Chaterji's 50 donation for press-e-freedom in Cashmere, another motorhama has chipped in with $20. Progress towards the $20k appears swift and is already at $2120 after 45 days.

https://imgur.com/pFpBgfh

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby schinnas » 29 Sep 2019 08:04

https://m.hindustantimes.com/world-news ... 5ByVN.html

This Corbyn fella is now on a overdrive. Time for some prominent Indian labour stalwart to make noises

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby manjgu » 29 Sep 2019 08:05

radio ...tv works in kashmir...

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Jay » 29 Sep 2019 08:07

schinnas wrote:https://m.timesofindia.com/india/six-terrorists-slain-in-2-jk-encounters-one-a-top-hizb-man-who-planned-killing-of-bjp-rss-men/articleshow/71354573.cms

This is concerning:

1. How did the Kashmiris in Srinagar get to hear or watch Dimran's UN speech? Is land line internet still in use?
2. Is it possible that Pakis broadcasted it over long range AM frequencies.

It is very important that a Naya Srinagar is created and pandits are resettled there. Also all ex-servicemen should be provided residency and land in Jammu & Kashmir UT and provided loans to build tourism businesses such as travel agency or homestays or restaurants.

We need to reduce radicalization with more immigration into the state. Make it a pluralistic, diverse and vibrant state once again.


I think this is in POK not in JK.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby schinnas » 29 Sep 2019 08:27

It is in Srinagar and immediately after Dimran speech there were jubilation and demonstrations in certainnpockets. Pls read the article posted before speculating.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby RajD » 29 Sep 2019 08:40

schinnas wrote:It is in Srinagar and immediately after Dimran speech there were jubilation and demonstrations in certainnpockets. Pls read the article posted before speculating.


True.
There is a front page article on this in today's Indian Express too.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby pankajs » 29 Sep 2019 08:41

From what I understand, BBC and Al-Jazeera are and have been available all the while.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby srin » 29 Sep 2019 09:18

I hate we're being so defensive about Kashmir in the international fora. At last in domestic arena, we're talking about getting back PoK. But outside, we're still being quite defensive.

There is a huge scope for diplomatic aggression, and I'm disappointed that we're not making good use of that.

When have we asked Pakistan to provide real "azaadi" to the so-called "azad kashmir" ? If they so care about "azaadi", they can withdraw the troops from there, no ? It even complies with the UN Security Council resolution.

We saw Dimran scoring a major self-goal and we didn't even capitalize on this. Before 9/11, Pakistan military supported and aided Taliban and Al-qaeda. 9/11 happened. Pakistan did 180 degree turn and supported US. Dimmy called this a huge blunder. Therefore - a) Pakistan military assisted in 9/11 and b ) Dimmy supported Al Qaeda even after 9/11 when US was bleeding against it.

Why don't we bring UNHCR resolution against Bakis on their human rights records against minorities ? Or about Balochistan ?

Whenever Dimran brings up "8 lakh troops in J&K", why don't we just say we're guarding against repeat of Op Grandslam and Kargil. And ask Dimran to decrease TSPA troop strength or something like that ?

When do we tell China to part with us a proportion of the profits of CPEC (granted, there probably will never be, but that's beside the point) ?

All this is definitely possible. We just need to get rid of our defensive mindset.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby vimal » 29 Sep 2019 10:18

Jammu-Kashmir के रामबन में आतंकियों को मारने के बाद सेना का जोश हाई, साथ मिलकर मनाया जश्न

Security forces celebrating elimination of terrorists in Ramban.


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Postby pankajs » 29 Sep 2019 10:26

srin wrote:I hate we're being so defensive about Kashmir in the international fora. At last in domestic arena, we're talking about getting back PoK. But outside, we're still being quite defensive.

There is a huge scope for diplomatic aggression, and I'm disappointed that we're not making good use of that.

When have we asked Pakistan to provide real "azaadi" to the so-called "azad kashmir" ? If they so care about "azaadi", they can withdraw the troops from there, no ? It even complies with the UN Security Council resolution.

We saw Dimran scoring a major self-goal and we didn't even capitalize on this. Before 9/11, Pakistan military supported and aided Taliban and Al-qaeda. 9/11 happened. Pakistan did 180 degree turn and supported US. Dimmy called this a huge blunder. Therefore - a) Pakistan military assisted in 9/11 and b ) Dimmy supported Al Qaeda even after 9/11 when US was bleeding against it.

Why don't we bring UNHCR resolution against Bakis on their human rights records against minorities ? Or about Balochistan ?

Whenever Dimran brings up "8 lakh troops in J&K", why don't we just say we're guarding against repeat of Op Grandslam and Kargil. And ask Dimran to decrease TSPA troop strength or something like that ?

When do we tell China to part with us a proportion of the profits of CPEC (granted, there probably will never be, but that's beside the point) ?

All this is definitely possible. We just need to get rid of our defensive mindset.

1. re: {baki} troop withdrawl and UN resolution.
GOI has to be careful. It has dismissed all talks of plebiscite and hence does not want to talk about UN resolution. It cannot talk of one part i.e. baki troop withdrawal while at the same time dismiss the other part i.e. plebiscite without appearing dishonest.

Bakis don't care about appearing dishonest before the world decision makers but India does. However, it had the effect of allowing bakis a free run as far as narratives building amongst the media, activist and masses is concerned.

2. re: "Dimran scoring a major self-goal"
Dimran has scored not one but several self-goals and India does use such material when briefing other nations. Modi did link 9/11 to Bakistan at the Howdy Modi event. However, India does not compete with bakistan/Dimran shouting matches, hardly any other country does.

3. re: Why don't we bring UNHCR resolution against Bakis on their human rights records against minorities?
Bakis where unsuccessful right? A normal country chooses not to interfere in the internal affairs of another country. That is the general principle.

However after Dimran's rant at the UNGA, we did have a line on the status of minorities in bakistan in the right to reply. Our failure is not at the official level but at the media level where bakis have invested hugely and successfully against India aided by anti-India and anti-Modi "Indian" voices.

4. re: China ... profits of CPEC
MEA did issue a statement on CPEC after the Chinese comment on Kashmir at UNGA. Asking for profit will gives legitimacy to an illegal act plus there is no profit. Pointing the illegality is the way to go.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby chetak » 29 Sep 2019 10:37

srin wrote:I hate we're being so defensive about Kashmir in the international fora. At last in domestic arena, we're talking about getting back PoK. But outside, we're still being quite defensive.

There is a huge scope for diplomatic aggression, and I'm disappointed that we're not making good use of that.

When have we asked Pakistan to provide real "azaadi" to the so-called "azad kashmir" ? If they so care about "azaadi", they can withdraw the troops from there, no ? It even complies with the UN Security Council resolution.

We saw Dimran scoring a major self-goal and we didn't even capitalize on this. Before 9/11, Pakistan military supported and aided Taliban and Al-qaeda. 9/11 happened. Pakistan did 180 degree turn and supported US. Dimmy called this a huge blunder. Therefore - a) Pakistan military assisted in 9/11 and b ) Dimmy supported Al Qaeda even after 9/11 when US was bleeding against it.

Why don't we bring UNHCR resolution against Bakis on their human rights records against minorities ? Or about Balochistan ?

Whenever Dimran brings up "8 lakh troops in J&K", why don't we just say we're guarding against repeat of Op Grandslam and Kargil. And ask Dimran to decrease TSPA troop strength or something like that ?

When do we tell China to part with us a proportion of the profits of CPEC (granted, there probably will never be, but that's beside the point) ?

All this is definitely possible. We just need to get rid of our defensive mindset.


The GoI is doing the correct thing and keeping the UN out of it.

It's best this way.

China is currently on the back foot because of trump. This may not last long so we must make hay while the sun shines.

We need to kick the sanctimonious UK right where it hurts them the most and quit the impotent commonwealth, downsize the high commissions and get bilateral trade, if any, on a strictly commercial footing without any false pappi jhappi and the obsequious manmohan singh type ring kissing.

UK without the EU is a third grade sub saharan type impoverished muslim state, looking to capitalize on false colonial empathy and brazenly purposeful amnesia to whitewash her brutal colonial plunder, the savagely violent, oppressive rule, and theft on a gargantuan scale to appear benevolent and regally accommodative of India.

The racist overtones still dominate the relationship but since times and fortunes have changed and subtly the overt has now gone covert.
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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby mmasand » 29 Sep 2019 10:46

UlanBatori wrote:The celebration occurred right after the sbeech. No time for courier etc. So did the interviews with the BeeBeeSee Pakis. Clearly they have no comms problems.


Cable TV has been operational and wasn't curbed. Besides, if you happen to live within 20-30 clicks of the IB and LC, you can receive all TSP channels with a pair of bunny ears (old school antenna).

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby chetak » 29 Sep 2019 10:49

mmasand wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:The celebration occurred right after the sbeech. No time for courier etc. So did the interviews with the BeeBeeSee Pakis. Clearly they have no comms problems.


Cable TV has been operational and wasn't curbed. Besides, if you happen to live within 20-30 clicks of the IB and LC, you can receive all TSP channels with a pair of bunny ears (old school antenna).


should jam these channels.


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