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Postby sudeepj » 08 Oct 2019 01:40

wig wrote:https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/plan-in-works-for-better-deal-for-tribes-in-j-k/843714.html

Plan in works for better deal for tribes in J&K
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Sources in the security establishment say besides structural and administrative changes, which will set in once the two UTs come into existence, work is in progress to look for possible ways of “re-densification” of the population.

A senior Intelligence Bureau (IB) official said the idea was presently being worked out at the security agencies’ level and “once the plan is finalised, a report will be shared with the higher-ups in the government”. Sources say the agencies are presently weighing two models — Pakistani and Chinese. Pakistani authorities undertook measures like settling Punjabis in PoK with active support from the country’s army, whereas Chinese did the same in Tibet’s Xinjiang by incentivising new settlers,
they say. They, however, contend despite J&K being fully integrated with mainland India, directly copying and implementing either of the two models will not work in the prevailing situation at least for a few initial years. “Therefore, we are working on evolving a model of our own for re-densification of population in the state,” said a senior official.
The plan, as being worked out, is to first “instil confidence” among the local tribes, who are currently living on the margins, the sources say, adding the aim will be to mainstream them.


The best way is this. Any member of the govt. who has served in Kashmir for X amount of years can apply for a govt. welfare scheme awarding them a plot of land in the valley. This will allow the first wave of battle hardened people to take ownership of land in Kashmir. Once this core is established, more people will follow.

Is there anyone, who will dare to deny our soldiers, who have shed their blood on the soil of Kashmir valley, a piece of that land?

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Postby UlanBatori » 08 Oct 2019 03:49

Can't believe it, but I am glad the govt has the "gall" to openly broach the topic of demographic democratic moderation. That is, increasing the population of moderate, law-abiding, Constitution-cognizant, loyal, forward-looking Indian citizens, in order to ensure that democratic elections are not hijacked by terrorists and secessionist negativists.
I am against Kerala-style all-out destruction of J&K's beauty and environment, and against marginalizing the people of Ladakh and J&K (not so sympathetic about the KV). I don't know how MAD plans to take these into account, but I do think GOI has very smart people on board. Given time and the luxury of going ahead with PLANNED progress rather than haphazard, I think wonderful results can be achieved.

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Postby UlanBatori » 08 Oct 2019 03:51

Maybe Mohammed Kaif, the ex cricketer should join paaltiks. His heart is definitely in the right place.

Yeow! Kaif just did better, far better, than a triple century!! What a beautifully phrased, elegantly played, and tough tweet. Debriefed Imran.
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Postby Vips » 08 Oct 2019 04:24

Farooq Abdullah demands unconditional release of all detainees for political process to begin.

Let me first try to make a pretense of defiance to mask my desperation to stay relevant. :lol:
Political process to begin - Me and my son want to got on into the gravy train :rotfl:

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Postby nachiket » 08 Oct 2019 04:32

KJo wrote:
Maybe Mohammed Kaif, the ex cricketer should join paaltiks. His heart is definitely in the right place.

Kaif contested the 2014 LS election from Phulpur with INC ticket and lost. Imran Khan has received condemnation on Twitter from several Indian cricketers after his UNGA speech including Azhar, Harbhajan, Mohammad Shami and Irfan Pathan.

'Despicable threats': Shami, Harbhajan, Irfan slam Pak PM Imran Khan's UN speech

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Postby A_Gupta » 08 Oct 2019 17:40

https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/uri-needs-more-bunkers/
Uri needs more bunkers

People living along the LoC in Uri, Tangdhar, Keran, Gurez and other areas had been living peacefully especially since 2003 ceasefire agreement between India and Pakistan and virtually cross border firing and shelling had become harsh memories of yester years for them but for the last two months, they are on the edge following intermittent shelling from Pakistani side which has resulted in heavy damage to many houses. The motives of such shelling especially by directly targeting residential houses and the families living therein must only be known to Pakistan but the fact is that with such aggressive designs on the borders, that country vain fully wanted to project the entire area as “disturbed” and in its terminology as “disputed” before the world to expect some miracle of what it had in its scheming of things .

The question is as how to deal with the situation when a rattled Pakistani leadership finding its jugular vein giving it bumps, resorting to such shelling in utter desperation. Two pronged strategy had to be evolved. One- as usual giving it a befitting retaliatory treatment of such dimensions that its heart missed not only a beat but many at a stretch, which our valiant forces are already doing and two – how to ensure that nearly two lakh people living in this sector were not put to any sort of inconvenience and hazards of such mindless and purposeless unprovoked Pakistani shelling. That could be possible only by constructing of bunkers especially in vulnerable areas. The compulsions of finding alternative ways to get protection from such aggressive designs of Pakistan has been in some cases like people constructing bunkers on their own and bearing entire cost of construction. That obviously cannot be true of every other inhabitant living along the LoC and the residents, as such, demanded proper action by the Government.

It may be noted that the malady afflicting Pakistan of resorting to unprovoked firing did not take place from August 5 only but many years in a row before also but as back as in 1998, Government took stock of the situation by sanctioning individual and community bunkers and most of them were in fact constructed. However, the severe earthquake of 2005 destroyed these bunkers and since 2003 ceasefire became operative, the need for such bunkers did not arise. The situation, however, needs proper review by the Government by arranging construction of bunkers for providing a security cover to the people in Uri sector vulnerable to malicious Pakistani designs.

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Postby A_Gupta » 08 Oct 2019 17:43

Incentivising corruption-The J&K way
https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/incentiv ... he-jk-way/

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Postby A_Gupta » 08 Oct 2019 17:46

http://kashmirtimes.com/newsdet.aspx?q=95294
J&K won't remain Union Territory forever: Shah
NEW DELHI, Oct 7: Union Home Minister Amit Shah on Monday reaffirmed that Jammu and Kashmir would not remain a Union Territory for forever and it will get back its statehood status once there is a favorable situation for that.
"Jammu and Kashmir would not remain a Union Territory forever and that the statehood would be returned once the situation is normalised," Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) said in an official statement quoting Shah.

The home minister also said that the notion that only Article 370 protected the Kashmiri culture and identity was a wrong one.
He asserted that all regional identities are inherently protected by the Indian Constitution and called the misuse of Article 370 the root cause of cross-border terrorism.

Shah made these remarks while speaking at a function where he met and interacted with the probationers of the 2018 batch of the Indian Police Service (IPS).

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Postby A_Gupta » 08 Oct 2019 17:47

http://kashmirtimes.com/newsdet.aspx?q=95281
Pak shells forward posts, villages in Poonch
POONCH, Oct 7: Pakistan consecutively for the second day shelled forward Indian border posts and villages on the Line of Control in Degwar sector of Poonch district on Monday.

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Postby Peregrine » 08 Oct 2019 21:51

Ahead of Xi's visit, China says Kashmirissue should be resolved bilaterally; drops UN references PTI

HIGHLIGHTS

- China said the Kashmir issue should be resolved between India and Pakistan, omitting its recent references to the UN and UNSC Resolutions

- We call on India and Pakistan to engage in dialogue and consultation on all issues including Kashmir issue and consolidate mutual trust: China

- The comments marked a significant shift on what China has been saying on Kashmir in recent weeks


BEIJING: As Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan arrived in Beijing on Tuesday for talks with Xi Jinping ahead of the Chinese President's important visit to India, China said the Kashmir issue should be resolved between New Delhi and Islamabad, significantly omitting its recent references to the UN and UN Security Council resolutions.

Foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang during his media briefing here on Tuesday did not make any official announcement about Xi's visit to India.

However, Chinese officials informally said an announcement would be made simultaneously in Beijing and New Delhi on Wednesday.

The foreign ministry has also called for a special media briefing on Wednesday on "Chinese leader's outbound visit".

"India and China have a tradition of high-level exchanges. Both sides have communication exchange over high-level visit. Any new information will be released soon, " Geng said in response to questions on Xi's visit to India.

Both India and China are major developing countries of the world and major emerging markets, he said.

"Since the Wuhan informal summit (last year), our bilateral relations have gathered good momentum, " he said.

"We have been advancing our cooperation and properly managing our differences. We have a tradition of high level exchange and our two sides are maintaining communication on high level exchange in the next phase. We should make good atmosphere and environment for this, " he said.

When asked about Khan's visit to Beijing ahead of Xi's trip to India and whether the Kashmir issue will figure in his talks with the Chinese leaders, Geng said that China's stand is that the Kashmir issue should be resolved between India and Pakistan.

"And so you are paying attention to the Kashmir issue, right? China's position on Kashmir issue is clear and consistent”, he said.

"We call on India and Pakistan to engage in dialogue and consultation on all issues including Kashmir issue and consolidate mutual trust. This is in line with interest of both countries and common aspiration of the world, " he said.

His comments marked a significant shift on what China has been saying on Kashmir in recent weeks in the aftermath of India's move to revoke Article 370of the Constitution removing the special status to Kashmir.

In its first reaction on August 6, the Chinese foreign ministry issued two separate statements.

In one statement, China also expressed its opposition to India's move to create a separate Union Territory of Ladakh highlighting Beijing's territorial claims in the area.

The second statement said, "We call on both India and Pakistan to peacefully resolve the relevant disputes through dialogue and consultation and safeguard peace and stability in the region".

But, China added UN and UNSC resolutions on Kashmir when Pakistan foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi visited Beijing few days later and met his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi.

"It (Kashmir issue) should be properly and peacefully resolved based on the UN Charter, relevant UN Security Council resolutions and bilateral agreement, " Wang had said.

A closed-door meeting of the UNSC on Kashmir where China maintained the same stand ended without any outcome or statement, in a snub to Beijing and Islamabad.

Later, Wang in his UN General Assembly speech mentioned the same which drew protests from India.

Geng's comments on Tuesday marks China's return to its original stand that Kashmir issue should be resolved bilaterally.

Observers say it is significant shift ahead of Xi's visit to India for his 2nd informal summit with Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

On Khan's visit, Geng said China attaches "great importance" to his trip.

Khan arrived here on a two-day official visit to China during which he would meet the country's top leadership including President Xi and discuss issues of regional and bilateral significance.

Significantly, Pakistan army chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa arrived here ahead of Khan on Monday night, according to the Pakistan army's media wing - the Inter-Services Public Relations ISPR).

Gen Bajwa would also attend Khan's key meetings with Xi and Premier Li Keqiang, highlighting his powerful position in Pakistan's power structure.

"COAS arrived China on official visit. COAS will meet Chinese mil leadership including PLA Army Commander, Vice Chairman of the Central Military Commission & Commander Southern Theater Command. COAS will also join PM for meeting with Chinese PM and President, " the ISPR tweeted.

Their visits came ahead of Xi's planned visit to India.

"China and Pakistan are all weather strategic cooperation partners. We have good tradition of close exchange and communication. We have strategic mutual trust and advancing practical cooperation.

Our cooperation in CPEC is bringing more outcomes to our peoples, " he said.

Geng, however, did not respond to question about General Bajwa's visit. Cheers

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Postby Peregrine » 09 Oct 2019 00:24

X Posted on the Terroristan Thread

JKLF protest bound for Chakothi village near LoC stopped by containers- Tariq Naqash

Participants of the ‘peoples’ freedom march’ under the aegis of pro-independence Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) reached near Jiskool on Sunday, a spot where the administration and police have blocked Muzaffarabad-Srinagar highway by placing containers, barbed wires, electricity poles and mounds of earth, witnesses said.

“Hum le ke rahengay azadi (We will get freedom by all means),” they were heard chanting constantly, while waving flags of Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) and their party (JKLF).

At present, the protest has entered a stalemate, with the administration insisting the march be called off and the protesters demanding the removal of the road blockade.

Muhammad Rafiq Dar, central spokesperson for the JKLF, told Dawn that the protesters, currently staging a sit-in, will wait until tomorrow for the removal of the containers.

"If they don't, we will continue to stage a sit-in here and announce our next plan after that," he said.

Dar said the march was a peaceful programme aimed at expressing solidarity with the besieged Kashmiris and drawing the attention of the international community towards the urgent need of an immediate and peaceful settlement to the long pending [Kashmir] issue. He said that his group did not want to engage in any kind of confrontation with the local law enforcement personnel.

“We are not for any kind of confrontation or violence because that will serve the Indian purpose,” he told Dawn.

Earlier in the day, Dar had urged the AJK administration to remove the containers so that the marchers could reach Chakothi, a village which is 3 kilometres before the Line of Control (LoC) but is overlooked by Indian gun positions atop lofty mountains across the divide.

“I hope they will allow us carry on our peaceful march to the town of Chakothi,” he had said.

The marchers had started their journey from Garhi Dupatta, located some 20 kilometres south of Muzaffarabad, at 10:30am, but on vehicles and motorcycles.

The caravan reached Hattian Bala, 40kms from Muzaffarbad, at about 12:15pm, where they were warmly welcomed by local residents.

A little before Hattian Bala, the caravan was joined by another rally that had started from Bagh via the famous hill resorts of Sudhan Galli and Chikar.

From Hattian Bala, the marchers once again started walking on foot and reached Chinari by 3:15pm.

Chinari is located around 50 kilometres from Muzaffarabad and some 11 kilometres before the LoC. There, the participants had taken a break for refreshments and Zuhr prayers.

Jiskool, close to where the caravan has currently stopped, is located around two kilometres ahead of Chinari.

Video clips shared by the participants on social media showed exemplary response of locals, who offered food, fresh fruits, juices and water to the marchers apart from showering rose petals on them.

While in Chinari, the JKLF central spokesperson had told Dawn that they would hold consultations for their next course of action.

“We know the road ahead is blocked. And the place where the containers have been laid is narrow with steep mountains and river [Jhelum] on the right and left, respectively [...] We don’t want even a single participant to suffer any harm there,” he said.

“We have to save our energies for [confrontation with] India.”

Dar had anticipated that by sunset the crowd would thin out, and the rest of the participants would stage a sit-in half a kilometre before the containers until the next move.

On the other side of the containers in Jiskool, Divisional Commissioner Chaudhry Imtiaz, Deputy Inspector General Police Sardar Ilyas Khan, Jhelum Valley Deputy Commissioner Imran Shaheen and Superintendent Police Arshad Naqvi were also present.

Leaders of the march had been invited by the administration for talks.

“We have already humbly informed the organisers that there is a serious threat of Indian shelling. The Indians would not only target the marchers but also the entire civilian population in this area, something they have never hesitated from in the past," Imtiaz told Dawn by telephone.

When asked if the marchers could be allowed up to Chakothi for a sit-in there, he said: “It is our primary responsibility to protect [the lives of] the marchers. The last point where we could allow them to reach is this [Jiskool]. Beyond this point is the firing range, therefore there is no question of allowing them,”he said.

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Postby vijayk » 09 Oct 2019 02:14

https://theprint.in/opinion/abdullah-mu ... ia/302497/
Abdullah, Mufti in Kashmir aren’t ‘pro-India mainstream’. They’re just not openly anti-India
If rudimentary oath-taking to Constitution is a sign of being pro-India, then even Hurriyat leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani took oath as an MLA.


One canard being constantly spread about Kashmir is that there was a “pro-India mainstream managing the problem” for New Delhi and that in detaining these folks under the Public Safety Act (PSA), India has scored a self-goal. This is highly contestable, and amounts to a false narrative that has misguided the Indian debate for far too long.

From Sheikh Abdullah to his son Farooq Abdullah and grandson Omar Abdullah to Peoples’ Democratic Party (PDP) chief Mehbooba Mufti – the so-called mainstream politicians of Kashmir – no one has ever actually been “pro India”. They have at best vacillated between trying to get into Pakistan’s good books and not opposing India, while peddling all the time the Pakistani line: ‘talk to the Hurriyat, talk to Pakistan’.
Sheikh Abdullah, for example, did not spend time in jail for being pro-India. Both Jawaharlal Nehru and Indira Gandhi put him behind bars for trying to get the Pakistanis, Americans and the British involved in Kashmir. But then this would swing wildly because Indira Gandhi foisted him as the chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir after the 1975 pact, even though Abdullah’s National Conference (NC) did not have a single MLA while Gandhi’s Congress had 61 of the 75 seats.
Then there’s Mehbooba Mufti, who began her political career by calling Pakistan-backed militants in Kashmir “freedom fighters”, extending condolences to the families of slain militants by visiting their homes, and her father Mufti Mohammad Sayeed thanking Pakistan soon after his party’s election to power in 2014. When the Centre banned the pro-Pakistan Islamist organisation Jamaat-e-Islami after the Pulwama suicide bombing in which 44 CRPF soldiers were killed, Omar Abdullah batted for them asking the government to review its decision.

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Postby UlanBatori » 09 Oct 2019 02:14

What with 11's U-turn I wonder: he said it with Dimran right there. Obvious trap, but how?

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Postby ramana » 09 Oct 2019 11:50

UlanBatori wrote:What with 11's U-turn I wonder: he said it with Dimran right there. Obvious trap, but how?

Mammallapuram summit starting 8 October

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Postby Deans » 09 Oct 2019 12:40

Kakkaji wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:Qn to the J&K experts: Why do ppl FLY from Jammu to Srinagar? Fear of terrorist attack, or condition of roads? How long is the distance and the trip time? Some time back there was a big deal on an express train route opened. Isn't that a lot nicer than getting on a plane?


Train route Jammu to Srinagar is not yet complete. Express train goes from Delhi to Jammu to Katra. From Katra to go to Kashmir valley you have to cross the Pir Panjal mountains. This is where IR is building the most challenging section of railways in the world. It is not yet complete


The rail project is now only being delayed for non payment /payment disputes by contractors (I think one was ILFS). The technical challenges have been overcome. Flights from IXJ to SXR (and reverse) are not point to point, but originate or end in another city, so the Jammu-Srinagar fares are very competitive. The road journey, when it does not snow heavily, is also fast and comfortable.

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Postby manjgu » 09 Oct 2019 12:56

the delhi srinagar route is the most profitable route for airlines during normal times..always goes full round the year. road journey is not comfortable if u r a in a bus or shared transport ( sumo, qualis etc).

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Postby UlanBatori » 09 Oct 2019 17:45

ramana wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:What with 11's U-turn I wonder: he said it with Dimran right there. Obvious trap, but how?

Mammallapuram summit starting 8 October


I have a feeling it *****MAY**** be something else: Pressure from Yoo Enn/ Yoo Ess on Uighuristan. GOTUS has started the MSM armies to start barking. "Sanctions", other jhapads (visa denials to cheens based on this..)
He may be getting slow realization that supporting the Pak terror enterprise is coming back to bite his musharraf. Watch for any signs of illness in senior PLA/ politburo ranks, with vacations to Gobi Le Education Centel.

The signs were there at the UN Closed Door Session on Cashmore: cheen didn't actually have any objection, except to armtwist India to agree not to cause trouble in Aksai Chin and Xinjiang.

Consider this: If Aksai Chin becomes difficult to navigate due to vacuum implosions on the railway/roads, I think ability to move troops to Xinjiang will be seriouslu hurt; of course cheen must have a huge airlift capacity. Still, the East Pakistan India Overflight problem of 1971 on a smaller scale.
But even that show of fear and weakness by cheen must have caused the Barracuda-ul-Duplicity to smell blood. They started by hammering Dimran asking why he wasn't :(( about Uighuristan. Then followed up with these MAJOR jhapads (visa denials etc).

Cost to cheen is rising: the cattle cars from Beijing to Gobi LC must start rolling.

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Postby vijayk » 09 Oct 2019 21:39

11 Ping took another U turn. wants Cash mere to be solved according to UN charter

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Postby pankajs » 09 Oct 2019 21:47

Everyone is playing a game. China takes a U-turn just before Modi/Xi meet. How long before it reverses it again?

Pocket the statement for now but keep long-term focus on China and its games in our neighborhood. Its agenda is undiminished.

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Postby CRamS » 09 Oct 2019 22:14

vijayk wrote:https://theprint.in/opinion/abdullah-mufti-in-kashmir-arent-pro-india-mainstream-theyre-just-not-openly-anti-india/302497/
Abdullah, Mufti in Kashmir aren’t ‘pro-India mainstream’. They’re just not openly anti-India
If rudimentary oath-taking to Constitution is a sign of being pro-India, then even Hurriyat leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani took oath as an MLA.



Good article from AIM. The more I think about how well this move has been thought out, and how its been executed, I cannot help but appreciate the clarity in thinking of the fab 4.

One of the corner stones of this 370 BS was complete autonomy. So what these Mufti and Abdullah traitors were hoping for was get some maximal autonomy, be in the good books of both India & TSP (India for the investment and moolah, TSP for the Isalmic love), and hope to rule the roost.

These arse holes were never patriotic nor really cared for India. They would hide behind "we are Indian citizens" and "free speech" crap to basically humiliate India and not utter a word of condemnation against TSP pigLeT terror. And they were very happy so long as the Indian armed forced faced the horror of TSP pigLeTs, loosing valuable lives, while they sat perched knowing fully well that their position is secure and TSP would not harm them.

Maybe they had grand dreams of 'sardars of Kashmir' even hosting white dignitaries in an quasi 'independent' Kashmir. Post 370 busted their lies.
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Postby UlanBatori » 09 Oct 2019 23:08

Phew! Had me worried there for a while. Situation Back to Naaaarmal. Eleven as slimy as ever.

Just days ahead of President Xi Jinping’s visit to India, the Chinese leader demonstrated his country’s resolute support for Pakistan over its dispute with India in the Himalayan Kashmir region, vowing to support Islamabad’s “core interests and key concerns.”

“The rights and wrongs of the situation in Kashmir are clear,” China Central Television reported Wednesday, citing Xi who was hosting Pakistan’s Prime Minister Imran Khan in Beijing. “China supports Pakistan in safeguarding its legitimate rights and interests and hopes that the parties concerned can resolve the dispute through peaceful dialogue.”

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Postby g.sarkar » 10 Oct 2019 00:47

Pakistan is really concerned about the future of JK's "Silicon Valley":
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2072740/3- ... on-valley/
India clampdown hits occupied Kashmir's Silicon Valley
SRINAGAR: The coffee machines have been cold, computer screens blank and work stations empty for two months in occupied Kashmir’s Silicon Valley as an Indian communications blockade on the troubled region takes a growing toll on business.
The dozen software development companies in the Rangreth industrial estate on the edge of Srinagar bring tens of millions of dollars of crucial revenue into the region each year.
But the cutting of internet and mobile phone links on August 5, when the New Delhi government ended Kashmir’s semi-autonomous status, has crippled business. Rangreth has become a ghost town, a symbol of suffering across the occupied region.
The Indian government claims the crackdown, backed by the presence of hundreds of thousands of security forces, was needed to head off trouble by freedom fighters in the Muslim-majority territory. Markets, banks, schools, clothes stores and the fledgeling hi-tech industry have all been closed. Many locals say the shutdown is in protest at the government action.
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Postby UlanBatori » 10 Oct 2019 02:01

Lots of "Kashmiris" on YouTube demanding restoration of "communications" b4 tourism is resumed. Because "tourists will surely need Internet". I wonder how they are able to post on YouTube without Internet..

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Postby chetak » 10 Oct 2019 02:38

pankajs wrote:Everyone is playing a game. China takes a U-turn just before Modi/Xi meet. How long before it reverses it again?

Pocket the statement for now but keep long-term focus on China and its games in our neighborhood. Its agenda is undiminished.


the US cheeni trade war has singed the han buttocks and he is helpless in the face of trump's unpredictable assaults.

the han are now banking on India to help pull their chestnuts out of the fire.

so the han is saying what he thinks/imagines that India would like to hear

we should not be foolish enough to divert our attention away from safeguarding our core interests.

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Postby KJo » 10 Oct 2019 03:03

So can anyone tell me (and others), what are the restrictions in J&K as of today? I have lost track with all the news coming out.

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Postby saip » 10 Oct 2019 03:21

This must be some kind of record. In CashMore people are without food, water and medicine for the past 9 weeks but no one has died.

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Postby rajsunder » 10 Oct 2019 05:48

g.sarkar wrote:Pakistan is really concerned about the future of JK's "Silicon Valley":
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2072740/3- ... on-valley/
India clampdown hits occupied Kashmir's Silicon Valley
SRINAGAR: The coffee machines have been cold, computer screens blank and work stations empty for two months in occupied Kashmir’s Silicon Valley as an Indian communications blockade on the troubled region takes a growing toll on business.
The dozen software development companies in the Rangreth industrial estate on the edge of Srinagar bring tens of millions of dollars of crucial revenue into the region each year.
But the cutting of internet and mobile phone links on August 5, when the New Delhi government ended Kashmir’s semi-autonomous status, has crippled business. Rangreth has become a ghost town, a symbol of suffering across the occupied region.
The Indian government claims the crackdown, backed by the presence of hundreds of thousands of security forces, was needed to head off trouble by freedom fighters in the Muslim-majority territory. Markets, banks, schools, clothes stores and the fledgeling hi-tech industry have all been closed. Many locals say the shutdown is in protest at the government action.
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Most probably these IT companies in J&K were used as conduit for hawala money for supporting terrorist activities in J&K

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Shock for Cong, NC, PDP: 1382 join fray for BDC elections
https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/shock-fo ... elections/

JAMMU, Oct 9: Notwithstanding the National Conference, People’s Democratic Party (PDP), Congress, People’s Conference, CPM and other Kashmir based political parties dissociating from the process of elections to chairpersons of 310 Block Development Councils (BDCs), an impressive number of 1382 candidates have jumped into the fray as nominations closed today, springing a major surprise and giving snub to the parties which refused to join the electoral fray on the ground of alleged restrictions and detentions.

The Panchayat members including Sarpanchs and Panchs, who were eligible for contesting the elections to the BDC Chairpersons, gave thumbs up to the electoral exercise for second tier of Panchayats in Kashmir valley too as Kupwara district led 22 districts of the State with highest number of 131 candidates followed by Baramulla 110. Jammu district was third with 105 candidates while significant number of 65 candidates joined the fray in South Kashmir’s Anantnag district.

Pollsters and certain vested interests who had been predicting that the BDC election exercise will turn out to be futile in the absence of major parties like PDP, NC and Congress, were virtually shocked by 1382 candidates taking the plunge into electoral battle for 310 BDCs. Much to the surprise of Congress, five candidates filed their nomination papers in Jammu district on the party mandate.

In Ladakh division too, which will become a Union Territory on October 31 alongwith J&K, Kargil district outclassed Leh in number of candidates. While 68 candidates joined the electoral contest in Kargil district, only 48 candidates filed their papers in Leh. Out of 1382 candidates, 751 filed papers in Jammu, 515 in Kashmir and 116 in Ladakh.

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Postby ramana » 10 Oct 2019 06:47

Pre-paid phone services to be restored first.

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Postby ramana » 10 Oct 2019 06:47

KJo go easy on emoticons and words.

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Postby Deans » 10 Oct 2019 10:47

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Most probably these IT companies in J&K were used as conduit for hawala money for supporting terrorist activities in J&K[/quote]

Yes. because you cannot evaluate the value of the `software' exported, against which remittances arrive, as official export proceeds. ISI can set up an office in the Middle East and award software contracts to a Kashmiri firm. Its harder to track down than say over-invoicing walnut exports across the LOC.
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Postby Deans » 10 Oct 2019 11:06

KJo wrote:So can anyone tell me (and others), what are the restrictions in J&K as of today? I have lost track with all the news coming out.

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Restrictions:
4 of the 6 districts in Kashmir do not have mobile or Internet access. However, there are internet kiosks, PCO's and land lines functioning, as well as some mobiles for critical services. There is no communication restriction in Jammu, Ladakh, kupwara and Handwara.

8 to 10, of the 196 police stations have section 144 (no crowds can assemble without permission). Note - That is not a curfew. There is no curfew anywhere in J&K Hasn't been for at least a month.

Political prisoners detained until they sign a good behavior bond (fairly standard practice). Some have been released.
3100 of the total of 4000 detained since Aug 5 were released after only a short period of detention (mostly first time stone throwers, those making threats).

What is unrestricted:
No restrictions on movement of people or goods of any kind.
Movement of goods into and out of the valley is mostly unaffected. For e.g. if there was a drop in even 10% of apple dispatches out of the valley (Kashmir accounts for 2/3rd of India's production), prices should have surged. They haven't. I was in the apple Mandi at Kullu, Himachal last week and was told there is no increase in the price of Himachal apples (over normal inflation) on account of restricted supply from Kashmir. This is a fairly simple thing for the MSM to check, but they haven't. Apples are a proxy for the movement of everything else in the state.

What is affected
Apart from mobile / internet in most of the Kashmir valley, School attendance, public transport (partly), longer opening hours of markets etc.

If it is a form of civil disobedience, its best to ignore (in my opinion), just as one would ignore a kid throwing a tantrum. Trying to win hearts and minds by easing restrictions, is the policy that failed for the last 30+ years.

Gains:
The last 9 weeks have had the lowest civilian casualty figures in 30 years. EVERY Kashmiri civilian killed, all 3 of them, were killed by fellow Kashmiris. We also have the best terrorist: security forces killed ratio in years.

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Postby chetak » 10 Oct 2019 15:57

pankajs wrote:Everyone is playing a game. China takes a U-turn just before Modi/Xi meet. How long before it reverses it again?

Pocket the statement for now but keep long-term focus on China and its games in our neighborhood. Its agenda is undiminished.


This Modi/Xi meet has degenerated to a mere garden variety photo op with nothing of substance to discuss, no substantiative agenda and no agreements to sign.

In fact, Modi and Xi are openly at loggerheads and there will be no give in either's position.

There is an enormous difference, qualitatively as well as quantitatively, in the character and capabilities of the major dramatis personae of the 1962 era and the current 2019 era and xi is very painfully constrained by the fact that India has huge worldwide support and china has almost none.

Modi has disregarded all of Xi's intimidatory tactics and faced china down. Unless there is a shooting war, which xi simply cannot afford without paying for it with his own severed head. So, at the end of the day, this meet is a just food sampling affair.

So, let us hope that xi and his pals brought their appetites at least.

no joint statement after but both will make their own statements separately.

and xi cannot afford to lose face in a foreign country, so both will, hopefully, be circumspect in their utterances.

In the end, xi will not take home anything more than the memories of splendorous and ancient temples and a media extravaganza from his mamallapuram meeting with Modi, if he does come, that is.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby wig » 10 Oct 2019 21:11

Deans wrote:
KJo wrote:So can anyone tell me (and others), what are the restrictions in J&K as of today? I have lost track with all the news coming out.

(Self Edited)



4 of the 6 districts in Kashmir do not have mobile or Internet access. However, there are internet kiosks, PCO's and land lines functioning, as well as some mobiles for critical services. There is no communication restriction in Jammu, Ladakh, kupwara and Handwara.

minor nitpick
internet on mobile phones is not available in Jammu and other districts. Mobile telephone are working.
Internet is available in Jammu only on land line connections

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Postby UlanBatori » 10 Oct 2019 22:54

IMO NM-11 summit is intended to majorly increase Pepto Bismol sales in Pindi. Trust MAD to have something good planned.

UBCN has learned from its Usually Reliable But Anonymous Well-Informed Authoritative Soruces that Xi is coming to beg for an Indian guarantee of open CPEC to Gwadar post liberation of POK and Balochistan. In exchange, (a) promise of no cheen resistance to Indian liberation of POK, (b) no cheen resistance if Balochistan declares independence and (c) Shared Infrastructure Agreement (SIA) to be signed to enable both Indian and Chinese to use the roads across Aksai Chin and the Area Illegally Ceded to China. Basically, Dimran is to be sold down the Sutlej.

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Postby KJo » 10 Oct 2019 23:52

Congress slaves in the UK try to enlist Brit Modi hater MP Corbyn for their agenda.

‘Not authorised to speak’: Congress after its UK chapter discusses Kashmir with Jeremy Corbyn
https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... p-6063082/

This Corbyn guy is a major Modi/India hater on twitter. The fact that he was contacted shows the mindset.

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Postby manjgu » 11 Oct 2019 07:41

the so called civil disobedience is actually a coerced disobedience ...not out of free will of the people. the threat of violence is their in the background. however, the shutters of shops may be down but business is happening from the back door. orders are being taken verbally and shipment delivered from the shops or warehouses. the friendly houseboat owner i know brought some electric blankets the other day and planning to install a flat TV for the upcoming season. do u think a shop owner can survive for 2 months without selling.

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Postby Jay » 11 Oct 2019 07:56

KJo wrote:Congress slaves in the UK try to enlist Brit Modi hater MP Corbyn for their agenda.

‘Not authorised to speak’: Congress after its UK chapter discusses Kashmir with Jeremy Corbyn
https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... p-6063082/

This Corbyn guy is a major Modi/India hater on twitter. The fact that he was contacted shows the mindset.

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Can someone identify these traitorous ingrates from the picture? Not a bad idea to target them in whatever way we can(no physical violence) and start nullifying their influence.

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https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/pak-ammu ... rs-killed/
Pak ammunition dump hit on LoC, 3 troops killed

JAMMU, Oct 10: An ammunition dump of Pakistan army was hit in retaliatory shelling by the Indian troops in which at least three enemy troopers were killed while Pakistan continued heavy shelling in civilian areas of Poonch sector in which two persons including a woman were injured.

Reports said Pakistan army continued heavy shelling and firing targeting forward defence posts and civilian areas on the Line of Control (LoC) in Shahpur, Kirni, Khari, Karmara, Gountrian, Balakote, Digwar and surrounding villages in Poonch district since last night. The Indian side retaliated effectively to silence the Pakistan guns which were directly targeting the civilian population.
According to the reports, an ammunition dump of Pakistan army was hit in retaliatory action by the Indian troops in Chirikot sector of Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK), leading to series of explosions in which at least three Pakistani army personnel were killed and two others were injured.

Two to three posts of Pakistan army were also destroyed, they said.

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https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/transpor ... in-valley/
Transporters facing heat of lockdown in Valley

SRINAGAR, Oct 10: With lockdown in Kashmir crossing two-month mark, the heat of it is widely being faced by the transporters who have not got even a single working day since August 5, forcing them to look for other options for sustenance, while they struggle in paying back their debts.

The worst affected are those whose mini-buses and sumos were plying on the city roads, but have not ventured out since August 5 when restrictions were imposed in Kashmir after abrogation of Articles 370 and 35A.

Abdul Hamid Bhat, who hailed from Srinagar city, has started selling vegetables in the morning which is helping him to earn few bucks to take care of his family needs. But what is worrying him now is that he is not able to deposit the monthly installments for the vehicle financed by J&K Bank.

“I have not earned a penny since August 5, but things went worse with the unending lockdown making it difficult for me to take care of my family-that’s why I started selling vegetables in the morning, but what remains there as a worry is the fact that how can I pay bank loan,” he said.

Few more people-drivers by profession-are also facing with the same situation which they say is full of ‘ambiguity’ and ‘uncertainty,’ with no option but to wait and watch.


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