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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 23 Oct 2019 22:23

power to ban marches of this nature lies solely with the UK home secretary

So it is in the hands of Mohterma Pee Pee, whose musharraf is on the line if there is violence again. Let's see.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Peregrine » 23 Oct 2019 22:57

US Congressional testimony harps mostly on Kashmir - Chidanand Rajghatta – TNN

HIGHLIGHTS

- Testimony and witnesses who spoke about human rights abuses were sidelined as lawmakers pilloried India for its heavy-handed approach in Kashmir

- Indian officials were clearly taken aback by the largely one-sided narrative of Indian oppression and the lockdown in the Valley without the historical context of Pakistan's use of subversive violence and terrorism to ignite unrest


WASHINGTON: India got a shellacking over the human rights situation in Kashmir Valley as Democrat lawmakers, already leery of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's embrace of US President Donald Trump during a recent rally in Houston, lit into New Delhi during five hours of intense Congressional testimony on Tuesday.

Although the hearing by the House of Representatives subcommittee on Asia, the Pacific, and Non-Proliferation chaired by California Congressman Brad Sherman was ostensibly on 'Human Rights in South Asia', the proceedings centred mostly on the situation in Kashmir Valley. Testimony and witnesses who spoke about human rights abuses in Pakistan's Sindh province, and concern about the fate of Tamils in Sri Lanka and Baloch in Pakistan (who were not invited to testify), were all sidelined as lawmakers, primed by what some said was pressure from Kashmiri constituents, pilloried India for its heavy-handed approach in the Valley.

Indian officials were clearly taken aback by the largely one-sided narrative of Indian oppression and the lockdown in the Valley without the historical context of Pakistan's use of subversive violence and terrorism to ignite unrest, even taking into account the hearing was on human rights, not geopolitics. It was actually left to the US administration officials to point out that Pakistan's continued patronage of terrorism and terror groups were the root cause of what they too acknowledged was a humanitarian crisis.

Notwithstanding the lobbying from separatist Kashmiri constituents that caused lawmakers to focus mainly on the lockdown, there was also domestic politics at play at the hearing. It was dominated by Democratic lawmakers who have traditionally been strong human rights votaries, and some of them, according to sources, were already agitated by the Indian Prime Minister's support for a US President they loath.

Although a few Democrats attended the 'Howdy, Modi' rally in Houston last month, several more who had committed to attend stayed away because of reservations about the Modi-Trump bromance. The shadow of that episode fell heavily on Tuesday's hearing on a day things got stickier for President Trump on the impeachment front.

In fact, Congressman Sherman, who held the hearing as chair of the subcommittee, is also co-chair of the Congressional Caucus on India and Indian Americans, making the dressing down India got all the more unpalatable for New Delhi. Only a couple of Republican lawmakers turned up for the hearing, which was itself a sideshow on the Hill on a day Congress was consumed with hearings on the Syria-Turkey crisis and Brexit, not to speak of explosive testimony on the Ukraine issue.

Still, the focus on the plight of Kashmiri Muslims in the Valley without concurrent attention or concern for pandits displaced by ethnic cleansing agitated the Indian side, particularly those representing the Hindu perspective. Suhag Shukla, executive director of the Hindu American Foundation, pointed out that committee was agitated about Kashmiris not having internet access, but did not care about the forced conversions of Hindu women in Kashmir or the lack of rights in Pakistan occupied Kashmir.

"Not a single @HouseForeign Democrat understands the Hindu perspective on #Kashmir. All antagonistic to India and not a single mention of #KashmiriPandits. We all must process this. The party has turned in this regard," Shukla, who attended the hearing, tweeted, implicitly suggesting a reassessment of the traditionally strong Indian-American support for Democrats.

While Democrat lawmakers were clearly primed by their Pakistani and Kashmiri Muslim constituents with gut-wrenching stories, some of which New Delhi says exaggerated, Indian officials also rued the lack of lobbying from Indian-Americans - particularly the so-called "selfie-seeking Modi bhakts" who are otherwise vocal on social media and - to put forth the Indian perspective.

However, officials also counted some positives that emerged from the meeting: No Congressman questioned New Delhi's fundamental right to effect constitutional changes that have led to the lockdown in the Valley. Lawmakers also appeared to understand that the unrest is restricted to the Valley, and the situation in Jammu and Ladakh, not to speak of the rest of India, home to more than 200 million Muslims, is normal despite the concerns of Congresswoman Ilhan Omar.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby mmasand » 23 Oct 2019 23:23

UlanBatori wrote:
power to ban marches of this nature lies solely with the UK home secretary

So it is in the hands of Mohterma Pee Pee, whose musharraf is on the line if there is violence again. Let's see.


Not really, law and order rests with the city aka Sadiq's Mirpuri brigade largely outside of the big smoke. Priti bibi can only intervene in the aftermath of any untoward incident and send the NCA teams to shake the boat to a relatively small police force - City of London Police (different from the Met). They have a much bigger issue to worry about with an impending GE on the cards.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby RCase » 24 Oct 2019 02:33

Kaivalya wrote:
pankajs wrote:Harish Salve: Why Supreme Court is Unlikely to Void Article 370 Move
....
I wish we had more Harish Salves so these kind of subtle differences can be brought to our attention even though the interviewer is hell bent on using words like "trickery" etc. all the way to eliciting a personal opinion to support negative aspersion. I could see the interviewer quibbling for some moral or ethical ground all the way through with none given by Harish Salve.
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What else can you expect of Gen. Pran Nath Thapar's son!
He was head of Indian army during the Sino-Indian War and resigned in disgrace on 19 November 1962 for his dismal failure during the war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pran_Nath_Thapar

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Gerard » 24 Oct 2019 04:14

Harish Salve: Why Supreme Court is Unlikely to Void Article 370 Move


GOI legal advisors on this are brilliant. The political class in J+K must be still reeling in shock. Bifurcation at end of the month. Ladakh, 58% of land area of J+K becomes a separate UT. The blows don't end.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby A_Gupta » 24 Oct 2019 04:57

Kaivalya wrote:
pankajs wrote:Harish Salve: Why Supreme Court is Unlikely to Void Article 370 Move



Thank you pankajsji - Now I understand why HM&PM say 370 deprives kashmiris of their rights as they are available to other states.

I wish we had more Harish Salves so these kind of subtle differences can be brought to our attention even though the interviewer is hell bent on using words like "trickery" etc. all the way to eliciting a personal opinion to support negative aspersion. I could see the interviewer quibbling for some moral or ethical ground all the way through with none given by Harish Salve.


No, the interviewer plumbed the depths so that no one can say “but he didn’t address these points”, by not asking them.

Key takeaways: what the government had Parliament ratify regarding 370 is within the constitutional powers of each. There is actually a precedent to the powers exercised, namely regarding Sadr-I-Riyasat etc., which the SC upheld.

The Supreme Court is erring in not taking up with urgency the habeas corpus/bail/detention - to do with the liberty of Indian citizens - in general, not just in the J&K case.

In deactivating article 370, the Center has actually lost some powers over J&K that it has had, which it never had with respect to the other states. However the political focus has been on residency laws in J&K.

Preventive detention, while allowed in the Constitution, is nevertheless a yellow flag on democracy.

The Supreme Court has allowed itself to be used by a group of people with an agenda, who will turn on it as soon as the SC divests itself of such, and India will pay a price for this degradation of the Court. (I can only guess whom Salve is referring to).

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Postby A_Gupta » 24 Oct 2019 05:01

PA - in particular, the condition of release of J&K detainees, that they not speak about recent events in J&K, in Salve’s opinion, should be rubbished by the Court.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Rishirishi » 24 Oct 2019 06:00

Key takeaways: what the government had Parliament ratify regarding 370 is within the constitutional powers of each. There is actually a precedent to the powers exercised, namely regarding Sadr-I-Riyasat etc., which the SC upheld.

The Supreme Court is erring in not taking up with urgency the habeas corpus/bail/detention - to do with the liberty of Indian citizens - in general, not just in the J&K case.

In deactivating article 370, the Center has actually lost some powers over J&K that it has had, which it never had with respect to the other states. However the political focus has been on residency laws in J&K.

Preventive detention, while allowed in the Constitution, is nevertheless a yellow flag on democracy.

The Supreme Court has allowed itself to be used by a group of people with an agenda, who will turn on it as soon as the SC divests itself of such, and India will pay a price for this degradation of the Court. (I can only guess whom Salve is referring to).


I think it will have more to do with political bias, which we all hold. The main time will be spent in justification of the ruling.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 24 Oct 2019 07:29

A_Gupta wrote:PA - in particular, the condition of release of J&K detainees, that they not speak about recent events in J&K, in Salve’s opinion, should be rubbished by the Court.

And more power to the court on that. But the govt reasons that it will take a few months for the issue to come up, and by then they will squirm out of it as "temporary" etc.

OTOH, note that India has the laws to punish "incitement to violence" and "offending the sentiments of XYZ". Charges can be filed under those, and they can be non-bailable, I believe.

If the netas get up and say: "I am unhappy about ppl being denied freedom" I don't think anything will happen to them. If they launch into fiery bus-burning exhortations, they can expect to resume chappati-making lessons. Fair enough, and I think the courts appear to understand that very clearly, so far.

At the risk of bringing in some haraam comparisons, post-9/11/01, what the courts in the Yoo Ess have allowed is mind-boggling, but only until one looks back at what they did during WW-2 (like allowing the ethnic "cleansing" of Japanese-American citizens into concentration camps, looting all their property). Even todin, if one gets on the No-Fly List one is out of luck.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby menon s » 24 Oct 2019 14:28

The boys are not in a mood to stop!
they are targeting Leswa in Neelum valley today.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby menon s » 24 Oct 2019 14:35

menon s wrote:The boys are not in a mood to stop!
they are targeting Leswa in Neelum valley today.


this about 35 kms from LOC, at URI.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby menon s » 24 Oct 2019 15:30

Lala Village near Athmuqam town in Neelam valley targeted by Army. two dead, as per local reports.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 24 Oct 2019 17:42

menon s wrote:this about 35 kms from LOC, at URI.

U mean 35 kms WEST of Yellow Sea? :eek:
Mijjiles!

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby menon s » 24 Oct 2019 17:47

WE are digging deep into their area.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 24 Oct 2019 17:56

Need OverPerforming Thrusters (ISRO terminology) to accidentally reach out and touch ISI HQ.

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Postby CRamS » 24 Oct 2019 19:41

The state of pseudo Lutyen intellectuals in India:

1. That vile traitor Rana Ayyub puking on India and all but seeking 'azaadi' for Kashmir in WP is hailed as an 'inspiration' to these pseudos

2. Poor Aaarti Singh Tikoo a Kashmiri Hindus who had the courage to testify (although I feel she shouldn't have) before an Islam-pasand, Uncle Tom India lynch mob at the US Congress is relentlessly trolled and mocked.

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Postby CRamS » 24 Oct 2019 19:58

Some low-IQ idiots in India like Suhasini Haider etc are spinning this Kartarpur opening as a 'shining example' of India TSP bonhomie existing despite all the other troubles. I wonder how such clowns get to hold their jobs with such trash.

Anyone with elementary TSP 101 knows that TSP is playing with Sikh sentiments and it knows India cannot soft peddle. Its very sensitive. In fact, as the recent flare up at the LoC shows, TSP's strategy was to score a big hit and dare India to call off Kartaurpur opening and then pit Indian govt against Sikhs through more grandiose overtures and p!ss songs with 'friendly' chutiyas on Indian side like Burka bibi.

So ModiJi & Co while sincerely adhering to Sikh sentiments and yet were steadfast and resolute in preventing TSP from milking this beyond a certain point. So in the end, TSP's gambit came to naught and India managed to keep Kartarpur a fairly low-key affair just respecting the deep religious sentiments of Sikhs.

It requires some breathtaking unimaginative optimism to suggest that Kartarpur showcases TSP's reasonable behavior.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Sonugn » 24 Oct 2019 20:08

CRamS wrote:The state of pseudo Lutyen intellectuals in India:

1. That vile traitor Rana Ayyub puking on India and all but seeking 'azaadi' for Kashmir in WP is hailed as an 'inspiration' to these pseudos

2. Poor Aaarti Singh Tikoo a Kashmiri Hindus who had the courage to testify (although I feel she shouldn't have) before an Islam-pasand, Uncle Tom India lynch mob at the US Congress is relentlessly trolled and mocked.

Mera Bharat Mahan

I feel that this is an exercise with pre determined outcome, a way to provide Islamist howlers a venue where they can howl.
Aaarti Singh Tikoo has made some outrageous written statements as well

https://www.opindia.com/2019/10/read-10 ... s-kashmir/

1. “In confronting the Pakistan sponsored militancy, the Indian army and state police have also committed grave human rights abuses. However, what the foot-soldiers of the Pakistani military and ISI have done to ordinary Kashmiri Muslims in the last 30 years, pales in comparison to the human rights violations committed by the Indian state.”

2. Pakistan’s cross border jihad in the last three decades has led to the rise of a radical fringe within Hindu society which has manifested itself in cow vigilantism and lynchings of innocent Muslims over beef. (WTFFF)

3. “If Pakistan continues to use jihad as a tool of foreign policy towards India, it will only strengthen the extremist elements among Hindus.”

4. US policymakers should understand that any tolerance for Islamist terrorism against India in Kashmir or other regions, will only further empower the fringe amongst Hindus.”

Above attributed to Tikoo

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Deans » 24 Oct 2019 20:21

Sonugn wrote:
CRamS wrote:The state of pseudo Lutyen intellectuals in India:

1. “In confronting the Pakistan sponsored militancy, the Indian army and state police have also committed grave human rights abuses. However, what the foot-soldiers of the Pakistani military and ISI have done to ordinary Kashmiri Muslims in the last 30 years, pales in comparison to the human rights violations committed by the Indian state.”

2. Pakistan’s cross border jihad in the last three decades has led to the rise of a radical fringe within Hindu society which has manifested itself in cow vigilantism and lynchings of innocent Muslims over beef. (WTFFF)

3. “If Pakistan continues to use jihad as a tool of foreign policy towards India, it will only strengthen the extremist elements among Hindus.”

4. US policymakers should understand that any tolerance for Islamist terrorism against India in Kashmir or other regions, will only further empower the fringe amongst Hindus.”

Above attributed to Tikoo


Please tell me #1 latter part of the sentence was a typo in the original article.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Prem » 24 Oct 2019 22:34

Deletd
It is small snake Geelani who died inDelhi, not the old man .

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Postby CRamS » 25 Oct 2019 01:46

Deans, checked Aarti's twitter line and indeed its a careless typo which she has since corrected. She meant to say the exat opposite.

That said, she should not have testified IMO, and even when she did, no need for her to put that balancing crap. Do see the Paki pukes and that Ananga b!tch show any sense of moderation? This was not some objective analysis of Kashmir, it was a lynch mob to attack India. Even Pakis must be laughing their asses off knowing how biased this was.

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Postby UlanBatori » 25 Oct 2019 03:36

No point in denying that there isn't a fringe element. Better to boldly face up to it as Ms. Tikoo has done. There is no community in the dunia that does not have fringe elements - and Ms. Tikoo very clearly links and blames the Pakis for fomenting it.

Case in point: After the Ba**i Ma***d waste removal, there were RIOTS all over India. Why? Did Hindus go out and kill Muslims for the heck of it? No, this was violence from Muslims following their genital (I mean genes, applied to One Community) inclinations. Yet all over the world, this was blamed on the Hindus removing a millenium-old eyesore. IIRC it was mostly yindoos who died, both in the massacres of Kar Sevaks by polis b4 and during the waste removal, and probably in the riots when One Community mobs attacked innocents.

Shoe can be on the other foot. Ms. Tikoo rightly ascribes any extreme tendencies developing among yindoos on the fact that this is the only language that One Community understands, to maintain peace.

Ms. Tikoo has started a good thing. Enough of dhoti-shivering: even in the Partition, violence against One Community started only because and after the horrors in Pakistan became known.

Do you know that during the year of carnage by the West Pakis and their Razakars in East Pakistan, the fact that the victims were mostly Hindus was totally suppressed in the Indian "free" media? I was a teenager then, and it was very recently that this fact became really clear to me, though I devoured all news coverage of that live. Yes, I had suspected that the carnage in "Jagannath Hall" reported luridly in "Blitz" which i read surreptitiously, may have indicated some prejudice against yindoos.

The suppression was to prevent "reaction". On Feb. 28, 2002, this suppression mechanism failed. I clearly remember sitting in the breakfast room of a motel in Texas somewhere, and seeing the coverage on CNN and praying "Oh ATM! PLEEEEAAASE stop the "reaction"! It will set us back by a decade!" I knew that was totally futile, reaction was certain.

OTOH, how many riots have you heard of, in Ahmedabad and Vadodara, post 2002?

Today the phenomenon is known worldwide, and very much on display in Iraq, Syria etc. The fact that One Community behaves **IFF*** the certainty of danda is established.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby nachiket » 25 Oct 2019 04:55

UlanBatori wrote:The suppression was to prevent "reaction". On Feb. 28, 2002, this suppression mechanism failed. I clearly remember sitting in the breakfast room of a motel in Texas somewhere, and seeing the coverage on CNN and praying "Oh ATM! PLEEEEAAASE stop the "reaction"! It will set us back by a decade!" I knew that was totally futile, reaction was certain.

The "suppression to prevent reaction" was taken to a whole new level of "misinformation to prevent reaction" by Sharad Pawar during the 1993 bomb blasts in Mumbai.

All targets selected by the terrorists were in areas where they knew the majority of the victims would be Hindus. Pawar in his great and unmatched wisdom officially put out incorrect information about an additional blast in a Muslim dominated area, which had not actually happened. Much later did he admit that the fake news was delivered on purpose. I mean till then could one imagine the state government intentionally putting out this kind of fake information through official channels in the midst of a devastating terror attack? And this a$$holery was all to avoid an ostensible reaction by Hindus towards Muslims because of all targets being in Hindu dominated areas.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 25 Oct 2019 06:01

Yes. We need to get to a time when the truth can be told without "reaction" against innocents. Only way to make the innocents quit acting like its everyone else's problem.

Best thing I've seen recently is the reception that the cute Paki actress got for wearing a soosai bum outfit as a supposed taunt of Modi. Someone innocently said: "You look great in your National Dress" and that set off a chain reaction, with ppl asking if Dimran could declare this the National Costume etc. It needs to be propagated as the Religious Formal Wear.

Without freedom to tell the truth, atrocities will continue unchecked.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Deans » 25 Oct 2019 09:13

Gerard wrote:
Harish Salve: Why Supreme Court is Unlikely to Void Article 370 Move


GOI legal advisors on this are brilliant. The political class in J+K must be still reeling in shock. Bifurcation at end of the month. Ladakh, 58% of land area of J+K becomes a separate UT. The blows don't end.


GOI's legal advisors (attorney generals) are far from brilliant, though Salve is. Let's hope his comments are noted by those who would argue before the SC.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Bart S » 25 Oct 2019 10:07

Sonugn wrote:
CRamS wrote:The state of pseudo Lutyen intellectuals in India:

1. That vile traitor Rana Ayyub puking on India and all but seeking 'azaadi' for Kashmir in WP is hailed as an 'inspiration' to these pseudos

2. Poor Aaarti Singh Tikoo a Kashmiri Hindus who had the courage to testify (although I feel she shouldn't have) before an Islam-pasand, Uncle Tom India lynch mob at the US Congress is relentlessly trolled and mocked.

Mera Bharat Mahan

I feel that this is an exercise with pre determined outcome, a way to provide Islamist howlers a venue where they can howl.
Aaarti Singh Tikoo has made some outrageous written statements as well

https://www.opindia.com/2019/10/read-10 ... s-kashmir/

1. “In confronting the Pakistan sponsored militancy, the Indian army and state police have also committed grave human rights abuses. However, what the foot-soldiers of the Pakistani military and ISI have done to ordinary Kashmiri Muslims in the last 30 years, pales in comparison to the human rights violations committed by the Indian state.”

2. Pakistan’s cross border jihad in the last three decades has led to the rise of a radical fringe within Hindu society which has manifested itself in cow vigilantism and lynchings of innocent Muslims over beef. (WTFFF)

3. “If Pakistan continues to use jihad as a tool of foreign policy towards India, it will only strengthen the extremist elements among Hindus.”

4. US policymakers should understand that any tolerance for Islamist terrorism against India in Kashmir or other regions, will only further empower the fringe amongst Hindus.”

Above attributed to Tikoo


While people are entitled to their criticisms, this Opindia article and that line of thinking is an own goal in this context and is a classic example of the tunnel vision and maximalist discourse that afflicts us, with people ignoring the wider context or bigger picture. While these idiots were outraging powerlessly in their own echo chamber, she has been out there in the real world making a case for KPs and India for a while now, well before that US congressional hearing farce. Disagree with her, but don't drag here down like the proverbial crabs in a basket. It is this same petty attitude and infighting when faced with an external threat (which should override everything else), that allowed much smaller forces to successfully invade and infest Bharat over the last millennium.

And yes, there was a typo that she immediately clarified on her twitter account.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby manjgu » 25 Oct 2019 15:38

1) well i just came back from a 5 day trip to J&K ( Doda, kishtwar distt) in Jammu region visiting Dul Hasti Power project, Pakal dul project and interacted with folks from CVPP ( chenab valley river projects). all the projects are going on full steam ..a new project Kiru has been approved in principle. pakistan will become desert in near future. Some officials had interacted with Paki indus water commission officials. Apparently the new Paki team is quite comeptent as per CVPP officials with their geologist coming in for special praise. 2) also interacted with local MLA ..one Mr shrama was a minister in the recent J&K govt. as per him law / order has improved tremendously post Aug 5 with militancy virtually wiped out..some ex militants have become contractors and participating in the hydel projects. there is strong checking, frisking by RR, Army, CSIF, JKP. many ogw;s have been arrested and some shipped to delhi. things are upbeat with complete normalcy. as per sharma there will be no assembly election for next 2/3 years. Panchayat and BDo's will be given massive financial powers and they will be the new governance structure in J&K. no MLA's etc. The newly elected officials have been given massive amount of money and MAD is hoping to create a new group of politcal netas 3) there is massive movement of trucks to/fro from valley wrt apple as per security men who were providing security to our convoy. Whole of Jammu/srinagar higgway is choked with trucks. saw 2 trucks overturned on the roadside with driver making a quick buck selling apples !!! movement of apples is quite normal from valley into mainland contrary to what one reads in newspapers. 4) very nice walnuts and saffron ( which is better than valley saffron) is available. the rajma/chawal is absolutely amazinggggggggggggggggg...

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Postby manjgu » 25 Oct 2019 15:43

The Indus water Treaty allocates the Chenab River to Pakistan for exploitation. India can use its water for domestic and agricultural uses or for "non-consumptive" uses such as hydro power. India is entitled to store up to 1.2 MAF of water in its projects. The three projects completed so far (Salal, Baglihar and Dul Hasti) have a combined storage capacity of 0.26 MAF. the upcoming projects will ensure india stores 1.26 MAF water....

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby vijayk » 25 Oct 2019 17:11

manjgu wrote:1) well i just came back from a 5 day trip to J&K ( Doda, kishtwar distt) in Jammu region visiting Dul Hasti Power project, Pakal dul project and interacted with folks from CVPP ( chenab valley river projects). all the projects are going on full steam ..a new project Kiru has been approved in principle. pakistan will become desert in near future. Some officials had interacted with Paki indus water commission officials. Apparently the new Paki team is quite comeptent as per CVPP officials with their geologist coming in for special praise. 2) also interacted with local MLA ..one Mr shrama was a minister in the recent J&K govt. as per him law / order has improved tremendously post Aug 5 with militancy virtually wiped out..some ex militants have become contractors and participating in the hydel projects. there is strong checking, frisking by RR, Army, CSIF, JKP. many ogw;s have been arrested and some shipped to delhi. things are upbeat with complete normalcy. as per sharma there will be no assembly election for next 2/3 years. Panchayat and BDo's will be given massive financial powers and they will be the new governance structure in J&K. no MLA's etc. The newly elected officials have been given massive amount of money and MAD is hoping to create a new group of politcal netas 3) there is massive movement of trucks to/fro from valley wrt apple as per security men who were providing security to our convoy. Whole of Jammu/srinagar higgway is choked with trucks. saw 2 trucks overturned on the roadside with driver making a quick buck selling apples !!! movement of apples is quite normal from valley into mainland contrary to what one reads in newspapers. 4) very nice walnuts and saffron ( which is better than valley saffron) is available. the rajma/chawal is absolutely amazinggggggggggggggggg...


great news ... :D

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby vijayk » 25 Oct 2019 18:08

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/more-than ... nd-kashmir
More Than 98 Per Cent Voter Turnout At Elections For Block Development Councils In Jammu And Kashmir

The erstwhile state of Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) on 24 October witnessed the first-ever electoral exercise being carried out since the abrogation of the contentious Article 370 and bifurcation of the former state into two separate Union Territories (UTs) on 5 August, reports Livemint.

The elections conducted for the Block Development Councils (BDCs) recorded an outstanding turnout, with Srinagar registering a record turnout of 100 per cent. The elections were peacefully conducted and no untoward development was reported.

Overall, the first-ever electoral exercise in J&K since 5 August registered a stellar voting percentage of 98.3 per cent, with Pulwama and Shopian registering the lowest turnout of 86 and 85 per cent respectively.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Deans » 25 Oct 2019 18:14

manjgu wrote:The Indus water Treaty allocates the Chenab River to Pakistan for exploitation. India can use its water for domestic and agricultural uses or for "non-consumptive" uses such as hydro power. India is entitled to store up to 1.2 MAF of water in its projects. The three projects completed so far (Salal, Baglihar and Dul Hasti) have a combined storage capacity of 0.26 MAF. the upcoming projects will ensure india stores 1.26 MAF water....


We also use less than the irrigation area available to us from the Chenab waters. It's ridiculous that Jammu region faces a shortage of water because we have not utilised our legitimate share of water.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 25 Oct 2019 18:27

vijayk wrote:https://swarajyamag.com/insta/more-than-98-per-cent-voter-turnout-at-elections-for-block-development-councils-in-jammu-and-kashmir
More Than 98 Per Cent Voter Turnout At Elections For Block Development Councils In Jammu And Kashmir

The erstwhile state of Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) on 24 October witnessed the first-ever electoral exercise being carried out since the abrogation of the contentious Article 370 and bifurcation of the former state into two separate Union Territories (UTs) on 5 August, reports Livemint.

The elections conducted for the Block Development Councils (BDCs) recorded an outstanding turnout, with Srinagar registering a record turnout of 100 per cent. The elections were peacefully conducted and no untoward development was reported.

Overall, the first-ever electoral exercise in J&K since 5 August registered a stellar voting percentage of 98.3 per cent, with Pulwama and Shopian registering the lowest turnout of 86 and 85 per cent respectively.

A couple of facts (OK, from our friendly MSM... :roll: )
1. All voters are council members. Not aam terrorists
2. "Thousands" of council members, candidates etc have been living in Srinagar hi-security hotels fearing the usual gentle awam.

So 98.3 means anyone who was not in a hospital, because they probably needed the ink spot on the middle finger to get their next meal.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 25 Oct 2019 18:27

Situation Naaaaarmal. Two truckers shot dead and truck burned in Shopian.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby wig » 25 Oct 2019 21:17

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 764634.cms

J&K governor Satya Pal Malik is transferred to Goa

Girish Chandra Murmu is given the charge of of UT Jammu and Kashmir

Radha Krishan Mathur is appointed the new LG of UT Ladakh

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Vikas » 25 Oct 2019 21:24

Who is Girish Chandra Murmu and Radha Krishan Mathur ?
Any background info about these 2 ?

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby pankajs » 25 Oct 2019 21:28

Vikas wrote:Who is Girish Chandra Murmu and Radha Krishan Mathur ?
Any background info about these 2 ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._C._Murmu
Girish Chandra Murmu (born 21 November 1959) who is appointed as the first lieutenant governor of Union territory of Jammu and Kashmir[1] is a 1985 batch Indian Administrative Service officer of Gujarat cadre and was principal secretary to Narendra Modi during his tenure as CM of Gujarat.[2] He was Secretary, Department of Expenditure in Ministry of Finance.[3] Murmu is considered a close confidant of Narendra Modi.

Administrative experience and Modi's trust. Good choice.

Murmu's are tribals from Jkarkhand/Odisa belt not that it matters.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby KLNMurthy » 25 Oct 2019 21:31

Vikas wrote:Who is Girish Chandra Murmu and Radha Krishan Mathur ?
Any background info about these 2 ?

Why transfer Malik? Hard to understand.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby pankajs » 25 Oct 2019 21:37

^^
Politician who is in love with himself and keeps giving unnecessary bytes to the media. I found some of his statements to be out of the line e.g. when he invited Rafool to visit Srinagar and check for himself. Later had to backtrack. Plus politician do get seduced by power, flattery. etc.

Muru seems to be a no-nonsense hard working and tested Administrator. Worked with Modi and has his trust. Good move.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Kaivalya » 25 Oct 2019 22:32

manjgu wrote:1) well i just came back from a 5 day trip to J&K ( Doda, kishtwar distt) in Jammu region visiting Dul Hasti Power project, Pakal dul project and interacted with folks from CVPP ( chenab valley river projects). all the projects are going on full steam ..a new project Kiru has been approved in principle. pakistan will become desert in near future. Some officials had interacted with Paki indus water commission officials. Apparently the new Paki team is quite comeptent as per CVPP officials with their geologist coming in for special praise. 2) also interacted with local MLA ..one Mr shrama was a minister in the recent J&K govt. as per him law / order has improved tremendously post Aug 5 with militancy virtually wiped out..some ex militants have become contractors and participating in the hydel projects. there is strong checking, frisking by RR, Army, CSIF, JKP. many ogw;s have been arrested and some shipped to delhi. things are upbeat with complete normalcy. as per sharma there will be no assembly election for next 2/3 years. Panchayat and BDo's will be given massive financial powers and they will be the new governance structure in J&K. no MLA's etc. The newly elected officials have been given massive amount of money and MAD is hoping to create a new group of politcal netas 3) there is massive movement of trucks to/fro from valley wrt apple as per security men who were providing security to our convoy. Whole of Jammu/srinagar higgway is choked with trucks. saw 2 trucks overturned on the roadside with driver making a quick buck selling apples !!! movement of apples is quite normal from valley into mainland contrary to what one reads in newspapers. 4) very nice walnuts and saffron ( which is better than valley saffron) is available. the rajma/chawal is absolutely amazinggggggggggggggggg...


Thank you for your first hand accounts...Hoping all the projects will be successful and provide power, jobs, conservation and leverage in the future. Just heard a fauj saying that I cannot get out of my head : sweat spent during peace prevents blood spilling during war.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Bart S » 25 Oct 2019 22:35

pankajs wrote:^^
Politician who is in love with himself and keeps giving unnecessary bytes to the media. I found some of his statements to be out of the line e.g. when he invited Rafool to visit Srinagar and check for himself. Later had to backtrack. Plus politician do get seduced by power, flattery. etc.

Muru seems to be a no-nonsense hard working and tested Administrator. Worked with Modi and has his trust. Good move.



I am a bit leery of this move. You need a seasoned and slimy politician/snake to handle the toxic environment and culture that exists there. Not sure if being a 'no-nonsense and hardworking administrator' is enough.


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