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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

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Postby UlanBatori » 08 Nov 2019 19:40

Comment under that article from where UBCN got the above quote:

No country draws maps that recognize the illegal occupation of their lands by invaders. India's maps have always included what is legitimately Indian territory. In fact it is a "non-bailable offence" under Indian law to show, publish or be caught in possession of maps that show otherwise, unless of course one needs to know the borders of lands held by hostiles. So the author's amazement that India is obeying Indian laws and not Pakistani or Chinese laws, shows the standards of the Lowy Institute. Is he really trying to pass off as a new development, something that has been in place for over a half-century, or has he just woken up? Anyway, better late than never. As for fonts on maps, that is indeed interesting: Jammu may well be intended to become the year-round capital of the Union Territory of Jammu-Kashmir. The former arrangement is that Srinagar is the "Summer Capital" with the Rich (including the former State leadership) migrating to Jammu when the winter (or heightened terrorism) set in. This is a clumsy arrangement: It takes 8 hours by road to go from relatively flat-lands Jammu to Srinagar which is in the Kashmir Valley bounded by some of the tallest mountain ridges in the world. Thanks for pointing out that hopeful sign for the future. Soon, as the shackles on development imposed on Jammu by the dinosaurs in Srinagar are removed, this will become like complaining that Miami is shown in larger font than Tallahassee.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby yensoy » 08 Nov 2019 20:25



Lowly fellow says:
Apart from creating two new Indian territories, these maps are not surprising: India has always shown all of the former princely state as being its own.


Huh? I got lost right there. Fellow wants Cooch Behar, Oudh, Hyderabad, Junagarh, Travancore, Mysore and the few thousand others... still on the map? What's he smoking?

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Postby Amber G. » 08 Nov 2019 21:16

Meanwhile at the Indian International Science Festival 2019 in Kolkata (inaugurated today by PM) with much youthful energy absorbing positive vibes.

Photo : Prof Ashutosh Sharma with Colonel Rajat Sharma of Survey of India, Kolkata. I liked the map too. (Photo from FB page of IITK's alum group)
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(Vigyan Samagam, a grand exhibition of the global mega science projects with Indian partnership, opened in Kolkata yesterday)
Per Ashutoshji the map can be downloaded from Survey of India site.
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Postby KJo » 08 Nov 2019 21:25

I love it how Ladakh looks like it is enveloping Kashmir. :rotfl:
Should set the pakis into fits of anger.

I hope they split off Jammu and isolate Kashmir and conduct surgery on only K.
They should have done it when they conducted the dhamaka 2 months ago, it will be a bit harder now to do more splits.

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Postby Varoon Shekhar » 08 Nov 2019 21:28

Any articles in international media reporting on the migration under duress, of about half of the 50,000 non-Kashmiri labourers in the state?

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Postby Vayutuvan » 08 Nov 2019 23:54

yensoy wrote:Lowly fellow says: ...
Huh? I got lost right there. Fellow wants Cooch Behar, Oudh, Hyderabad, Junagarh, Travancore, Mysore and the few thousand others... still on the map? What's he smoking?


Lowy Institute is Malaysian.

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Postby Amber G. » 09 Nov 2019 01:55

^^^ Per Ashutoshji the map shown above can be downloaded from Survey of India site
Amber G. wrote:Meanwhile at the Indian International Science Festival 2019 in Kolkata (inaugurated today by PM) with much youthful energy absorbing positive vibes.

Photo : Prof Ashutosh Sharma with Colonel Rajat Sharma of Survey of India, Kolkata. I liked the map too. (Photo from FB page of IITK's alum group)
<< Image not copied here >>
(Vigyan Samagam, a grand exhibition of the global mega science projects with Indian partnership, opened in Kolkata yesterday)
Per Ashutoshji the map can be downloaded from Survey of India site.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Vayutuvan » 09 Nov 2019 03:40

Amber G. wrote:^^^ Per Ashutoshji the map shown above can be downloaded from Survey of India site
Amber G. wrote:Meanwhile at the Indian International Science Festival 2019 in Kolkata (inaugurated today by PM) with much youthful energy absorbing positive vibes.

Photo : Prof Ashutosh Sharma with Colonel Rajat Sharma of Survey of India, Kolkata. I liked the map too. (Photo from FB page of IITK's alum group)
<< Image not copied here >>
(Vigyan Samagam, a grand exhibition of the global mega science projects with Indian partnership, opened in Kolkata yesterday)
Per Ashutoshji the map can be downloaded from Survey of India site.


It would useful if they can make this map into Wikipedia India template map as well. Wikipedia shows the wrong India map all the time.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 09 Nov 2019 07:17

Security tightened in J&K ahead of RJB verdict..

This bijnej about stopping bus service is MOST distressing. I brotest! What is a good Fridin afternoon with no buses to burn, hain? :((


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Postby UlanBatori » 11 Nov 2019 02:09

Lowly Institute jollies. Comment under Snedden's farticle:
Mr. Snedden's representation of history is very interesting. Before 1842, Aksai Chin was in Tibet, not China. Tibet is not China, Mr. Snedden. Tibet was invaded by the Communist Chinese in the late 1950s, and Tibet's legitmiate government, led by the Dalai Lama, now resides in India (Dharmasala, which Mr. Snedden may be able to find on his maps). The Dalai Lama holds a professorship at Emory University in Atlanta, USA: you might email him and confirm this, as a starting history lesson. Mr. Snedden's lament on the disappearance of the 600 Princely States into the Republic of India, is hilarious. And this intellectual insight can only be described as BRILLIANT (even by Lowy Institute standards): "
the founder of Jammu and Kashmir, Raja (later Maharaja) Gulab Singh, an ethnic Dogra, must be turning in his ashes. (As a Hindu, he would have been cremated, not buried.)" Wow! That must have taken QUITE a lot of thinking, congratulations Mr. Snedden. In Malaysia that must be National Prize material.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby chetak » 11 Nov 2019 17:06

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NDTV’s Nidhi Razdan attends UK ‘Kashmir’ event organised by Pakistan establishment, slams India’s democracy, gets endorsed by JKLF


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Postby UlanBatori » 11 Nov 2019 18:23

NDTV appears to have finally crossed the line. This is far worse than the pompous idiot Shekhar Gupta of Indian Express begging for scraps with tongue out, at the Agra Breakfast organized by the bloody dictator Pervez Musharraf before the ashes were cold, of the martyrs who were tortured to death by musharraf.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Kashi » 11 Nov 2019 18:25

UlanBatori wrote:NDTV appears to have finally crossed the line.


When were they ever on THIS side of the line?

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Postby UlanBatori » 11 Nov 2019 19:02

Yes, but to do this now, should be finis to NDTV. Hope popular demand shuts down their Internet and broadcasting access.


Quoting:
2n Nidhi ... a person who has never been accused of either perspicacity or intellect .... attended a Bajwa & Pak army sponsored event in London & was acknowledged by the JKLF as a genuine Kashmiri voice. Lesson? Never attribute to malice what you can to stupidity.

The event was organised by Abdurrehman Chinoy, a British Pakistani businessman who is also the chairman of the Queen Mary Pakistan Society. Speaking to Pakistan’s Geo TV, Chinoy had stated earlier that the conference, held on November 7, would look at the “possible role Britain can play to diffuse tension between the two nuclear-powered nations leading towards resolution of Kashmir”.

In other words, Chinoy had mirrored what Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party had said about Kashmir, stressing at direct interference in India’s internal matters.

Other participants in the event were former Pakistani envoy to the UN Maleeha Lodhi and Lyall Grant, UK’s former National Security Advisor, who stated in the event that “Modi’s actions in occupied Kashmir are radicalising Kashmiris and that has a direct impact on UK’s national security where more than 1 million Kashmiris live. Asserting that the “Kashmir” issue needs Britain’s involvement, Grant stated at the event that “The issue of Indian Occupied Kashmir (IOK) poses security risks to the United Kingdom.” As if the real intentions behind the event were not clear so far, terrorist organisation JKLF too endorsed it, calling it an event that managed to ‘bring Kashmiri voices’, referring to Nidhi. JKLF also thanked the organisers profusely. It is needless to remind here that ironically, JKLF has been one of the chief initiators of radicalisation and terrorism in the Kashmir valley. Its chief Yaseen Malick is currently facing charges for killing Indian Air Force personnel in cold blood.

NDTV’s Nidhi Razdhan attended the show and mirrored the lines what were being peddled by Pakistan to paint India as evil and Pakistan as a victim of terrorism. Speaking at the event, Nidhi lamented over the communication curbs imposed in Jammu and Kashmir and claimed that while India ‘claims’ that the end of special status to Jammu and Kashmir is for the benefit of its people, India has not consulted the people of the region at all. To the delights of the Pakistani establishment, she also added that India’s credentials at the world’s largest democracy have been shadowed by the events in Kashmir.

Another speaker at the event, Jack Straw, a former UK foreign secretary, stated that PM Modi’s decision on Article 370 abrogation was “outrageous, preposterous and seems not to have a strategy.”

Recently, Pakistan had shared an NDTV video to further their anti-India agenda.

NDTV finding support in Pakistan is nothing new. Earlier in March, NDTV’s star anchor Raveesh Kumar had urged media that they should not report the post-Pulwama India-Pakistan conflict, because it will ‘help BJP in the elections’. Raveesh’ statements were soon used by Pakistani media to further their anti-India narrative.

Recently, radical Islamist Zaid Hamid had used ex-NDTV anchor Barkha Dutt’s tweets to spew venom against India.

NDTV seems to fan its ‘Kashmir is in fear’ narrative so much that they are now bordering on an open call for violence. The clip by NDTV reporter that claimed an old Kashmiri man allegedly challenged India to ‘lift the curfew’ to see the real sentiment of Kashmiri people is nothing but another attempt to further their baseless fearmongering. The way NDTV, and for that matter, many media portals are going on about the issue, it seems as if they are just waiting, rather hoping for a riot to happen and people to die, just so they can claim that the central government has failed and thus help Pakistan further its narrative.

Update: Nidhi has responded to the allegations that have been made against her. She claims that she vociferously countered Pakistani propaganda.
"I countered Pakistani lies and propaganda strongly in the presence of many media persons {under my breath after I had swilled a couple of Jack Daniels' best}. These trolls who think they can browbeat and bully me with their lies don’t know me. I won’t be bullied {you need a conscience to be bullied}. Nidhi has, however, not contested statements like “India’s credentials at the world’s largest democracy have been shadowed by the events in Kashmir” that were made by her.

It is also being said that the organiser who was thanked was indeed Shoaib K Bajwa and not the Pakistan Army Chief as claimed by Defense Analyst Abhijit Iyer Mitra. This article has been updated with relevant information.

This piece of sh1t does not grasp one basic fact: You can say: "PM **** is a liar, thief and dictator" INSIDE INDIA. Because India is a free country and welcomes debate, and does not have laws against idiocy. Of course others will be free to state their opinions of her opinions and intelligence. BUT.. to say these things *****OUTSIDE INDIA***** in a forum hosted by anti-Indians, is a totally different thing. She needs to be blacklisted for idiocy if not being a deliberate traitor. Didn't she lie on her passport application?

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Nikhil T » 11 Nov 2019 20:16

^ I think her mistake is that she appeared on a Paki hosted anti-India event. But I don’t accept that criticising the Govt of the day *****OUTSIDE INDIA***** is a crime. That distinction of inside vs outside India is archaic. Mature democracies like India, US, UK etc do not have this distinction whereas this is normal for dictatorships like Pak where no one can criticise the Military establishment while living in the country.

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Postby Varoon Shekhar » 11 Nov 2019 20:41

^
It's one thing to say that 'there is corruption, poverty, inequality and political violence in India'. It's quite another to badmouth the country at an event hosted by someone from a country actively supporting and sheltering terrorists against India.

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Postby UlanBatori » 11 Nov 2019 20:44

^^ (meaning post above Varoonji's) May be archaic, just as the notion of decency, loyalty, etc are archaic. Please point to Americans who will, in foreign fora, make similar statements about their country, and you will be pointing to people who are headed for condemnation and trouble far far worse than what Indian Teetar can do. ("Hanoi Jane" Fonda, for instance.. whom I admire(d), but many Americans will never forgive her. Her actions pale in comparison with those of Dar Ka Butt and now her successor.)

The government will (and should) do absolutely nothing. The people OTOH do not forgive. I think same for UK. Probably France. Don't know about Australia/NZ. Israel would probably send the Mossad. Russia might reach into the scarce supplies of PO... Cheen.. (never mind, perish the thought). North Korea would turn them into dog-dinner. While still alive.

I agree, appearing in a PAKISTANI-sponsored event irritates Indians, but it would be exactly the same if the event were organized by the House of Lawds. Or Hahvad University. Or the UN.

She is another Angana Chatterji. AC, though an Indian citjen at the time, was consistently denied access to J&K some years ago, along with her former PhD advisor and sleeping partner R. Shapiro, both deadly commies funded by Pak. There was clear reason for GOI to do that... (they read BRF..)

If an American network anchor did what she did, that would be the end of the anchoring. Ratings would drop through the ice. Job over. Indians keep patronizing the traitor channel decade after decade after decade. Needs to be ended as a lesson.

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straight from the ass-e-asses:

Ms Razdan, a prominent broadcast journalist with NDTV, spoke next and clarified that she was speaking in her capacity as a journalist and a Kashmiri and not as a spokesperson for the government of India.
She reiterated the Indian government’s longstanding allegations of “cross-border terrorism”, but acknowledged that resentment was brewing within occupied Kashmir. “India has concerns about terror emanating from Pakistan. But there is a local militancy in Kashmir as well, which is encouraged by Pakistan.”
Ms Razdan said that although some restrictions had been lifted, others remained, and that political leaders continued to be detained while trade and industry were largely shut. She took exception to Ms Lodhi’s point that eight million people were living in fear and said that unlike what was reported, hospitals in Kashmir were not graveyards.
“Sadly, the people in whose name these changes [revocation of the special status] took place were not consulted. The political leaders who carried the Indian flag all these decades are in detention. All this hardly burnishes India’s credentials as the world’s largest democracy.”
She added that the prospects of dialogue between the two neighbouring countries were poor as jingoism was high in India.

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Postby UlanBatori » 11 Nov 2019 22:24

Minuibuses start running in Cash More.
Indian Railways conduct trial run in Kashmir ahead of resuming services (that's the pic used in the above story as well... they have no pics of minibuses apparently).
JK Polis stripped of prosecutorial office

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Postby CRamS » 12 Nov 2019 00:23

UlanBatori wrote:straight from the ass-e-asses:

Ms Razdan, a prominent broadcast journalist with NDTV,

“Sadly, the people in whose name these changes [revocation of the special status] took place were not consulted. The political leaders who carried the Indian flag all these decades are in detention. All this hardly burnishes India’s credentials as the world’s largest democracy.”
She added that the prospects of dialogue between the two neighbouring countries were poor as jingoism was high in India.


On does not know whether to laugh or cry at the sheer brainless-ness of this Bimbo. I mean 'jingoism in India' is the reason for no dialogue and she is contemptuous of her own govt for that, and that too in front of a bunch of ISI asses? Ackk Thoo.

Unless you are a cold-blooded moron who doesn't care for the lives of your countrymen and instead harp on this 'India's democratic credentials' BS, one can distinguish between the 2:

1. You do what the Indian govt did knowing that so called 'mainstream politicians' and valley separatists collude with TSP to rabble rouse and aid and abet terror attacks leading to blood letting and body bags. I don't give a rat's ass for KMs colluding in terror getting hallaled, but I weep when I see our brave jawans and officers lay down their lives and their kith and kin wail and weep as ISI laughs triumphantly.

2. You either see the logic in #1 or you cry profusely about locking up the traitors as a blot on "India’s credentials as the world’s largest democracy.” Frankly, I, nor Indians with an ounce of brains and nationalism could give a f!ck. But not NDTV bimbos.

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Postby UlanBatori » 12 Nov 2019 00:27

She is a 42-year OLD hag, no "bim**".

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Postby vijayk » 12 Nov 2019 01:42

Went to Jim McGovern (Democratic Congressman from MA) fund raiser. He has been a vocal critic of 370/35A yada yada

We decided to engage him ...

He is going to chair Human RIghts committee. We were able to bring in Kashmiri man who told the story of his family's eviction in 90s.

Jim's grouse is as usual ...

1. No phones/internet for Kashmiris
2. Sob stories from Pakis on (1)
3. Why not allow US senator/journalists to visit
4. somebody mentioned European MPs. He said there is a controversy on it. So mada**hods of PRESSTITUTES from India made sure they pollute everything Govt. does.
5. He seemed to softened little bit but wants some access from outside people. They are under immense pressure from left Islamic terrorist wing to show some spine
6. He cried little bit about Modi/Trump in Houston

If anyone has any other ideas to push forward to him, let me know

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Postby chetak » 12 Nov 2019 01:46

UlanBatori wrote:She is a 42-year OLD hag, no "bim**".


she's also the keep of one cashmeri ex CM.


she has his agenda to push as well.

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Postby UlanBatori » 12 Nov 2019 03:22

vijayk wrote:Went to Jim McGovern (Democratic Congressman from MA) fund raiser. He has been a vocal critic of 370/35A yada yada

We decided to engage him ...

He is going to chair Human RIghts committee. We were able to bring in Kashmiri man who told the story of his family's eviction in 90s.

Jim's grouse is as usual ...

1. No phones/internet for Kashmiris
2. Sob stories from Pakis on (1)
3. Why not allow US senator/journalists to visit
4. somebody mentioned European MPs. He said there is a controversy on it. So mada**hods of PRESSTITUTES from India made sure they pollute everything Govt. does.
5. He seemed to softened little bit but wants some access from outside people. They are under immense pressure from left Islamic terrorist wing to show some spine
6. He cried little bit about Modi/Trump in Houston

If anyone has any other ideas to push forward to him, let me know


Be bold. Point to lessons learned from 2002. Indian Army was across the last bridges to the western front, ready to end the Global Terrorist State, and the Pakis burned the train at Godhra, and 1000 people died, including 300 Indian policemen. It was not possible to get the Army into the streets in time. {OK< it was the commies who actually burned the train, but the Islamists who stoned it, too complicated to explain to COTUSdummies.}

This time, NO protesters have died. NO buses burned. Lives saved are more important than WhatsApp messaging for teenagers.
Transport is restored.
Phones are restored.
Schools are open.
Businesses are open.
Roads are choked with commercial traffic.
Trains are running.

Compare to post-9/11 situation: Govt has responsibility to ensure Fundamental Rights: The FIRST is Right to Life.

Then go fully on the attack and ask if the Democrat Party are With Us Or Against Us in ending the scourge of ISLAMIC Terrorism.

Make a PPT.

Also, PUT IN THE FACE of the protester supposedly killed by pellet gun blast in the face. Ask WHY someone would get hit by PELLET GUN blast in the face, unless he was trying to throw stones at law officers at point-blank range. Point out that Law Officers are also humans with the Right to Life.

Put in the question again: Are those who hold Law Officers' lives in contempt, With Us or Against Us in ending the Scourge of Terrorism?

And finally, ask the question that a bright desi asked at some such forum:
As I came into JFK airport, I noticed that our first contact with United States Government is that cellphones are banned at the arrival hall. Why is that acceptable during a perfectly peaceful day in the USA? Why don't we hear you protesting against THAT outrage?

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Postby UlanBatori » 12 Nov 2019 03:27

We COULD see a way to win his heart and mind.... :)

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Postby UlanBatori » 12 Nov 2019 07:59

UBCN announces One Huge Step: From now, on, reporting about Jammu-Kashmir-Ladakh will come from Jammu-Kashmir-Ladakh news outlets.
100 days have passed. Situation is now Naaaaaaarmal onlee.

Daily Excelsior:

Militants, separatists were taking advantage of 370: Centre to SC
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‘Art 35A was serious obstacle in development’

NEW DELHI, Nov 11: The Centre justified in the Supreme Court today the abrogation of provisions of Article 370 of the Constitution, which gave special status to Jammu and Kashmir, saying the militants and separatist elements, with the support of foreign forces inimical to India, were taking advantage of the situation.
A five-Judge Bench of Justice N V Ramana, Justice S K Kaul, Justice R Subhash Reddy, Justice B R Gavai and Justice Surya Kant is scheduled to take up for hearing a batch of petitions challenging abrogation of provisions of Article 370 and Article 35A on November 14.
In its reply to the batch of petitions, the Centre said that Article 370, in its original form, was Constitutionally described as a temporary provision with respect to Jammu and Kashmir, formed a part of the Constitution of India as adopted by the Constituent Assembly on November 26, 1949.
The Centre’s affidavit said it was observed over the years that the existing regime under Article 370 of the Constitution, and the exceptions/modifications carried out to other provisions of the Constitution of India by Presidential Orders issued under Article 370(1)(d), were impeding, rather than enabling or facilitating, the full integration of the erstwhile State of Jammu and Kashmir with the rest of the country which was neither in the national interest nor in the interest of the State of Jammu and Kashmir.
“The militants and separatist elements, with the support of foreign forces inimical to India, were taking advantage of the situation and sowing discord, discontent and even secessionist feelings among the populace of the State,” the affidavit said.
It said, “What is more, the residents of the erstwhile State were also being denied all the benefits of the rights guaranteed by the Constitution of India to all other citizens of the country.”
The Centre said it cannot be disputed that the existence of Article 370 for over seven decades, in spite of it being merely a temporary provision, prevented the people of the erstwhile state of Jammu and Kashmir to receive benefits of evolving legal systems as even the amendment of the Constitution of India and other law of Parliament were not applicable to the said state creating a separatist mindset.
It said that accordingly, a decision was taken that it would be in national interest and in the interest of the security and integrity of the country, that the existing regime under Article 370 be discontinued.
“It was also decided that it would be essential that the entirety of the provisions of the Constitution of India be made applicable to the erstwhile State of Jammu and Kashmir, so that the State and its people may enjoy the full protection of all of the provisions of the Indian Constitution as well as all civil/penal welfare legislations are made applicable,” the affidavit said.
The Centre further said the abrogation of Article 370 provisions would also act as a catalyst for enabling the State to achieve its development potential to the fullest, and to provide to its people the best possible standard of living in an “atmosphere of peace, amity and tranquillity”.
It said these Constitutional decisions were effectuated strictly in accordance with the requirements of the Constitution of India.
The Centre further said that though judicial review is part of the Constitutional power of the court, the justification, efficacy, desirability and the wisdom of such decisions of the President as well as Parliament “is not amenable to judicial review”.
“It is submitted that the sphere of Constitutional challenge is to be limited to Part III of the Constitution and the pleadings of the petitioners with regard to the rationality or the wisdom of impugned decision/legislative measures, are to be rejected by this court,” the affidavit said.
Referring to Chapter 21 of the Constitution that deals with temporary, transitional and special provisions in relation to certain states, the Centre said the special provisions from Article 371A to Article 371J contain specific provisions for certain states such as Maharashtra, Gujarat, Nagaland, Assam, Manipur, Andhra Pradesh, Telangana, Sikkim, Mizoram, Arunachal Pradesh, Goa and Karnataka.
“However, the entirety of the Constitution of India is applicable to all of these states. On the other hand, in case of the then State of Jammu and Kashmir, in the first instance, on the Constitution of India coming into force, only Article 1 and Article 370 applied to that State. All other provisions of the Constitution were to be made applicable to the then State of Jammu and Kashmir by the President of India, with such exceptions and modifications as considered necessary,” it said.
The Centre also justified the abrogation of Article 35A of the Constitution which “enabled the then State to make laws giving special rights and privileges to permanent residents, while imposing restrictions upon others”.
Several political parties, including the National Conference (NC), the Sajjad Lone-led J&K Peoples Conference and CPI (M) leader Mohd Yousuf Tarigami have filed pleas, challenging the Centre’s August 5 decision.
The petition was filed by Lok Sabha MPs Mohammad Akbar Lone and Justice Hasnain Masoodi (retd) on behalf of the NC. In 2015, Justice Masoodi had ruled that Article 370 was a permanent feature of the Constitution.
Several other individuals have also moved the Apex Court challenging the Centre’s decision.
Justifying the abrogation of Article 35A, which accorded special rights and privileges to natives of erstwhile State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Centre has told the Supreme Court that the provision was discriminatory especially against women marrying outsiders and a serious obstacle to the socio-economic development.
It has been felt, over the years, that this regime has worked to the detriment of the state and has significantly contributed to the grave problems of “terrorism, militancy and separatism which plague it”, an affidavit filed in the apex court by Gyanesh Kumar, Additional Secretary of the Ministry of Home Affairs, said.
A five-Judge Constitution bench headed by Justice N V Ramana is all set to commence hearing from November 14 on a batch of petitions challenging constitutional validity of the Centre’s decision to abrogate the provisions of Article 370.
Article 35A became history on August 5 as a consequence of the Centre’s decision to abrogate the provisions of Article 370 which had given special status to the erstwhile Jammu and Kashmir.
Incorporated in the Constitution by a 1954 Presidential Order, it accords special rights and privileges to the citizens of Jammu and Kashmir and bars people from outside the state from acquiring any immovable property in the state
It also denies property rights to a woman who marries a person from outside the state. The provision, which leads to such women from the state forfeiting their rights over property, also applies to their heirs.
The affidavit said the provision itself “proved to be a serious obstacle to the socio-economic development of the erstwhile state.
“It has prevented investments in the state, and adversely impacted job creation for the youth which again resulted in a cascading effect on other developmental indicators. It has led to a discriminatory regime against citizens of the erstwhile state from the rest of the country as well as a large number of residents….”
Highlighting the fact that once a woman marries an outsider, she loses the property rights, the MHA officer said, “I state and submit that women of the erstwhile state were also discriminated against if they chose to marry a Non-Permanent Resident.”
In an oblique reference to Pakistan, the affidavit said, “the inimical forces from across the border have exploited the situation…. The growth potential of the erstwhile state was largely untapped despite large monetary support from the Government of India.”
It said that the tourism potential has remained severely under exploited due to Article 35A and these factors have contributed to “fostering a separatist mind-set, which breeds militancy and terrorism, fuelled from across the border.”
The Centre said that the erstwhile state has suffered huge loss of lives due to terrorism since 1990.
“The unfortunate situation prevailing on the ground affected not only the people of the erstwhile state but also the brave and dedicated members of the Armed Forces and the police forces, coming from different parts of the country, many of whom made the ultimate sacrifice in the course of the performance of their duties.
“I state and submit that since 1990 to till August 4, 2019, a total of 41,861 persons have lost their lives in 70,960 incidents of terrorist violence. This includes 14,035 civilians; 5,291 personnel of security forces and 22,535 terrorists,” the affidavit said. (PTI)

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 12 Nov 2019 08:03

Small pooch, like classic desi kid asking after hearing all Ramayana:
"Seeth Ko Rama kaun thi?"

What eej the difference between Art. 35A and Art 370 bliss?

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Amber G. » 12 Nov 2019 08:43

35A ==> empowered the J&K state's legislature to define "permanent residents" of the state and provide special rights and privileges to those permanent residents. These privileges to include the ability to purchase land and immovable property, ability to vote and contest elections, seeking government employment and availing other state benefits such as higher education and health care. Non-permanent residents of the state, even if Indian citizens, were not entitled to these 'privileges'. (Not to mention it denies property rights to a woman who marries a person from outside the state.)

370 ==> Temporary provision that was the same for *all* other states in India which merged with India to *temporary* keep some autonomy (like having one's own flag - local laws court etc) during the transition. All other states soon removed those by their own accord but it was requested as a special favor for Kashmir to keep it a little longer but then no one removed it till the present government.

(35A came later as special act sometime IIRC in 1954) Details can of course be looked up.

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Postby UlanBatori » 12 Nov 2019 09:44

Thanks! That is a big help. So this is why the Great Empires of Kerala for instance did not have the restrictive provisions that isolated J&K.

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Postby wig » 12 Nov 2019 10:37

art 35A was introduced on 14 May 1954. it was never passed by Parliament but issued through a Presidential order. As a consequence it is not published as a part of the Constitution in deference to the privileges of Parliament. Art 35A is published separately.
In its absence Art 370 would not have had been such blot on the system. But Art 35A enabled Art 370 thus leading to the KM led govt in J&K issuing a whole lot of downright subversive notifications which went against all norms of governance to empower the Islamist sections of society.

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Postby vishvak » 12 Nov 2019 12:30

‘Art 35A was serious obstacle in development’

Even from Chinese point of view, such would be against development in PoK. Hopefully someone finds a list of all such laws and from Indian side help to reach Afghanistan for building more peaceable environment thereby justifying Bamiyan budhdha and such.

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Postby pankajs » 12 Nov 2019 13:14

I has written a post a while back that I can't locate. The post was on the official map of J&K and Ladakh UT which was different to what was expected. Will link to that post IF I can locate it.

My comment then was that there was a method to lines beyond what was obvious but I couldn't figure out the "unstated" logic while listing the obvious ones.

Just a while back, it occurred to me that India might be willing to make LOC the IB in J&K and that could be the reason for the unexpected division of the former state of J&K.

1. With the current division that would mean we get back part of Ladakh UT occupied by the bakis and what the bakis call GB.
2. Accept LOC as IB along J&K UT with minor adjustments to ensure its defense, etc.

Net-net
a. Keep the highly populated and infected portion out of the Indian union while getting back the strategic but sparsely populated occupied Ladakh back.
b. Match and use baki propaganda against itself. After all, even bakis admit that occupied Ladakh has nothing to do with occupied J&K.
c. Narrow the area under various UN resolution by re-casting J&K. IF bakis can play that game by cutting off GB we too can do the same.

At some point in time Modi is going to make this offer to our bestern friends as a gesture of India's willingness to settle the J&K issue for ever. Bakis may reject it outright BUT Modi would be the man suing for peace in J&K with Bakistan.
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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Vikas » 12 Nov 2019 13:45

Have people from other states started buying land and marrying women from J&K ?
Just asking ??

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby pankajs » 12 Nov 2019 14:25

Oye tare .. such small items are likely to me missed in the MAHA Politcs of the MAHA Rathis.

https://twitter.com/DostKhan_Jammu/stat ... 2575401984
Prof Hari Om @DostKhan_Jammu

मजा आ गया।
Change-Jammu-demography #RoshniAct of @FarooqAbdullah_, @OmarAbdullah & @ghulamnazad and Feb 14, 2018 executive order of @MehboobaMufti
declared null and void.

UT status fallout.

Nation's spectacular victory
Trust the locals to know the real import of the little tweaks.

https://twitter.com/kundangautam/status ... 6160137216
KundanG @kundangautam

A very cunning way to legally grab Gov. land of Jammu by Muslims from Kashmir aiming at changing the demography of Jammu from hindu majority to muslim majority.

We are blessed with good leadership that understand the issues and have the will to play the game and make changes.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Nikhil T » 12 Nov 2019 14:28

Varoon Shekhar wrote:^
It's one thing to say that 'there is corruption, poverty, inequality and political violence in India'. It's quite another to badmouth the country at an event hosted by someone from a country actively supporting and sheltering terrorists against India.


That’s exactly what I said. It’s fine to criticize Modi/BJP/GoI etc because India is a democracy and all lines of thought are welcome. Her mistake was to appear on a Paki hosted event alongside Maleeha Lodhi ex Paki Amb to UN.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Nikhil T » 12 Nov 2019 14:41

UlanBatori wrote:^^ (meaning post above Varoonji's) May be archaic, just as the notion of decency, loyalty, etc are archaic. Please point to Americans who will, in foreign fora, make similar statements about their country, and you will be pointing to people who are headed for condemnation and trouble far far worse than what Indian Teetar can do. ("Hanoi Jane" Fonda, for instance.. whom I admire(d), but many Americans will never forgive her. Her actions pale in comparison with those of Dar Ka Butt and now her successor.)

The government will (and should) do absolutely nothing. The people OTOH do not forgive. I think same for UK. Probably France. Don't know about Australia/NZ. Israel would probably send the Mossad. Russia might reach into the scarce supplies of PO... Cheen.. (never mind, perish the thought). North Korea would turn them into dog-dinner. While still alive.

I agree, appearing in a PAKISTANI-sponsored event irritates Indians, but it would be exactly the same if the event were organized by the House of Lawds. Or Hahvad University. Or the UN.

She is another Angana Chatterji. AC, though an Indian citjen at the time, was consistently denied access to J&K some years ago, along with her former PhD advisor and sleeping partner R. Shapiro, both deadly commies funded by Pak. There was clear reason for GOI to do that... (they read BRF..)

If an American network anchor did what she did, that would be the end of the anchoring. Ratings would drop through the ice. Job over. Indians keep patronizing the traitor channel decade after decade after decade. Needs to be ended as a lesson.


Absolute BS. There are innumerable examples of Americans hating on their current Administration. There are innumerable talks/shows on YouTube/Netflix criticizing American foreign policy (Vietnam, Afg, Syria). What world are you living in?

India isn’t Pak. There is freedom of expression and everyone including Nidhi Razdan is entitled to their view. Also I find it amusing that you haven’t referred to her tweets explaining her viewpoint - she was super harsh on Pak and Paki supported terror. It’s only Art 370 that her view was different. That’s doesn’t mean that you call her hag, bimbo, hot or whatever other misogynist name calling you can think of.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Varoon Shekhar » 12 Nov 2019 18:00

^
That's good, now she has to back up those( entirely true ) charges in front of both the Pakis( though preferably, she shouldn't attend those awful gatherings) and the international media, including the Washington Post, NY Times, WSJ et al, with specific instances of the slaughters of migrant labourers, shopkeepers, truck drivers and Kashmiris opposing or dissenting from the Islamist 'cause' in Kashmir. It's sickening to have to keep reading "India is oppressing/killing/ jailing thousands of Kashmiris" without so much as one reference to the terrorist killings. Or to see those killings- if they are mentioned at all- as equivalent/retaliatory to what India is doing.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 12 Nov 2019 18:59

pankajs wrote: Bakis may reject it outright BUT Modi would be the man suing for peace in J&K with Bakistan.

Substitute JN for NM and you have the gist of what happens. Nations should never pull such stunts for appearances. If India "makes" LOC=IB, how does that keep terrorists from coming across IB instead of LOC? ****ANY*** concession that India makes, the Pakis take that as ordained by ATM and go on to grab/demand the next.

I wonder what is coming as the price for the Katarpur Folly. The "captain" commented that it all used to be his ancestral property. Good thought! Need to take it back. Only good effect is that it will keep a lot of Punjabis from going across the border of Mexico to USA claiming "persecution" in India - one look at the Paki stamp in the passport and it's off to Guano Bay Resort for the next 20 years.


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