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jamwal wrote:Just look at number of KPs who even apply for armed forces, let alone manage to pass the exams. It is a astonishingly dhimmified community which paid the price for its own hubris. Before 1980s, they looked down on non-Kashmiri Hindus because of "Kashmiriyat", higher education standards and lighter skin tone. I had many KPs say something like this, "Kashmiris fight with pens, not swords". .
Having worked with a person(who's surname 'Kaul' ) for 5yrs during training period I can vouch for that. He always quoted I am from 'Kashmir' when any Indian issues came up. Chummy with goras more than desi's. Well connected to Lutyens crowd with easy access to power circles. :-?
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I'm not sure it is appropriate to be critiquing an Indian group that is not present to rebut accusations.

It is true that they may be conscious of their phenotype. Certainly I have met Kashmiri Hindus who have the complections of Europeans, only they may be better looking than most people of that colour. One must be careful to qualify such observations- was the person twenty or sixty?
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KPs are exceptionally dhimmified community. Their men are unable to fight or be aggressive (they show feminine traits). They turn up their nose at other Hindus, and refuse to identify with them as co-religionists. Try to latch on to Kashmiri Muslims in a groveling show of "we are both same same onlee." I have some experience of dealing with them.
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But they refuse to convert to Islam.
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:lol:
Please check names of Kashmiri Hindus and Muslims. I personally knew 4-5 KMs who claimed that they converted 3-4 generations back and even knew of their erstwhile family members who were still Hindus. Many KMs still claim to be superior because of their original Hindu Brahmin caste. They were all Hindus.
Certainly I have met Kashmiri Hindus who have the complections of Europeans,
Many people of Bhaderwah, Chamba, Shimla type places have same complexion. It is due to cold weather and the fact that they spent 3-4 months of winters cooped up inside their houses till late 80s. Things started to change only after electricity became common. Check any Kashmiri living outside the region. They'll be as brown as any other Indian.

Certainly, not all KPs are dhimmis, but the proportion is quite low.
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https://www.greaterkashmir.com/todays-p ... -seat-sale

Sanction to prosecute Hurriyat leader, 8 others sought in MBBS seat 'sale'
Jammu and Kashmir Police has moved the home department for granting sanction for prosecution against nine people, including a leader of a Hurriyat constituent and an advocate from south Kashmir, in a case related to "selling" of MBBS seats in Pakistan to Kashmiri students and using the money to support and fund terrorism, officials said on Sunday.
The case was registered by the Counter Intelligence Kashmir (CIK), a branch of the police's CID, in July last year after receiving information through reliable sources that several unscrupulous persons, including some Hurriyat leaders, were hand in glove with some educational consultancies and were "selling" Pakistan-based MBBS seats and seats in other professional courses in many colleges and universities.
Which country these MBBS passouts can hope to work in with a paki degree?
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jamwal wrote:https://www.greaterkashmir.com/todays-p ... -seat-sale

Sanction to prosecute Hurriyat leader, 8 others sought in MBBS seat 'sale'
Jammu and Kashmir Police has moved the home department for granting sanction for prosecution against nine people, including a leader of a Hurriyat constituent and an advocate from south Kashmir, in a case related to "selling" of MBBS seats in Pakistan to Kashmiri students and using the money to support and fund terrorism, officials said on Sunday.
The case was registered by the Counter Intelligence Kashmir (CIK), a branch of the police's CID, in July last year after receiving information through reliable sources that several unscrupulous persons, including some Hurriyat leaders, were hand in glove with some educational consultancies and were "selling" Pakistan-based MBBS seats and seats in other professional courses in many colleges and universities.
Which country these MBBS passouts can hope to work in with a paki degree?
Jamwalji
For a long time the Brit=shits would go to Pak as examiners of Pak college of surgery.
passing the college exams would exempt candidates from part I of FRCS
Furthermore, for Gulf Healthboards with Paak Degree and a Indian passport ideal no :rotfl:
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J&K: Administration has started renaming schools, colleges and roads after Troopers who have attained VEERGATI in valley.
J&K: Administration has started renaming schools, colleges and roads after Troopers who have attained VEERGATI in valley.
Below Higher Secondary School in Khanabal Anantnag, Kashmir renamed as Shaheed Shri Ravi Jee
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Excellent !
Name some after patriotic J&K personalities and service men/women as well.
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. Delimitation Commission proposes six additional seats for Jammu, one for Kashmir valley
. THE DRAFT PAPER of the Delimitation Commission has proposed seven additional Assembly seats for Jammu and Kashmir — six in Jammu division and one in Kashmir valley. For the first time, the commission proposed reserving nine seats for Scheduled Tribes (STs) on the basis of population. Seven seats are proposed for the Scheduled Caste (SC) community.
I was actually expecting more seats for Jammu. Valley will still dominate although the gap has decreased.
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There is a population difference and as per some of the reports it looks like that the new votes who became voters after 370 removal were not taken into consideration in counting the population numbers in Jammu. This is a major mistake if true.
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Delimitation commission briefed us on further proceedings, including their criteria in increasing seats district-wise.

2 BJP & 3 National Conference members were present.

The commission also asked us to respond to any changes/objections by Dec 31


BJP MP Jugal Kishore Sharma

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sanjaykumar wrote:I'm not sure it is appropriate to be critiquing an Indian group that is not present to rebut accusations.

It is true that they may be conscious of their phenotype. Certainly I have met Kashmiri Hindus who have the complections of Europeans, only they may be better looking than most people of that colour. One must be careful to qualify such observations- was the person twenty or sixty?
Sanjay ji, few pages back we had a similar talk about parsis. And majority here were not ready to listen to the other side.

Thankfully, Abijit Chavda has recently done a video on this issue. Hope people will now have a more liberal outlook about it.
YT link here https://youtu.be/p9OTFRfUV9w
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Kashmir and World Peace | Vivek Ranjan Agnihotri at University of Massachusetts





Very good talk if you have some time please watch
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Jamwal jee & SanjayC,

Namaskar

How are you sure that KP's you met were an exception and not the norm? How can you say the whole community was dhimmified when that community is the reason which guarantees Kashmir valley to you. 
Here is a list of the Indian army members in fore: https://www.hindustantimes.com/chandiga ... 1kKYI.html  
Have you Heard of TN Raina ever? 
Have you heard of the RAW founder, RN Kao?
 
I come from a family of Kashmiri pandits where someone has fought in every war since World War 2 up to 1971 Bangladesh independence.  We have been under Muslim rule since the 14th century and still have not left the Hindu faith. How are you sure that your community would have behaved differently? 

Yes, we have that Brahmin self-esteem. It may have contributed to our downfall, but that has kept us from changing our Gods as well. 
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^^ I think we all are making assumptions based on a very small sample space. If you look at a place like JNU we can make such assumptions about every region of India.
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https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 58393.html

Kashmir Files' reopens Pak perfidy and US silence on Valley killings

most of the substance of the article is known. posted for a recap
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“Shadow War: The untold story of jihad in Kashmir”, Pakistani journalist Arif Jamal writes about a secret meeting of all factions of Jamat-e-Islami in Kathmandu on January 14, 1990, to discuss its role in the growing jihadi movement in Kashmir. While pro-jihadi participants voiced concerns over the growing influence of the Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) at the meeting, the founding leader of Jamat opposed direct involvement as it would destroy the organization and open it to Indian assault by security forces. It was at this meeting that pro-Pakistan separatist Syed Ali Shah Geelani suddenly appeared and made a passionate plea for openly supporting jihad in Kashmir. Jamal writes that all the factions thereon supported jihad in Kashmir after this decisive meeting.
the murders which led to the exodus of Hindus from kashmir
A study of the pattern on killings of Kashmiri Pandits by terrorists shows that the bulk of targeted attacks took place in 1990 with the onset of jihadi terrorism in the Valley. Subsequent killings dramatically dropped not because of a change in the intent of the Pak sponsored terror campaign but because the adversary had achieved their strategic goal—pogrom to cleanse the Valley.

In 1989, the killings started with gunning down of BJP leader Tika Lal Taploo on September 14 and by the end of the year, six of the minority community were killed. The year-wise killings of the minority Pandit community are: 1990 (136); 1991 (18); 1992 (6), 1993 (10); 1994 (4); 1995 (2); 1997 (7), 1998 (26), 2000 (6). 2001 (2); 2002 (1); 2003 (25), 2004 (01), 2020 (1) and 2021 (03). From 1989 to 2021, a total of 254 of the minuscule Kashmiri Pandit community were gunned down.


A large number of killings in 1990 was primarily to strike terror in the hearts of all Kashmiri Pandits that staying back in the Valley was not an option for them. This became further evident with the Wandhama village massacre in 1998 and the Nadimarg massacre in 2003, where the Pakistan-trained jihadists lined up men, women and children and gunned them down with a gruesome message to the Pandits—don’t ever think of coming back.

While the Srinagar district police in its RTI response has stated that 89 Kashmiri Pandits were killed and 1635 non-Kashmiri Pandits were murdered in the past three decades, the data pertain only to Srinagar district and not to Kashmir. According to a top Kashmir police official, there is a significant difference between the manner and intent with which the Pandits and the Muslims in the Valley were killed.


“The Pandits were killed primarily with the sinister jihadi agenda to establish Nizam-e-Mustafa in the Valley as part of a pogrom, the majority community were mostly killed as collateral damage during maintenance of law and order, encounters with terrorists, during grenade and IED attacks in the Valley.
A considerable number were also targeted for variety of reasons ranging from suspected informers, refusing diktats of terror commanders related to women, money, or property as also terrorists taking sides and settling local disputes related to personal enmity,” said a senior Kashmir police officer.

Perhaps the unfortunate difference between the Pandits and the majority community in the valley is also underlined by the fact that the former not only lost their lives but also home, hearth and property, the latter only lost their loved ones but not home, hearth, property or connected opportunities of employment and livelihood. Jamal’s book spotlights the role of Syed Ali Shah Geelani in getting all majority leaders in the Valley opposed to Pakistani interference targeted by the jihadists.
and the behaviour of the US of terming terrorists and murderers as freedom fighters
Although the Pakistani deep state is responsible for destroying communal cohesion in Kashmir in the 1990s, it was Islamabad’s then friend, the US, which failed to recognize terrorism in Kashmir till the J&K Assembly attack on October 1, 2001. Throughout the entire 1990s, the Valley was all about human rights with the US State Department and western media and their proxies in the Valley batting for Rawalpindi GHQ in the international fora and pinning down India on so-called violation of human rights. The US definition in the Valley changed from freedom fighter to militant to terrorist after the 9/11 attacks and the December 13, 2001, attack on the Indian Parliament.
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jamwal wrote:
Certainly, not all KPs are dhimmis, but the proportion is quite low.
What are your thoughts on:
  1. Punjabi hindus (non-sikh)?
  2. Bengali hindus?
Or in other words, which states in India have most dominant hindu mards?

I am not being rhetorical. But I am thinking overall, across the board, we have lost some self esteem but things are looking better (at least starting to) - eg: fightback against burqa/kijab ban and all that.

And Kashmir Files will only help imo to move in the direction of fighting the dhimminess
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https://www.news18.com/news/opinion/opi ... 83102.html

The Kashmir Files is Just Tip of Iceberg. Genocide in PoJK is Far Worse
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at the time of partition of India, Jammu and Kashmir territories occupied by Pakistan today (PoJK) had a thriving Hindu and Sikh population. The table below gives a breakdown of the Hindu and Sikh demography in several districts in PoJK in 1941.
almost all the non muslims were murdered
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Zojila-tunnel to Ladakh may be ready in 2025, a year ahead of sept 2026 schedule.

The final phase of the strategic Zojila tunnel project on Srinagar-Leh highway is likely to be completed in September 2025, a year before the deadline set.

The makers of the tunnel, located 3,528 metres above sea level, are hopeful that defence personnel will be able to use the tunnel in raw form by September 2024, which will allow the movement of essential supplies, artillery, arms and ammunition towards the Line of Actual Control in Ladakh, where India and China are engaged in a -off since May 2020.

The tunnels located in Sonamarg area of Ganderbal district in central Kashmir, more than 100 km from Srinagar, will provide an all-weather connectivity to Ladakh, which remains cut off from the rest of the country for four to six winter months every year.

The tunnels located in Sonamarg area of Ganderbal district in central Kashmir, more than 100 km from Srinagar, will provide an all-weather connectivity to Ladakh, which remains cut off from the rest of the country for four to six winter months every year.

The engineering team engaged in the projects said the project involves 18-km tunnels, including a 13-km single tube tunnel falling in the final phase of the project, which will connect Sonamarg to Minamarg. The project also includes a 17-km road, four bridges, three vertical shafts and associated structures.

"When the final tube of Zojila project is complete, the 32-km distance from Sonamarg to Minamarg will be covered in less than 40 minutes instead of four hours. Besides this, all-weather connectivity will immensely help the people of Ladakh and the forces deployed in the region," said Harpal Singh, project in-charge of Megha Engineering and Infrastructure Limited, which is constructing the tunnel. "We are hopeful that the tunnel will be through by September 2025, while defence can use the raw tunnel if the tension along the border continues in Ladakh till September 2024."

He said about 1,000 people worked on the project throughout the winters, despite harsh weather conditions, sub-zero temperature and no connectivity. In summer, the number of workers on the project is likely to surpass 2,000.

Singh said by November 2023, the 18-km stretch up to Baltal, including four tubes of Nilgrar tunnels, will be complete and can be put to use as well. The BJP government is pushing hard if the tension along the border continues in Ladakh till September 2024." ahead of the next parliamentary election in the country.

"Himalayas are young mountains and we could not go for a blast every day. We use the New Austrian Tunnelling method in this project. Our designers and proof consultant are from Spain," said Singh.

The project in-charge said the completion of the tunnel will help boost the economy of Ladakh and people will get all essential commodities in winters, even if there is heavy snowfall.
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https://www.greaterkashmir.com/city/jam ... psa-police
Jamia Masjid sloganeering | 13 persons arrested, to be booked under PSA: Police
SHABIR IBN YUSUF, 09 Apr, 2022

Srinagar: Jammu and Kashmir Police today said it arrested 13 persons, mostly youth who chanted “anti-national slogans” here at historic Jamia Masjid post congregational Friday prayers.
Police said that the accused will be booked under Public Safety Act and dossiers are being prepared.
“We warn people that any attempt at disrupting peace will be viewed very seriously and strictest action under provisions of law will be taken against them,” police said.
“Yesterday afternoon, there were Friday prayers in Jamia Masjid wherein huge number of gathering took place, around twenty-four thousand persons attended the prayers, which is among largest in recent history. After culmination of the prayers about a dozen persons started anti-national and provocative sloganeering for while, this was joined by a couple of others as well, while most of the gathering remained aloof,” police said.
The police said that “there was also an altercation between the persons indulging in sloganeering and the volunteers of intezamia committee of Jamia Masjid who tried to stop such sloganeering and hooliganism.”
“This created a situation of ruckus inside the mosque leading to clashes between them. Later the hooligans were dispersed outside the mosque by volunteers. Even after coming outside from one gate, more than a dozen among them tried to provoke others by sloganeering which failed and in 2-3 minutes they dispersed in a hurry seeing police presence around,” the police said.
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A gift from Victoria Nuland, its the trail she leaves wherever she goes.
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https://www.rediff.com/news/report/kash ... 220417.htm
Kashmir University PhD scholar held for seditious magazine article
Edited By: Senjo M R, April 17

The Jammu and Kashmir State Investigation Agency on Sunday arrested a PhD scholar of the University of Kashmir for a "highly provocative and seditious" article in an online magazine, an official said.
Abdul Aala Fazili was arrested from his Humhama residence as the SIA conducted searches at several locations in the city as part of its crackdown on terror and anti-national networks, the official said.
The SIA, assigned with the duty of investigation and prosecution of terror-related cases, carried out the searches in connection with an FIR registered under various sections of the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act and the IPC against Fazili and the editor and other associates of monthly digital magazine The Kashmir Walla, the official said.
The official said the searches were conducted at the office of The Kashmir Walla in Rajbagh and at the residences of Fazili in Humhama and arrested editor Fahad Shah in Soura."The search teams have seized incriminating evidence, including material in computers, laptops and other digital equipment," the official said.
The official said Fazili's article, titled The shackles of slavery will break, is highly provocative, seditious and intended to create unrest in Jammu and Kashmir, and written with the purpose of abetting the youth to take the path of violence by glorifying terrorism.
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g.sarkar wrote:https://www.rediff.com/news/report/kash ... 220417.htm
Kashmir University PhD scholar held for seditious magazine article
Edited By: Senjo M R, April 17

The Jammu and Kashmir State Investigation Agency on Sunday arrested a PhD scholar of the University of Kashmir for a "highly provocative and seditious" article in an online magazine, an official said.
Abdul Aala Fazili was arrested from his Humhama residence as the SIA conducted searches at several locations in the city as part of its crackdown on terror and anti-national networks, the official said.
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Any relation to Sameera Fazili (whom the Biden administration appointed as Deputy Director of the US National Economic Council), I wonder.

Sameera Fazili has a history of "human rights activism" for the ISI front "Stand With Kashmir", among others.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sameera_Fazili
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I dunno. But the article states that the central government paid Fazili Rs 30,000 per month for five years till March 2021 through the Maulana Azad National Fellowship. That caused khujli in my unmentionable parts.
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Very good talk if you have some time please watch
I wish I can meet Vivek Ranjan Agnihotri, really impressed with his clarity of thought and forceful lecture. Kashmir is the mess left by the Brits as a parting gift to India. Haven't they screwed the entire world with their debauched ideas of lines in the sand by some nutcase lawyer deeply embedded with their version of the deep state. How many wars are due to the DNA of Angel-Saxon hot blood.

Another thing that bugs me is that the Brit Raj and Mughals were never at odds with each other, which leads me to believe that there was a cozy relationship between the two. I keep hearing about how they infiltrated the Mughals using Doctors and Honey traps (passed of conveniently as Rajputs) and eventually changing the descendants who ruled India. The gory killings of own brothers/relatives is a staged managed show by the Brits to get their own amenable Mughal.
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J&K: Sedition charges slapped on Kashmir University PhD scholar for 'highly provocative' article
Jammu and Kashmir State Investigation Agency (SIA) on Sunday arrested a PhD scholar of the University of Kashmir for a "highly provocative and seditious" article in an online magazine. Abdul Aala Fazili was arrested from his Humhama residence as the SIA conducted searches at several locations in the city as part of its crackdown on terror and anti-national networks, an official said.
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I hope proper khatirdaari is being done.
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bala wrote:
Another thing that bugs me is that the Brit Raj and Mughals were never at odds with each other, which leads me to believe that there was a cozy relationship between the two. I keep hearing about how they infiltrated the Mughals using Doctors and Honey traps (passed of conveniently as Rajputs) and eventually changing the descendants who ruled India. The gory killings of own brothers/relatives is a staged managed show by the Brits to get their own amenable Mughal.

This is a massive misreading of history.

The Mughals were a spent force by the time Aurangzeb died.

Note that Maratha army fighting in Panipat in 1761. When the battle of Buxar took place in 1757.

Towards the beginning of 1800s the British and the Marathas were fighting for paramountcy over India. It's the famine which killed nearly 2 million Marathas which brought the Marathas to their knees.

Resulting in British gaining upper hand and disolution of the Maratha confederacy. Which in turn sowed the seeds for the rebellion of 1857.

The British overcoming the rebellion was the final straw which brought all of India directly and indirectly under British crown.

The Mughal and British relationship was immaterial to the British achievement of paramountcy over India.
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Pratyush wrote: This is a massive misreading of history.
The Mughals were a spent force by the time Aurangzeb died.
Note that Maratha army fighting in Panipat in 1761. When the battle of Buxar took place in 1757.
Towards the beginning of 1800s the British and the Marathas were fighting for paramountcy over India. It's the famine which killed nearly 2 million Marathas which brought the Marathas to their knees.
Resulting in British gaining upper hand and disolution of the Maratha confederacy. Which in turn sowed the seeds for the rebellion of 1857.
The British overcoming the rebellion was the final straw which brought all of India directly and indirectly under British crown.
The Mughal and British relationship was immaterial to the British achievement of paramountcy over India.
This is OT: the stage was set during Akbar end - Jehangir reign in India. Mughal emperor Jehangir granted a farman to Captain William Hawkins permitting the English to erect a factory at Surat in 1613. In 1615, Thomas Roe, the Ambassador to James I, got an imperial farman from Jehangir to trade and establish factories all across the Mughal empire. Just ponder on why the Mughal empire would be friendly to the Brits.
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https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/p ... 2022-04-21
PM, President, SC and polls in PoK: How Pakistan runs its ‘Azad Kashmir’ propaganda
As Imran Khan’s party picks a new PM of PoK, here is a look at how Pakistan runs its "Azad Kashmir" propaganda through an array of “institutions”.
Darpan Singh, New Delhi, April 21, 2022

On Monday, Sardar Tanveer Ilyas of Imran Khan’s Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) was elected as the 14th “prime minister” of Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK). Khan, who was recently ousted as Pakistan’s PM, nominated Ilyas after his hand-picked Sardar Abdul Qayyum Niazi resigned following a revolt in the party.
The Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) and the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N), now ruling Pakistan with Shehbaz Sharif as PM, boycotted Ilyas’s election. They had jointly fielded Chaudhry Yasin for the post of PoK’s PM.
The proceedings happened in PoK’s National Assembly, presided over by Speaker Chaudhry Anwarul Haq. The Assembly has 53 members chosen from over 700 candidates by about 20 lakh voters of PoK.
But that's not all. Some might be surprised to know PoK also has federal elections, a President (Barrister Sultan Mehmood Chaudhry, who convened the latest Assembly session), a Supreme Court, and a High Court. But why have these institutions when PoK is a territory by definition occupied by Pakistan?
Let’s first understand how PoK came into being. And for that, we need to rewind to 1947 when Jammu and Kashmir was a princely state.
During Partition, Jammu and Kashmir was given the option to join either India or Pakistan, but its ruler Maharaja Hari Singh chose independence.
Pakistan invaded Jammu and Kashmir despite having signed a standstill agreement with the princely state, which turned to India for help and signed the Instrument of Accession with India.
India's response to Pakistani intrusion resulted in a war that got over in 1949 with the United Nations intervening and accepting that the merger of Jammu and Kashmir with India was legal.
The ceasefire line temporarily bifurcated Jammu and Kashmir, with India controlling about 65 per cent of the state and Pakistan the rest 35 per cent. India calls the 35 per cent part Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir (PoK). Pakistan calls it Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) or Azad Kashmir.
PoK leaders surrendered the Northern Areas to Pakistan under the Karachi Agreement of 1949. A part of PoK in the larger Ladakh region was handed over to China by Pakistan in 1963.
HOW PoK IS ‘GOVERNED’
PoK is divided into two parts: AJK and Gilgit-Baltistan (referred to as the 'Northern Areas' till August 2009). Muzaffarabad is the capital.
PoK comprises 10 districts under three divisions — Mirpur, Muzaffarabad, and Poonch.
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https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/s ... 2022-04-24
PM Modi to visit J&K today, launch projects worth Rs 20,000 crore; security tightened
Multi-tier security arrangements have been made across Jammu and Kashmir ahead of PM Modi's visit to the union territory on Sunday.
Sunil Bhat Kamaljit Kaur Sandhu , Jammu, April 24, 2022

Ahead of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to Jammu and Kashmir on Sunday, security has been tightened across the union territory. Multi-tier security arrangements have been made to ensure no untoward incident takes place.
Director General of Police Dilbagh Singh said, "Security has been beefed up at the borders. Counter drones have been deployed."
In Palli Panchayat in Samba district of Jammu division, from where PM Modi will be addressing Gram Sabhas across the country on the occasion of National Panchayati Raj Day, entry and exit points have been sealed and roads have been barricaded.
All preparations for PM Modi's visit are underway at Palli Panchayat. The prime minister is expected to interact with village heads in Palli Panchayat on arrival on Sunday morning. The locals are reportedly expecting PM Modi to announce good initiatives for the youth.
AGENDA FOR PM MODI'S J&K VISIT
PM Modi will inaugurate and lay the foundation stone of development projects worth over Rs 20,000 crore in Jammu and Kashmir on Sunday. This includes the Banihal-Qazigund road tunnel, the Delhi-Amritsar-Katra Expressway and the Ratle and Kwar hydroelectric projects.
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PM Modi's arrival delayed as blast reported close to the site of PM's speech.
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viveks wrote:I dont think there will ever be a 2 front threat. China is content with holding regions of Tibet and I dont think they would bring it upon themselves to enter a conflict with us to assist Pakis. After watching Kashmir files movie, a thought and suggestion came to mind. Government did a wonderful thing abolishing Article 370 and declaring regions of J&K as union territories. Now, I think we should bloodlessly control PoK and relocate most Muslims there from our controlled region. Pakis should be allowed to visit PoK with external ministry permits and not using Visa and passport. Passport and Visa should only be required to enter our present controlled region of J&K, where majority should be Indian population and Kashmiri Pandits. Kashmiri Muslims should be majority in PoK and would administer that region like a separate union territory. Our military should control PoK and Indian nationals should be allowed to enter PoK based on permits given by ministry of external affairs. So should be the case for Kashmiri pandits. Also, per day, there must be a limit on the amount of Kashmiri muslims on our present controlled side. With the coming of Railway into Srinagar, relocating the Pandits back to our side of Kashmir could become easier and people can move back to their own properties. When I saw in the movie, on how Kashmiri muslim women were ever refusing to allow kashmir pandit women to get groceries and water, it just struck me to relocate them to PoK because I dont think their mindset would ever get liberal or improve like how the Muslims of Gujarat cooperated with the hindus during the Gujarat Riots in certain residential areas. An example I have seen up close and extreme in Vadodara. We must change the dynamics of that state and try for a peaceful solution after all these years of bloodshed and brutality. Congress does not provide solutions and improvements to situations but trys to cope with present difficulties.

Kashmiri Muslims youth/old are full of Bigotry when it comes to managing minorities. They have the same reputation as Pakistan when it comes to dealing with Minorities. Chaos seeking un-pad people who have very little experience in administration and holding those skills. They should have a separate governance independent of Pakistan because Pakistani will also not treat them properly and then they will end blaming both Pakistan and India.
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Now, I think we should bloodlessly control PoK and relocate most Muslims there from our controlled region
This is a classic mistake. Putting them into ghettos or confined territories will ALWAYS produce a Taliban type society. Once internal power struggles are resolved, sharia is imposed etc. they will ALWAYS fan out like their ancestral heros have done, to carry out holy injunction of attacking, dominating, subjugating, converting and exploiting kaffir lands to further the global dominance of islam and to assure themselves of a place in their "paradise". This is the essence of jihad and the raison d'être of a muslim as ordered in their book.

They attained 20% of Sweden, and within a decade have started to run a parallel system in their areas which the Swedish state is afraid of and unable to control. Any non-muslim society with a sizeable muslim population will be better off avoiding concentrations to emerge, distributing them thinly over a large area, not let madrassas prop up, and keep a close watch on their imams, Friday prayers and community leaders. Plus ZERO appeasement.

If we haven't understood this after all these years... :roll: :(
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https://www.rediff.com/news/report/pix- ... 220505.htm
Alert in Jammu after cross-border 'terror tunnel' detected
Hemant Waje, May 05, 2022

The Border Security Force on Thursday said it has detected a cross-border tunnel along the International Border in Jammu and Kashmir's Samba district and claimed to have foiled the plans of Pakistan-based terrorists to disrupt the upcoming Amarnath Yatra.
An alert has been sounded in the Jammu region.
The 150-metres-long tunnel was detected in an area under the Chak Faquira border outpost in Samba on Wednesday evening, BSF officials said.
"With the detection of this tunnel, BSF-Jammu has foiled the nefarious designs of Pakistan-based terrorists to disrupt the upcoming Amarnath yatra," BSF DIG S P S Sandhu said.
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https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/y ... 2022-05-10
Kashmiri separatist leader Yasin Malik pleads guilty before Delhi court in terror case
Separatist leader Mohammad Yasin Malik pleaded guilty to all the charges before a Delhi court in a case related to alleged terrorism and secessionist activities that disturbed the Kashmir valley in 2017.
India Today Web Desk, New Delhi, May 10, 2022

Kashmiri separatist leader Yasin Malik on Tuesday pleaded guilty to all the charges, including those under the stringent Unlawful Activities Prevention Act (UAPA), before a Delhi court. The case is related to alleged terrorism and secessionist activities in the Kashmir valley in 2017.
Malik reportedly told the court that he was not contesting the charges levelled against him, including section 16 (terrorist act) and section 17 (raising funds for terrorist acts).
The court will hear the matter again on May 19 and decide the quantum of sentence levelled against Malik.
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https://indianexpress.com/article/citie ... s-7926942/
Several trapped as under-construction tunnel on Jammu-Srinagar highway collapses
Those trapped inside the tunnel belong to the company conducting the auditing work of the tunnel at Khoni Nallah in Ramban district.
Express Web Desk | Jammu, May 20, 2022

A portion of an under-construction tunnel at Khoni Nallah on the Jammu-Srinagar national highway in Ramban district collapsed on Thursday night, injuring four people and trapping at least seven.
“An under-construction road tunnel at Makgerkot near Ramsu in Ramban district enroute Kashmir collapsed. A portion of the tunnel, just 30 to 40 metres from the entrance, collapsed at around 11 pm on Thursday,” a police officer said, according to news agency PTI.
A joint rescue operation was launched immediately by the police and the Indian Army, officials said. They added that four people were rescued in an injured condition, and several others are still trapped inside the tunnel.
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Now, I think we should bloodlessly control PoK and relocate most Muslims there from our controlled region
This is a classic mistake. Putting them into ghettos or confined territories will ALWAYS produce a Taliban type society. Once internal power struggles are resolved, sharia is imposed etc. they will ALWAYS fan out like their ancestral heros have done, to carry out holy injunction of attacking, dominating, subjugating, converting and exploiting kaffir lands to further the global dominance of islam and to assure themselves of a place in their "paradise". This is the essence of jihad and the raison d'être of a muslim as ordered in their book.

They attained 20% of Sweden, and within a decade have started to run a parallel system in their areas which the Swedish state is afraid of and unable to control. Any non-muslim society with a sizeable muslim population will be better off avoiding concentrations to emerge, distributing them thinly over a large area, not let madrassas prop up, and keep a close watch on their imams, Friday prayers and community leaders. Plus ZERO appeasement.

If we haven't understood this after all these years... :roll: :(
Thanks for interjecting. You may have a good point that Vast distribution of muslim population based on geological factors can play a good difference. However, I do object that segragating them to Pok like how I suggested would give birth to a Taleban type of situation. But I do suggest that schools take initiative on this regard. First, harness liberal muslims with administrative skills...only then move them to PoK. Keeping them policed in a small area is far better than distributing them where they gather together and secretly lean/preach towards such radicalism. These clerics of theirs manage to influence them so much that they loose values of liberalism, values of general education and mainly values/respect for the general civic structure of administrations. With that being said, manage them in a small geographical space may help to keep a watch on their thoughts better.

I understand the difficulties of Sweden. They have welcomed many muslims. But, when radicals start to work prolifics, it is hard to keep a check on them.
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https://www.greaterkashmir.com/kashmir/ ... gp-kashmir
Three Pakistani terrorists, cop killed in Baramulla gunfight: IGP Kashmir
The identity of the slain was not immediately known.
GK Web Desk, 24 May, 2022,

Srinagar, May 25: Three Pakistani terrorists and a policeman were killed in a gunfight in the Kreeri area of north Kashmir's Baramulla district on Wednesday, police said.
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Yasin Malik gets double life imprisonment and 10L fine...hopefully this sh!tstain is locked away for good.
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