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https://www.opindia.com/2019/12/rana-ay ... s-kashmir/ Rana Ayyub illegally smuggles foreign journalist to J&K.
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Twitter Ibn Sina
One of my dream got fulfilled. Thanks to @HMOIndia Shri @AmitShah.

JK Waqf Board abolished, Central Govt brings all #Mosques under its direct control.
Annual income of JKWB was Rs 26 Cr
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It had under it control
970,071 kanal of land
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'Time for Mullah's to pack up their bags.'
This is amazing!! Not a peep from the news dalals. This should go under the achievements thread.
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UNFAIR!!! Paymasters held in dilli with Rs. 30Lac in currency, on way to CashMore
CISF personnel today apprehended four Indians returning from Saudi Arabia with about Rs 39 lakh cash at the Delhi airport.
Reports said the four passengers landed at the Indira Gandhi International Airport from Jeddah and were scheduled to take an Air India flight to Jammu. They were intercepted after the security personnel noticed images of currency wads in their bags.
A total of Rs 38,99,322 cash was found in envelopes belonging to the passengers, reports said.
As the cash was found suspicious, the passengers were handed over to Customs authorities by the CISF personnel, reports said.
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Sanju wrote:Twitter Ibn Sina
One of my dream got fulfilled. Thanks to @HMOIndia Shri @AmitShah.

JK Waqf Board abolished, Central Govt brings all #Mosques under its direct control.
..
Came under central waqf board. link
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vishvak wrote:
Sanju wrote:Twitter Ibn Sina
Came under central waqf board. link
Wait, if the JK Waqf board can be “removed” by the GOI, can the central Waqf board also be dissolved By the GOI. Hypothetically.
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https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/natio ... 70793.html
It’s decided, J&K residents to be issued domicile cards
Four months after Jammu and Kashmir was split into two Union Territories, the Union Government is all set to provide domicile certificate to local residents, as demanded by party’s top local leadership. The government is expected to announce a decision in this regard by December 15.
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^^^ What benefits will such a domicile card give the holder? Again if it is stuff like only they can settle down in Kashmir or Ladakh etc; then I guess we are bringing back the old J&K in a different box.
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“Domicile Certificate in Kerala. Domicile certificate or Residence Certificate is an essential legal document for proving that a person is having a residence in a State. Domicile certificate allows a person to claim various facilities and schemes provided by the Kerala government.”
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Domicile certificate is different from state subject. In lot of states, Govt depts. do ask for domicile certificates for claiming benefits.
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For the first time (??) J&K residents speak out on the obvious: border villages are left to experience Paki shelling.
Time to push the Yellow Sea to the Sindhu.
“abandoning people living along the International Border and LoC in the Jammu region and alleged that the hapless border people have been left on the mercy of God amidst heavy Pak shelling. He accused the Modi Government of failing to put an end to the ceasefire violations by Pakistan along the IB/LOC in Jammu and Kashmir, saying the lives of people living in border areas have become miserable.
He said the persistent ceasefire violations have made the life of people living in border areas miserable and they are forced to lead a life marked by fear, uncertainty and mental stress. Alleging that the NDA Government remained insensitive towards the plight and trauma of the people, he said, “How long people of the Jammu and Kashmir and the country will be fed with rhetoric’s and hollow promises as the ceasefire violations go on unabated?”
Bhalla said the time has come to act and silence the Pakistani guns as the residents of border areas have suffered unimaginable loss to lives, property, livestock, crops, due to unprovoked Pakistani firing and shelling.
A large number of border residents demanded accessible and advanced health care facilities including a blood bank and digital X-ray. Bhalla demanded helicopter services for border residents of Poonch saying that in absence of specialized medical services, several Pak firing injured victims breathe their last mid way when they are referred to GMC Jammu in absence of air service. He also demanded constitution of a Border Areas Development Authority (BADA) to cater the need of developmental activities in border areas.
PCC leader said due to lack of adequate funds Mandi-Fagla-Bufliaz Road, PMGSY Road in Arai Malkan, augmentation of PHE Pumps in the area was still in limbo. He also demanded bullet proof ambulances and oxygen manufacturing plant in Poonch besides early construction of Circular Road in Poonch Town and completion of JU campus in Dingla.
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BTW, this came in J&K Daily Excelsior about Hyderabad and other events recently

and todin, this

How can it be "encounter"? Weren't all 4 already hanging upside down in polis custody? Not weeping, mind u, but it makes me wonder...
Added later:
A bit strange that the sh1ts were taken to the crime scene without "jewelry" around their necks, ankles, hands and mijjiles, hain? Very convenient to snatch weapons and injure 2 polis.

Maybe a message here: swift justice expected, after a few days of enjoyment at the polis resort.
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Skanda wrote: [quote="vishvak">>
Came under central waqf board. link
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Wait, if the JK Waqf board can be “removed” by the GOI, can the central Waqf board also be dissolved By the GOI. Hypothetically.
Suppose a muslim acquired a property of a minority non-believers can he put it into wakf. Similar questions may come up.
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Daily Excelsior report can be pasted here, unlike reports from the plains rags:
Police said the killings took place between 5.45 am and 6.15 am when the accused, lorry workers aged between 20 and 24, were taken to the scene of the crime near Hyderabad from an undisclosed location for a reconstruction of events as part of the investigation. The four men-who were not handcuffed-were in police custody, it said.
Cyberabad Police Commi-ssioner CV Sajjanar told reporters his men resorted to “retaliatory” firing after two of the accused opened fire at police after snatching weapons from them.
He said one of the accused, Mohammed Arif, was the first to open fire, even as the 10-member police team that took them to the crime scene were attacked with stones and sticks.
The police returned fire after initial “restraint” and asking the accused to surrender, he said.
The snatched weapons were in “unlocked” position, he added.
The accused were not handcuffed when the firing took place and the incident happened between 5.45 am and 6.15 am this morning, he said.
A police sub-inspector and a constable suffered head injuries and were undergoing treatment, he said.
“Even though our officers maintained restraint and asked them to surrender, without listening to us, they continued to fire and attack…our people started retaliation. And in that retaliation four accused got killed,” he added.
News of the ‘encounter’ killing led to celebrations in some quarters and concern in others.
The father and the sister of the woman veterinarian said they were very happy and thanked the Telangana Government and police.
“We watched on TV that they were killed in an encounter. We are very happy. Even people are happy. I thank the Telangana Government and police for the encounter. I thank everyone who stood by us,” the father told the media.
The young woman’s sister hoped the killings would be a deterrent for others.
“With this incident people should be scared to commit such crimes (against women),” she said.
While the woman veterinarian has come to be known as “Disha”, direction, the Delhi girl was dubbed “Nirbhaya”, the fearless one.
People showered flower petals and paid homage to the veterinarian and raised slogans that justice had been done. Some shouted “Telangana Police zindabad”
Men and women distributed sweets to police personnel even as some celebrated the killing by bursting fire crackers near the encounter site and in other parts of Hyderabad.
“It has brought peace to the soul of Disha and her family has got justice. They (police) have done encounter we are really happy. It will act as a deterrent. Those want to do crime they should fear… the police have done a very good job,” a city resident said.
The National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) took cognisance of the killings and ordered an inquiry.
In a statement, the apex human rights body said the encounter was a matter of concern and needed to be probed carefully.
Several rights activists spoke out to express their outrage and said the police cannot act like a lynch mob under any circumstance.
The encounter is an attempt by authorities to distract people from the government’s failures to safeguard women’s rights, the activists said, calling for an exhaustive inquiry.
According to Kavita Krishnan, secretary of the All India Progressive Women’s Association, the killing of the four men is not justice but a “ploy” to shut down demands for accountability from the police, judiciary, governments, and justice and dignity for women.
Detailing the events leading to the exchange of fire, Sajjanar said the police team brought the accused to the location based on their ‘confession’ to recover a cellphone and ‘other objects.’
“…all the four accused got together, they started attacking the police party with stones, sticks, and other material. And they also snatched away weapons from our two officers and started firing,” he said.
A medical team reached the spot and a doctor told reporters post-mortem will be conducted in nearby Mahabubnagar district.
Defending the police action, Bengaluru Police Commissioner Bhaskar Rao termed it as “correct and timely” given the situation.
Many political leaders stepped into the growing debate on the circumstances that led to the killing.
Samajwadi Party MP Jaya Bachchan, who had recently advocated lynching of rapists in Parliament, said the killing of the four men was “long due”.
“Better late than never,” she said.
BSP president Mayawati also praised the police for its strong action against the accused.
But there were others who expressed their consternation.
Congress leader and Lok Sabha member Shashi Tharoor said extrajudicial killings were not acceptable.
“We need to know more… Until details emerge we should not rush to condemn. But extrajudicial killings are otherwise unacceptable in a society of laws,” he tweeted.
BJP leader Maneka Gandhi slammed the police and said it set a “horrifying” precedent.
National Commission for Women chief Rekha Sharma said she was happy the perpetrators were dead, but justice should have been done through proper legal channels. (PTI)
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Now if the same can be done to all those rapists walking free in the Cashmore Valley...
Note from comments above that most of the commentors discount the polis version of "encounter". For one thing, taking pre-trial, non-bailed murder suspects on picnics with no restraints, sounds extremely unusual. Secondly, the injuries to the polis appear to be from sticks and stones, not gunshots.

IOW, the polis are really not making more than a thinnest veneer to cover the nature of the "encounter". Blunt message

Question is: How sure are you that all 4 were really the guilty ones?

OTOH, around the same time, Miami Polis managed to kill a hostage and a bystander in "encountering" just 2 robbers, firing over 200 shots. Telangana Polis have not reached such heights.
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When we get PoUToLadakh back we need to put sikh general who has mastered the arts from Maharaj Ranjeet Singh and willing to squat flies for a while till situation becomes normal in letter and spirit.
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https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/i ... 2019-12-03

Cash for violence offers on tape. Few folks travelled to Delhi to make the offers...
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SriKumar wrote:
ShauryaT wrote:
I am not assigning any positions to you. Also, the CGI is a diplomat. Even if one catches his tongue with prongs, the guy will not say what we want him to! To me kudos that he referenced the jews and Israel as a testament to their tenacity and will. Kudos that he stated that Kashmiri culture is Hindu culture.
I do not see any benefit in linking it with the Israeli situation. The downside is that it causes needles controversy which is a distraction from the diplomatic tasks at hand. Clearly, the GOI can do whatever it wants (and more) on the ground, without having to reference up other countries with problems that have some similarity. The implication is that similar tactics and methods could be used to solve it- which may or- more likely- may not be true. India has more options. (To my mind, the bigger issue is how can security be provided to Hindus if the governments change after some time, and a new dispensation has a different perspective).

This seemed to be an informal gathering...his mode of speech and cadence reflected this. So I am not sure that this reflects some change in an official position of the GOI. So I would not give it the same weightage as a public statement. There might be an element of chaankiaan-ness, possibly. And finally, yes, Hinduism is a part of Kashmiri culture- a historical reality that is undeniable. Hindus, and their culture, were ethnically cleansed out of that region and any official sources stating this point is, to my mind, the truth, and hence non-controversial.
My last on this.
The fact that we are debating the "Israel" comment at a pragmatic level (was it wise? Was it an appropriate analogy? Was it just a mistake from a member of a class of people whose thinking is otherwise crystal clear and nationalistic?) is itself revealing.

The "just like Israel" comment comes from an Indian and global mindset that is incapable of ever thinking of India in anything but a vassal position. This mindset is independent of ideology.

Global good-n-greats along with their Indian sepoys jump up and down, saying Modi is just like Trump." And Yeevil Yindooz look at Israel and yearn in their hearts for 1.3B strong vishwa guru to be just like a 10M Abrahamic qaum.

Hardly ever do we hear (hence, hardly ever do we have thoughts of), "India will find its own way, let the world watch and learn if it still remembers how to recognize universal dharma."

Not very heartening raw materials for freeing India to be itself.
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[url=ttps://www.dailyexcelsior.com/jammu-bar-calls- ... cember-18/]Jammu Bar call off strike after Court wins their Hearts and Minds[/url]

Netas got slapped with contempt of court. :mrgreen:
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UBCN Extra Neuj Flash!

PORK Govt to call itself JA(c)KASS

Daily Excelsior
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JAMMU, Dec 13: In a serious development, Pakistan, which has been completely frustrated by the Indian Government’s move to scrap special Constitutional provisions of Jammu and Kashmir and bifurcate it into two Union Territories of J&K and Ladakh, has been mulling change in the status of Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK) and speculations to this effect gained momentum when PoK ‘Government’ renamed ‘Azad Jammu and Kashmir Management Group’ as ‘Jammu And CKashmir Administrative ServiceS’.
The order comes just couple of days after PoK `Prime Minister’ Farooq Haider Khan said in Muzaffarabad that he could be the last `Prime Minister’ of PoK dropping enough hints that Pakistan could alter the status of PoK, which was legally a part of India, which has time and again been reiterated by both Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Home Minister Amit Shah.
An order dated 11th December issued by ‘Azad Government of the State of Jammu and Kashmir’ Services and General Administration Department (Regulations) said the ‘President of Azad Jammu and Kashmir’ ordered renaming of ‘Azad Jammu and Kashmir Management Group’ as `Jammu and Kashmir Administrative Services’ (JKAS) with immediate effect.
“All references to ‘Azad Jammu and Kashmir Management Group’ in any rule, order or instruction shall be construed as reference to Jammu and Kashmir Administrative Services,” the order said.
The PoK Government order assumed significance as it was issued on 11th December i.e. just two days after PoK `Prime Minister’ Farooq Haider Khan made a highly controversial statement in Muzaffarabad stating that he could be the last `Prime Minister’ of PoK.
Khan’s statement had drawn flak from several PoK leaders, who had opposed the sinister plan of Pakistan to fiddle with the status of PoK, which was an autonomous territory held illegally by Pakistan as it was part and parcel of India.
Presently Pakistan has four provinces-Balochistan, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Punjab and Sindh, two autonomous territories (PoK and Gilgit-Baltistan) and one federal territory (Islamabad Capital Territory).
Sources said Pakistan leadership might try to merge PoK with Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, which shared border with PoK as well as Gilgit-Baltistan or make it a fifth province along with Balochistan, Punjab, Sindh and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (which was till 2010 known as North Western Frontier Province).
According to sources, the Indian Government was watching developments in PoK especially in the wake of change in the name of Administrative Services and the PoK `Prime Minister’s’ statement. Only PoK has separate `Prime Minister’ and `President’ while provinces in Pakistan have the Chief Ministers and Governors.
Indian Parliament had unanimously passed a resolution in 1994 during the regime of PV Narsimha Rao stating that PoK is an integral part of India.
In Jammu and Kashmir Re-organization Act approved by the Parliament, the Central Government has kept 24 seats reserved for Pakistan occupied Kashmir in the Legislative Assembly of Jammu and Kashmir. The same numbers of seats were reserved in the previous J&K State Assembly as well for PoK.
The Legislative Assembly of the Union Territory of Jammu and Kashmir will have 114 seats. Election will be held on 90 seats and 24 will be reserved for Pakistan occupied Kashmir.
The Central Government had on August 5 scrapped special Constitutional provisions of Jammu and Kashmir and bifurcated the State into two Union Territories of J&K and Ladakh. Frustrated by the Government decision, Pakistan has been resorting to heavy mortar shelling and firing on the Line of Control in J&K since then. It also tried to internationalize the issued but badly failed in the attempts.
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Psst! What eej their takleef about the "Azad" thing?
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Everyone knows there is no Azad in PORK. Freedom House classifies it as 'Not Free'
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There is Azad in PORK like their is Pak (purity) in Terroristan. :) But all these years, the Pakis claimed that PORK was the Azad part of Cashmore. Why now take that out? Also why Jammu (Hindu-majority place, na?) Are they introducing the Jammu name just to goad India? It was always AK, not AJK. I am confused.
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Porkies fight across Afghanistan border (and bomb their parliament, support Taliban and so on) but about Indian state there always are complaints about certain things or other - besides supporting terrorism, attacking parliament, etc.
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X Posted on the Terroistan Thread

UNSC members force China to bury request for K-debate

NEW DELHI: Faced with opposition from key members of the UN security council, China quietly withdrew its request for a discussion on Kashmir which was earlier scheduled for Tuesday.

The Indian government remained tight-lipped, with official sources saying, “India is not a member of the UN Security Council, so we are not in the room.” However, other countries confirmed China had chosen discretion as the better part of valour. French diplomatic sources asserted, “Kashmir will not be discussed in the security council today. Our position has been very clear: Kashmir issue has to be treated bilaterally. We have highlighted this several times recently, including in New York.”

The thwarting of China’s plans will be a relief for India with officials seeing the move as coinciding with Pakistan’s fresh attempts to raise protests in India over the Citizenship Amendment Act.

As first reported by TOI, China had requested informally for a discussion on Kashmir under the “other business” head. This was seen as an effort to embarrass India, on behalf of all-weather ally Pakistan. However, the Chinese proposal faced a significant pushback from other UNSC members, which ended with a quiet withdrawal.

India and China are scheduled to hold what promises to be an important round of bilateral boundary talks this weekend between national security adviser and special representative Ajit Doval and his Chinese counterpart state counsellor Wang Yi. As first reported by TOI, the boundary talks are scheduled for December 21

In August, during foreign minister S Jaishankar’s visit to China, the Chinese side had hinted at “early harvest” proposals on the boundary. However, these failed to see the light of day, When Wang Yi was visiting Pakistan and Nepal early September, India indicated that the time was “not ripe” for a boundary discussion. This was just after China attempted to pin down India on J&K at the UNSC in midAugust.

The two boundary special representatives also met on the sidelines of the Mahabalipuram summit between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping. This weekend’s meeting has been accorded very high importance by the Indian government, where along with boundary talks, Doval and Wang are expected to hold a strategic dialogue on issues of importance.

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A read over the last few months a dozen old books on Kashmir problem and how to solve it .
None ever envisioned the current methof of UT way to break the impasse.
Jaitley Jai Ho!!!
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ramana wrote:A read over the last few months a dozen old books on Kashmir problem and how to solve it .
None ever envisioned the current methof of UT way to break the impasse.
Jaitley Jai Ho!!!
Well if the impasse was broken, who would pay for authors to write more books on the issue, hain?

Begs the questions, if the "authors" are dissociated from ground realities or peddling agendas disguised as scholarship.
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^ Just not as chankian as MAD.
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Out of box thinking at its best. That is what we did. Planing timing etc are all best. This would go done one of the best moves by any GoI for a foreseeable future. Of course we have SC to contend with now.
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Look if I had written a book outlining that this was the way to dump 370, u would all have laughed. "Internet ban for 6 months, HA!!!" "No violence bad enough to force polis to shoot, for 4.5 months (at least)!" :rotfl: "No international re-percussion, HA!!" :rotfl: Not in Al-****'s lifetime!

If I owned land in POrK/Balwaristan, I would sell now.
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The biggest support to anti-nationals (all kinds of them in India) comes from left. Right now, T is non interfering. But D Govt. would have encouraged jihadis/commie alliance to take this on a massive scale
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This is an article by a person who resided in the upper areas of Jammu Province and details the terror they had to face. The sacrifices made by the members of Village Defence Committees and the general population.
it needs to be read in full. excerpts do not do justice
https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/terror-t ... young-man/
the terror
As a young man born in early 90s in one of the most treacherous terrains of Jammu & Kashmir, I realize my first feeling wasn’t a feeling of love of my mother or affection from my father but of fear of terrorists emanating from the gunshots
the savagery of islam and its practitioners
When the people forced by the huge amount of cattle in their household were forced to send someone to higher terrains carved a strategy to send their women preferably older ones considering the fact that the terrorists used to call themselves jihadi and they were supposed not to attack the women. But while juxtaposing this stance came an instance when the terrorists killed an old Hindu lady in higher reaches of Doda; with another fatwa which sent shivers down the gut of every Hindu living in the terrains of Jammu; “Humkosirf Hindustani khoonchahiye; mard, aurat, budha, jawaan se kyamtlb”. Imagine the savagery!
and the caliber of the J & K administration and police
Imagine the tyranny, when almost 40 terrorists led by a local militant who was identified as well; kidnapped and murdered a young man named Bhabhishan Singh. A FIR was lodged and all the formalities took place and what police did finally? They filed a closure report in the matter; meaning thereby no one killed that young man, no one had cut his tongue, no one made a slitin his throat, no one mutilated his ears, in short the whole blame goes to no one. The things get awry when a son can easily identify the killer of his father but now the killer is uniformed and hence protected. This is Art. 370 for a 3-years old son who had to lit the pyre of his father brutally murdered by the terrorists and the state stood in silent privy to the aggressors. Leave aside justice not even a criminal trial took place against the killers for the merciless murder of his father. The villagers even knew the local aid of the terrorists who killed 22 persons in one night and in one single room, but police never bothered to investigate and subsequently prosecute him.
the fixing of the recuritment of govt employees
What I encountered was the fact that jihad wasn’t only with Klashinkovs but through recruitments as well; majority of names, almost 80% in every recruitment list belonged to Kashmir and whenever someone was caught, just the names were changed while the discrimination always grew stronger and stronger.
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The Indian Army on Saturday rejected social media rumours that it opened the fence at the Line of Control (LoC) and captured a village in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK). The Army said that such speculation were being spread on social media by vested interests to further the agenda of Pakistan. News agency ANI cited Army sources labelling the rumours as part of Pakistan’s misinformation campaign
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In the words of "Yes Minister", if it is Denied Officially it must be true. What's this about Neelum Valley Hwy being declared Open Paki-Hunting Zone? Where was that announced?

OTOH, this is a NEAT idea. Gandhian Terror. Get a few really loud concert speakers, put them on jeeps, play helicopter and jet aircraft and shell sounds and run them along the Yellow Sea. Fix a few posts that are leaning, using earthmover equipment. Put out a Denial next day saying
Indian Army strongly denies social media rumors that we conducted a combined land-air raid on a Brigade HQ inside POrK, killed 15 Pak troops and 27 terrorists, and captured 1 No.s Brigadiers and 2 Colonels who have been Handed Over to RAA for interrogation. Such Social Media rumors have no credence. All our troops returned safely to base and are laughing about the Brigadier's polka dot briefs.
Show a video of that revered Sardar the 15Corps Jarnail guffawing. :eek:
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It's real: Daily Excelsior shows photos
Army targets LeT, JeM terror launch pad in Neelum Valley; many dead
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Daily Excelsior -
22/12/2019

2 Pak jawans killed, bid to regain posts foiled
Situation remains tense on LoC
Sanjeev Pargal
JAMMU, Dec 21: Pakistan army last night made fresh attempt to regain its lost posts in Khour and Pallanwalla areas on the Line of Control (LoC) in Akhnoor sector of this district but their attempt was foiled by the Indian troops resulting into death of at least two Pakistani troopers while Army destroyed a terror launch pad of Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) and Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) outfits in forward area of Neelum Valley in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK) opposite Kupwara sector, leaving many militants inside dead.
There has been spurt in ceasefire violations by Pakistan army on the LoC in Jammu and Kashmir during past few days, the latest one being witnessed on December 19 when Pakistan’s Brigade Headquarters and Special Services Group (SSG) Centres were hit in the Indian retaliation leading to several casualties, both fatal and non fatal, across the LoC.
Sources told the Excelsior that after a gap of about a fortnight, Pakistan army last night made yet another attempt, third in past one month, to regain four to five posts which they had lost in retaliatory action by the Indian troops earlier, by resorting to very heavy volume of firing and shelling on forward posts and civilian locations along LoC in Khour and Pallanwalla sectors of Akhnoor tehsil.
The Indian Army which was anticipating such an attempt by Pakistani troops retaliated Pakistani shelling and firing very effectively, leading to heavy exchanges that lasted for about two hours. Thereafter, small arms firing also continued for next three hours. However, Pakistan army failed in its plot to regain the last posts.
“At least two Pakistan army personnel were killed in retaliation action by the Indian troops. Their bodies were lying on the LoC but till this afternoon, Pakistan army made no attempt to retrieve the bodies even as there was no firing from the Indian side during the day,’’ sources said, adding that Pakistan was desperate to regain the lost posts to use them for facilitating infiltration attempts into the Indian territory.
Subsequent intercepts confirmed the killing of two Pakistan army personnel in Indian retaliatory firing and extensive damage to one Pakistani bunker. However, there were no casualties or damage on the Indian side in Pakistani firing.
A physical verification, however, could not be carried out because of the tense situation along the Line of Control, sources said.
“There was heavy exchange of fire between India and Pakistan armies after the later violated the ceasefire in Akhnoor sector during the intervening night of December 20 and 21,” Jammu-based Army PRO Lt Col Devender Anand said, adding further details are awaited.
He said the Pakistan army also initiated unprovoked ceasefire violation by firing of small arms and shelling with mortars and artillery in Keri Battal area of Sunderbani sector in Rajouri district around 11.30 am.
“Indian Army retaliated befittingly,” he said adding the heavy exchange of fire between the two sides was going on when last reports were received.
A police official said a number of forward villages were hit by the Pakistani shells but there was no immediate report of any casualty.
“People have been advised to stay inside underground bunkers and take precautionary measures to avoid any casualty during Pakistan shelling and firing,” he added. Meanwhile, a terror launch pad has been destroyed by the Army in Neelum Valley of Pakistan occupied Kashmir opposite Kupwara sector on the LoC. Sources said the terror launch pad was targeted by the Indian Army in forward area of Neelum Valley after developing specific inputs that the Pakistan army personnel had kept militants of LeT and JeM outfits there to push them into the Kashmir valley.
“The terror camp was accurately hit,’’ sources said but couldn’t confirm number of casualties of the militants as the camp caught fire and was destroyed. The camp was being protected by Pakistan army’s Special Services Group from four adjacent buildings. However, many militants hiding inside the camp were believed to have been killed.
Sources said the camp had been located in the village but Pakistan army had already shifted civilian population from there and structures had been occupied by the Pakistan SSG personnel. Ambulances were seen moving in the area.
However, the LoC in twin border districts of Poonch and Rajouri remained peaceful since yesterday. LoC in these two districts has been very active for the past several months with Pakistan army regularly resorting to shelling and firing on the Indian forward posts as well as civilian locations.
Ceasefire violations by Pakistan army which started after February 14 Pulwama attack in which 44 CRPF personnel were martyred, had intensified since August 5 when the Centre scrapped special Constitutional provisions of Jammu and Kashmir and bifurcated the State into two Union Territories of J&K and Ladakh. Pakistan army has suffered heavy casualties and infrastructural losses in retaliation by the Indian troops but it continued to aid and abet infiltration by the militants on the LoC under the covering fire. However, majority of infiltration attempts have been foiled by the troops.
Meanwhile, India and Pakistan troops exchanged heavy shelling along the LoC in North Kashmir today.
An official said that Pakistani troops violated ceasefire along the LoC in Keran sector of Kupwara this evening.
He said that firing started at around 4:15 p.m. and continued till 7:30 p.m. “Both the sides used mortars and heavy machine guns to target each other’s posts”, he said.
I don't think it is acceptable to have Pakis shell Indian villages. LOC needs to be moved sufficiently inside POK to put Indian villages out of reach of Paki shells. Like to the Indus or the Durand Line
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Meanwhile.. buried in the news somewhere...

And confirming that: 7000 troops return to their usual quarters.
Govt eases out troops deployment in Kashmir with ‘immediate effect’
The ministry of home affairs on Monday ordered the withdrawal of 72 companies or approximately 7000 personnel of the Central Armed Police Forces (CAPFs) with “immediate effect” and deploy them to their respective posts.
They included troops from the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF), Border Security Force (BSF), Central Industrial Security Force (CISF), Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) and Sashastra Seema Bal (SSB).

Earlier, around 20 companies were withdrawn from Kashmir and deployed in Assam in the second week of December.
Bhy 72, hain? :eek:
And.. Situation NAAAAAAAAAARMAAAAAAL
Apart from the regular 61 battalions or nearly 62,000 personnel of CRPF, the Centre had rushed 70 more battalions—around 75,000 personnel—to J&K in August and September for the law and order duties and counter-insurgency operations.
“The situation is very much under control in J&K and things are back to normal. The operations against terror groups will continue and law and order situation will be monitored on a regular basis,” an official with the home ministry said.
According to the government, not even a single death has happened due to police firing in law and order related incidents in J&K during this period.
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UlanBatori wrote:It's real: Daily Excelsior shows photos
Army targets LeT, JeM terror launch pad in Neelum Valley; many dead
By
Daily Excelsior -
22/12/2019

2 Pak jawans killed, bid to regain posts foiled
Situation remains tense on LoC
Sanjeev Pargal
JAMMU, Dec 21:
Sources told the Excelsior that after a gap of about a fortnight, Pakistan army last night made yet another attempt, third in past one month, to regain four to five posts which they had lost in retaliatory action by the Indian troops earlier, by resorting to very heavy volume of firing and shelling on forward posts and civilian locations along LoC in Khour and Pallanwalla sectors of Akhnoor tehsil.
It seems like these posts were really important from paki pov to facilitate infiltration making pukes desperate to take these back. I also wonder how much of LOC has actually changed on the ground in the past 5 years.
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YAWN of course quotes the ever-believable ISPR claiming that IA suffered heavy casualties...
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What should also be noted is that Kashmiri contribution to the anti-CAA riots are pretty much 0%. No sense of entitlement, no Jehad calls, no Islamic rage boy in action etc. etc.
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All the Pro-Constitution Cash-More Freedom Fighters are lolling by the heated pools in the Srinagar Centaur RatMotel, or breaking rocks in Arunachal. OR.... the Lesson has seeped in. Like it might in Madhya Pradesh with curfew and 144 in most districts.

Real reason is lack of funding. I bet the risk-payoff ratio is just waaaaay too high for any smart riot-investor or ISI handler to send cash to CashMore these days for minor things like stone-throwing.
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