J&K Union Territory-2019

Gautam_2 · Post by **Gautam_2** » 27 Aug 2019 21:51

Under Imran Khan, Pakistan forced to defend Muzaffarabad: Bilawal Bhutto

The narrative is changing, the panic is setting in and the vultures are already circling...

disha · Post by **disha** » 27 Aug 2019 22:33

Rsatchi wrote:I have pooch for legal-eagles on the Forum
1. What is the legal option of Kashmiri Pandit who were either forced to sell land for pittance on duress or has been illegally occupied by KM
Can the full force IPC both civil and criminal laws be enforced to evict the illegal occupation.
Also can they expect any compensation for having been forced to sell for pittance
2. I am sure just like the temples in rest of India the Kashmiri temples also must have had land and property endowed to them
So what is the status of the property of the temples either destroyed or in ruins
If there are illegal occupation can they be evicted legally and the property returned to the temple committe
3. Also was there Mujrai department as per J&K constitution
Do you reckon that th illegal occupiers are worried that they will be caught
God knows what the KM dominated revenue department have made numerous ‘Ghotala’
And any of this have any bearing on the so called ‘non cooperation ‘movement of the local
And lastly a docu-drama by friendly TV be detrimental to the on going efforts to normalise the conditions
Eager for any Gyan in this matter

Yes, item #1 can be pursued. The law is behind you.

Same with item #2. However it will go into religio-political discussions.

Item #3 will scream like crazies and feed into Item #2. There are enough lootyens #mediapimps supported by CONgoons who would love to feed at that trough.

VikramA · Post by **VikramA** » 27 Aug 2019 22:34

this is the impression that i am getting from the epic meltdown of immy the dim and the hyper reaction of paki media. their reaction has got nothing to do with 370 and everything to do with the fear that indian military is finally planning to move on POK. that is why the nuke threats and call for international intervention. people are speculating that pakis are planning another pulwama. i don't think so. the pakis are scared that if another high profile terrorist incident takes place, this indian gov will get a legitimate excuse to move on POK and the paki military does not have the capacity to stop indian military from over running their positions in POK. and in this age of social media their loss of POK at the hands of evil baniyas will mean decimation of PAKI military H&D in paki society from which they will never recover.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 27 Aug 2019 22:58

KJo wrote:Mad dog Nazir Ahmed sits in the UK and hoping for Modi's demise.

https://twitter.com/nazir_lord/status/1 ... 9194048513

I reported him to twitter for calling for elimination of a country's head. Let's see if anything happens, most likely the mod is another paki.

I think is bio on Twitter is also incorrect. He is not the first muslim in the House Of Lords.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 27 Aug 2019 23:05

Hey! How about some Pest-Treatment Service to Humanity? Send that twitter post and complaint to BBC, also the House of Lawds fuddy-duddys committee, and the Sydney Morning Herald, along with TOI and The Hundi and the Indian Express. Let's make a big deal of it. "Terrorist British Lawmaker demands assasination of India's Prime Minister." Get him kicked off the House of Lawds, or make it painful for the Lawds to Seat Themselves.

venkat_r · Post by **venkat_r** » 27 Aug 2019 23:09

It is amazing how beautiful are the surroundings and how normal the life is in Kashmir

https://youtu.be/U24E_aPR3JU

How a normal reporting can look like

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 27 Aug 2019 23:14

So the new Rahul-Double Bilawal Narrative is that Im The Dim conspired with DT and NaMo to sell out Kashmir, with Dim assuring US that the MightyPakistan Army would sit on its thumbs as usual and not destroy the IA. Wonderful.

I guess it is not the time to tell Bilawal Baccha that he should forget about MooBad and think about evacuating 'Hore and Pindi.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 27 Aug 2019 23:16

Bajrang Dal was founded in 1984 per various authors. Specifically October 7, 1984 per some EJ publication.

IG was assassinated October 31, 1984.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 27 Aug 2019 23:19

New Delhi:
Shah Faesal, the IAS topper from Kashmir whose detention soon after the scrapping of Kashmir's special status triggered outrage, was instigating crowds at the Srinagar airport, the Jammu and Kashmir administration has told the Delhi High Court today. This is why he was detained, Jammu and Kashmir administration said after it was asked to respond to Shah Faesal's petition.
Shah Faesal, who recently announced his intention to join politics, was detained at the Delhi airport on August 14, as he was about to fly abroad. He was sent back to Srinagar, and detained.
On August 12, a Look Out Circular -- under which one is not allowed to leave the country -- was issued against him by the Intelligence Bureau. Questioning Shah Faesal's contention that he was on way to the US to complete his studies at the Harvard University, the government said he was travelling on a tourist visa and not a student visa.
The government said on August 14, while on way to Delhi from Srinagar, Shah Faesal had started addressing the crowd at the airport, instigating them. "Hence, as per the orders of a Magistrate, he was detained".
Shah Faesal had been one of the most vocal critic of the government's move to end Jammu and Kashmir's special status and bifurcate the state into two Union Territories.

Just showing his pakiness. Innocent By Reason Of Terrorist Inclinations

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Aug 2019 23:25

UlanBatori wrote:
New Delhi:
Shah Faesal, the IAS topper from Kashmir whose detention soon after the scrapping of Kashmir's special status triggered outrage, was instigating crowds at the Srinagar airport, the Jammu and Kashmir administration has told the Delhi High Court today. This is why he was detained, Jammu and Kashmir administration said after it was asked to respond to Shah Faesal's petition.
Shah Faesal, who recently announced his intention to join politics, was detained at the Delhi airport on August 14, as he was about to fly abroad. He was sent back to Srinagar, and detained.
On August 12, a Look Out Circular -- under which one is not allowed to leave the country -- was issued against him by the Intelligence Bureau. Questioning Shah Faesal's contention that he was on way to the US to complete his studies at the Harvard University, the government said he was travelling on a tourist visa and not a student visa.
The government said on August 14, while on way to Delhi from Srinagar, Shah Faesal had started addressing the crowd at the airport, instigating them. "Hence, as per the orders of a Magistrate, he was detained".
Shah Faesal had been one of the most vocal critic of the government's move to end Jammu and Kashmir's special status and bifurcate the state into two Union Territories.
Just showing his pakiness. Innocent By Reason Of Terrorist Inclinations

removal of art 370 sank his political ambitions as well as his future.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 28 Aug 2019 00:25

The IAS, IPS and IFS recruitment process seems to be pretty corrupted and in need of a Broom-e--AmitShah. Recently as u may have seen, Kerala Polis exam top-rankers were found to be also those who had the question papers and answer papers in their homes: may have done the grading by themselves too. All CPI(M)/ SFI/ DYFI. That Kannan bugger also does not cast Malloostani IAS in a very good light, his herrowic doings in the Flood of 2018 may have been also CPI(M) scam.
Some of the diplos that they send abroad also don't come through looking that great, though that has improved a bit.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 28 Aug 2019 00:34

If India gets POk and unites Kashmir - there will be permanent peace. Kashmiris will be grateful eternally.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Aug 2019 00:59

UlanBatori wrote:The IAS, IPS and IFS recruitment process seems to be pretty corrupted and in need of a Broom-e--AmitShah. Recently as u may have seen, Kerala Polis exam top-rankers were found to be also those who had the question papers and answer papers in their homes: may have done the grading by themselves too. All CPI(M)/ SFI/ DYFI. That Kannan bugger also does not cast Malloostani IAS in a very good light, his herrowic doings in the Flood of 2018 may have been also CPI(M) scam.
Some of the diplos that they send abroad also don't come through looking that great, though that has improved a bit.

i think that someone tried to make a political gesture or make a PR point by doing something like allowing that cashmeri joker feisal to "top" the "exam" by rigging it.

it seems to have backfired in a rather less than stellar way. Sometimes our intelligence guys prove that the word intelligence, when applied to them, is actually a contradiction in terms

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 28 Aug 2019 01:05

V_Raman wrote:If India gets POk and unites Kashmir - there will be permanent peace. Kashmiris will be grateful eternally.

No Sir. Permanent peace will come only after Pakjab is removed from the rest of Pakistan. So, parts of Pakistan must be broken up and given independence. These parts will still be against India as BD is. But it will all be manageable and small.
Gautam

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 28 Aug 2019 01:25

POK and GB must be flushed first. I mean, no way do we want the present infestations there to become Indian voters, hain?

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 28 Aug 2019 03:11

There is no comparison of the 80s Punjab with 2010s Jammu and Kashmir.

Early in 1977s the newspapers were full of news like (pre public television/radio days with only print media being free press)

COW's TAIL THROWN IN A TEMPLE
CIGARETTES found IN GURUDWARA
Then the news became
20 non-sikhs (people who were not wearing turbans) were separated from bus passengers and killed.
40 non-sikhs (people who were not wearing turbans) were separated from bus passengers and killed.
50 non-sikhs (people who were not wearing turbans) were separated from bus passengers and killed.
Riders on Motorcycles would go to the shops and spray people with bullets killing hundreds.
bombs, etc.
Several fake Sikhs were found (people who had beards with turbans but circumcised)

All travel after night was banned and in the border districts of Gurdaspur, Amritsar and Ferozepur there was curfew.

Then.., Lala Jagat Narain murder and subsequently Congress (under Zail Singh as president, Darbara Singh as Chief minister of Punjab and Indira Gandhi as PM) tried to undercut Akalis in Punjab by supporting Bhindrewale refusing him to arrest (later arrested and released).

Then... Attack at Golden Temple and revenge wars! Most people became Khalistanis not to "GET an Utopian land" but to revenge the murder of their family members.

I Know a person who was a sole male survivor from Delhi pogrom, he settled his family in Chandigarh went back to Delhi in few years and murdered those who he had identified as murderers of his father and brothers.

There were some people who were in for money they would just go around asking money from families and sometimes loot banks all the while "Asking for Khalistan"

It became so bad that from 1985 - 1995 there were daily at least 20+ murders.

Everybody realized that they have to do something and started asking for weapons to be used against terrorists (especially in border districts) earlier police had de-weaponized all (no licensed weapons were allowed and terrorists had free fall).

Then with citizens help police under KPS Gill was able to capture and/or kill the bad elements and everything else fell in place.

At any time not more than 5-7% of the Sikh population ever thought or supported of having a separate country called Khalistan. The problem was that police would arrest any Amritdhari sikh suspecting him/her to be a "Terrorist"

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 28 Aug 2019 03:12

chetak wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:
Just showing his pakiness. Innocent By Reason Of Terrorist Inclinations

removal of art 370 sank his political ambitions as well as his future.

Precisely he was dreaming of making mega bucks like Abdullah/Muftis and now he thinks the only way to make money and stay relevant is to become a ISI stooge like Gilani. Expect more frothing to be seen at his mouth as he realizes that even that option will soon be gone.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Aug 2019 03:39

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... 0F5qrm2fIE

Kashmir: A civilizational battle - Ashish Dhar

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 28 Aug 2019 04:23

UlanBatori wrote:POK and GB must be flushed first. I mean, no way do we want the present infestations there to become Indian voters, hain?

It will be a UT with small Number of MPs. It can be managed. India will silently encourage non- Kashmiris to go packing for a period of time and most of them will do it. Otherwise the humiliation of NRC will be on them.

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 28 Aug 2019 05:50

SBajwa wrote:There is no comparison of the 80s Punjab with 2010s Jammu and Kashmir.

This was payment in blood for lessons which we should NEVER forget. They should be taught over and over again to all of us. They should definitely not be papered over like a bad dream (like Partition was basically handled). Both sides of the story if one is identifying sides; at the end of the day both sides are our people.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 28 Aug 2019 06:03

What sticks in my mind is the description of an explosion on a train at a station

Pieces of human flesh hanging from the nearby trees

Enough of that. Kashmir cannot be allowed to become anything like that. The KPS Gill lesson is that that stage should be reached very fast, Kill the Terrorists.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 28 Aug 2019 06:28

Day 22. Situation NAAAAAAAAAAAAARmal
Hospitals claim that they are running out of medical supplies. Terrorist-in-Chief Bajwa opens his mouth. Nothing else to report.
I mean, they are reduced to showing sdre ex-IAS Kannan's mug. Or whining about the poor Kashmir Polis, wisely disarmed the day b4 August 5.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 28 Aug 2019 06:38

chetak wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... 0F5qrm2fIE

Kashmir: A civilizational battle - Ashish Dhar

...

Damn, that was disturbing. I came to my own conclusion long back that the Valley Muslims were actually sneaky, murderous rats and not the "innocent victims" that everyone cries for, but to have it documented like this...

banrjeer · Post by **banrjeer** » 28 Aug 2019 06:50

V_Raman wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:POK and GB must be flushed first. I mean, no way do we want the present infestations there to become Indian voters, hain?
It will be a UT with small Number of MPs. It can be managed. India will silently encourage non- Kashmiris to go packing for a period of time and most of them will do it. Otherwise the humiliation of NRC will be on them.

GB first a small population but strategically important.
non natives can be encouraged to move south. Much easier to manage.

The Indian state has to really ramp up on governance nationwide before taking on more crowded areas.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 28 Aug 2019 07:03

Rsatchi wrote:
Kashi wrote:
The same egg-head who called for Kashmiris to murder Hindus?
Yes the super accented egg head

And we are inviting such people on our TV shows?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 28 Aug 2019 07:24

Soura (The Hundi)

Posters have emerged as the new means of communication in Jammu and Kashmir as the communication shut down enters the third week.
A walk in the interiors of Soura, located in the periphery of Srinagar, which has turned into a bastion of demonstrations since the August 5 decision to revoke J&K’s special status, shows posters on almost every pole calling for “civil disobedience” . Roads are barricaded with tins, sewer pipes and tree trunks. Outsiders' credentials are scrutinised by youth manning the barricades.
One poster in Urdu reads: “No employee should cooperate with the present government. Pay no taxes. Boycott paying bills for electricity and water”. It ends with a call to march to the residence of Mr. Geelani in Hyderpora on August 28.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 28 Aug 2019 07:31

This airspace closing talk - I guess pak is going into a state of defense preparedness for the inevitable PoK offensive by India!

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 28 Aug 2019 07:49

UlanBatori wrote:Soura (The Hundi)
Posters have emerged as the new means of communication in Jammu and Kashmir as the communication shut down enters the third week.
A walk in the interiors of Soura, located in the periphery of Srinagar, which has turned into a bastion of demonstrations since the August 5 decision to revoke J&K’s special status, shows posters on almost every pole calling for “civil disobedience” . Roads are barricaded with tins, sewer pipes and tree trunks. Outsiders' credentials are scrutinised by youth manning the barricades.
One poster in Urdu reads: “No employee should cooperate with the present government. Pay no taxes. Boycott paying bills for electricity and water”. It ends with a call to march to the residence of Mr. Geelani in Hyderpora on August 28.

Actually this is excellent. Give the "youth" more power, they will inevitably abuse it. Folks will get sick of living in a micro-Pakistan and eventually will come around. There used to be many walled cities across the country earlier with their own rules and self-proclaimed authorities, all those are history now.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 28 Aug 2019 07:52

Pay no bills - receive no service.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 28 Aug 2019 08:16

Mungo Park in his travels in west Africa (around 1795) relates an instance of the humour amongst the native people.

Some clever men used to hunt lions with a portable cage like device made of wood that would trap the lion in the enclosure when they walled off the animal, until one day they found themselves on the same side as the lion.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 28 Aug 2019 08:40

UlanBatori wrote:Day 22. Situation NAAAAAAAAAAAAARmal

Too early to celebrate saar. Am sure anger is building up in everyone there. Wasn't there news of killing a truck driver by stone pelters who assumed the driver to be from the army.

Rajesh_MR · Post by **Rajesh_MR** » 28 Aug 2019 08:59

Most likely only assumption mobs make is other side won't respond

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 28 Aug 2019 09:26

Curiously the duffer-e-bakistan group is silent and hasn't yet burned down Peshawar KFC that they used to at the drop of the hat.

FATF is the world's greatest anti terrorism force, Hain ji?

Katare · Post by **Katare** » 28 Aug 2019 09:30

Lisa wrote:
KJo wrote:Mad dog Nazir Ahmed sits in the UK and hoping for Modi's demise.

https://twitter.com/nazir_lord/status/1 ... 9194048513

I reported him to twitter for calling for elimination of a country's head. Let's see if anything happens, most likely the mod is another paki.
I think is bio on Twitter is also incorrect. He is not the first muslim in the House Of Lords.

Good job KJo! Tweet’s been removed

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 28 Aug 2019 09:41

That was an informative presentation of a civilisational battle.

I hope SBajwa can relate the history of Guru Teg Bahadur in the civilisational misunderstanding.

I myself don’t know much about it. But i know it is time other Indians especially from the east and the south learn a bit more.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 28 Aug 2019 10:00

All in a day's time.

Top officials discuss modalities on J&K bifurcation. Which means that "bifurcation" is now a reality, and now amount "secular" whine would change it .
SC to hear petitions questioning abrogation of Art 370. The other wise jobless comrade, Yechuri is also moving a habeous corpus petition to know the whereabouts the CPM man Yusuf Tarigami .
Process begins to free J&K political leaders in phases. Perhaps GoI would also use this to prove that they are all open form restoring normalcy.

V_Raman wrote:This airspace closing talk - I guess pak is going into a state of defense preparedness for the inevitable PoK offensive by India!

The "secular" main stream media have already started whining that this would be a big loss for India. Pakistan should really be lucky to have so much sympathisers in an enemy country of theirs.

A_Gupta wrote:Pay no bills - receive no service.

Infact this would be the best reason to continue denying services like internet and telephone. Pay for it, and the connection would be restored. This poster sticking business also proves that there is enough and more freetime for the Kashmiri freeloaders. This entire population has been doing nothing and living at the cost of the nation

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Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 28 Aug 2019 10:09

Kashi wrote:
Rsatchi wrote: Yes the super accented egg head
And we are inviting such people on our TV shows?

Not only inviting them but paying them handsomely for their appearances, in fact higher pay for being more obnoxious (for TRPs). Check out Sushant Sareen's twitter feed - he routinely participates in the prime time shows and has first hand accounts of this.

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 28 Aug 2019 10:23

pakis have "KASHMIR issue" and Indians have Kashmir !

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 Aug 2019 10:29

Sumair wrote: Sir the 84 riots were not organic in nature. They were organized mostly by youth congress leaders who hired Bajrang Dal to do what they do best.

There is no evidence to your statement that Bajrang Dal was involved in this. There is in fact lot of incidents wherein RSS people saved Sikhs in Delhi. Had Bajrang Dal was involved in any way they would have been hanged by Media first and they by the Congress Government.

This idea of blaming RSS and its pariwar organisations for 1984 is the recent ploy of INC gangs. Bajrang Dal people do not hate Sikhs and not goon for hire as you are making out here.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 28 Aug 2019 10:38

Also it's malicious to label those heinous events of 1984 as Hindu-Sikh riots. They were INC/Congress (I)-organised attacks on the Sikhs of Delhi.