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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 08:44
by Rajeev
Washington working on strategy to refrain cross-border infiltration by Pakistan

https://www.firstpost.com/world/washing ... 20201.html

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 10:06
by vimal
Rajeev wrote:Washington working on strategy to refrain cross-border infiltration by Pakistan

https://www.firstpost.com/world/washing ... 20201.html


Look at the choice of word "refrain" and not "prevent", means all bokbaas.
Like providing f-16s and amraams to fight the piglets?
Also, DT should be the last one talking about human rights and equality.

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 10:14
by Bart S
Yes it is rubbish. When you equate an honest party and a party that is a pathologically dishonest and devious and has a proven track record of double-crossing and lock them into some kind of phony deal, it is the honest party that loses out.

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 10:30
by yensoy
Rajeev wrote:Washington working on strategy to refrain cross-border infiltration by Pakistan
https://www.firstpost.com/world/washing ... 20201.html


Wait, there is no mention of "mediation". So what do Pakis gain from acceding to US requests to refrain? Either something more is promised to them, or mediation will be forced upon us. We have to say something like "ok let's see if this deal is durable, and no infiltration attempts for xxx years, then we can take it to the next step". Minimum of 5 years. Pakfauj is guaranteed to do something stupid earlier than that.

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 10:42
by Cain Marko
Vips wrote:
pankajs wrote:The bakis are very visibly hurt. While Zam Zam HamIED accepts that bakis have been defeated by India and dishing out some truths @ 5:00, @7:35 & @10:20 & @13:15

There are other video but consider this a representative of the RR on Baki TV.

The Kashmiris would be watching one of the stalwarts of GCC/Arab Word/Muslim World awarding iits highest award to PM Modi on DD on loop for the full next week.


Zaid Hamid in his frustration crossed the red line and said (6:00 onwards) that the reason Arab sheikhs and the prince are supporting India is because these prince are living a very sinful life and India has compromised them and is blackmailing these Arabs. Seems Lal Topi has forgotten the treatment he got in Saudi Jail. Time now for Saudi/UAE to crack the whip and have this Porki arrested as soon as he travels to any GCC country to complete his prison term and get the lashing's that he was pardoned for.


He better be careful going to their embassies for a Visa. Another Khashoggi in the making ..

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 10:48
by Karthik S
the joker may get more lashes as his last visit. even pakis don't take him seriously.

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 11:55
by Nikhil T
One thing that I have noticed about Pakis is that they are very, very judgmental and quick to stab in the back. In this clip, Lal Topi starts by saying that Pak should be best friends with Arab countries, but in the same breath says the Arab princes are sinful, get blackmailed and aren’t worth Pakistan’s friendship.

Seriously, he talks about providing the Arabs a ‘security umbrella’ ...Would anyone even hire a security guard who abuses his employer at the drop of a hat!

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 12:23
by Raja
I find it interesting that Pakistan is quick to forget about how the muslims in China are being treated because its in their self-interest to do so. They are basically doing the exact same thing to Uighurs as the Arab world is doing to them. I am also bit surprised that this point is not hammered more strongly by the Indian side.

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 12:29
by pankajs
^^
The last point is because the bakis are lamenting and talking amongst themselves.

Also, while it seems attractive on the face of it, the two situations have nothing in common. The Chinese are forcing the Uyghur's to denounce and renounce their religion, their culture and traditions while the Indian state is offering the Kashmiris the full citizenship of India just as it available to the rest of the Muslim in India and indeed at par with what is available to rest of the non-Muslims in India while still retaining their religious, cultural, traditional and local identity.

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 12:43
by pankajs
Bakis acting like ... well bakis wonlee.

https://twitter.com/YusufDFI/status/1165480068010823680
Yusuf Unjhawala @YusufDFI

Hours after the UAE awarded Narendra Modi its highest civilian honour, Pak Senate Chairman Sadiq Sanjrani cancelled a scheduled visit to UAE

https://twitter.com/TimesofIslambad/sta ... 3263650817
Times of lsIamabad @TimesofIslambad

A day of shame for Muslims as Indian PM Modi honoured highest award by key Islamic country https://ift.tt/31Z7vvr

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 13:20
by pankajs
https://twitter.com/majorgauravarya/sta ... 0670522368
Major Gaurav Arya (Retd) @majorgauravarya

Without lifting a finger, India has reduced everyone in Pakistan to the level of a Twitter troll. Fancy sounding titles like Sadr-e-Riyasat and Wazir-e-Azam now mean nothing more than “blue tick” verified handles.

Poori Qaum ko truck ki batti ke peeche laga diya

Modi is also rubbing salt on their wounds by

1. Ignoring them; not responding to their insults and their shrill war talk
2. Going about his merry business as if nothing out of the ordinary has happened.
3. Being invited and honored in the Gulf.

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 13:53
by chetak
pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/majorgauravarya/status/1165469890670522368
Major Gaurav Arya (Retd) @majorgauravarya

Without lifting a finger, India has reduced everyone in Pakistan to the level of a Twitter troll. Fancy sounding titles like Sadr-e-Riyasat and Wazir-e-Azam now mean nothing more than “blue tick” verified handles.

Poori Qaum ko truck ki batti ke peeche laga diya

Modi is also rubbing salt on their wounds by

1. Ignoring them; not responding to their insults and their shrill war talk
2. Going about his merry business as if nothing out of the ordinary has happened.
3. Being invited and honored in the Gulf.


the gulf visit programs and awards would have been set weeks if not months ago, GOI informed, agenda and program shared, maybe even speeches politely vetted and the contours of the visit would have received broad concurrence from both govts after a humongous amount of diplomatic groundwork and preparations

To disturb any of it because of 370/cashmere which caught them unawares, and it would have undone years of diplomatic efforts, gains and consolidations for both countries and badly disrupted and soured relationships nurtured with great difficulty.

grin and bear it and bash on regardless would have been the common mantra.

the fait accompli that was precipitated demanded no other solution except to stay the course and complete the already ordained course.

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 14:17
by MohanMP
chetak wrote:
pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/majorgauravarya/status/1165469890670522368

Modi is also rubbing salt on their wounds by

1. Ignoring them; not responding to their insults and their shrill war talk
2. Going about his merry business as if nothing out of the ordinary has happened.
3. Being invited and honored in the Gulf.


the gulf visit programs and awards would have been set weeks if not months ago, GOI informed, agenda and program shared, maybe even speeches politely vetted and the contours of the visit would have received broad concurrence from both govts after a humongous amount of diplomatic groundwork and preparations

To disturb any of it because of 370/cashmere which caught them unawares, and it would have undone years of diplomatic efforts, gains and consolidations for both countries and badly disrupted and soured relationships nurtured with great difficulty.

grin and bear it and bash on regardless would have been the common mantra.

the fait accompli that was precipitated demanded no other solution except to stay the course and complete the already ordained course.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... atsapp.com
Priyanka Ji showing her pro-democracy and secular nature

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 14:25
by Rsatchi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvTIRSt5OeY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkE0_i4aBms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaJnhlai6Kk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceKKJ0qGQUU
Very interesting to see change in the so called ‘Patriarch’ of the Cashmoore changing tune from arrogance to open challenge to realising Modi.2 is inevitable to just before the much maligned ‘Hyderabadi Goli’ being readied to starting ‘Sopranos’ :D :rotfl:

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 15:36
by V_Raman
I feel that USA is smarting from this as much as pak. I expect to see slowly increasing backlash from them. They are slowly starting the human rights angle. This could have been gamed by India already though.

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 16:01
by A_Gupta
chetak wrote:the gulf visit programs and awards would have been set weeks if not months ago, GOI informed, agenda and program shared, maybe even speeches politely vetted and the contours of the visit would have received broad concurrence from both govts after a humongous amount of diplomatic groundwork and preparations

To disturb any of it because of 370/cashmere which caught them unawares, and it would have undone years of diplomatic efforts, gains and consolidations for both countries and badly disrupted and soured relationships nurtured with great difficulty.

grin and bear it and bash on regardless would have been the common mantra.

the fait accompli that was precipitated demanded no other solution except to stay the course and complete the already ordained course.


Modi/Shah/Doval were perfectly aware what’s upcoming on the diplomatic calendar when they pulled the trigger on 370, so their calculations must have included this. This provides a foil to the “anti-Muslim” screeching by the psec. crowd, and heartburn to Pak.

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 16:29
by Kashi
^^ Those assumtions give an impression that UAE was somehow in a quandary and had to go ahead with the award ceremony for "diplomatic" reasons.

Why not consider the possibility that UAE really did not give a damn about what Bakis and pseudo-liberal crowd are screeching. Their ambassador was one of the first to declare the issue an internal matter. Maybe it was meant to send a message to Bkais and affiliates.

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 16:36
by chetak
A_Gupta wrote:
chetak wrote:the gulf visit programs and awards would have been set weeks if not months ago, GOI informed, agenda and program shared, maybe even speeches politely vetted and the contours of the visit would have received broad concurrence from both govts after a humongous amount of diplomatic groundwork and preparations

To disturb any of it because of 370/cashmere which caught them unawares, and it would have undone years of diplomatic efforts, gains and consolidations for both countries and badly disrupted and soured relationships nurtured with great difficulty.

grin and bear it and bash on regardless would have been the common mantra.

the fait accompli that was precipitated demanded no other solution except to stay the course and complete the already ordained course.


Modi/Shah/Doval were perfectly aware what’s upcoming on the diplomatic calendar when they pulled the trigger on 370, so their calculations must have included this. This provides a foil to the “anti-Muslim” screeching by the psec. crowd, and heartburn to Pak.


I was specifically referring to the options of the other side and the possible reactions of the visited gulf countries to this news that would possibly have come to them out of the blue.

If there was any quandary at all it was well camouflaged, in public at least.

but most of the gulfies are busy demonizing the yemenis/syrians or whoever so with what face would they talk down to India.

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 17:02
by Vips
UAE is not going to care for the Porkis. It sees the positive and all round contribution India/Indians are making to its economy as it shifts away to a non-oil based one. With China importing more and more oil from Russia and with the upcoming Electric vehicle paradigm, India will still offer a huge market for whatever oil exports UAE will make in the future. As for the pakis they follow what an American said: Offer them a few $$ and they would gladly sell their mothers.

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 17:10
by chetak
Vips wrote:UAE is not going to care for the Porkis. It sees the positive and all round contribution India/Indians are making to its economy as it shifts away to a non-oil based one. With China importing more and more oil from Russia and with the upcoming Electric vehicle paradigm, India will still offer a huge market for whatever oil exports UAE will make in the future. As for the pakis they follow what an American said: Offer them a few $$ and they would gladly sell their mothers.


while I agree that the govt of UAE may not bother too much, the more jihadi and paki local populace may trouble the Indians there causing difficulties to them

every time something happens in India, the local jihadi types all over the gelf always react violently and abusively against the mostly helpless working and labor class Indians.

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 17:14
by UlanBatori
Pakistan Nishaan -e-FATF All-Asia Championship Award

Blacklist over non-compliance in Terror Financing. What do do? Islamic version of "Noblesse Oblige": must be charitable towards jehadis.

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 17:37
by mmasand
chetak wrote:
Vips wrote:UAE is not going to care for the Porkis. It sees the positive and all round contribution India/Indians are making to its economy as it shifts away to a non-oil based one. With China importing more and more oil from Russia and with the upcoming Electric vehicle paradigm, India will still offer a huge market for whatever oil exports UAE will make in the future. As for the pakis they follow what an American said: Offer them a few $$ and they would gladly sell their mothers.


while I agree that the govt of UAE may not bother too much, the more jihadi and paki local populace may trouble the Indians there causing difficulties to them

every time something happens in India, the local jihadi types all over the gelf always react violently and abusively against the mostly helpless working and labor class Indians.


Nothing of that sort happens. People on both sides know a deportation order is only a phone call away. Things have been peaceful and most Pakis avoid speaking on the topic in public. The largest chunk of them are Pashtuns who are more concerned with what is going on in their own hinterland.

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 18:01
by pankajs
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7757&start=1080#p2374718
pankajs wrote:There are 4 distinct audience here.

1. The Kashmiris
2. The Bakis
3. The rest of the Indians but especially the Muslims
4. The rest of the world that is following up on Kashmir

Oishole all over the world have been hit and hit hard ... just one exmaple. BTW, there are "sickular" Indian enabler abroad as well as bestern busybodies who would also be counted in this group.

https://twitter.com/omarsuleiman504/sta ... 6216418305
Omar Suleiman @omarsuleiman504 {Muslim for Humanity. Lover of Justice. Bridge Builder. Scholar. Activist. Founder/ President @YaqeenInstitute, Professor @SMU (Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas) Rawdahscheduling@gmail.com}

There has perhaps never been a time in history where it was so painfully obvious that Muslim leaders are the greatest enablers and purveyors of the oppression of Muslim masses worldwide.
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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 18:05
by chetak
mmasand wrote:
chetak wrote:
while I agree that the govt of UAE may not bother too much, the more jihadi and paki local populace may trouble the Indians there causing difficulties to them

every time something happens in India, the local jihadi types all over the gelf always react violently and abusively against the mostly helpless working and labor class Indians.


Nothing of that sort happens. People on both sides know a deportation order is only a phone call away. Things have been peaceful and most Pakis avoid speaking on the topic in public. The largest chunk of them are Pashtuns who are more concerned with what is going on in their own hinterland.


It does happen and if three/four pakis/jehadis bash up some guy returning home who is to identify and who is to complain.

Even the bashed up guy fears deportation so he keeps quiet and goes his way.

I meet a lot many Indians working in the gelf attending training programs here.

whatever sushma swaraj may have done on twitter, in actual fact, the Indian embassy anywhere does sweet buggerall for anyone.

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 18:08
by pankajs
https://twitter.com/Mahdi74311886/statu ... 9465554944
Mahdi @Mahdi74311886

Unfortunately, we will have to accept and acknowledge that @ImranKhanPTI together with the #PakArmy will not come to the assistance of the persecuted people of #Kashmir, let's accept this fact. Looks like the Army made a deal with the #USA

#ShameOnUAE #KashmirIssue
Mahdi @Mahdi74311886

Further it has been learnt that the #PakArmy is not allowing the Mujahideens from the north to enter into #Kashmir to partake in #Jihad and to assist their brothers and sisters from #Indian atrocities and genocide. #ClosePakAirSpaceForIndia #India #Pakistan

I think that this guy is right and the ordinary bakis need to know the truth. :wink:

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 18:11
by UlanBatori
Day 20. Situation NAAAAAAAAAAAAARMAAAl

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 18:17
by ldev
The Gulf Arabs prefer Indians because they keep to themselves, save money and are non political. Other Muslim expatriates after some time in the country will want to tell the Gulfies how to run their countries and are therefore seen as a danger by the monarchs. So the Gulfies are more watchful of the Syrians, Jordanians, Sudanese, Palestinians and even Pakistanis.

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 18:23
by mmasand
chetak wrote:
mmasand wrote:
Nothing of that sort happens. People on both sides know a deportation order is only a phone call away. Things have been peaceful and most Pakis avoid speaking on the topic in public. The largest chunk of them are Pashtuns who are more concerned with what is going on in their own hinterland.


It does happen and if three/four pakis/jehadis bash up some guy returning home who is to identify and who is to complain.

Even the bashed up guy fears deportation so he keeps quiet and goes his way.

I meet a lot many Indians working in the gelf attending training programs here.

whatever sushma swaraj may have done on twitter, in actual fact, the Indian embassy anywhere does sweet buggerall for anyone.


Boss, not the thread for this, but your sources are quite rusty. Nothing of that sort happens over here, the last time around when a demonstration happened in the early 90's post Babri demolition, all the protesters were rounded up and deported within a month. You can't 'bash someone up' and get away with it, there is absolutely no tolerance for any mischief in the expat community.

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 18:35
by UlanBatori
UlanBatori wrote:Day 20. Situation NAAAAAAAAAAAAARMAAAL

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 18:58
by chetak
ldev wrote:The Gulf Arabs prefer Indians because they keep to themselves, save money and are non political. Other Muslim expatriates after some time in the country will want to tell the Gulfies how to run their countries and are therefore seen as a danger by the monarchs. So the Gulfies are more watchful of the Syrians, Jordanians, Sudanese, Palestinians and even Pakistanis.


the palestinians are most troublesome and are unwelcome in most places in the gelf.

we are very familiar with such types here at home, the vocal and entitled variety :mrgreen:

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 19:05
by wig
J&K state flag removed from atop Srinagar’s Civil Secretariat building, replaced with tricolour


https://www.timesnownews.com/india/arti ... our/475733

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 19:15
by chetak
wig wrote:J&K state flag removed from atop Srinagar’s Civil Secretariat building, replaced with tricolour


https://www.timesnownews.com/india/arti ... our/475733


its no use, we are doomed onlee........

paki twitter


After the resounding success of the Dam fund, here's presenting "GhazwaeHind fund"...




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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 19:17
by UlanBatori

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 20:09
by CRamS
My response tweet to Kugelboy who has been on overdrive attacking India post 370. He is also a slimy India TSP equal equal anal-yst. For a sure represents his deep state well. Regular guest on ant-India TV channels like UnDy


Michael Kugelman
@MichaelKugelman
Another impt dispatch from #Kashmir. The images don’t lie. And no, there’s nothing “fake” about the New York Times.


What’s Happening in Kashmir? Our Cameras Contradict India’s Official Story
Indian authorities say life is returning to normal in Kashmir. But thousands of people have been detained, and the military still patrols the streets, firing pellet guns and tear gas to quell...
nytimes.com




Chowkidar CRamS
@csastry12
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Replying to
@MichaelKugelman
Kugelboy, I'll tell you whats fake. Just imagine these Muslims were protesting against America. The same NYT would be focusing on rampant Islamic extremism, and its the white man's burden to bring order. And Islamic extremism and Pak terror is exactly what India confronts


Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 21:20
by Rsatchi
Cain Marko wrote:
Vips wrote:
Zaid Hamid in his frustration crossed the red line and said (6:00 onwards) that the reason Arab sheikhs and the prince are supporting India is because these prince are living a very sinful life and India has compromised them and is blackmailing these Arabs. Seems Lal Topi has forgotten the treatment he got in Saudi Jail. Time now for Saudi/UAE to crack the whip and have this Porki arrested as soon as he travels to any GCC country to complete his prison term and get the lashing's that he was pardoned for.

Lal topi very upset with Arapi 4fathers
Watch him calling for a alliance of :
Turdogan
Imm the Dim &
Mighty Arrow aka Maha theer aka mahathir
All non arapi pissfuls
If that happens they have a fair amount of assets between them
And if Khan sell JSF to Turdogan and we sell Tejas to mighty arrow it might give them more options
Plus if eleven sells either or to all of them floating coffins aka ‘Laoning’ it would be interesting
Turkey sit at mouth of Bosporus and into Mediterranean
Malaysia at the entrance of Malacca
TSP near Hormuz
What do you think
Will Khan allow such alliance or the OIC accept a non Arab led alliance

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 21:38
by pankajs
Rsatchi wrote:Lal topi very upset with Arapi 4fathers
Watch him calling for a alliance of :
Turdogan
Imm the Dim &
Mighty Arrow aka Maha theer aka mahathir
All non arapi pissfuls
If that happens they have a fair amount of assets between them
And if Khan sell JSF to Turdogan and we sell Tejas to mighty arrow it might give them more options
Plus if eleven sells either or to all of them floating coffins aka ‘Laoning’ it would be interesting
Turkey sit at mouth of Bosporus and into Mediterranean
Malaysia at the entrance of Malacca
TSP near Hormuz
What do you think
Will Khan allow such alliance or the OIC accept a non Arab led alliance

Lets start with the basics. Why would turd and arrow align themselves with a failing state?

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 22:00
by Rsatchi
pankajs wrote:
Rsatchi wrote:Lal topi very upset with Arapi 4fathers
Watch him calling for a alliance of :
Turdogan
Imm the Dim &
Mighty Arrow aka Maha theer aka mahathir
All non arapi pissfuls
If that happens they have a fair amount of assets between them
And if Khan sell JSF to Turdogan and we sell Tejas to mighty arrow it might give them more options
Plus if eleven sells either or to all of them floating coffins aka ‘Laoning’ it would be interesting
Turkey sit at mouth of Bosporus and into Mediterranean
Malaysia at the entrance of Malacca
TSP near Hormuz
What do you think
Will Khan allow such alliance or the OIC accept a non Arab led alliance

Lets start with the basics. Why would turd and arrow align themselves with a failing state?

Historically turkey has not forgotten or forgiven the Arabs for loosing Caliphate
Groundswell in TSP slowly turning against Arabs for siding with India
Arrow is chummy with Imm
All three feel slighted by the 4fathers for lack of money power(except arrow to a certain extent) inspite of perceived military superiority: Turks looking at ottoman era and TSP claiming ghori ghazni etc
Arrow playing along as he thinks he can with lizard help gain in regional authority and lord over other pissfuls in the region

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 22:11
by A_Gupta
As of mid-July, the NYT reports "Turkey’s Long, Painful Economic Crisis Grinds On", so the money to sustain TSP is not there. I'm not sure how much money Malaysia has to loan to Pakistan. Pakistan lately seems to have become wary of Chinese money. Without the money to prop up TSP, I'm not sure what any alliance is worth.

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 22:15
by UlanBatori
Turkey is about to suffer massive defeat in Idlib. They thought Uncle Vlad would sit quiet as they revived ISIS in Idlib, but one large convoy is pest-e-sha'eed courtesy of Air Marshal Vodkov, and I think the Syrians are going to roll over the terrorists whom that was going to save. Turdogan threatening vely vely vely vely vel glave consequences, "Blaying with Phyrr" etc. But the fear is showing. Next Turkish Eph-solahs will be shot down by S-400. Remnants of ISIS will return to Ankara. :mrgreen:

See. War or no war, look at the Syrian Assetts! :eek:

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 22:17
by UlanBatori
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