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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Cain Marko » 05 Sep 2019 07:16

Packees being packees... :rotfl:

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/adult-f ... topstories

Would be truly funny except for the fact that they'll use this shit to flare up sentiments and brain wash their aam Abduls


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Postby sudarshan » 05 Sep 2019 08:08

UlanBatori wrote:Used to have a copy of that bassbort abblicashun somewhere. So many good things on Bakistan, so little time. Maybe it can still be downloaded from Baki embassy?


Search on google for "passport form pakistan online pdf" and pick the first link. Or alternatively, just click below:

http://pakconsulatebcn.com/forms/Passport_Form.pdf

You will see this amazing declaration required of all Muslim applicants (the typos are in the original PDF, could be scanning errors):

DECLARATION IN CASE OF MUSLIM APPLICANT

I___________________________S/o, W/o, D/o_____________________________aged__________years, adult Muslim
resident of______________________________________________________Declare:-
(i) I am a Muslim and belive in the absolute and unqualified finality of the prophethood of Muhammad (Peace
be upon Him) as the last of the Prophets.
(ii) I do not recognizw any person who claims to be a prophoet in any sense of the word or of any description
whatsoever after Muhammad (peace be upon Him) or recognize s uch a claimant as a prophet or a religious
reformer as or a Muslim. (iii) I consider Mirza ghulam Ahmad Quadiani to be an imposter Nabi and also consider
his followers whether belonging to the Lahori or Quadiani group to be non-Muslim

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Rajeev » 05 Sep 2019 08:52

Subramanian Swamy's 'get PoK' Formula: Defend Afghanistan, Let US Exit

    BJP leader and RS MP Subramanian Swamy has suggested a geopolitical formula to get PoK back
    To make this happen, India would have to send troops to Afghanistan for fighting the Taliban, which would allow the US to withdraw its troops from there
    He contends that the US would then help India over PoK



https://www.republicworld.com/india-new ... et-us-exit


Even in theory , would this be acceptable to India ???

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby vimal » 05 Sep 2019 09:34

He should perhaps keep his mouth shut on such sensitive matters.

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Postby yensoy » 05 Sep 2019 10:30

vimal wrote:He should perhaps keep his mouth shut on such sensitive matters.


While a lot of what he says has good basis, he does come up with some strange proposals such as this one, and the one to do away with income tax.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Cain Marko » 05 Sep 2019 10:36

vimal wrote:He should perhaps keep his mouth shut on such sensitive matters.

Why?

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby vimal » 05 Sep 2019 10:41

Cain Marko wrote:
vimal wrote:He should perhaps keep his mouth shut on such sensitive matters.

Why?


He was proudly tweeting that he has some "insider" info about an India-US setting on Kashmir. Even if he is somehow privy such info it's best to keep it under wraps and not become a loud dhol drumming up hysteria. No wonder he was not given any portfolio.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Anujan » 05 Sep 2019 10:49

Rajeev wrote:Subramanian Swamy's 'get PoK' Formula: Defend Afghanistan, Let US Exit

    BJP leader and RS MP Subramanian Swamy has suggested a geopolitical formula to get PoK back
    To make this happen, India would have to send troops to Afghanistan for fighting the Taliban, which would allow the US to withdraw its troops from there
    He contends that the US would then help India over PoK



https://www.republicworld.com/india-new ... et-us-exit


Even in theory , would this be acceptable to India ???


We should make diplomatic contacts with the Taliban. Telebunnies hate Pakistan too. They never recognized the Durrand line even when they were in power and have major takleef in Pakis arresting their family and leadership and trying to make puppets out of them. A better idea is to be friends with *every* group in Afghanistan.

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Postby CRamS » 05 Sep 2019 11:18

In diplomacy, everybody who might seem anathema might be useful and it wouldn't hurt cultivating a relationship, but I thought this guy Steve Bannon is a neo Nazi. Whats our ambassador doing sucking up to him just because this Steve dude showed some curiosity with the Bhagwat Gita?

https://twitter.com/HarshShringla/statu ... 1076298752

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Postby pankajs » 05 Sep 2019 11:26

CRamS wrote:In diplomacy, everybody who might seem anathema might be useful and it wouldn't hurt cultivating a relationship, but I thought this guy Steve Bannon is a neo Nazi. Whats our ambassador doing sucking up to him just because this Steve dude showed some curiosity with the Bhagwat Gita?

https://twitter.com/HarshShringla/statu ... 1076298752

Yup .. the tweet is way over the top.

It is one thing to meet Steve and tweet about a friendly meeting but a "Dharma" warrior and reference to Gita? Seriously? EVEN if the meeting was to discuss Gita, which I presume it was not, it should have been worded differently. Sound obsequious.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Deans » 05 Sep 2019 11:44

CRamS wrote:In diplomacy, everybody who might seem anathema might be useful and it wouldn't hurt cultivating a relationship, but I thought this guy Steve Bannon is a neo Nazi. Whats our ambassador doing sucking up to him just because this Steve dude showed some curiosity with the Bhagwat Gita?

https://twitter.com/HarshShringla/statu ... 1076298752


The US far right is probably more supportive of our position, relative to Pakistan. Even on trade, where they have their concerns about India, China is a far bigger concern.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Deans » 05 Sep 2019 11:45

vimal wrote:
Cain Marko wrote:Why?


He was proudly tweeting that he has some "insider" info about an India-US setting on Kashmir. Even if he is somehow privy such info it's best to keep it under wraps and not become a loud dhol drumming up hysteria. No wonder he was not given any portfolio.


Better to have him inside the tent pissing out.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby chetak » 05 Sep 2019 11:49

Deans wrote:
vimal wrote:
He was proudly tweeting that he has some "insider" info about an India-US setting on Kashmir. Even if he is somehow privy such info it's best to keep it under wraps and not become a loud dhol drumming up hysteria. No wonder he was not given any portfolio.


Better to have him inside the tent pissing out.


he pisses everywhere, both in and outside the tent.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Karthik S » 05 Sep 2019 11:51

Rajeev wrote:Subramanian Swamy's 'get PoK' Formula: Defend Afghanistan, Let US Exit

    BJP leader and RS MP Subramanian Swamy has suggested a geopolitical formula to get PoK back
    To make this happen, India would have to send troops to Afghanistan for fighting the Taliban, which would allow the US to withdraw its troops from there
    He contends that the US would then help India over PoK



https://www.republicworld.com/india-new ... et-us-exit


Even in theory , would this be acceptable to India ???


Instead, we can send troops to PoK and reclaim back our territory.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby vishvak » 05 Sep 2019 13:04

The US far right is probably more supportive of our position..

Sooner the better that NRI community finds out how USA is taken for a ride by moterham s in religious garb running away with human rights - simply by adding words like 'xyz-phobia' at end of narrative. Soon there won't be many minorities that will be able to leverage any left/minority privilege while the entire left movement across decades is hijacked by interest group s like cair.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby VikramA » 05 Sep 2019 13:19

Cain Marko wrote:
vimal wrote:He should perhaps keep his mouth shut on such sensitive matters.

Why?


Because he is a sitting member of parliament and should be carefull of making public statements that can be used as propaganda

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby pankajs » 05 Sep 2019 14:02

This is how negative publicity is done by creating a mountain out of modehill. The court should have dismissed the petition while asking for verbal assurance from the GOI's reps.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/supreme ... er-2095934
Supreme Court Allows Mehbooba Mufti's Daughter To Meet Her {She was never blocked but the drama played out in courts will make you believe that she was}
"Will you be standing in the way of this woman meeting her mother," Chief Justice of India Ranjan Gogoi asked the centre's lawyer, Solicitor General Tushar Mehta, who said no.

Iltija Javed told the court that she had not been allowed to meet her mother.

The government said if she approached the district magistrate, she would be allowed to visit Mehbooba Mufti, who has been detained at the Chashme Shahi near Srinagar.

"What stops you from going to Chennai to Srinagar? What is the impediment," the Chief Justice asked Ms Javed.

"They permitted me to go to Chennai but not to move around in Srinagar. I want to meet my mother in private and want to be allowed to move around in Srinagar," she told the court.

When the government said it objected to "the use of this forum", the Chief Justice replied: "It is the privilege of every citizen."

Allowing Ms Javed to meet her mother, the court said as far as moving freely in Srinagar was concerned, it was subject to the permission of the authorities.

End result was the same as the GOI had maintained from the very beginning EXCEPT that now it has been spun as the exact opposite. The Courts too need to be mindful of how such hearings appear from the outside.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby pankajs » 05 Sep 2019 14:08

Similar narrative shaping is sought to be done on twitter.

There is this Mulsim/Kashmiri girl who makes a lot of noise on twitter against BJP/Modi is is also hosted by the likes of Print, etc. She complained that she has been unable to contact her family for the past 30 days. Someone who pointed out that she was free to go vizit her relatives in the valley and that planes were flying, etc was promptly blocked.

The same kind of false narrative was peddled by Urmila Matondar too about not being in contact with her in-laws. Someone again replied that it seems she doesn't care for her in-laws else she would by now have taken the first flight to the Kashmir.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 05 Sep 2019 16:47

Day 31 over. Situation NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARMal. WM has run out of interest. (Yawn). Interesting thing is, the neta-Family-Gangs are still "inside" and their terrorists still in disappeared mode.

So what happens when all areas have restrictions withdrawn and Internet fully restored with Bada Bhaiyya eagerly reading/watching? And the Family Gangs still "inside"?

Kashmir minus terrorists and terrorist-leaders is peaceful

Q.E.D.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby manjgu » 05 Sep 2019 16:55

fixed phone is totally restored ( internet 100% shut) , mobile open in some parts ( jammu, kupwara). some houseboats have received tourists also !! i was having a chat with my houseboat frnd. he said govt could have just shutdown the internet and initially mobile and it would have served the purpose. he was of the opinion that closing fixed line and declarin curfew was un necessary. With such heavy police, security presence everyone is scared to venture out anyway. he said traffic is narmmmmmmal is srinagar ( pvt vehicles only). no public transport...some enterprising car owners are making money as taxis !!

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby A_Gupta » 05 Sep 2019 16:56

Indonesia restores internet access in parts of West Papua
Internet blackout remains in Jayapura and Manokwari as well as Deiyai, where deadly protests were reported last week.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/09/ ... 15981.html

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Postby A_Gupta » 05 Sep 2019 17:25

Sadanand Dhume blocks me on twitter, so I'm not going to read his article - he has one in the Atlantic today.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/09/the-dueling-narratives-of-indias-kashmir-crackdown/597457/
The Dueling Narratives of India’s Kashmir Crackdown
New Delhi’s actions have been welcomed domestically, but Narendra Modi’s government will have a hard time selling its message abroad.

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Postby pankajs » 05 Sep 2019 18:28

The SC allowed itself to me made a turf for activism.

https://twitter.com/Mohansinha/status/1 ... 0946193408
Mohan Sinha @Mohansinha

SC tells Yechury to stop activism. "We let you go and meet your friend in Srinagar. Not make political commentary."

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Postby Vips » 05 Sep 2019 18:36

Pak leaders try to hijack UK's Kashmir stir, attacked.

Weeks after Pakistan PM Imran Khan's closest aide Zulfi Bukhari arrived here to address the Independence Day protests over Kashmir, four Pakistani politicians flew in on Tuesday to further add fuel to the anti-India campaign, only to have eggs and shoes thrown at them by Kashmiri protestors unwilling to allow them to hijack their platform.

About 10,000 Kashmiris, British Pakistanis and pro-Khalistan Sikhs marched from Parliament Square to the Indian High Commission as part of
"Kashmir Freedom March" organised by the JKLF in the UK, whose chairman is Yasin Malik.

The Jammu Kashmir National Awami Party, UK, and the Jammu Kashmir National Students' Federation also participated in the march. But the protesters were clearly unhappy with the presence of Pakistani politicians, not only preventing them from giving speeches but also hurling objects at them.

PM Imran Khan had sent barrister Sultan Mahmood Chaudhry, "president" of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf in PoK, to read out a message to the Kashmiri crowd, a British Pakistani protester told TOI.

"Barrister Sultan came with 35 to 40 bodyguards, but he was attacked with eggs and had shoes thrown at him. He was hit with a flag pole and was rushed out of the area. :lol: The nationalist Kashmiri groups were very agitated at the way the Pakistan high commission was trying to control these events against India. The groups decided in advance that there should be no political slogans or speeches, and no Pakistan flags," the protester said.

The other three Pakistani politicians in the group deputed by Imran were PoK "leader of the opposition" Ch M Yasin, "Prime Minister" Raja Farooq Haider and "speaker" Shah Ghulam Qadir. They all turned up at Parliament Square, where a PoK flag was placed on Gandhi's statue.

"Yasin had a shoe thrown at him by one of the Kashmiri protesters, but it missed him. He was not allowed to speak and address the crowd," the protester said. "Qadir had the mike taken out of his hands, and there was a tussle between Raja Farooq Haider and Kashmiri activists. He had wanted to lead the march, and when he was told off, he melted into the crowd. They marched to the Indian high commission. But the nationalists trashed the stage and broke the mikes. Then they started to throw eggs at the mission building.

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Postby pankajs » 05 Sep 2019 19:07

ye kya ho raaha hai!

https://twitter.com/utkarsh_aanand/stat ... 4549280768
Utkarsh Anand @utkarsh_aanand

On a petition by #Kashmir Times Executive Editor Anuradha Bhasin against media restrictions in the valley, #SupremeCourt declines to pass any order and put it for further consideration on Sep 16.
:rotfl:
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Postby Rsatchi » 05 Sep 2019 19:34

https://youtu.be/p3nSleebSBI
Hajam Sethi promoting Jihad in Cash-moor and hinting at ?special activities in rest of India.
Explaining how autocratic/Sauvé/intelligent Bhutto was
My question to seniors:
1. Who were the interlocutors from Indian side for Shimla Agreement
(Re Near consensus by Indian Policy-makers not to pull a 'Versailles' on the TSP, not forcing for conversion to international border and introducing a silly term 'LOC' and hoping to delink from UN resolution) :shock:
Probably ZA went along with this charade as he very well knew he was going to say 'Thenga' after going back to TSP
2. Who were the interlocutors for Vajpayee-Musharaff agreement to make borders irrelevant
I mean twice (after a span of 25-30 years) repeating same stupidity :eek:
If you listen in to Hajam in the interview he seems to allude to the fact that the Napaks were going to pull the wool again and kind of drag on the issue for 50 odd years and push in infiltrators (now officially what with the KM/Indian Muslim fetish to marrying the girls or boys from the other side) and once the populations percentages reach 70% 'all pious one' then declare for Napaks :roll:
Did our interlocutors suffer from something similar to 'Helsinki Syndrome' !!!
I wish there was something like BRF in those days ( I mean I don't know they would have all been arrested and put in jail for sedition by the Congis :lol: )
Why do we suffer from 'Want more double crossing syndrome' especially when it comes to the neighbour. :evil:
Did not that idiot Sidhu once say that he feels more at home in Napak than in Chennai, as we southis, dress differently and eat different food than the Punjabis. :twisted:
Also ( without upsetting any North Indian Chai drinking folks) next we need some serious negotiations with Napaks can we exclude folks (who feel closer to Napaks!!! than southis) from the interlocutor group(Just Kidding :D :lol: )

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby pankajs » 05 Sep 2019 19:37

Dost dosta na raaha ...

https://twitter.com/meghdootindia/statu ... 5403756547
MEGHDOOT @meghdootindia

In a tight slap to BaXistan ,the Big brothers refused to interfere in #Kashmir .
UAE, Saudi told Pakistani leaders that Kashmir is not a 'Muslim Ummah' issue .....
#PKMKB Big time
How will @ImranKhanPTI and @SMQureshiPTI face Pakis

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Postby Kashi » 05 Sep 2019 19:39

Rsatchi wrote:Also ( without upsetting any North Indian Chai drinking folks) next we need some serious negotiations with Napaks can we exclude folks (who feel closer to Napaks!!! than southis) from the interlocutor group(Just Kidding :D :lol: )


Just watch out for Mani Shankar Aiyyar :wink:

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Rsatchi » 05 Sep 2019 19:54

Kashi wrote:
Rsatchi wrote:Also ( without upsetting any North Indian Chai drinking folks) next we need some serious negotiations with Napaks can we exclude folks (who feel closer to Napaks!!! than southis) from the interlocutor group(Just Kidding :D :lol: )


Just watch out for Mani Shankar Aiyyar :wink:

Kashiji,
Him and Swahmey are like proverbial 'Dhobi ka K-------, Na Ghar ka Na Ghat ka. :lol:

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby sanjaykumar » 05 Sep 2019 20:18

North Indians should not be the interface with Pakistan. The policy should be “talk to the Madrasi”. Half the problem is the so called cultural affinity. Total garbage.

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Postby Rsatchi » 05 Sep 2019 20:33

sanjaykumar wrote:North Indians should not be the interface with Pakistan. The policy should be “talk to the Madrasi”. Half the problem is the so called cultural affinity. Total garbage.

SanjayJi
One could argue that unlike the northern part of India, peninsular India comparatively had 'Dharmic people' ruling for extended period of time hence so-called cultural affinity is less do you think?? :)

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby ramana » 05 Sep 2019 20:37

vimal wrote:He should perhaps keep his mouth shut on such sensitive matters.


This moron is doing his best to damage GOI negotiating position.
And has an army of useful idiots who think he is the greatest.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby sanjaykumar » 05 Sep 2019 20:37

A common language which expresses nuance is a powerful bridge in international relations. I would like to see a Tamil interpreter in attendance at India Pakistan parlays. Why use even English?

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Postby SBajwa » 05 Sep 2019 20:50

Only way forward for India is to have heavy armed forces (Army, Air forces everywhere in Afghanistan and Navy at Chahbahar) in Aghanistan !!! That will fix once and for all in Bhartiya Jambudweep aka Indian Subcontinent!!!

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J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Peregrine » 05 Sep 2019 21:02

X Posted on the Terroristan Thread

UAE had told Pakistan IHK not Muslim Ummah issue
ISLAMABAD: UAE Minister for Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation Sheikh Abdullah Bin Zayed Bin Sultan Al Nahyan had said that Pakistan and India should not make the Indian Held Kashmir (IHK) an issue of the Muslim Ummah as it was a dispute between the two countries.
Geo News anchorperson of ‘Capital Talk’ on Wednesday said that some officials of the federal government informed that UAE minister for foreign affairs is visiting Pakistan apparently to express solidarity with Pakistan on the IHK issue but his interaction with Pakistani leadership previously suggested that he had conveyed that Kashmir issue should not be made an issue of the Muslim Ummah rather, according to him, it is a bilateral issue and should be resolved through talks between Pakistan and India.
Hamid Mir said that Pakistan leadership must convey to the world in general and the Muslim countries in particular that Nerendra Modi’s atrocities are not limited to the IHK only rather he wants to unleash reign of terror across India to forcibly convert the Muslims into Hindus. In this context, Kashmir issue is not a dispute between India and Pakistan but it is an issue of the whole Muslim world.
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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Cain Marko » 05 Sep 2019 21:05

ramana wrote:
vimal wrote:He should perhaps keep his mouth shut on such sensitive matters.


This moron is doing his best to damage GOI negotiating position.
And has an army of useful idiots who think he is the greatest.

Moron or not, the man has singlehandedly done more damage to corruption and bif than most. Not to mention most of his economic predictions are coming true. He is eminently qualified for the finmin position but is curiously overlooked and people with a fraction of his abilities chosen.
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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby chetak » 05 Sep 2019 21:06

Kashi wrote:
Rsatchi wrote:Also ( without upsetting any North Indian Chai drinking folks) next we need some serious negotiations with Napaks can we exclude folks (who feel closer to Napaks!!! than southis) from the interlocutor group(Just Kidding :D :lol: )


Just watch out for Mani Shankar Aiyyar :wink:


this creep is actually paki born.

They must have circumcised his brain.

per wiki

Born 10 April 1941 (age 78)
Lahore, Punjab, British India
(now Punjab, Pakistan)

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Cain Marko » 05 Sep 2019 21:09

SBajwa wrote:Only way forward for India is to have heavy armed forces (Army, Air forces everywhere in Afghanistan and Navy at Chahbahar) in Aghanistan !!! That will fix once and for all in Bhartiya Jambudweep aka Indian Subcontinent!!!

Increasingly one feels that this is the way. Seems a safer bet than taking a defensive posture and fighting the war closer to home.


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