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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 30 Oct 2019 02:00

Is shri somdev more unhappy about the fact that nothing was done to return KPs to CashMore, or that something IS finally being done to return KPs to Jammu, Ladakh and Kashmir Valley I wonder. But either way, irrelevant. The news:

16:26 PM IST
Posted by Arshi Aggarwal
EU MPs meet Sarpanches
The EU delegation is meeting with a delegation of Sarpanches or Local Body heads.

16:23 PM IST
Posted by Arshi Aggarwal
Meanwhile, PDP delegation denied permission to visit Srinagar
A PDP delegation from Jammu has been denied permission to visit the valley even as the EU delegation is being taken for a trip to Srinagar. The PDP has accused the BJP of trying to internationalize the Kashmir issue by not letting the local party leaders visit the valley while allowing the 'foreigners'.

"Sons of nightsoil not being allowed to visit the valley even as Modi government has facilitated the visit to EU delegation," the PDP claimed. "Why deny us permission?" the party asked.

er.. the fragrance maybe?

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Postby UlanBatori » 30 Oct 2019 02:04

6:57 PM IST
Posted by Arshi Aggarwal
EU delegation briefed about Pak-backed terror
According to army sources, the EU delegation was briefed by the army about Pakistan's role in fueling terror in Kashmir. The briefing was held at 15 Corps Headquarters in Srinagar today.
In the meeting with European Union MPs, security forces including army briefed them about the role of Pakistan in fuelling terrorism in the Kashmir Valley and the role of the Pakistani army in pushing terrorists into India.
In a similar briefing in New Delhi, defence attaches from various countries were briefed by the security forces about the Pak-sponsored terror in Kashmir region since the abrogation of Article 2370.

If it works in Anchar, it can work in Brighton..

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Postby UlanBatori » 30 Oct 2019 02:06

Regarding this "Far Right" designation, could it be that these people are the BJP of EU Parliament, vs. the ruling Kangrej? Who is Pappu de Oirope?

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Postby Rsatchi » 30 Oct 2019 02:08

KLNMurthy wrote:
somdev wrote:
Ask your family members/elders/parents/grand parents why they have been voting for Congress for large part of last 70 years (there was no credible opposition/alternative for Congress then ... why?). BJP is a recent phenomenon (80s). Take ownership of collective failure ... KPs have been suffering for last 70 years ... so who let them down?


Gentle suggestion: If you want, you can ask your family members & ancestors anything you want, but please do it in private. It's borderline abuse to bring family members into a debate the way you have done.

Less gentle suggestion: Watch your mouth!

@Mods, are you going to let this slide?

Bhai log
'Choti muh Badi baat' This is a la legend of 'Prithviraj and Jaichand'
instead of collectively finding ways of healing we are indulging in reopening of old wounds in this 'tu-tu mai-maih'
70 yrs ago everyone was a congresswallah so to speak unless a revolutionary or a commie.
What my grand-dad did or why he did it, unless I go 'Parlok' and have a Shastrarth with him I cant honestly answer that question :lol:
Lets take collective ownership of the present and let the 'sleeping Vibhishan' sleep please and don't raise him.!!! :D

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Postby UlanBatori » 30 Oct 2019 02:09

And UBCN's sincere THANKS! to Dimran&Co:

17:13 PM IST
Posted by Arshi Aggarwal
Countries backing India over Kashmir will be hit by mijjiles, Pak minister sparks controversy
A Pakistani minister has sparked controversy by claiming that any country which will not stand with Pakistan over Kashmir will be taken as our enemy and our mijjiles will hit them also, if in a state of war.
Pakistan Federal Minister for Kashmir Affairs and Gilgit Baltistan Ali Amin Gandapur recently claimed that the world was silent over Kashmir dispute and that ongoing tensions between India and Pakistan may result in an all-out war between the two arch-rivals.
If the tensions with India escalate on the issue of Kashmir, Pakistan will be forced into war and those standing with India on the Kashmir issue would have to face the consequences, he said.
Any country that would support India on Kashmir will be taken as the enemy of Pakistan. And mijjiles will be phyrred at that country also, he said during an interview at a local television.
The statement by the Pak minister comes at a time when a delegation of European members of Parliament are currently visiting Jammu and Kashmir to take stock of the situation.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby nachiket » 30 Oct 2019 02:15

UlanBatori wrote:Regarding this "Far Right" designation, could it be that these people are the BJP of EU Parliament, vs. the ruling Kangrej? Who is Pappu de Oirope?

"Far right" is the standard MSM moniker applied to anyone whose opinions need to be immediately discredited regardless of what they actually are. It is however applied to different people and parts of the political spectrum depending on which part of the world they are from.

In India, anyone who is not from the Congress, Communist, Casteist or Minority parties is a Far right Hindoo nationalist (refer every single NYT/WaPo reference to Modi).

In Europe, it is anyone who wants to put a check on refugees and immigrants from the war-torn middle-east and North Africa because they are scared of terrorism.

Only in the US is it applied to the actual neonazi loonies while the Christian fundamentalists get a free pass of course since they are part of the mainstream.

There is of course no far right in Muslim countries (except Iran).

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Postby UlanBatori » 30 Oct 2019 02:17

And they ended the trip floating down the Dal Lake until they dissolved, getting to know the pakistan pollution first-hand.
18:24 PM IST
Posted by Arshi Aggarwal
EU delegation enjoying Shikara ride on Dal Lake
The delegation of European Union (EU) MPs visited Dal lake in Srinagar today.

That's only 14, though they seem to be grinning happily. Were the rest indulging in haraam activities related to Johny Walker, hain?

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Postby UlanBatori » 30 Oct 2019 02:21

Ya All*h! Look at the Lt. Gen.!
Stands head and shoulders above the TFTA oiropeans, and what a nice friendly sdre face.
You want to be coming over the Yellow Sea and see THAT? :eek:

BTW, at least 2, maybe 3+ members are not exactly TFTA White Supremacists. These are the "Far-Right"?

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Primus » 30 Oct 2019 02:31

somdev wrote:................

Ask your family members/elders/parents/grand parents why they have been voting for Congress for large part of last 70 years (there was no credible opposition/alternative for Congress then ... why?). BJP is a recent phenomenon (80s). Take ownership of collective failure ... KPs have been suffering for last 70 years ... so who let them down?


Interesting.

Somdev Ji, I left Desh a long time ago and the history we were taught in my time was best forgotten. Like so many of my contemporaries, I too was brainwashed at the time, but living in England for several years opened my eyes, especially when I saw the loot everywhere, most of it from India. And to top it all, the attitude.

So on my frequent trips back to Desh I made it a point to pick up books on our own history, not from the usual Commie writers, but from the Brits themselves, how they felt as they lorded it over my ancestors. I read as much as I could get, those were the pre-internet days and I had to do the rounds of Galgotia and Sons, Bookworm and similar places to find the books on the 'Days of The Raj' that I was interested in reading.

My quest was to find the answer to this very question you are asking - who let us down? How did a pissant country of a few million manage to rule over a huge and powerful nation like India? Were my great-grandparents and their parents complicit somehow, where they cowards to let this happen?

In the end this led me down other avenues, including the Islamic conquest of India, which is yet another tragic tale. Suffice it to say, in almost every era, there have been our own collaborators, quislings, Mir Jafars and Jaichands. As the old saying goes, the axe can never cut down the mighty oak until it acquires a wooden handle. So it was with the history of India.

And so it has been with the history of Kashmir. Our own government, our own politicians have let us down. I dare say that were it not for the antics of the Congress and its progeny, starting with the Rose Man himself, India and Kashmir would have had a different trajectory.

And FWIW, my family never voted Congress, it was always Jan Sangh. I, however, used to vote Congress, but then did I say I too was brain-washed?

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 30 Oct 2019 02:34

So I looked up who these Far-Righters are: Took quite a lot of searching.

The delegation comprised:

Poland's Joana Kopcinska, Grzegorz Tobiszowski, Ryszard Czarnecki, Kosma Zlotowski, Bogdan Rzonca and Elzbieta Rafalska
Italy's Silvia Sardone, Gianna Gancia, Fulvio Martusciello and Guiseppe Ferrandino
France's France Jamet, Nicholas Bay, Virginie Joron, Julie Lechanteux, Maxette Pirbakas and Thierry Mariani
Germany's Bernhard Zimniok and Lars Patrick Berg
Spain's Hermann Tertsch
Belgium's Tom Vandendriessche
UK's David Richard Bull, Bill Newton Dunn, Alexandra Phillips, James Wells and Nathan Gill
Czech Republic's Tomas Zdechobsky
Slovakia's Peter Pollak

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Postby UlanBatori » 30 Oct 2019 02:36

And why Mehbooba Muftiji is against them:

Slamming the government for engaging in attempts to convince the international community about normalcy in Kashmir, Mehbooba Mufti said incessant foreign policy gaffes are being made. "From endorsing a Republican as US President :eek: to engaging with what seem like pro fascist, right-leaning and anti-immigrant EU MPs. Royal mess," she tweeted.

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Postby Primus » 30 Oct 2019 03:02

UlanBatori wrote:
6:57 PM IST
Posted by Arshi Aggarwal
EU delegation briefed about Pak-backed terror
According to army sources, the EU delegation was briefed by the army about Pakistan's role in fueling terror in Kashmir. The briefing was held at 15 Corps Headquarters in Srinagar today.
In the meeting with European Union MPs, security forces including army briefed them about the role of Pakistan in fuelling terrorism in the Kashmir Valley and the role of the Pakistani army in pushing terrorists into India.
In a similar briefing in New Delhi, defence attaches from various countries were briefed by the security forces about the Pak-sponsored terror in Kashmir region since the abrogation of Article 2370.

If it works in Anchar, it can work in Brighton..


IIRC, this has never happened before, GOI - especially the army top brass briefing a 'foreign delegation', however informal it may be, that too in a war zone. This is a true game-changer and it is thus no surprise that the Congis have gotten their chaddis in a twist, they know this is another 'surgical strike' not only on the Pakis but also on their political future. Same for the PDP and other Islam pasand parties.

I doubt anybody who sees the evidence presented to them in person by an Army General can ignore it or not be impressed by it. No matter what, these people will take away images of the same $hit happening in their own backyard.

IMHO this is a master stroke by MAD.

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Postby UlanBatori » 30 Oct 2019 03:10

I had not seen this b4:
Apparently circa Oct. 20, SatyaPal Malikji flat declared that unless Pakistan "stops" the terrorist camps,
We will go deep inside and destroy them

That's pretty much a declaration that India will enter POK.

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Postby UlanBatori » 30 Oct 2019 03:46

Murder of 5 working men from West Bengal: From The Hindu

Another labourer was critically injured; all victims hail from Murshidabad district of West Bengal.

Coinciding with the visit of 23 Members of European Parliament to Kashmir, suspected militants abducted and shot dead five non-local labourers and injured another in South Kashmir’s Kulgam on October 29 evening, just 24 hour after a non-local truck driver was killed in Anantnag.
The incident took place around 7.30 p.m. in Kulgam's Katrussu area, just 4 km away from the town headquarters. “Five labourers putting up in Katrussu area have been found shot dead. One injured has been shifted to a Srinagar hospital. The circumstances in which they were killed is being ascertained,” Deputy Commissioner, Kulgam, Showkat Ajaz, told The Hindu.
Police sources said a group of heavily armed gunmen barged into the rented accommodation of these labourers and directed them to accompany them. “They were later shot dead in a nearby area,” said a police officer.
The injured, Zahoor-ud-Din, is battling for his life in a Srinagar hospital. “He has bullet injuries in the lower limbs and in the arms,” according to the hospital officials.
The police have identified the victims as Kamru-ud-Din, Mursleen Sheikh, Rafiq ul Sheikh, Rafiq Sheikh and Sadiq-ul-Sheikh and Nayeem-ud-Din Sheikh, all residents of West Bengal.

The attack came on a day when a 23-member MEP team arrived in Srinagar to assess the ground situation and met several local delegations.
A total of eleven non-locals, including drivers and traders, have been killed in Kashmir in six such attacks since the Centre’s August 5 decision on J&K's special status.
On October 28, a truck driver was killed near Kanalwan Fruit Mandi in Bijbehara area. “One of the three suspected militants was also hit by a bullet fired by his companions. His body was found from Gadseergam on Tuesday (October 29) morning,” police said. :?: :?:
A mask and a Pheran, traditional long woolen robe worn during winters in the Valley, was also recovered from the spot. “The dead body of the suspected militant was sent for a medico-legal formalities. A manhunt is on to arrest the others,” said the police.


P.S. I want to get myself a Pheran to wear in Malloostan like the Mollywood herrows. How does one get this?

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Postby UlanBatori » 30 Oct 2019 03:52

BTW, is this attack the reason why the EU RightWingers' trip to Kupwara was cancelled? Is Kulgam in Kupwara? I am 404 about J-K-L geography.

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Postby Avtar Singh » 30 Oct 2019 04:14

India should tell these eu commies/fake liberals..;. soon to be islamic to get lost,
really India should use stronger language and tell them to;
#### ##### ### ……...as the british would say

this is the language these people understand


but progress is being made.. PM Modi wants to appear as an international statesman
and not a thug like me; I am not actually a thug!

Streets ahead of that picture somewhere on these pages..
of so called PM ManMoron Spineless Singh bent double trying to kiss Ob#mas tushy


Any business of the Indian sub continent is in the hands of whoever can bring the most
power to bear with the shortest logistics chain… guess who that is.

Everyone else, as the americans would say, should be told to pound sand.

Von der leyen when she was in charge of german defence had german soldiers
running around with broom sticks

Especially those loathsome and vile british mps/meps they should be denied visas,
unless they can behave and show respect… In the meantime they can carry on licking
pakistani you know what

But India will get there as younger generations come up, even the current lot probably
cr#p themselves when they see a “gora”

when these people talk about “muslim” kashmir
ask them when will there be a;
muslim…… berlin, munich, paris, lyon, marseille…..
bradford/luton/ muslim yorkshire.
Well you get the drift…
Indian diplomats using these retorts will be heard by their own people….
It will keep them busy at home, they will have no time to come on these jaunts

They should keep their noses out stay at home and sort there declining countries out..
Also it encourages the FLICs (Fake Liberal Islamist Communists) in India to start their barking

Stupid sweden is already “muslim” sweden


Serves them all right… they are getting what they deserve having dished it out to India for decades

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Vayutuvan » 30 Oct 2019 05:49

Primus wrote: ... My quest was to find the answer to this very question you are asking - who let us down? How did a pissant country of a few million manage to rule over a huge and powerful nation like India? Were my great-grandparents and their parents complicit somehow, where they cowards to let this happen? ...


Good post. By the way, I had no doubts like that since my uncle was a freedom fighter who was jailed along with Maulana Azad. He never entered politics following MKG's wish to disband INC and all the freedom fighters start working on social upliftment. He died a happy and contented man who was an idol for many. His peers who entered politics rose very high, one rising to the highest post of India.

So no, none of our family members were cowardly.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 30 Oct 2019 06:22

Primus wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:If it works in Anchar, it can work in Brighton..


IIRC, this has never happened before, GOI - especially the army top brass briefing a 'foreign delegation', however informal it may be, that too in a war zone. This is a true game-changer and it is thus no surprise that the Congis have gotten their chaddis in a twist, they know this is another 'surgical strike' not only on the Pakis but also on their political future. Same for the PDP and other Islam pasand parties.

I doubt anybody who sees the evidence presented to them in person by an Army General can ignore it or not be impressed by it. No matter what, these people will take away images of the same $hit happening in their own backyard.

IMHO this is a master stroke by MAD.

I see one more aspect to it, there is a global resurgence of right or the so called far right. This can be and should be viewed as an investment in our future. Most of the european countries will have a backlash against the refugee war unleashed on them by turkey and germany (let's hope so).
CT Alert, it could be a precursor to build a global narrative against pakis so that when pok and gb are settled these leaders can support us and in return can claim support from Indian diaspora.

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Postby UlanBatori » 30 Oct 2019 06:32

The resurgence is of Nationalism and Native Culture, as a backlash to the invasion by alien cultures and foreign-dominated "MNC" ripoffs. In this respect there is common cause. So-called 'liberalism' is a brave notion, but it has no defence when faced with the equivalent of the alien invaders pictured in "Independence Day".

(Liberal flunky concept of) POTUS: We want peace with your civilization. Tell me, what do you want us to do?

DIE!!

Rational, logical, "fair" discussion etc do not have any future when faced with this. This is what we, and other so-called "nationalists" have become convinced of. While we may not be ready yet to go "survivalist" with combat fatigues and bunkers and AR-15/ AK-47s, that scenario is precisely what we would like to avoid. Also, avoid what happened to the Yazidis of Iraq.
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Postby yensoy » 30 Oct 2019 06:33

UlanBatori wrote:So I looked up who these Far-Righters are: Took quite a lot of searching.

The delegation comprised:

Poland's Joana Kopcinska, Grzegorz Tobiszowski, Ryszard Czarnecki, Kosma Zlotowski, Bogdan Rzonca and Elzbieta Rafalska
Italy's Silvia Sardone, Gianna Gancia, Fulvio Martusciello and Guiseppe Ferrandino
France's France Jamet, Nicholas Bay, Virginie Joron, Julie Lechanteux, Maxette Pirbakas and Thierry Mariani
Germany's Bernhard Zimniok and Lars Patrick Berg
Spain's Hermann Tertsch
Belgium's Tom Vandendriessche
UK's David Richard Bull, Bill Newton Dunn, Alexandra Phillips, James Wells and Nathan Gill
Czech Republic's Tomas Zdechobsky
Slovakia's Peter Pollak


All this rona-dhona about how this is not an "official visit"... bullshit... They are sitting MEPs and that's what matters. "far right" who cares? A vote is a vote is a vote; an MEP is an MEP is an MEP. If the "far right" are more sympathetic towards us, good for us! Let's soften them up first, and then soften up the centrists.
Did the various Paki sponsored outfits ensure that they had a good representation of minorities (or hell, even women) in their various protests?

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Postby UlanBatori » 30 Oct 2019 06:35

(or hell, even women)

They did have a few: Along the lines of
Bubble, bubble toil and trouble
When shall we three meet again
In London, UN or in Spain?

Come October 31, Air Traffic Control is going to be really busy.

I am holding my breath to see what these presumed-fascisti will say once out of India. Like I said above, this is the first time that MAD are really showing the finger in public.

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Postby UlanBatori » 30 Oct 2019 08:10

Mantri Jitendraji lays it out: Internet Ban Saved Lives.

Union Minister Jitendra Singh on Tuesday said that the suspension of internet services in Jammu and Kashmir has helped in averting some major terror incidents in the last two months.
..those who are opposing the curb on the internet either have a vested interest in the continuance of militancy in Jammu and Kashmir or they want to play politics at the cost of India's sovereignty and common man's safety.

Speaking at separate meetings of the District Development Coordination and Monitoring Committee, known as 'Disha', in Doda and Kishtwar districts, Jitendra Singh said that the elimination of several terrorists in Kishtwar was possible because of the suspension of the internet.
The suspension has also helped in flushing out terrorists operating in Kishtwar and other parts of the Chenab region, Jitendra Singh said.
... certain political activists in the Kashmir valley have been continuously raising a hue and cry over the suspension of internet because they are the "beneficiaries of terrorism" and their politics has, over the last three decades, "survived due to dismal voter turn-out under the fear of militancy".
"But more pathetic is the case of the fringe elements in Jammu region who have fallen in the trap of this pro-terror jargon and are trying to denounce the suspension of internet," Jitendra Singh said.
... said that these political activists are devoid of issues and are therefore desperate to make an issue even if it is at the cost of common man's life.
... said that some of these fringe leaders, who otherwise proclaim themselves to be nationalists or patriots or self-styled guardians of Jammu, are actually issuing thoughtless statements which are music for Pakistan and also an endorsement as well as support for those who have been executing terror attacks in Jammu region.
... pointed out to the recent nabbing of the terrorists who were travelling from Lakhanpur towards Jammu and said that they could be intercepted due to the ban on the internet.
Similarly, Jitendra Singh said, the other day, some terrorists being chased out of Kishtwar by security forces, barged into the house of a local citizen in Batote but were liquidated because they were devoid of the internet connection to be guided by their cohorts.
At the same time, Jitendra Singh said that a number of infiltration bids from the border could be foiled because a stray infiltrator, who did manage to cross over to this side could not be helped by his associates to carry out further movement as had been the practice earlier by using internet, Whatsapp and similar means.
.. said that some critics tend to look at the restrictions "through the prism of abrogated Article 370".
... called upon the "learned" journalists to do a thorough scanning of past 30 years of militancy and find out on how many occasions the internet was suspended.
At times, it was suspended for an equal or even longer period, when Article 370 was very much in place, Jitendra Singh said and asked media to draw comparisons between the pace of development activity during those periods of internet suspensions and the present period.

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Postby Cain Marko » 30 Oct 2019 08:40

Vips wrote:She has been lording over Lutyens for a long time and has done much to be afraid of (Radia Tapes). She has seen how Modi/Shah/Doval can act and has propmptly put on the diaper.

Wasnt she a guest columnist for nyt or time? Maybe she can put some of that outrage to use?

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Postby Vayutuvan » 30 Oct 2019 09:22

WaPo

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Postby Deans » 30 Oct 2019 10:03

UlanBatori wrote:And why Mehbooba Muftiji is against them:

Slamming the government for engaging in attempts to convince the international community about normalcy in Kashmir, Mehbooba Mufti said incessant foreign policy gaffes are being made. "From endorsing a Republican as US President :eek: to engaging with what seem like pro fascist, right-leaning and anti-immigrant EU MPs. Royal mess," she tweeted.


Just had a discussion with my NRI relatives (the type who start sentences with `you people should...') on why foreign MP's can't be allowed unfettered access to Kashmir and why our MPs are not permitted. Some points, which I feel may be relevant to the forum:

1. Specific Intel inputs of Pak pressurising terrorists to disrupt normalcy, by targetting economic activity (apples, shops) or outsiders (5 workers
killed yesterday). Risk has increased significantly, in the current period, with restrictions eased and before winter sets in. There would be a very
high probability of a western politician being targeted if he wanders of on his own.
US senators are not permitted (local military commander is the final authority) to wander around the Sunni triangle in Iraq, or recently liberated
ISIS areas of Syria on their own.

2. Visits lead to bandhs, more violence etc as terrorist groups try to Internationalise Kashmir. Better to have fewer visits.

3. All countries have their military attaches/ journalists free to visit and brief their MPs in more detail

4. In the 10 years that UPA was in power or the 5 years of NDA-1, when RaGa was the Cong PV & shadow PM, he never visited the valley once.
Neither, to the best of my knowledge, did MMS (though he did entertain a separatist leader who boasted about killing our military personnel,
while never attending the funeral of any of our security forces KIA). No moral authority to now say he or the Cong leadership needs to visit.

5 All national political parties have their elected reps in the valley to inform them of the ground situation. If not, the Kashmir based parties tweet
about it daily. Various left organisations have visited the valley after 5 Aug.

Points 1 & 2 also apply to local politicians wanting to visit.

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Postby Philip » 30 Oct 2019 11:04

I have said ad nauseum that it is impossible for Pak to behave like a responsible, cuvilised nation when it comes to Kashmir.It is incorrigible in its policy of unleashing terror in the state with the ultimate aim of annexing it any which way.

So what must our policy be? Only inflicting upon Pak unbearable pain upon its military and the unfinished task of its destruction, dismemberment and downfall of Jinnah's nightmare , will India be at peace on the issue.

Terrorism in Kashmir is only the symptom of the incurable disease that is Pakistan! Can't our precious politican and babu buffoons get it into their skulls of this truth? Plus the fact that China pulls the strings of Pak to keep India off balance.A two'front policy is required by India.One, dismembering Pak by sustained pro- active support for Baluchis, Mohajirs, frontier tribals, etc. on the one hand and on the other a sustained campaign of military interaction with China's enemies in ASEAN like Vietnam, the Phillippines, Indonesia and engaging with Taiwan and the Tibetan diaspora to ultimately recognise Taiwan diplomatically and declare the Chinese occupation of Tibet illegal and recognise Tibet as independent and an Indian protectorate. Do our babus have the stomach for it though? Grave doubts.All that the MEA offers is placebos and soporifics...without any substance, merely style.

PS: This also demands a concerted military build up to replacd antiquated equipment, modernise and upgrade equipment that will still serve for a decade plus and increasing capability both in numbers and advanced capability introducing new force multipliers like UUVs, UCAVs, leveraging our assets in space to improve real-time seamlessness in responding to crises giving us the advantage of acting before our enemies. It will require a much greater defence budget, at least 3%+ the minimum,
to be able to close existing gaps and weaknesses in our current capability and expedite future acquisitions.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby nam » 30 Oct 2019 14:22

So as expected, the Euro MEP, have mentioned how they are not happy with our joker media painting them as "far right".

More importantly, it took a gora to come up with a punchline which none of us thought about.

He said "Kashmir should not be allowed to become another Afghanistan".

This should be our response for any comment about Kashmir. Pak is making all efforts to convert it to another Afghanistan. India will resist it with all it's might.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby rohitvats » 30 Oct 2019 14:25

UlanBatori wrote:Ya All*h! Look at the Lt. Gen.!
Stands head and shoulders above the TFTA oiropeans, and what a nice friendly sdre face.
You want to be coming over the Yellow Sea and see THAT? :eek: <SNIP>


That Lt General is 15 Corps Commander and goes by the name of Kanwal Jeet Singh Dhillon or more famously as 'Tiny' Dhillon :P

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Postby Sonugn » 30 Oct 2019 15:57

All 6 people killed in the attack are from the same village.
Now mamata has demanded a investigation to find the "real truth".
I have a feeling in which direction this is going to go as far as conspiracy theories go...

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Yagnasri » 30 Oct 2019 16:12

Sonugn wrote:I have a feeling in which direction this is going to go as far as conspiracy theories go...


Agree. But as per the reports attacks on the non locals have started sometime back and are being done systematically. These attacks are likely to continue. So any amount of CTs will not hold water to the public at large.

But Communists and peacefuls will spin it as they want. Nothing new there also.

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Postby Primus » 30 Oct 2019 17:14

Vayutuvan wrote:
Primus wrote: ... My quest was to find the answer to this very question you are asking - who let us down? How did a pissant country of a few million manage to rule over a huge and powerful nation like India? Were my great-grandparents and their parents complicit somehow, where they cowards to let this happen? ...


Good post. By the way, I had no doubts like that since my uncle was a freedom fighter who was jailed along with Maulana Azad. He never entered politics following MKG's wish to disband INC and all the freedom fighters start working on social upliftment. He died a happy and contented man who was an idol for many. His peers who entered politics rose very high, one rising to the highest post of India.

So no, none of our family members were cowardly.


I have a distinct memory of the 'baithak' in my grandfather's home in the ancestral village. Instead of having pictures of the Mahatama or The Chacha on the walls, he had Bhagat Singh and Chandrashekhar Azad. He took great pride in telling us how brave these heroes were and how accurate Azad's pistol shooting was. He was not unusual in this regard, most homes in the village those days had freedom-fighters adorning their walls - apart from the Gods of course. Goes to show that for these simple folks our national heroes were the equivalent of Gods and the Brits were hated, as were those Indians who were seen to be just another face of oppression.

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Postby nam » 30 Oct 2019 17:43

https://twitter.com/gauravcsawant/status/1189499142101319680

Visiting European MEPs support India on abrogation of #Article370. Also said terror is the biggest issue stalling development in #Kashmir. Appreciate the role of youth & civil society desirous of peace ..


So much hu ha.. over the visit.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 30 Oct 2019 18:05

Poor audio (I can't BELIEVE that this is the best that DD can do, is it an amateur recording from the back?), can't hear except that #1 is a Frogistani accent. Nicely wears an INDIAN tricolor flag pin.
#2 says: I have been in India 20 times (past Minister of this and that etc etc). I have been elected 14 times. I remember I was in Afghanistan, last month I was in Syria. I don't want Kashmir to become Syria or Afghanistan. Yesterdin I spoke to citizen groups who spoke from the heart: "We want to be Indian citizens like all other Indian citizens. We want development like all the other states of India..."

Need to listen to him again with good audio. Excellent!
#3 is Poodlestani. Started by talking about the terrorist attack that killed 5 laborers. This is the guy who talked about Oirope being at Biss after 1945. Also put in a good point about Central money not reaching the citjens, so abbreciate the {Panchayat raj I suppose}

#4 I cannot figure out what country. Slams global terrorism.
Can't hear the questions at all. Questioner 1: R u better equipped to counter the propaganda? How to respond to the "RW" criticism?
Answer contrasts Free Press in India (good) vs. neighbors. Shocked by criticism, but understand that it is linked to Indian internal politics which is not our ....

Poodlestani says we believe in openness, free press and asking questions and listening to answers.
Frogistani #2 says ask ur colleagues to study the "calligraphy" (I gather that means "writings") of people before commenting on their political views.
Also, terrorism is not necessarily your problem, it could be "us" {our?} problem too. (smiles)


Can someone pls find the Ophishial video on this? where the audio is not so pakistan?
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Postby A_Gupta » 30 Oct 2019 18:22

Primus wrote:My quest was to find the answer to this very question you are asking - who let us down? How did a pissant country of a few million manage to rule over a huge and powerful nation like India? Were my great-grandparents and their parents complicit somehow, where they cowards to let this happen?


IMO, this is a mis-framing of the question.

Let's start with the thought that even minus India, the "pissant" nation had a pretty huge global empire. What was behind that? It is a certain organization of society + knowledge base + technological base + ideology & values + .... + accidents of geography and history. Not that everyone else were cowards.

These are not properties of individuals but of societies or civilizations. Individual courage or individual brilliance goes only so far. Let's say you were the most brilliant economist ever, what impact could you have had in the India of 1950 on India's economic prospects? You may have a great work ethic, but unless you are embedded in a population which also values such a work ethic, you on your own are not going to achieve more than an "individual contributor", the multiplier effect of the other people will not be there. A country full of brave men can still be subjugated if the brave men do not unite effectively to the common purpose of resisting subjugation.

We all - ancestors and all - are "complicit" in not having civilizational systems. that could adapt rapidly enough to the challenges posed by foreign invaders - Islamic or European. And we remain "complicit" in that even today the energy and abilities of 130 crores of people is used far less effectively than has been shown to be possible elsewhere. But I think "complicit" is the wrong word here. And what kind of adaption am I talking about? Primarily organizational, because we're talking about a clash of cultures and civilizations. (i.e., yeah, Sir Isaac Newton was great, but the Royal Society of London for Improving Natural Knowledge is what gives the real edge.)

What organizational structures/skills/ways of working does a civilization have in its repertoire to achieve its ends? Whatever you think of it now, the four-anna-membership-fee-open-to-anyone political party that MKG made out of the Congress was an organizational innovation for the India of his time. The various successes of modern India (e.g., ISRO) are due to organizational innovations.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby chetak » 30 Oct 2019 19:36

ABP News Verified account @ABPNews 19m19 minutes ago

#JammuAndKashmir Will Cease To Be A State From Midnight, Two New UTs To Come Into Existence

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Postby UlanBatori » 30 Oct 2019 22:05

Is it only 2? I thought the KV would be one all by itself so it can reduce itself to a pakistan. They are still allowed to drag Jammu down with them? :((

This will work only with non-Bissful percentage >> Bissful. Maybe MAD strategy is to build up Jammu fast while Anchar and Soura bask in themselves? But I don't see how to eradicate terrorism without building massive parking lots in those suburbs. Time 4 UBCN to get a map I suppose.

BTW, here is an old map that won't get you sent to FatherInLaw's House under Non-Bailable Ophenj IPC#6666. From USSR days
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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby CRamS » 30 Oct 2019 22:07

I see many ModiJi hating DDM like Indian(Paki) Express, UndY going on overdrive to berate ModiJi over the visit of "far right" EU MPs and denying poor Pappu and his slaves to visit.

I just want to contrast 2 narratives:

1. India is under siege by Islmo fascists nexus between Kasmir Muslims and Pakis. Add to that the colonial scoundrels whose propaganda agsinst India post Aug 5th continues unabted.

2. Indian govt arranges a friendly delegation of EU MPs who correctly see Paki sponsored terror as the main and only issue that bedevils Kashmir, most recent being the slaughter of migrant laborers to scare others from coming in

3. Now granted, there may be shades of grey in between.

Now, what would any self respecting country do when under such an assault as highlighted in #1? Entire nation will rally behind the flag and attempt to do their best giving India's side of the story.

But instead what do our eunuchs in Indian(Pak) express and Undo do? Latch on to some potential impropriety in the arranging the visit of this EU delegation by some defunct NGO and attack ModiJi for "flouting "democratic" norms. And poor Pappu was denied the opportunity for going into the valley and grandstanding against his country's interests.

So this is this state of 'free speech' and 'democracy' in India.

Now someone please tell me why ISI would not be laughing their asses off and using these useful idiotic assets to further their cause?

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 30 Oct 2019 23:40

They are all RAA agints, CRAMSji. When ISI approaches them, whammo!


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