J&K Union Territory-2019

The Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum is a venue to discuss issues pertaining to India's security environment, her strategic outlook on global affairs and as well as the effect of international relations in the Indian Subcontinent. We request members to kindly stay within the mandate of this forum and keep their exchanges of views, on a civilised level, however vehemently any disagreement may be felt. All feedback regarding forum usage may be sent to the moderators using the Feedback Form or by clicking the Report Post Icon in any objectionable post for proper action. Please note that the views expressed by the Members and Moderators on these discussion boards are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the Bharat-Rakshak.com Website. Copyright Violation is strictly prohibited and may result in revocation of your posting rights - please read the FAQ for full details. Users must also abide by the Forum Guidelines at all times.
Karan M
Forum Moderator
Posts: 18837
Joined: 19 Mar 2010 00:58

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Karan M » 04 Dec 2019 09:30

LOL. The fact is the Indian decision has really screwed Pakistans choices permanently.

Next, I wonder why that venomous Ayyub is being permitted to travel the whole world inciting action against India. Surely, there must a be a lawful measure on sedition.

vishvak
BR Mainsite Crew
Posts: 5640
Joined: 12 Aug 2011 21:19

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby vishvak » 04 Dec 2019 09:37

By definition “a terrorist is a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in pursuit of political aims”

From Provocative Statements made by Pakistan leadership on Jihad, Nuclear war and violent action

Everytime some paki goes wild or any of their overground supporter or indirect beneficiary threatens violence/intimidation for political aims, tell them not to be a sophisticated terrorist 'by definition'.

sanjayc
BRFite
Posts: 337
Joined: 22 Aug 2016 21:40

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby sanjayc » 04 Dec 2019 13:25

Karan M wrote:LOL. The fact is the Indian decision has really screwed Pakistans choices permanently.

Next, I wonder why that venomous Ayyub is being permitted to travel the whole world inciting action against India. Surely, there must a be a lawful measure on sedition.


Too many opportunist HIndus doing this too - some of them went to British Parliament to give evidence against India on caste system, etc. Many Indian communists / leftists openly collaborating with Breaking India Forces in the US. We need a separate law against such people who hold Indian passports but conduct anti-India activities outside the borders of India. Confiscation of passports and being put on exit control list would be the first step, followed by a jail term. It's time to pick up the stick against these people

mmasand
BRFite
Posts: 659
Joined: 19 May 2009 23:46

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby mmasand » 05 Dec 2019 00:22

Interesting development, WhatsApp accounts in J&K being deleted due to inactivity in line with WhatsApp's policy. This has both prod and cons.

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13498
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 05 Dec 2019 03:59


Deans
BRFite
Posts: 1005
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 19:13
Location: Moscow

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Deans » 05 Dec 2019 10:38



Use the comments section to make your point - I've done so, in reply to one of the Anti-nationals.



ArjunPandit
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3167
Joined: 29 Mar 2017 06:37

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby ArjunPandit » 05 Dec 2019 16:29

Karan M wrote:LOL. The fact is the Indian decision has really screwed Pakistans choices permanently.

this reminds me of the collapse of the tulip bubble. World's first crash/meltdown..based on the assumption that tulip bulb prices wont come down ...much like the recession of 2009 house prices wont come down..in some way it is like '65 & '71.
pakis kept on assuming
1. '65: local population will revolt against India
2. '71: With US support they can get away with everything and they can hold against India in a conventional war
3. '19: they can keep on doing things they have been doing under the cover fire provided by art 370..
Some other assumptions have been broken in last 4 years, like India wont cross LoC, wont use IAF, wont retaliate strongly...these are epochal moments, when history books will be written out of daily events, these events will find paragraphs in the chapter of kashmir
There is one more assumption left that ...hopefully that will close the chapter and in a way book...

Yagnasri
BRF Oldie
Posts: 9631
Joined: 29 May 2007 18:03

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Yagnasri » 05 Dec 2019 17:30

https://www.opindia.com/2019/12/rana-ay ... s-kashmir/ Rana Ayyub illegally smuggles foreign journalist to J&K.

Sanju
BRFite
Posts: 1018
Joined: 14 Aug 2005 01:00
Location: North of 49

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Sanju » 05 Dec 2019 21:26

Twitter Ibn Sina
One of my dream got fulfilled. Thanks to @HMOIndia Shri @AmitShah.

JK Waqf Board abolished, Central Govt brings all #Mosques under its direct control.

Annual income of JKWB was Rs 26 Cr
.

It had under it control
970,071 kanal of land
.

'Time for Mullah's to pack up their bags.'


This is amazing!! Not a peep from the news dalals. This should go under the achievements thread.

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13498
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 05 Dec 2019 22:18

UNFAIR!!! Paymasters held in dilli with Rs. 30Lac in currency, on way to CashMore

CISF personnel today apprehended four Indians returning from Saudi Arabia with about Rs 39 lakh cash at the Delhi airport.
Reports said the four passengers landed at the Indira Gandhi International Airport from Jeddah and were scheduled to take an Air India flight to Jammu. They were intercepted after the security personnel noticed images of currency wads in their bags.
A total of Rs 38,99,322 cash was found in envelopes belonging to the passengers, reports said.
As the cash was found suspicious, the passengers were handed over to Customs authorities by the CISF personnel, reports said.

vishvak
BR Mainsite Crew
Posts: 5640
Joined: 12 Aug 2011 21:19

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby vishvak » 06 Dec 2019 00:08

Sanju wrote:Twitter Ibn Sina
One of my dream got fulfilled. Thanks to @HMOIndia Shri @AmitShah.

JK Waqf Board abolished, Central Govt brings all #Mosques under its direct control.
..

Came under central waqf board. link

Skanda
BRFite
Posts: 285
Joined: 18 Sep 2007 02:19

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Skanda » 06 Dec 2019 08:11

vishvak wrote:
Sanju wrote:Twitter Ibn Sina

Came under central waqf board. link


Wait, if the JK Waqf board can be “removed” by the GOI, can the central Waqf board also be dissolved By the GOI. Hypothetically.

wig
BRFite
Posts: 1776
Joined: 09 Feb 2009 16:58

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby wig » 06 Dec 2019 13:18

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/natio ... 70793.html
It’s decided, J&K residents to be issued domicile cards


Four months after Jammu and Kashmir was split into two Union Territories, the Union Government is all set to provide domicile certificate to local residents, as demanded by party’s top local leadership. The government is expected to announce a decision in this regard by December 15.

Sachin
Webmaster BR
Posts: 7748
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Undisclosed

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Sachin » 06 Dec 2019 14:50

^^^ What benefits will such a domicile card give the holder? Again if it is stuff like only they can settle down in Kashmir or Ladakh etc; then I guess we are bringing back the old J&K in a different box.

A_Gupta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11636
Joined: 23 Oct 2001 11:31
Contact:

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby A_Gupta » 06 Dec 2019 15:27

“Domicile Certificate in Kerala. Domicile certificate or Residence Certificate is an essential legal document for proving that a person is having a residence in a State. Domicile certificate allows a person to claim various facilities and schemes provided by the Kerala government.”


Vikas
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6564
Joined: 03 Dec 2005 02:40
Location: Where DST doesn't bother me
Contact:

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Vikas » 06 Dec 2019 17:55

Domicile certificate is different from state subject. In lot of states, Govt depts. do ask for domicile certificates for claiming benefits.

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13498
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Dec 2019 02:43

For the first time (??) J&K residents speak out on the obvious: border villages are left to experience Paki shelling.
Time to push the Yellow Sea to the Sindhu.

“abandoning people living along the International Border and LoC in the Jammu region and alleged that the hapless border people have been left on the mercy of God amidst heavy Pak shelling. He accused the Modi Government of failing to put an end to the ceasefire violations by Pakistan along the IB/LOC in Jammu and Kashmir, saying the lives of people living in border areas have become miserable.
He said the persistent ceasefire violations have made the life of people living in border areas miserable and they are forced to lead a life marked by fear, uncertainty and mental stress. Alleging that the NDA Government remained insensitive towards the plight and trauma of the people, he said, “How long people of the Jammu and Kashmir and the country will be fed with rhetoric’s and hollow promises as the ceasefire violations go on unabated?”
Bhalla said the time has come to act and silence the Pakistani guns as the residents of border areas have suffered unimaginable loss to lives, property, livestock, crops, due to unprovoked Pakistani firing and shelling.
A large number of border residents demanded accessible and advanced health care facilities including a blood bank and digital X-ray. Bhalla demanded helicopter services for border residents of Poonch saying that in absence of specialized medical services, several Pak firing injured victims breathe their last mid way when they are referred to GMC Jammu in absence of air service. He also demanded constitution of a Border Areas Development Authority (BADA) to cater the need of developmental activities in border areas.
PCC leader said due to lack of adequate funds Mandi-Fagla-Bufliaz Road, PMGSY Road in Arai Malkan, augmentation of PHE Pumps in the area was still in limbo. He also demanded bullet proof ambulances and oxygen manufacturing plant in Poonch besides early construction of Circular Road in Poonch Town and completion of JU campus in Dingla.

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13498
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Dec 2019 02:46

BTW, this came in J&K Daily Excelsior about Hyderabad and other events recently

and todin, this

How can it be "encounter"? Weren't all 4 already hanging upside down in polis custody? Not weeping, mind u, but it makes me wonder...
Added later:
A bit strange that the sh1ts were taken to the crime scene without "jewelry" around their necks, ankles, hands and mijjiles, hain? Very convenient to snatch weapons and injure 2 polis.

Maybe a message here: swift justice expected, after a few days of enjoyment at the polis resort.
Last edited by UlanBatori on 07 Dec 2019 08:04, edited 1 time in total.

vishvak
BR Mainsite Crew
Posts: 5640
Joined: 12 Aug 2011 21:19

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby vishvak » 07 Dec 2019 03:37

Skanda wrote:[quote="vishvak">>
Came under central waqf board. link
<</quote]

Wait, if the JK Waqf board can be “removed” by the GOI, can the central Waqf board also be dissolved By the GOI. Hypothetically.

Suppose a muslim acquired a property of a minority non-believers can he put it into wakf. Similar questions may come up.

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13498
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Dec 2019 08:12

Daily Excelsior report can be pasted here, unlike reports from the plains rags:

Police said the killings took place between 5.45 am and 6.15 am when the accused, lorry workers aged between 20 and 24, were taken to the scene of the crime near Hyderabad from an undisclosed location for a reconstruction of events as part of the investigation. The four men-who were not handcuffed-were in police custody, it said.
Cyberabad Police Commi-ssioner CV Sajjanar told reporters his men resorted to “retaliatory” firing after two of the accused opened fire at police after snatching weapons from them.
He said one of the accused, Mohammed Arif, was the first to open fire, even as the 10-member police team that took them to the crime scene were attacked with stones and sticks.
The police returned fire after initial “restraint” and asking the accused to surrender, he said.
The snatched weapons were in “unlocked” position, he added.
The accused were not handcuffed when the firing took place and the incident happened between 5.45 am and 6.15 am this morning, he said.
A police sub-inspector and a constable suffered head injuries and were undergoing treatment, he said.
“Even though our officers maintained restraint and asked them to surrender, without listening to us, they continued to fire and attack…our people started retaliation. And in that retaliation four accused got killed,” he added.
News of the ‘encounter’ killing led to celebrations in some quarters and concern in others.
The father and the sister of the woman veterinarian said they were very happy and thanked the Telangana Government and police.
“We watched on TV that they were killed in an encounter. We are very happy. Even people are happy. I thank the Telangana Government and police for the encounter. I thank everyone who stood by us,” the father told the media.
The young woman’s sister hoped the killings would be a deterrent for others.
“With this incident people should be scared to commit such crimes (against women),” she said.
While the woman veterinarian has come to be known as “Disha”, direction, the Delhi girl was dubbed “Nirbhaya”, the fearless one.
People showered flower petals and paid homage to the veterinarian and raised slogans that justice had been done. Some shouted “Telangana Police zindabad”
Men and women distributed sweets to police personnel even as some celebrated the killing by bursting fire crackers near the encounter site and in other parts of Hyderabad.
“It has brought peace to the soul of Disha and her family has got justice. They (police) have done encounter we are really happy. It will act as a deterrent. Those want to do crime they should fear… the police have done a very good job,” a city resident said.
The National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) took cognisance of the killings and ordered an inquiry.
In a statement, the apex human rights body said the encounter was a matter of concern and needed to be probed carefully.
Several rights activists spoke out to express their outrage and said the police cannot act like a lynch mob under any circumstance.
The encounter is an attempt by authorities to distract people from the government’s failures to safeguard women’s rights, the activists said, calling for an exhaustive inquiry.
According to Kavita Krishnan, secretary of the All India Progressive Women’s Association, the killing of the four men is not justice but a “ploy” to shut down demands for accountability from the police, judiciary, governments, and justice and dignity for women.
Detailing the events leading to the exchange of fire, Sajjanar said the police team brought the accused to the location based on their ‘confession’ to recover a cellphone and ‘other objects.’
“…all the four accused got together, they started attacking the police party with stones, sticks, and other material. And they also snatched away weapons from our two officers and started firing,” he said.
A medical team reached the spot and a doctor told reporters post-mortem will be conducted in nearby Mahabubnagar district.
Defending the police action, Bengaluru Police Commissioner Bhaskar Rao termed it as “correct and timely” given the situation.
Many political leaders stepped into the growing debate on the circumstances that led to the killing.
Samajwadi Party MP Jaya Bachchan, who had recently advocated lynching of rapists in Parliament, said the killing of the four men was “long due”.
“Better late than never,” she said.
BSP president Mayawati also praised the police for its strong action against the accused.
But there were others who expressed their consternation.
Congress leader and Lok Sabha member Shashi Tharoor said extrajudicial killings were not acceptable.
“We need to know more… Until details emerge we should not rush to condemn. But extrajudicial killings are otherwise unacceptable in a society of laws,” he tweeted.
BJP leader Maneka Gandhi slammed the police and said it set a “horrifying” precedent.
National Commission for Women chief Rekha Sharma said she was happy the perpetrators were dead, but justice should have been done through proper legal channels. (PTI)

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13498
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Dec 2019 08:16

Now if the same can be done to all those rapists walking free in the Cashmore Valley...
Note from comments above that most of the commentors discount the polis version of "encounter". For one thing, taking pre-trial, non-bailed murder suspects on picnics with no restraints, sounds extremely unusual. Secondly, the injuries to the polis appear to be from sticks and stones, not gunshots.

IOW, the polis are really not making more than a thinnest veneer to cover the nature of the "encounter". Blunt message

Question is: How sure are you that all 4 were really the guilty ones?

OTOH, around the same time, Miami Polis managed to kill a hostage and a bystander in "encountering" just 2 robbers, firing over 200 shots. Telangana Polis have not reached such heights.

vishvak
BR Mainsite Crew
Posts: 5640
Joined: 12 Aug 2011 21:19

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby vishvak » 07 Dec 2019 09:26

When we get PoUToLadakh back we need to put sikh general who has mastered the arts from Maharaj Ranjeet Singh and willing to squat flies for a while till situation becomes normal in letter and spirit.

Barath
BRFite -Trainee
Posts: 86
Joined: 11 Feb 2019 19:06

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Barath » 09 Dec 2019 11:55

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/i ... 2019-12-03

Cash for violence offers on tape. Few folks travelled to Delhi to make the offers...

KLNMurthy
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3922
Joined: 17 Aug 2005 13:06

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby KLNMurthy » 09 Dec 2019 20:54

SriKumar wrote:
ShauryaT wrote:
I am not assigning any positions to you. Also, the CGI is a diplomat. Even if one catches his tongue with prongs, the guy will not say what we want him to! To me kudos that he referenced the jews and Israel as a testament to their tenacity and will. Kudos that he stated that Kashmiri culture is Hindu culture.
I do not see any benefit in linking it with the Israeli situation. The downside is that it causes needles controversy which is a distraction from the diplomatic tasks at hand. Clearly, the GOI can do whatever it wants (and more) on the ground, without having to reference up other countries with problems that have some similarity. The implication is that similar tactics and methods could be used to solve it- which may or- more likely- may not be true. India has more options. (To my mind, the bigger issue is how can security be provided to Hindus if the governments change after some time, and a new dispensation has a different perspective).

This seemed to be an informal gathering...his mode of speech and cadence reflected this. So I am not sure that this reflects some change in an official position of the GOI. So I would not give it the same weightage as a public statement. There might be an element of chaankiaan-ness, possibly. And finally, yes, Hinduism is a part of Kashmiri culture- a historical reality that is undeniable. Hindus, and their culture, were ethnically cleansed out of that region and any official sources stating this point is, to my mind, the truth, and hence non-controversial.
My last on this.


The fact that we are debating the "Israel" comment at a pragmatic level (was it wise? Was it an appropriate analogy? Was it just a mistake from a member of a class of people whose thinking is otherwise crystal clear and nationalistic?) is itself revealing.

The "just like Israel" comment comes from an Indian and global mindset that is incapable of ever thinking of India in anything but a vassal position. This mindset is independent of ideology.

Global good-n-greats along with their Indian sepoys jump up and down, saying Modi is just like Trump." And Yeevil Yindooz look at Israel and yearn in their hearts for 1.3B strong vishwa guru to be just like a 10M Abrahamic qaum.

Hardly ever do we hear (hence, hardly ever do we have thoughts of), "India will find its own way, let the world watch and learn if it still remembers how to recognize universal dharma."

Not very heartening raw materials for freeing India to be itself.

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13498
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 14 Dec 2019 04:07


UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13498
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 14 Dec 2019 04:11

UBCN Extra Neuj Flash!

PORK Govt to call itself JA(c)KASS

Daily Excelsior

Sanjeev Pargal
JAMMU, Dec 13: In a serious development, Pakistan, which has been completely frustrated by the Indian Government’s move to scrap special Constitutional provisions of Jammu and Kashmir and bifurcate it into two Union Territories of J&K and Ladakh, has been mulling change in the status of Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK) and speculations to this effect gained momentum when PoK ‘Government’ renamed ‘Azad Jammu and Kashmir Management Group’ as ‘Jammu And CKashmir Administrative ServiceS’.
The order comes just couple of days after PoK `Prime Minister’ Farooq Haider Khan said in Muzaffarabad that he could be the last `Prime Minister’ of PoK dropping enough hints that Pakistan could alter the status of PoK, which was legally a part of India, which has time and again been reiterated by both Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Home Minister Amit Shah.
An order dated 11th December issued by ‘Azad Government of the State of Jammu and Kashmir’ Services and General Administration Department (Regulations) said the ‘President of Azad Jammu and Kashmir’ ordered renaming of ‘Azad Jammu and Kashmir Management Group’ as `Jammu and Kashmir Administrative Services’ (JKAS) with immediate effect.
“All references to ‘Azad Jammu and Kashmir Management Group’ in any rule, order or instruction shall be construed as reference to Jammu and Kashmir Administrative Services,” the order said.
The PoK Government order assumed significance as it was issued on 11th December i.e. just two days after PoK `Prime Minister’ Farooq Haider Khan made a highly controversial statement in Muzaffarabad stating that he could be the last `Prime Minister’ of PoK.
Khan’s statement had drawn flak from several PoK leaders, who had opposed the sinister plan of Pakistan to fiddle with the status of PoK, which was an autonomous territory held illegally by Pakistan as it was part and parcel of India.
Presently Pakistan has four provinces-Balochistan, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Punjab and Sindh, two autonomous territories (PoK and Gilgit-Baltistan) and one federal territory (Islamabad Capital Territory).
Sources said Pakistan leadership might try to merge PoK with Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, which shared border with PoK as well as Gilgit-Baltistan or make it a fifth province along with Balochistan, Punjab, Sindh and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (which was till 2010 known as North Western Frontier Province).
According to sources, the Indian Government was watching developments in PoK especially in the wake of change in the name of Administrative Services and the PoK `Prime Minister’s’ statement. Only PoK has separate `Prime Minister’ and `President’ while provinces in Pakistan have the Chief Ministers and Governors.
Indian Parliament had unanimously passed a resolution in 1994 during the regime of PV Narsimha Rao stating that PoK is an integral part of India.
In Jammu and Kashmir Re-organization Act approved by the Parliament, the Central Government has kept 24 seats reserved for Pakistan occupied Kashmir in the Legislative Assembly of Jammu and Kashmir. The same numbers of seats were reserved in the previous J&K State Assembly as well for PoK.
The Legislative Assembly of the Union Territory of Jammu and Kashmir will have 114 seats. Election will be held on 90 seats and 24 will be reserved for Pakistan occupied Kashmir.
The Central Government had on August 5 scrapped special Constitutional provisions of Jammu and Kashmir and bifurcated the State into two Union Territories of J&K and Ladakh. Frustrated by the Government decision, Pakistan has been resorting to heavy mortar shelling and firing on the Line of Control in J&K since then. It also tried to internationalize the issued but badly failed in the attempts.

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13498
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 14 Dec 2019 04:13

Psst! What eej their takleef about the "Azad" thing?

saip
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3646
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 12:31
Location: USA

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby saip » 14 Dec 2019 08:57

Everyone knows there is no Azad in PORK. Freedom House classifies it as 'Not Free'

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13498
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 14 Dec 2019 09:23

There is Azad in PORK like their is Pak (purity) in Terroristan. :) But all these years, the Pakis claimed that PORK was the Azad part of Cashmore. Why now take that out? Also why Jammu (Hindu-majority place, na?) Are they introducing the Jammu name just to goad India? It was always AK, not AJK. I am confused.

vishvak
BR Mainsite Crew
Posts: 5640
Joined: 12 Aug 2011 21:19

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby vishvak » 14 Dec 2019 09:54

Porkies fight across Afghanistan border (and bomb their parliament, support Taliban and so on) but about Indian state there always are complaints about certain things or other - besides supporting terrorism, attacking parliament, etc.

Peregrine
BRF Oldie
Posts: 8384
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Peregrine » 18 Dec 2019 04:23

X Posted on the Terroistan Thread

UNSC members force China to bury request for K-debate

NEW DELHI: Faced with opposition from key members of the UN security council, China quietly withdrew its request for a discussion on Kashmir which was earlier scheduled for Tuesday.

The Indian government remained tight-lipped, with official sources saying, “India is not a member of the UN Security Council, so we are not in the room.” However, other countries confirmed China had chosen discretion as the better part of valour. French diplomatic sources asserted, “Kashmir will not be discussed in the security council today. Our position has been very clear: Kashmir issue has to be treated bilaterally. We have highlighted this several times recently, including in New York.”

The thwarting of China’s plans will be a relief for India with officials seeing the move as coinciding with Pakistan’s fresh attempts to raise protests in India over the Citizenship Amendment Act.

As first reported by TOI, China had requested informally for a discussion on Kashmir under the “other business” head. This was seen as an effort to embarrass India, on behalf of all-weather ally Pakistan. However, the Chinese proposal faced a significant pushback from other UNSC members, which ended with a quiet withdrawal.

India and China are scheduled to hold what promises to be an important round of bilateral boundary talks this weekend between national security adviser and special representative Ajit Doval and his Chinese counterpart state counsellor Wang Yi. As first reported by TOI, the boundary talks are scheduled for December 21

In August, during foreign minister S Jaishankar’s visit to China, the Chinese side had hinted at “early harvest” proposals on the boundary. However, these failed to see the light of day, When Wang Yi was visiting Pakistan and Nepal early September, India indicated that the time was “not ripe” for a boundary discussion. This was just after China attempted to pin down India on J&K at the UNSC in midAugust.

The two boundary special representatives also met on the sidelines of the Mahabalipuram summit between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping. This weekend’s meeting has been accorded very high importance by the Indian government, where along with boundary talks, Doval and Wang are expected to hold a strategic dialogue on issues of importance.

Cheers Image

ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 53900
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby ramana » 18 Dec 2019 06:18

A read over the last few months a dozen old books on Kashmir problem and how to solve it .
None ever envisioned the current methof of UT way to break the impasse.
Jaitley Jai Ho!!!

Kashi
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3622
Joined: 06 May 2011 13:53

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Kashi » 18 Dec 2019 07:47

ramana wrote:A read over the last few months a dozen old books on Kashmir problem and how to solve it .
None ever envisioned the current methof of UT way to break the impasse.
Jaitley Jai Ho!!!


Well if the impasse was broken, who would pay for authors to write more books on the issue, hain?

Begs the questions, if the "authors" are dissociated from ground realities or peddling agendas disguised as scholarship.

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13498
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 18 Dec 2019 09:20

^ Just not as chankian as MAD.

Yagnasri
BRF Oldie
Posts: 9631
Joined: 29 May 2007 18:03

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Yagnasri » 18 Dec 2019 10:03

Out of box thinking at its best. That is what we did. Planing timing etc are all best. This would go done one of the best moves by any GoI for a foreseeable future. Of course we have SC to contend with now.

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13498
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby UlanBatori » 18 Dec 2019 18:55

Look if I had written a book outlining that this was the way to dump 370, u would all have laughed. "Internet ban for 6 months, HA!!!" "No violence bad enough to force polis to shoot, for 4.5 months (at least)!" :rotfl: "No international re-percussion, HA!!" :rotfl: Not in Al-****'s lifetime!

If I owned land in POrK/Balwaristan, I would sell now.

vijayk
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4187
Joined: 22 Jun 1999 11:31

Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby vijayk » 20 Dec 2019 01:16

The biggest support to anti-nationals (all kinds of them in India) comes from left. Right now, T is non interfering. But D Govt. would have encouraged jihadis/commie alliance to take this on a massive scale


Return to “Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Chandra, csaurabh, Sathish_A and 64 guests