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Ex-J&K CMs stripped of all privileges
SRINAGAR: In a major setback to surviving former chief ministers of the erstwhile state of J&K, who held the post after 1984, the Centre on Tuesday evening stripped them of lifetime privileges like rent-free accommodation, free medical care, pension, Z-plus security for them and their families, and other facilities, including one personnel assistant, one special assistant and two peons. The former CMs who will be affected by this development are Farooq Abdullah, his son Omar Abdullah, Mehbooba Mufti and Ghulam Nabi Azad.
When Farooq was CM in 1996, he had amended the State Legislature Members’ Pension Act, 1984, to add Section 3C, allowing former CMs to enjoy these privileges and benefits.
Barring Farooq and Azad, the other two ex-CMs retain their rent-free government bungalows in Srinagar’s Gupkar Road neighbourhood. While Farooq lives in his private house in Gupkar Road, senior Congress functionary Azad, whenever in Srinagar, stays at his Hyderpora residence. However, they used to enjoy all other benefits of being ex-CMs. While Farooq is the sitting MP from Srinagar, Azad is the leader of Opposition in the Rajya Sabha.
The other two ex-CMs, Omar and Mehbooba, have been clinging on to their official residences in Srinagar despite having their private houses here. While Omar has his father’s house just a few houses away from his official residence, Mehbooba has her house at Nowgam in Srinagar.
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Jammu BJP raises concerns over new J&K domicile rule with national leadership, Amit Shah
From the report "BJP worried and upset, as it not only loosens the criteria of who can claim domicile but only keeps lower level jobs reserved for locals with higher level jobs open for all" .
Is the BJP J&K unit expecting the old Kashmiriyat and other gimmicks minus the Islamic terrorism? In that case perhaps they need to be shown the right way? That they are no different from rest of India.
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I was expecting Home Ministry giving in to Peacefuls on domicile subject and here we go. Bloody 15 years to get domicile when someone can get Indian citizenship after 8-10 years.

Additionally, abolishing 2 day old order of job protection for only class 4. Now all jobs are reserved for JK domiciles. WHAT the hell - they are again creating problems for future and letting them think they are special. It was the right time to tell them - all Indians are equal.

I don’t understand, why this continuous appeasement policy. Any thoughts? Why HM paddles back?
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RKumar wrote:I don’t understand, why this continuous appeasement policy. Any thoughts? Why HM paddles back?
See my last post (one post above yours). The Jammu BJP unit itself had met Amit Shah asking for changes in the domicile law. Which sadly means that; cutting across religion folks in J&K want some kind of preferential treatment. From what I understand, such a mentality - that they are special and want special privileges existed for quite some time. Even the Pandits demanded it. But when the jehadis took it to the next level (i.e the Kashmiri Muslims are super special) that they started complaining.
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Time and again, The Hindus are the biggest enemies of the Hindus. Amit Shah ji, should have looked at the bigger picture than hearing the feedback of such idiots. The message should be clear - All Indians are equal and bring Unified Civil Code at the earliest.

But if an order can be revoked and I can't find a reason why it can't be dropped altogether? Otherwise, we encourage them to cry louder and shriller next time. And I hope no free money is distributed to anyone there, let them work and earn their bread n butter.
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Sachin wrote:
RKumar wrote:I don’t understand, why this continuous appeasement policy. Any thoughts? Why HM paddles back?
See my last post (one post above yours). The Jammu BJP unit itself had met Amit Shah asking for changes in the domicile law. Which sadly means that; cutting across religion folks in J&K want some kind of preferential treatment. From what I understand, such a mentality - that they are special and want special privileges existed for quite some time. Even the Pandits demanded it. But when the jehadis took it to the next level (i.e the Kashmiri Muslims are super special) that they started complaining.
I don't know why people are having these knee jerk reactions. I think the J&K domicile law is a good one.

Note that the domicile definition and the government jobs are two different things though related.

1) Regarding goremint jobs: Nothing wrong with reserving them for domiciled persons (at least for now). The children of employees of Central government institutions, all-India services, public sector undertakings, public sector banks, statutory bodies, Central universities and recognised research institutes of the Central government who have served in Jammu and Kashmir for 10 years will also be eligible.

That's a lot of people...the "locals" will still have a lot of competition for a small number of jobs. Note that goremint jobs are only a small fraction of the total employment. And military jobs are not covered under this law either.

2) Regarding domicile: 15 years is fine, especially with other provisions and exemptions for people who have studied in the state. Many states have the same or stricter requirement. I just looked up a few...MH, UK, HP, SK all require 15 years. AS requires 20 years.
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Also, all the descendents of refugees from PoK that came in 1947, will qualify as domicile, under the rules just announced. KPs who left the state in 1990, and their descendents should also qualify under the new rules.

Not to forget - Are women who grew up in J&K but married outside the state, now covered under the domicile definition?
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RKumar wrote:I was expecting Home Ministry giving in to Peacefuls on domicile subject and here we go. Bloody 15 years to get domicile when someone can get Indian citizenship after 8-10 years.

Additionally, abolishing 2 day old order of job protection for only class 4. Now all jobs are reserved for JK domiciles. WHAT the hell - they are again creating problems for future and letting them think they are special. It was the right time to tell them - all Indians are equal.

I don’t understand, why this continuous appeasement policy. Any thoughts? Why HM paddles back?
Perhaps the local BJP understands the ground dynamics better. Don't think that people like Amit Shah is in the business of apeasement. There may be logics we do not have insight into.
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There are local political compulsions that needs to be considered. Maharashtra for example has a 15 year residency requirement to be considered as a state domicile, Karnataka has one of the most liberal where one only needs to live for 6 years to be considered as a state domicile.
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in the meanwhile, back at the ranch........


from swarajya magazine


Social Distancing, Indian Army Style: Nine Terrorists Eliminated In Kashmir Valley In Last 24 Hours
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chetak wrote:in the meanwhile, back at the ranch........


from swarajya magazine


Social Distancing, Indian Army Style: Nine Terrorists Eliminated In Kashmir Valley In Last 24 Hours
Is this separate from the BAT encounter near the LOC?
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Five army commandos, 5 terrorists killed in LoC ‘hand-to-hand’ battle
“The SF men split into two squads and approached their target stealthily to prevent the terrorists from escaping,” said the third officer cited above. And that’s when tragedy struck.

“One of the squads didn’t realise that they were on a cornice. The complete snow block collapsed taking the squad leader and the two scouts down all the way to the nallah where the terrorists were sitting... It led to a close-quarter battle at almost point blank range,” the officer said. The two commandos in the other squad rushed to provide support to their comrades who were locked in an intense close-quarter fight with the terrorists. In the ensuing engagement, the five commandos were successful in killing all the infiltrators but at the cost of their own lives.

“Despite the fall, the commandos killed all the terrorists because of their superior training standards,” the officer said.
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Jaish-e-Mohammad terrorist commander Sajad Nawab Dar killed in encounter in Jammu and Kashmir's Sopore area


Srinagar: Police confirmed that a Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) terrorist commander was killed in an encounter with security forces in the Sopore area of Baramulla district of Jammu and Kashmir on Wednesday.

News agency PTI quoted a police official as saying, "A JeM commander has been neutralised in the ongoing encounter in Sopore." It was further said that the deceased has been identified as Sajad Nawab Dar.

The official also said that further details of the operation were awaited while adding that the security forces had launched a cordon-and-search operation in the Arampora area of Sopore in the north Kashmir district late Tuesday night after receiving specific information about the presence of militants there.

Further talking about the operation, the official said that the forces conducted searches in the area and maintained a tight cordon during the night to stop militants from fleeing. The militants fired upon a search party of the forces on Wednesday drawing retaliation, the official said.
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SBajwa wrote:Jaish-e-Mohammad terrorist commander Sajad Nawab Dar killed in encounter in Jammu and Kashmir's Sopore area


Srinagar: Police confirmed that a Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) terrorist commander was killed in an encounter with security forces in the Sopore area of Baramulla district of Jammu and Kashmir on Wednesday.

News agency PTI quoted a police official as saying, "A JeM commander has been neutralised in the ongoing encounter in Sopore." It was further said that the deceased has been identified as Sajad Nawab Dar.

The official also said that further details of the operation were awaited while adding that the security forces had launched a cordon-and-search operation in the Arampora area of Sopore in the north Kashmir district late Tuesday night after receiving specific information about the presence of militants there.

Further talking about the operation, the official said that the forces conducted searches in the area and maintained a tight cordon during the night to stop militants from fleeing. The militants fired upon a search party of the forces on Wednesday drawing retaliation, the official said.
It looks like they handed the body back to the families and over a thousand people assembled for his funeral, in violation of all COVID restrictions.

Big fail on the part of the govt, this should have been stopped especially since center controls the local govt now. They should be buried in random places without this chance for a charade and further militant recruitment, not to mention COVID spread.
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SBajwa wrote:Jaish-e-Mohammad terrorist commander Sajad Nawab Dar killed in encounter in Jammu and Kashmir's Sopore area
Good riddance. I don't understand why IA gives the body of slain pigs to their families. This swine's funeral saw thousands come on the streets as usual social distancing be damned.
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somdev wrote:Good writeup by Lieutenant General Syed Ata Hasnain on why we should keep the vigil in Kashmir

https://m.rediff.com/news/column/kupwar ... 3AUym0kUOk
Indeed, but are we back to the old days of Pakis attacking with disposable pigLeTs, we defending and lose valuable troops in the process. If so, that means in material terms nothing will have changed in the India TSP equation post 370. Because this was exactly the situation before also. Question also is whether TSP has upped the ante because the big boys are fighting the COVID battle and FATF has taken it gaze off TSP?
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What has removal of article 370 got to do with it? Pakis were not going to dismantle their terror infra just because we removed 370. I don't think anyone in govt. or IA were expecting that to happen and that wasn't the reason 370 had to be removed.
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CRamS wrote:Indeed, but are we back to the old days of Pakis attacking with disposable pigLeTs, we defending and lose valuable troops in the process. If so, that means in material terms nothing will have changed in the India TSP equation post 370. Because this was exactly the situation before also.
There is a big difference. Pakis now have to rely on disposable pigLeTs, because the entire valley is now cleaned up of home grown terrorists. The people of Kashmir Valley in India have been clearly shown the future and the expectations set on them. So that is why you see no stone throwings and other dramas. They have all fallen in line, perhaps grumbling. After Art.370 got thrown out how many stone throwings happened? Or how many rounds of mass protests happened? Pretty much nothing. Pakis will never give up on their love for Kashmir, so they will try their tricks again and again. We any ways had a good Army presence in the Northern sides.
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Sachin wrote:
CRamS wrote:Indeed, but are we back to the old days of Pakis attacking with disposable pigLeTs, we defending and lose valuable troops in the process. If so, that means in material terms nothing will have changed in the India TSP equation post 370. Because this was exactly the situation before also.
There is a big difference. Pakis now have to rely on disposable pigLeTs, because the entire valley is now cleaned up of home grown terrorists. The people of Kashmir Valley in India have been clearly shown the future and the expectations set on them. So that is why you see no stone throwings and other dramas. They have all fallen in line, perhaps grumbling. After Art.370 got thrown out how many stone throwings happened? Or how many rounds of mass protests happened? Pretty much nothing. Pakis will never give up on their love for Kashmir, so they will try their tricks again and again. We any ways had a good Army presence in the Northern sides.
as soon as they become a state(s) and have a jehadi govt(s) in place, no matter what their numerical situation may be in the new state(s) legislature(s), the stone throwers will be back.

The center should hold on to finance, home, security, agriculture, water resources and urban development and just leave the street and bathroom cleaning to muslims. Its high time that they learned to keep their environment hygenic and habitable without forcing the lower castes and so called dalits to do it for them

stone throwing etc are carefully evolved methods pioneered in palestine, and perfected in other areas of muslim conflict.

the handing over of jehadi dead bodies to the locals serious is a mistake. This is not allowed in any conflict zone, the public processions and the parading of such dead criminals should be curbed because it becomes a rallying point for the jehadi rantings, poisonous sermons and the focus of inimical forces arrayed against the state.

Some of these methods have been implemented at Tahrir Square in Egypt - The same thing happened in Ukraine against Russia. Hong Kong for 76 Days - there was havoc!

Some of these methods include - throwing stones at the police and our own security forces, destroying their pathways, blocking the roads, setting fire to fire engines - (what’s used to extinguish fire- burn it first so that everything else burns), placing women and children on the front lines of a protest, acid packets, molotov cocktails (petrol bombs), using the media to run negative campaigns, spread fake news, mislead people and turn our own people against the govt.
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https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... R9pmL.html

In Pak script for Kashmir, 230 terrorists in waiting mode at the border
Intelligence reports says 160 terrorists from Pakistan are waiting at launch pads across the Kashmir region and 70 more, across Jammu
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There are around 160 terrorists belonging to Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LeT), Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) and Hizbul Mujahideen (HM) are ready to infiltrate into the Valley from across the LoC in Kashmir, people tasked with the analysis of intelligence about terror movements and camps told HT.

In the Jammu sector along the international border, around 70 armed and trained terrorists are at the launch pads to infiltrate into this area through unfenced riverine and nullahs.

TERROR INFILTRATION ROUTES
Kashmir Sector
Gurez, Machchil, Keran, Tangdhar, Naugam and Uri
Jammu Sector
Jourian, Hira Nagar, Kathua, Samba and Jammu
Rajouri Sector
Poonch, Krishna Ghati, Bhimber Gali, Sunderbani and Naushera
According to counter-terror operatives, Jaish-e-Mohammed terrorists are camping at Samani-Bhimber and Dudhnial launch pads in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) and waiting for the first opportunity to infiltrate into J&K. Similarly, LeT has been sending its terrorist cadre to Leepa and Kel launching pads in Leepa Valley and Neelum Valley respectively to infiltrate into the Valley.

As part of its plan to intensify infiltration for terror strikes in J&K, the JeM terror group have been consolidating their trained cadre across the international border in Sialkot sector since February.

Intelligence inputs reveal that a group of armed JeM jihadists arrived at their Markaz in village Mundeke, Tehsil Daska in Sialkot district on 11 February 2020.
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https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/heavy-s ... es-2209754
Days After Deadly Encounter, India Targets Pak Ammo Dump, Releases Video
The Indian Army says the targets were precisely hit and follows an unprovoked ceasefire violation by Pakistan in the Keran sector of Kupwara in Jammu and Kashmir.
by Vishnu Som, April 10, 2020

New Delhi: Five days after five Special Forces soldiers were killed in a major high altitude encounter in Jammu and Kashmir's Kupwara, the Indian Army released drone footage of a major Indian retaliation in the same sector.
The aerial footage shows a Pakistani Army ammunition dump being hit by Indian Bofors artillery guns.
The video shows multiple explosions.
According to Indian Army sources, Pakistani terror launch pads, gun positions and an ammunition dump were targeted across the Line of Control.
The army says the targets were precisely hit and follows an unprovoked ceasefire violation by Pakistan in the Keran sector of Kupwara.
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Ambar wrote:
SBajwa wrote:Jaish-e-Mohammad terrorist commander Sajad Nawab Dar killed in encounter in Jammu and Kashmir's Sopore area
Good riddance. I don't understand why IA gives the body of slain pigs to their families. This swine's funeral saw thousands come on the streets as usual social distancing be damned.
See the positive side, if even 2 were Infected with the virus - they have infected each other. What could be easier way to get rid of these terrorists?
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https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... TVbyJ.html

Kashmiri terrorist got away 25 yrs ago, caught with ISKP chief in Afghanistan
Aijaz Ahangar was caught by Afghan forces along with the Islamic State ‘Khorasan Province’ chief Aslam Farooqui earlier this mont
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The sequence of events that blew up his carefully-crafted cover is still not clear. Counter-terror operatives in Delhi and Kabul, however, told Hindustan Times that it was only much later that they discovered that the April 4 raid had also netted Aijaz Ahmad Ahangar, the 55-year-old chief recruiter of the Islamic State Jammu & Kashmir.
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hat Aijaz Ahangar went to Pakistan via Bangladesh rather than undertake the treacherous and risky journey across the Line of Control, said one counter-terror official, reflected the family’s links with the Pakistani deep state.


Once in Pakistan, Aijaz Ahangar was initially settled in Islamabad by Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence. In 2008, according to intelligence reports, he also married Aiysha, a resident of Pakistan-occupied Kashmir.
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https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 4s6bO.html

Afghan forces intercept Taliban fighters, find Jaish terrorists training for Kashmir
Indian security officials are closely watching developments in Afghanistan with the Taliban all set to fight it out with the Ashraf Ghani regime after US withdraws its forces

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The Afghan forces had carried out a raid in Nangarhar’s Muhmand Dara at what was presumed to be a Taliban camp that led to a bloody gunfight. At the end of the clash that cost the Afghan security forces four lives on April 13-14 night, the security personnel discovered that only 5 of the 15 men they had killed were from the Afghan Taliban. The other 10 were Jaish-e-Mohammed terrorists being trained to fight in Jammu and Kashmir.

One Jaish terrorist survived the gunfight and was captured.

Counter-terror operatives in Delhi and Kabul told HT that the Masood Azhar-founded Jaish-e-Mohammed, which shares the same Deobandi umbilical cord with Taliban, appeared to be running three camps (called Mustaquil) along with four Taliban camps in Nangarhar province. The camps have been identified as Khogyani I, Khogyani II and Dargah camp in Nangarhar province and were lent by the Taliban in lieu of Haqqani network’s cadre being trained in JeM’s camps in Pakistan.
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4 soldiers martyred in Sopore today. It looks like as soon as the communication blockage and internet restrictions were lifted in Kashmir, its back to the old ways again. Pakistan's repeated shelling on the LOC also tells me that they are desperate for some sort of a short skirmish probably to boost the morale of their moth-eaten masses who are dropping like mosquitoes thanks to covid.
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https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/j ... 2020-04-18
J&K: Three CRPF jawans killed, 2 injured in militant attack in Sopore, LeT module claims responsibility
Three Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) troopers were killed and as many suffered injuries in a militant attack in the Sopore area of north Kashmir’s Baramulla district on Saturday.
Shuja-ul-Haq, Ashraf Wani, Srinagar, April 18, 2020

Three Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) troopers were killed and two suffered injuries in a militant attack in the Sopore area of north Kashmir's Baramulla district on Saturday. An outfit linked to Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) has claimed responsibility for the attack.
A newly formed terror group -- The Resistance Front (TRF) -- also known as JK Fighters, under the patronage of banned terror outfit LeT has claimed responsibility for the Sopore attack.
According to reports, the suspected militants opened fire at a joint party of CRPF and police at the Noorbagh near Ahad Bab's crossing.
In a statement, CRPF confirmed that three of its personnel attained martyrdom and two personnel were injured.
"Area had been cordoned off and search is on," the CRPF said.
The martyred CRPF jawans have been identified as: Head Constable Rajeev Sharma, Constable Kharadey and Contable Satpal. Meanwhile, Head Constable MC Ghosh and Constable Javaid have been injured in the attack.
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the security personnel discovered that only 5 of the 15 men they had killed were from the Afghan Taliban. The other 10 were Jaish-e-Mohammed terrorists being trained to fight in Jammu and Kashmir.
Won't more terrorists mean worse problems for afghan soldiers. trying to be just a little clear about more terrorists in camps from other countries. A terror camp brought down means a lot more than just helping themselves.
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Ambar wrote: boost the morale of their moth-eaten masses who are dropping like mosquitoes thanks to covid.
What is the rate of infections and deaths due to COVID in TSP?
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They claim around 7500 infections and 140 deaths. We are talking about a country where people take visas and come to India for the simplest of surgeries. Pakistan borders Iran which many say has either the highest or second highest number of covid related deaths in the world, official numbers be damned. With a economy in the toilet, where the PM has to form policies for naan and tomatoes , currency in a free fall and a pandemic to battle, its no wonder its military wants a war with India to rally the masses, otherwise sooner or later the unwashed abduls will turn against their masters as they did in 2000s.
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Better erect an impregnable wall on our western border to keep away the hordes from entering our nation as Pukistan implodes.
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Unfortunately, I foresee the use of deadly force to keep Pakistanis out.
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VKumar wrote:Better erect an impregnable wall on our western border to keep away the hordes from entering our nation as Pukistan implodes.
The only real problem is not the lack of border fencing, but the existence and influence of bleeding hearts and traitors.
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Bart S wrote:
VKumar wrote:Better erect an impregnable wall on our western border to keep away the hordes from entering our nation as Pukistan implodes.
The only real problem is not the lack of border fencing, but the existence and influence of bleeding hearts and traitors.
Yes at this time I'm more worried about the enemy within to TBH! The lynching of the sadhus won't go down well and people are likely very edgy right now. Along with the jahilis. The lefties and jehadis with ISI are making their play. Buggers are building up to something nasty. Probly with Bengal at the core and other places as well.

Hopefully MAD are wise to it and preempting as necessary. Frankly, I'm truly amazed that Modi hasn't been more aggressive in prosecuting these buggers. The ones mouthing off with narrative pieces first.
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Buggers are building up to something nasty. Probly with Bengal at the core and other places as well.
Why should Indian state lower its guard for shyt virus from Wuhan because it is going to hit pakis just as well. The jihadis are going to be splattered with the shyt everywhere if they do the jihadi circus for shyt virus from Wuhan.. wait they already have strains from China east Asia and Iran already and still don't understand this.
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Cain Marko wrote:
Bart S wrote:
The only real problem is not the lack of border fencing, but the existence and influence of bleeding hearts and traitors.
Yes at this time I'm more worried about the enemy within to TBH! The lynching of the sadhus won't go down well and people are likely very edgy right now. Along with the jahilis. The lefties and jehadis with ISI are making their play. Buggers are building up to something nasty. Probly with Bengal at the core and other places as well.

Hopefully MAD are wise to it and preempting as necessary. Frankly, I'm truly amazed that Modi hasn't been more aggressive in prosecuting these buggers. The ones mouthing off with narrative pieces first.

All true, but my basic point was that the idea of "building a large wall" to keep Paki awaam out is absolutely useless (though security perimeter/fencing etc to deter infiltration is very much required obviously). There is no use in having a wall if bleeding hearts and 'a monkey asha' types ensure that they get visas and refugee status and can simply walk in via Wagah or Samjhauta express. The saving grace is that thanks to social media and repeated terrorist attacks in India, the average Indian citizen has no tolerance for this nonsense.
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Bart S wrote:[. The saving grace is that thanks to social media and repeated terrorist attacks in India, the average Indian citizen has no tolerance for this nonsense.
Agree with the rest.

I wonder if this is the bif plan... Internal chaos via organized violence since GOI has pretty nicely squelched terrorist attacks for the most part since 2014 ish.
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Cain Marko wrote:
Bart S wrote:[. The saving grace is that thanks to social media and repeated terrorist attacks in India, the average Indian citizen has no tolerance for this nonsense.
Agree with the rest.

I wonder if this is the bif plan... Internal chaos via organized violence since GOI has pretty nicely squelched terrorist attacks for the most part since 2014 ish.
Very much so. In fact the Pakis have been orchestrating the Shaheen Bagh stuff with on the ground support from their leftist allies, and using social media to radicalize people, spreading videos instigating people not to cooperate with COVID medical teams etc. Most of these Indian Muslim sounding handles are actually Pakis. After the changes in J&K they have moved on to this as they can't do much there.
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