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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Anujan » 15 Aug 2019 22:57

F the UNSC

It has two countries that despatched millions of their own population: Stalin and Mao, together they killed more people than Hitler.

Another country which had colonized the whole world and wrought untold miseries upon the people

Another one whose country was built on the genocide of natives, and economy was built on the back of slavery

That leaves what? France? They had colonies but were kind of okay with the whole Liberty thing.

We are going to have moral pontification from these five, because yet another country whose international importance is based on the fact that they are a base of the taliban wrote a letter to them?

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby banrjeer » 15 Aug 2019 23:18

Long term The Karakoram Highway would be a lot more valuable if it had exits to India.

Gwadar port can potentially be rendered dysfunctional with planned tension escalation.

It may be a good time to make soft deals withi China based on cards which GOI has better idea of

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Postby Supratik » 15 Aug 2019 23:40

Actually the French killed a million people in Algeria and another million in Vietnam before the Americans.

The Chinese and Pakis are spooked that a play for POK may happen and their 60 billion dollar investment will go kaput. India should assure China of transit rights should such a thing happen.

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Postby CRamS » 15 Aug 2019 23:42

I think this whole closed door hearing is to give some H&D to TSP and do some equal equal with India. I doubt any binding notice will be issued. At best a little bit of embarrassment to ModiJi, but can be safely ignored.

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Postby kvraghav » 15 Aug 2019 23:47

The thing that surprises me most is the way we are buying Chinese handsets and buy mg hector cars. Are we so shameless to just hold candles during terrorist attack but to give money to their govt in every way we can.

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Postby UlanBatori » 15 Aug 2019 23:56

So the point of the cheen exercise is so that their pooch can start barking that THE UNSC HAS CONDOMMED INDIAN AGGRESSION IN KASHMIR!
and PAKISTAN (read Dimran) HAS INTERNATIONALIZED THE CORE ISSUE! It is closed doors so that the cheen can beg the others, saying "look, Dimran's ass has a target painted on it, he's bawling, do you want to deal with the next military dictator or the Jehad in Pindi?"

Bad part from Indian pov is that this noise will be loud in the near future, esp. from the "Indian" rats.

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Postby UlanBatori » 15 Aug 2019 23:57

CRamS wrote:I think this whole closed door hearing is to give some H&D to TSP and do some equal equal with India. I doubt any binding notice will be issued. At best a little bit of embarrassment to ModiJi, but can be safely ignored.


I agree.


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Postby Prasad » 16 Aug 2019 00:31

Uh the French were colonisers who pillaged and destroyed temples in Pondicherry. As EJ as the rest of the lot.

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Postby chetak » 16 Aug 2019 00:33

vijayk wrote:Right now with most countries and UN ignoring, it has been left to the terrorist EJ/Jihadi/Left/BBC/CNN/NYT/WaPo/Alzazeera networks to stoke the flames of Islamist violence to hurt India. They are blackmailing Indian traitors to come forward and press the case of Pakis in India. Otherwise, they will be exposed like Shoba De. I see more and more articles from likes Coupta/Nitin Pai/BDutt asking the protests to be allowed



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Shoba De is a goat. Has been promptly sacrificed by her handlers on EiD. Wonderful.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby pankajs » 16 Aug 2019 00:40

CRamS wrote:I think this whole closed door hearing is to give some H&D to TSP and do some equal equal with India. I doubt any binding notice will be issued. At best a little bit of embarrassment to ModiJi, but can be safely ignored.

Exactly!

They can take solace that UNSC took "notice" of Indo-pak situation after a long time. They can claim that as "victory" with their awam but that is about it.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby chola » 16 Aug 2019 00:45

Supratik wrote:Actually the French killed a million people in Algeria and another million in Vietnam before the Americans.



I was about to say. And let's not forget the slave trading of Africans and genocide of native populations all over North America and the Caribbean. The basket case of Haiti today is an example of French colonial legacy -- genocide of original AmerIndians leaving behind a dysfunctional state composed of descendents of slaves brought over from Africa.

Not listening that bunch of hypocritical bast@rds over J&K. We do what is right for us.

There is no "good" guy on the Council. So F the UNSC is right.

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Postby chetak » 16 Aug 2019 00:50

banrjeer wrote:Long term The Karakoram Highway would be a lot more valuable if it had exits to India.

Gwadar port can potentially be rendered dysfunctional with planned tension escalation.

It may be a good time to make soft deals withi China based on cards which GOI has better idea of


the hans are desperately looking at perpetually assured, unconditional and irrevocable access to the Indian markets and exporting their goods, brick and mortar industries as well as their han workforce to advantageous locales in India.

their methodology has been tried and tested and it works alarmingly well in the asian milieu.

had the mafia been in power, the hans would have bribed their way into India a long time ago and we would be stuck big time with our national testimonials in a han bear trap.

Modi's return, stronger than before, has been a horrendous shock for xi peng, a shock even greater perhaps, than the one that jolted the mafia and their commie henchmen from the BIF brigade.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby syam » 16 Aug 2019 01:41

So what's going to happen next?

My bet is talk shows. Kashmir/bjp/Modiji will feature in atleast one show as main topic.

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Postby Rudradev » 16 Aug 2019 01:43

Has Hassan Minhaj yapped about J&K/370 yet? I fully expect him to.

John Oliver has been conspicuously silent, meanwhile. Only a passing reference to Modi's re-election in May (and nothing at all pejorative about it). This week's episode was about Turkeminstan, no mention of J&K. I don't think he referred to Pulwama-Balakot-Nowshera at all.

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Postby syam » 16 Aug 2019 01:58

Not yet, rdji. they have to consider their target audience too, I guess. most of the younger generations don't care about kashmir. even if they care, they are too busy with trump to do anything.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Bart S » 16 Aug 2019 01:59

Rudradev wrote:Has Hassan Minhaj yapped about J&K/370 yet? I fully expect him to.

John Oliver has been conspicuously silent, meanwhile. Only a passing reference to Modi's re-election in May (and nothing at all pejorative about it). This week's episode was about Turkeminstan, no mention of J&K. I don't think he referred to Pulwama-Balakot-Nowshera at all.


Yes he has and spouted the typical leftie view. Called it section 370 which shows how clueless he is.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby mmasand » 16 Aug 2019 02:09

Rudradev wrote:Has Hassan Minhaj yapped about J&K/370 yet? I fully expect him to.

John Oliver has been conspicuously silent, meanwhile. Only a passing reference to Modi's re-election in May (and nothing at all pejorative about it). This week's episode was about Turkeminstan, no mention of J&K. I don't think he referred to Pulwama-Balakot-Nowshera at all.


Your intuition proved right, he did yap today about 370 and referred to it as a 'section'. None of this foreign media gloating will matter in a few months from now. UNSC and it's charade will fade away in less than a week. Ever heard Israel being affected by motions passed at the UNSC?

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Rudradev » 16 Aug 2019 02:21

Most recent coverage from ET makes no mention of Russia taking a stance that is at all different from its consistent pro-India position.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 685173.cms

Russia backs India as China takes Pakistani line at UN
Moscow has made it clear that the matter is bilateral in nature and UN has no role in it.


While China may try to initiate informal consultations in on Kashmir at the behest of all-weather ally India's traditional partner Russia is trying to discourage any discussion in the council on the issue.

On August 14, at the initiative of the Pakistani side, a telephone conversation took place between Sergey Lavrov, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, and Mr. S.M. Qureshi, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan; said an official statement from Russia.

The situation in South Asia was discussed amid the worsening relations between Pakistan and India after New Delhi changed the legal status of the state of Jammu and Kashmir. The Russian side emphasized the need for de-escalation of tensions, and that there is no alternative to resolve differences between Pakistan and India except bilaterally through political and diplomatic means. Representatives of Russia to the UN adhere to this consistent position, Russia said in a statement issued in Moscow.

Moscow has made it clear that the matter is bilateral in nature and UN has no role in it. Delhi and Moscow remain engaged on the issue and the matter will be on the agenda when PM Narendra Modi travels to Vladivostok for Eastern Economic Forum and annual summit September 4-6. Moscow will hold monthly rotating presidency of UNSC in September.

Last Saturday Russia became the first P-5 country to describe India's move on Kashmir as internal and called for resolution under the Shimla Agreement of 1972. Traditionally, Moscow supported India's position on Kashmir and erstwhile Soviet Union vetoed number of resolutions on Kashmir in UNSC during the Cold War period.

India, on its part, is trying to deter the Chinese move through other members of UNSC including permanent member France. Members of the European Union, who are currently in UNSC, may also be inclined to support India after EU gave a statement describing Kashmir as a bilateral issue between India and Pakistan refusing to internationalise it.

"The European Union supports a bilateral political solution between India and Pakistan over Kashmir, which remains the only way to solve a long-lasting dispute that causes instability and insecurity in the region," according to the statement.

ET had earlier reported that Pakistan will find it difficult to initiate formal consultations in UNSC on Kashmir and push for informal consultations. Pakistan has also failed to include Kashmir issue in the Any Other Business category in UNSC last week. Even as Islamabad asked for an emergency meeting of UNSC on Kashmir, Pak Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi himself admitted that Pakistan's support is on the wane due to India's economic prowess.

Addressing a press conference on Monday, he said many countries in the world have economic interests in India. "Though we happen to talk about the Ummah and Islam, the guardians of Ummah have made investments and have interests in India, which is a market of one billion people," he said, without naming any state. While traditional Pak ally UAE has described India's move as internal, Saudi Arabia has entered into a major energy deal with India.

He then observed that no one was waiting for Pakistan at the Security Council, and added that any of the P5 members could create an obstacle.

"Do you have any doubt? You shouldnt have any," he told to reporters adding that people should not live in a fools paradise. "Let the people of Pakistan and Kashmir be aware of it ... As such the atmosphere is not favourable [for us]."

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Vips » 16 Aug 2019 02:43

UlanBatori wrote:So the point of the cheen exercise is so that their pooch can start barking that THE UNSC HAS CONDOMMED INDIAN AGGRESSION IN KASHMIR!
and PAKISTAN (read Dimran) HAS INTERNATIONALIZED THE CORE ISSUE! It is closed doors so that the cheen can beg the others, saying "look, Dimran's ass has a target painted on it, he's bawling, do you want to deal with the next military dictator or the Jehad in Pindi?"

Bad part from Indian pov is that this noise will be loud in the near future, esp. from the "Indian" rats.


Qureshi is already claiming that the present pakistani team/administration has been successful in doing what the others have not been able to do - "Make UN take notice of Kashmir and raising it successfully before it for the first time in 5 decades" :lol:
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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Rishirishi » 16 Aug 2019 02:45

Take it easy, The world won't bother.

I list some reasons.

1 The world has far greater issues and hardly understand what 370 is, and neither are they interested. The ones who are are baffled by the provision in the first place.

2 There are no dramatic pictures, that the media can use to increase there viewership.

3 Even if there are mass protests what will the world do? If India withdraws from the Kashmir, the area will become another anarchy like Syria, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan etc.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby banrjeer » 16 Aug 2019 02:48

chetak wrote:
banrjeer wrote:Long term The Karakoram Highway would be a lot more valuable if it had exits to India.

Gwadar port can potentially be rendered dysfunctional with planned tension escalation.

It may be a good time to make soft deals withi China based on cards which GOI has better idea of


the hans are desperately looking at perpetually assured, unconditional and irrevocable access to the Indian markets and exporting their goods, brick and mortar industries as well as their han workforce to advantageous locales in India.

their methodology has been tried and tested and it works alarmingly well in the asian milieu.....


And that should be leveraged. The customer is king..If someone invests so much to bring a product to ones doorstep then its worth a look. But a sales should contribute to the "umm...eventual dismemberment".

As for UNSC hogwash... no country expects India to back down on 370, they are making some ritualistic noises. As for popular perception as portrayed on NYT, CNN.. Desis were never faves of the Hassan Minhaj types anyway so theres nothing lost.

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Postby IndraD » 16 Aug 2019 02:59

Today Pakistani thugs from all over UK protesting against 370 abrogation arrived at Indian commission London and unleashed mayhem for many hours.
Traffic came to stand still , horse mounted police were beaten back and scared crowd hoping to celebrate Indian independence took refuge in high commission
https://twitter.com/KanchanGupta/status ... 91104?s=20
(sky news clip included)

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby ramana » 16 Aug 2019 03:58

UlanBatori wrote:
CRamS wrote:I think this whole closed door hearing is to give some H&D to TSP and do some equal equal with India. I doubt any binding notice will be issued. At best a little bit of embarrassment to ModiJi, but can be safely ignored.


I agree.



I think its to protect China's own record on Hong Kong and Uighurs which could be on the table.

Its not an embarrassment to India for its a local issue.

If folks think hard this is the same de-facto legitimization of LOC that MMS had tried many times with omlette slurper without a sellout.

And no giving up Siachen as peace park that Ajay Shukla Track Poo had tried.
So what is the Lootyens crying for?
NaMo has given what they tried to sell India down the river for over 2004-2014 decade and even made Hindu terror charade for this.
MMS wanted a Nobull for this.
And that dumb book Accidental PM was written to exonerate him.


And POJK is still on table as unfinished business.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby ramana » 16 Aug 2019 04:01

chetak, They tried before and during the elections to back the wrong horse.
All those Pappu Jhappi sessions with Chinese envoy were for that only.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby ramana » 16 Aug 2019 04:04

Have you noticed how Dimmy diatribe against RSS is leading to Hindu consolidation across the nation.
In fact bout Burkha Dutt and Unfair didi admonished him on this matter. :)

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Rishirishi » 16 Aug 2019 04:10

IndraD wrote:Today Pakistani thugs from all over UK protesting against 370 abrogation arrived at Indian commission London and unleashed mayhem for many hours.
Traffic came to stand still , horse mounted police were beaten back and scared crowd hoping to celebrate Indian independence took refuge in high commission
https://twitter.com/KanchanGupta/status ... 91104?s=20
(sky news clip included)


Considering the numbers of Pakistani origin people in England (almost 60% of the British Pakistanis are Mirpuris, POK), this demonstrations is a belly flop for Pakistan.

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Postby ramana » 16 Aug 2019 04:21

Ok Here is a report:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-indi ... SKCN1V51AL

Four people were arrested for affray, obstruction of police and possession of an offensive weapon, police said.

“One person was injured during the demonstrations,” they said.

A Reuters photograph showed police carrying away a large curved knife from the protest.



I think there were ISIS inspired fellows in the protests.

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J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Peregrine » 16 Aug 2019 04:21

X Posted on the Terroristan Thread

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Postby vera_k » 16 Aug 2019 04:22

Seeing that the USA is considering purchasing Greenland, maybe time is right to float an initial bid for POJK.

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Postby Guddu » 16 Aug 2019 05:56

Kashi wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:I know this sound OT but it is not. I need help with a medical term. What is the most important artery/vein in the u-no-what, that controls erectness? :oops:


Gonadial??


I like "Pustular Vein" :rotfl:

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby krithivas » 16 Aug 2019 06:16

"O.C. Biryani (North India)" Arundati Roy is baaaaaaaaack:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/15/opin ... -modi.html

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Postby UlanBatori » 16 Aug 2019 07:24

Tomorrow UNSC is planning to fa*t on Kashmir in "closed door" : WTH is that?
In fact I would say that UNSC's credibility is on the line. If they say anything bad, it is time for India to consider leaving UN: how can UNSC have Closed Door meeting on an internal matter of the world's largest democracy, home to 1/6th of humans? The Chinese snakes have no business being there in the first place. If they are not going to discuss Uighurs, Tibetans, Guantanamo detainees, US border detainees, Russian detainees, British Northern Ireland detainees... France's mass murder of the Islamists in Mali... UK's illegally detaining an Iranian tanker with an Indian crew.
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Postby CRamS » 16 Aug 2019 07:29

I couldn't read dhoti's crap beyond one para. Same theme, Hindus under ModiJi fascist, KMs and Muslims innocent victims. Should please TSP just fine.

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Postby Raj_N » 16 Aug 2019 08:26

UlanBatori wrote:Tomorrow UNSC is planning to fa*t on Kashmir in "closed door" : WTH is that?
In fact I would say that UNSC's credibility is on the line. If they say anything bad, it is time for India to consider leaving UN: how can UNSC have Closed Door meeting on an internal matter of the world's largest democracy, home to 1/6th of humans? The Chinese snakes have no business being there in the first place. If they are not going to discuss Uighurs, Tibetans, Guantanamo detainees, US border detainees, Russian detainees, British Northern Ireland detainees... France's mass murder of the Islamists in Mali... UK's illegally detaining an Iranian tanker with an Indian crew.


Introduction: Newbie first post. Live in the US.

My understanding is this is informal discussion. One vague neutral statement will be issued? Most likely “human rights” will be there. Amazingly China and Paki talking about human rights.

I just read a column in Daily Times: apparently no Chinese came to the Beijing airport to receive Qureshi (not even a peon).

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Postby Raj_N » 16 Aug 2019 08:30

Pardon me if this has been posted. Me and my sister live in different states in the US. Hindu American Foundation has sent letter templates which we have sent to WH, US House rep and 2 senators for both the states.

Template as below:
Dear [Sen. or Rep. Last Name OR President Trump]:

As a supporter of the Hindu American Foundation (HAF), I would like to inform you of the recent administrative steps taken by the Government of India to bring peace and justice to the people of Jammu and Kashmir.

I fully support the Indian Parliament’s repeal of Articles 370 and 35A of the Indian Constitution because it will fully integrate the residents of Jammu and Kashmir, and Ladakh into the rest of India and apply one set of equal laws across the country. For over 70 years, the people of Jammu and Kashmir have suffered under these provisions, which were originally intended to be temporary. Now, the people of Jammu and Kashmir and Ladakh, regardless of religion, socio-economic status, or gender will have the same rights and educational/economic opportunities that all the people of India enjoy.

Further, the corrupt ruling families in Kashmir who have maintained a tight grip on local government, who personally profited from economic development projects, and who have supported criminal acts and terrorism will no longer govern with impunity. In short, the steps taken by the government of India within its own borders were done legally and it has brought freedom to the people of Kashmir, established universal law and order, and will bring justice to those who have suffered under a discriminatory system.

The U.S.-India relationship is the cornerstone for achieving the mutual interests of both nations in the Indo-Pacific region. Rooting out Pakistan’s cross-border terror network and the recent moves by the government of India in Jammu and Kashmir are both major steps in that effort. I urge you and your colleagues to support these efforts as I do.

Please work with HAF to learn more about the history of Kashmir, the current events taking place, and encourage your colleagues to support the government of India as they take the courageous steps necessary to bring peace and justice to the region.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

[INSERT YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby komal » 16 Aug 2019 08:56

krithivas wrote:"O.C. Biryani (North India)" Arundati Roy is baaaaaaaaack:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/15/opin ... -modi.html


Did the NYT mention that she did an == between Bush and bin Laden after 9/11?

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Postby g.sarkar » 16 Aug 2019 09:09

Supratik wrote:Actually the French killed a million people in Algeria and another million in Vietnam before the Americans.
The Chinese and Pakis are spooked that a play for POK may happen and their 60 billion dollar investment will go kaput. India should assure China of transit rights should such a thing happen.

Chacha Nehru had assured China that India would allow goods to pass through Aksai Chin through the roads that it had built through our area. Did that make any difference? In such power games such assurances are dime a dozen.
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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby khan » 16 Aug 2019 09:36

Netizen wrote:
Introduction: Newbie first post. Live in the US.

My understanding is this is informal discussion. One vague neutral statement will be issued? Most likely “human rights” will be there. Amazingly China and Paki talking about human rights.

I just read a column in Daily Times: apparently no Chinese came to the Beijing airport to receive Qureshi (not even a peon).

The problem isn’t this one statement. The problem could be the next one after curfew is lifted. Or the one after that when internet service is resorted. Or the one even after that when India gets back POK.

India has spent 50 years keeping J&K out of the UN & this is a problem.

This is how diplomacy works, it moves very slowly, but it moves firmly & irreversibly.

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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Postby Sandrokottos » 16 Aug 2019 10:13

Regardless of what the UN does, if it loses the faith of India, the largest democracy, home to 1/6th of humanity, it is an unjustifiable loss for the UN.

Lately, it has become a haven for terrorist/dysfunctional nations, who pass judgment and censure liberal democracies.

It is about time someone cremates this stinking corpse of an institution. The world has changed and India has long since moved on from caring about this maggot-riddled detritus.

Let them do whatever they please, however, those who are foolish enough to pontificate will have to face the consequences. Let us remind the world about what the consequences of crossing India are, that would be the best reply (Trump just got his reply for Afghanisthan blunder).


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