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Ladakh Union Territory- 2019

Postby arshyam » 09 Aug 2019 10:53

Opening per ramana sir's request.

Continuing from the previous J&K State thread: viewtopic.php?p=2370691#p2370691

Will add some introductory content in the evening, please fill in the meantime if anyone else has the time.

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Re: Ladakh Union Territory- 2019

Postby arshyam » 09 Aug 2019 11:01

deleted. will find a better map.


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Re: Ladakh Union Territory- 2019

Postby Suraj » 09 Aug 2019 11:58

The most interesting thing about Ladakh UT is what Modi mentioned in his speech - that while J&K has an intended path back to statehood, Ladakh will remain a UT. It’s clear the intent is that center will continue to control Ladakh.

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Re: Ladakh Union Territory- 2019

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https://thelogicalindian.com/news/ladak ... ry-status/
Ladakh Rejoices As It Gets Union Territory Status, No Legislature A Concern
Arjun Sharma Jammu and Kashmir, August 6th, 2019
Leh, Jammu and Kashmir: “This is the best gift given by the central government to the people of Ladakh who always had to take the burden of Kashmir’s hegemony,” said Member of Parliament from Ladakh Jamyang Tsering Namgyal amid huge applause in the Lok Sabha on Tuesday.
Just after Union Home Minister Amit Shah declared the removal of Article 370 and decided to grant a Union Territory (UT) status to the region on Monday, celebrations and congratulatory messages started and went on till Tuesday in Ladakh. Residents of Ladakh were promised the UT status by the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) in 2014 before the parliamentary polls. However, their wish wasn’t fulfilled. In 2019, Ladakhis trusted the BJP again and after a long wait, the inhabitants of the arid region received what they were promised.
In 2018, former BJP MP from Ladakh Thupstan Chhewang had resigned citing that the UT status was the demand of people since long and the party was not able to meet it. The issue created uproar in the region with people vowing to vote against the BJP in 2019. However, after the local and national BJP leadership intervened, the BJP candidate Jamyang Tsering Namgyal won the 2019 polls by a huge margin.
Apart from the UT status, Ladakhis were also overjoyed by the revoking of Article 370, which was considered discriminatory by the residents of Jammu and Ladakh. MP Namgyal said Ladakh wanted to get separated from Kashmir for more than 30 years due to the discrimination faced by the locals.
In February, Ladakh was granted divisional status with a separate divisional commissioner, Inspector General of Police and division level offices. However, Ladakhis had intensified the agitation and started demonstrations demanding UT status.
In 2016, at least 40 delegations, including representatives of political, religious and social organizations had met with the former Union Home Minister Rajnath Singh during his visit to Leh.
‘Away from violent Kashmir’
Tashi Wangail, a travel agent in Leh district, said that Kashmir-based political parties including Peoples Democratic Party and National Conference had always given step-motherly treatment to Ladakh with regards to development and employment of youth. “With our own UT and power in our hands, we will not be required to look at others for financial assistance. Ladakh is already a popular tourist place, and it will become an exotic destination for tourists from around the world as we are not a part of violent Kashmir anymore,” he said.
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Re: Ladakh Union Territory- 2019

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Posting this video for posterity!


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Re: Ladakh Union Territory- 2019

Postby ArjunPandit » 09 Aug 2019 14:31

Ladkah has small population over a very large area

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Re: Ladakh Union Territory- 2019

Postby Dileep » 09 Aug 2019 18:44

Watching Shri Namgyal brought into my mind two mallu quips, translated as follows:

1. This IS MP. An MP should be this.
2. It is when I see this guy that I feel to chuck my own MP into the well.

What a guy!!

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Re: Ladakh Union Territory- 2019

Postby Varoon Shekhar » 09 Aug 2019 19:49

Nice map of J&K! I was just wondering, in that bottom south-east section bordering Tibet/China, is that all under Indian administration? I recall seeing some maps with a small section being shown as Chinese territory.
A_Gupta wrote:https://www.mapsofindia.com/my-india/india/maps-of-the-union-territories-of-jammu-kashmir-and-ladakh-proposed

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Re: Ladakh Union Territory- 2019

Postby vasu raya » 09 Aug 2019 20:41

For Ladakh, there are already plans of massive solar power plants given the barren land, they can extend it to cold storage facilities for Food Corporation of India as temperatures are already low, any food surplus produced across India can be stored there. Probably closer to the new rail line being built between delhi-manali-leh

if captive power power plants exist, they can use it to lift water from IWT rivers ala Kaleshwaram project in Telangana, better use than losing power to grid losses

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Re: Ladakh Union Territory- 2019

Postby g.sarkar » 10 Aug 2019 05:05

https://www.news18.com/news/world/sri-l ... 64209.html
Sri Lankan Buddhist Leaders Hail India's Decision on Ladakh, Say it Will Take Ties Between Countries to a 'Higher Plane'
The remarks came after India revoked the special status of Jammu and Kashmir by modifying Article 370, and decided to bifurcate the state into two union territories of Jammu and Kashmir and Ladakh.
August 9, 2019.
India’s decision of separating Ladakh, a majority Buddhist population region from Jammu and Kashmir by bifurcating the state into two union territories, was hailed by Sri Lanka’s high-ranking and most revered Buddhist monks, the Mahanayake Theras of the Malwatte and Asgiriya Chapters of the Siyam Nikaya, in a statement issued Thursday.
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'Ladakh will be the first Indian state with Buddhist majority': Sri Lankan PM Ranil Wickremesinghe
Sri Lankan PM says Ladakh is worth a visit.
Aug 6, 2019.
In a somewhat unexpected reaction, Sri Lankan PM Ranil Wickramasinghe has hailed the formation of Ladakh, which has been carved out as a Union Territory after the bifurcation of Jammu and Kashmir post revocation of Article 370. Wickramasinghe, PM of Buddhist majority Sri Lanka pointed out that Ladakh will be the first Buddhist majority state of India.
He tweeted:
Ladakh will become an Indian State. With 70% of Ladakh’s population being Buddhist it will be the first Indian state with a Buddhist majority. Creation of Ladakh and consequential restructuring is India’s internal matter, it is a beautiful region well worth a visit.
— Ranil Wickremesinghe, August 6, 2019
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Re: Ladakh Union Territory- 2019

Postby Dileep » 10 Aug 2019 07:00

Corrected the map. We can't have paki name on BRF! Source attributed to mapsofindia. Posted under fair use principle onlee.

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Postby Mukhi » 10 Aug 2019 11:31

Suraj wrote:The most interesting thing about Ladakh UT is what Modi mentioned in his speech - that while J&K has an intended path back to statehood, Ladakh will remain a UT. It’s clear the intent is that center will continue to control Ladakh.


I my self was wondering about it and was trying to understand the WHY part of it.

Is Border Settlement with China pogrssing well enough to the point where it seems within reach and hence need to keep control with center? What other possibilities?

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Postby NRao » 10 Aug 2019 11:35

Mukhi wrote:
Suraj wrote:The most interesting thing about Ladakh UT is what Modi mentioned in his speech - that while J&K has an intended path back to statehood, Ladakh will remain a UT. It’s clear the intent is that center will continue to control Ladakh.


I my self was wondering about it and was trying to understand the WHY part of it.

Is Border Settlement with China pogrssing well enough to the point where it seems within reach and hence need to keep control with center? What other possibilities?


Depends on China. The question is has China agreed to retreat from that portion of Ladhak that they grabbed?

(The home Minister of India did say that when he says J&K it means ALL of J&K. Nothing to negotiate there.)

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Postby arshyam » 10 Aug 2019 11:54

NRao wrote:(The home Minister of India did say that when he says J&K it means ALL of J&K. Nothing to negotiate there.)

He specifically included Aksai Chin also in that statement.

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Postby NRao » 10 Aug 2019 11:59

arshyam wrote:
NRao wrote:(The home Minister of India did say that when he says J&K it means ALL of J&K. Nothing to negotiate there.)

He specifically included Aksai Chin also in that statement.


And, "PoK". Just to be clear.

OT, I am surprised he did not include Lahore. But, I guess we should not overload on mithai. ?????

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Postby Karthik S » 10 Aug 2019 17:26

NRao wrote:
arshyam wrote:He specifically included Aksai Chin also in that statement.


And, "PoK". Just to be clear.

OT, I am surprised he did not include Lahore. But, I guess we should not overload on mithai. ?????


Lahore ?

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Postby Vayutuvan » 11 Aug 2019 05:00

Karthik S wrote:Lahore ?


IIRC, Lahore had slightly more than 50% Hindu population at the time of partition. As for China, it is highly unlikely they will let go of Aksai Chin or Sakshagam Valley. Both parts are very strategic due to Karakoram Highway as well as CPEC.

What would they get in return for those two? Would India stop supporting Dalai Lama? We would endorse China on its claim to Taiwan and stand with them in the UN? The latter would require a larger payback for India - something like Aksai Chin, Manasarovar, and Kailash. If we cut Dalai Lama loose, then we need China to decrease their meddling in Nepal at least.

That said, what is there in it for China to change the status quo at this point?!!!

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Re: Ladakh Union Territory- 2019

Postby akashganga » 11 Aug 2019 08:03

Making Ladakh as union territory is the best thing Modi sarkar has done. Ladaki people deserve this. I wish congress govt in 1950s had done that. Ladaki people have suffered under kashmiri muslim rule for 70 years. Muslim rulers make life hell for kafirs specially hindus and buddhists. I am sure in the decades to come Ladakh under direct Delhi rule will prosper. Cheers.

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Re: Ladakh Union Territory- 2019

Postby manjgu » 11 Aug 2019 10:46

1) everybody states maximal positions in statements and nobody loses sleep. India wants Aksai Chin, India wants POK, Pakis want J&K etc. all can lay claims but everybody knows whats feasible / possible.2) I think there is a great need to shape a new narrative for J&K. The kashmiris have been brought up on lot of BS. I met a kashmir family in 2017 staying in the house of ex lama at Choglamsar ( 8 km from Leh). we had a little talk. He denies pathans raided KAshmir ,that there was rape/plunder most notably in Baramulla. He said UN plebiscite hona chaiye. I said have u read UN resolutions, he said NO. I said pakistan has to vacate POK, allow indian forces in POK and then plebiscite can happen. He said thats not true. He has been told my imam sahib about UN plebiscite. I said do u think Imam sahib has read UN resolutions? I said do u know Pakistan has settled in POK to alter demography? has given part of princely state of J&K to china. he said no way this has happened.

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Postby SBajwa » 11 Aug 2019 10:56

Vayutuvan wrote:
Karthik S wrote:Lahore ?


IIRC, Lahore had slightly more than 50% Hindu population at the time of partition. As for China, it is highly unlikely they will let go of Aksai Chin or Sakshagam Valley. Both parts are very strategic due to Karakoram Highway as well as CPEC.

What would they get in return for those two? Would India stop supporting Dalai Lama? We would endorse China on its claim to Taiwan and stand with them in the UN? The latter would require a larger payback for India - something like Aksai Chin, Manasarovar, and Kailash. If we cut Dalai Lama loose, then we need China to decrease their meddling in Nepal at least.

That said, what is there in it for China to change the status quo at this point?!!!


In 1947, The choice was to pick either Calcutta or Lahore! and Mr. Nehru picked Calcutta!

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Postby kittoo » 11 Aug 2019 11:21

SBajwa wrote:
Vayutuvan wrote:
IIRC, Lahore had slightly more than 50% Hindu population at the time of partition. As for China, it is highly unlikely they will let go of Aksai Chin or Sakshagam Valley. Both parts are very strategic due to Karakoram Highway as well as CPEC.

What would they get in return for those two? Would India stop supporting Dalai Lama? We would endorse China on its claim to Taiwan and stand with them in the UN? The latter would require a larger payback for India - something like Aksai Chin, Manasarovar, and Kailash. If we cut Dalai Lama loose, then we need China to decrease their meddling in Nepal at least.

That said, what is there in it for China to change the status quo at this point?!!!


In 1947, The choice was to pick either Calcutta or Lahore! and Mr. Nehru picked Calcutta!


But....didnt calcutta have much more than 50% Hindu majority? Then how was that even in contention? We shoulve asked for both, fair and square.
Ive heard that there was a choice given between Lahore and Amritsar though, as both had around 50-50 split. True?

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Postby Karthik S » 11 Aug 2019 11:23

SBajwa wrote:
Vayutuvan wrote:
IIRC, Lahore had slightly more than 50% Hindu population at the time of partition. As for China, it is highly unlikely they will let go of Aksai Chin or Sakshagam Valley. Both parts are very strategic due to Karakoram Highway as well as CPEC.

What would they get in return for those two? Would India stop supporting Dalai Lama? We would endorse China on its claim to Taiwan and stand with them in the UN? The latter would require a larger payback for India - something like Aksai Chin, Manasarovar, and Kailash. If we cut Dalai Lama loose, then we need China to decrease their meddling in Nepal at least.

That said, what is there in it for China to change the status quo at this point?!!!


In 1947, The choice was to pick either Calcutta or Lahore! and Mr. Nehru picked Calcutta!


SBajwa sir, do you know why bandit was anti PJ? I mean majority who voted for 2TN were from BH and UP, but country was sliced in 'greater punjab'. I was told by a colleague that bandit held some grudge against PJ.

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Re: Ladakh Union Territory- 2019

Postby rohitvats » 11 Aug 2019 13:04

Ladakh being a Union Territory should mean that many defense related infrastructure projects should be expedited. Plus, if you remember, Indian Army was suffering because of lack of firing ranges in Kashmir and Ladakh. The state government hadn't renewed the lease and permission.

I'm hoping that all these will now be taken care of now with GOI in driver's seat.

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Re: Ladakh Union Territory- 2019

Postby Supratik » 11 Aug 2019 23:08

Lahore city had a Hindu-Sikh majority but Lahore district had a M majority.

In Ladakh there will be a build-up but nothing will happen soon until Mission Kashmir on the Pak front is complete. The time for Aksai Chin has not come.

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Re: Ladakh Union Territory- 2019

Postby LakshmanPST » 12 Aug 2019 01:21

Dileep wrote:Corrected the map. We can't have paki name on BRF! Source attributed to mapsofindia. Posted under fair use principle onlee.

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Isn't the new divided map of erstwhile J&K state wrong, when it comes to inclusion of areas that are currently not in our control...?
Technically, Gilgit & Baltistan area of POK and Shaksgam Valley should be included as part of Ladakh UT... As of now, only Aksai Chin is included in Ladakh UT... All these areas form the higher elevation Karakoram mountains...
Only, so called, Azad Kashmir area of POK is technically part of Jammu and only it should be included in J&K UT...

But most of the maps I'm seeing online are including entire POK & Shaksgam Valley in J&K...
I understand that it doesn't matter for now since these areas are currently not in our control... But I feel ppl should be made aware of the geographical & cultural differences of the region by the Govt....

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Re: Ladakh Union Territory- 2019

Postby ldev » 12 Aug 2019 04:25

Great primer on the border areas, strategic points,names and their history between India, Pakistan and China. Although known to many here on BRF, nevertheless is is a good recap. By Shekhar Gupta.


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https://www.livemint.com/news/india/pak ... 80946.html
Pakistan deploying fighter jets to Skardu near Ladakh, India watching closely
12 Aug 2019, 05:58 PM IST
Ajit K Dubey , ANI
The Indian intelligence agencies along with the Air Force and Army are keeping a close watch on the movement of the Pakistani Air Force
The Pakistanis use an older version of the C-130 transport aircraft supplied by the Americans a long time ago
NEW DELHI: Amid the ongoing tensions with Pakistan over the abrogation of the Article 370, Pakistani forces have started moving equipment to their forward bases close to Ladakh.
"Three C-130 transport aircraft of the Pakistan Air Force were used on Saturday to ferry equipment to their Skardu air base opposite the Union Territory of Ladakh. The Indian agencies concerned are keeping a close eye on the movement of Pakistanis along the border areas," government sources told ANI.
Sources said the equipment moved to the forward operating base could be support equipment for fighter aircraft operations.
Pakistanis are most likely to move in their JF-17 fighter planes to the Skardu air field, they said.
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Re: Ladakh Union Territory- 2019

Postby pankajs » 13 Aug 2019 13:27

Bhell .. if one looks at some commentary/TV shows out of bakistan one gets the impression that they are spooked by the thought that Modi is going to make a play for Gilgit/Baltisthan next. I had also suggested that GOI might make a play for a portion of CPEC nearest to the LOC instead to the whole GB.

This might be a precautionary step too in the above context.

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Re: Ladakh Union Territory- 2019

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https://zeenews.india.com/india/article ... 27521.html
INDEPENDENCE DAY
Article 370 degraded our culture and language: Ladakh MP Jamyang Namgyal
Namgyal, 34, is one of BJP`s key voices in the Ladakh region.
Ritesh K Srivastava, Aug 15, 2019.
Ladakh: Member of Parliament from Ladakh, Jamyang Tsering Namgyal, whose speech in the Lok Sabha was widely lauded by BJP members, on Thursday said that Article 370 that accorded special status to the region had degraded the "Ladakhi culture" and never recognised their language.
In his speech, Namgyal clearly stated that through abrogation of Article 370, the mistakes made by India`s first Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru will be rectified by Narendra Modi-led BJP government. Namgyal, 34, is one of BJP`s key voices in the Ladakh region. He has grown ranks within the party as he was an active student leader with associations to the Bharatiya Jan Yuva Morcha (BJYM) as well as All Ladakh Student Association.
"In 1948, Buddhist Association of Ladakh had requested Nehru not to merge Ladakh with Jammu and Kashmir, but Nehru did not listen to our request. Thus, Ladakh became a part of the Valley, and was ruled from Srinagar," Namgyal said.
He told the lower house that the people of Ladakh have been neglected for the last seven decades."The people of Ladakh have been demanding and fighting for the status of Union Territory for the last 71 years. All political parties of Ladakh wanted the UT status," the parliamentarian added." Ladakhis have sacrificed their lives for India in all the wars - 1948, 1962, 1965, 1971 and in 1999, yet there was equality in the state of Jammu and Kashmir.
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Lieutenant Colonel Mahendra Singh Dhoni celebrates Independence Day in Ladakh
Mahendra Singh Dhoni reached Ladakh on Wednesday where he received a warm reception from the Army personnel and interacted with them. The 38-year-old joined the 106 TA Battalion (Para) in Jammu and Kashmir on July 30.
Ladakh: Former India skipper Mahendra Singh Dhoni, who is currently serving in the Indian Army as an honorary Lieutenant Colonel with the 106 TA Battalion (Para), is in Ladakh where he brought in India's 73rd Independence Day with the masses of the newly formed union territory. On August 5, Prime Minister Narendra Modi's central government abrograted provisions of Article 370 and Article 35A of the Indian Constitution which granted special status to Jammu and Kashmir and bifurcated the state into two union territories -- union territory of Jammu & Kashmir and union territory of Ladakh.
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Re: Ladakh Union Territory- 2019

Postby g.sarkar » 19 Aug 2019 00:53

Is this not having Article 370 in another form? Does "protection" mean keeping them separate and backward? Serious investment will come only if industries are allowed to come in. That will happen only if people are also able to settle. None of the industrialized states of India is populated by a 98% majority.
https://www.timesnownews.com/india/arti ... yal/470991
Appeal to Centre for tribal-area status for Ladakh to protect land, identity: Jamyang Tsering NamgyalIndia
Ladakh, Aug 18, 2019
Ladakh MP Jamyang Tsering Namgyal has urged Centre for tribal-area status saying that the region is a predominantly tribal area with tribals making up to 98 per cent of its population.
Prominent leaders of Ladakh have made a fervent appeal to the Centre to declare the region a tribal area under the Sixth Schedule of the Constitution, saying the biggest concern for its people is to protect their land and identity.
Though locals have welcomed the Centre's decision to revoke Article 370 and make Ladakh a Union territory, they fear the influx of outsiders would lead to a change in the region's demography, jeopardize their culture and identity.
In a memorandum to Tribal Affairs Minister Arjun Munda, Ladakh MP Jamyang Tsering Namgyal said the region is a predominantly tribal area with tribals making up to 98 per cent of its population.
"After the Centre announced its decision to make Ladakh a Union Territory, the biggest concern of the tribal population here is to protect their identity, culture, land, and economy," the BJP MP said at the launch of a nine-day Aadi Mahotsav here on Saturday.
Namgyal appealed to Munda to declare it a tribal area under the Sixth Schedule of the Constitution to protect the interests of its people.
Based on Articles 244(2) and 275(1), the Sixth Schedule provides for the administration of tribal areas in the states of Assam, Meghalaya, Tripura, and Mizoram after setting up the autonomous district and regional councils.
"I appeal to you to make a representation to Home Minister Amit Shah on our behalf to protect the demography and culture of Ladakh," Namgyal said.
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