Re: Ram Janmbhoomi Post-SCI Verdict: News and Discussion
Posted: 11 Nov 2019 19:27
Oh well.. We have to earn the C in UBCN every din...
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I don’t really make any such claim in my post . The Israel model is one of constant clashes and it’s only suited to their own circumstances .Cain Marko wrote:The Israeli model which is a fave amongst many Indians imho is hardly a good model to follow. They have no peace even after so many years and viciously subjugating the Palestinians. India's hasa much better and mature policy.
Not a legal expert but then there would have been no allocation of 5 acres to build a mosque.. as clearly stated in the judgement that *only* reason for that was "illegal" destruction etc..pankajs wrote:IF it is a property suit, which it is, the SC would have ruled as it has now and allowed the winner the right to do as it pleased with the structure on the property. The outcome would have been the same.nits wrote:Owasi is saying - what would have been judgement if Mosque would have been there; would SC ask it to be removed and then allocate land to Hindus
Indian police have arrested dozens of people for social media comments that allegedly threatened “communal harmony” after the Supreme Court ...{garbage deleted}
Security forces have been on alert since the verdict was announced on Saturday and remained on the city's streets as hundreds of thousands of Hindu pilgrims began arriving on Monday ahead of a religious festival.{that is to welcome Pakistanis no doubt}
... Police said the social media posts on platforms including Facebook, Twitter and YouTube had threatened “communal harmony”.
At least 77 people were arrested in .. Uttar Pradesh .. after the Supreme Court decision, a police statement said.
Authorities acted against more than 8,270 posts, with steps including “reporting the posts to the social media platform” and “directly messaging the user to delete the message,” the statement said.
In two cases, police ordered users to take down their social media profiles, an Uttar Pradesh police spokesman said.
More than 2,800 posts were targeted on Twitter. There were 1,355 allegedly inflammatory comments on Facebook, and 98 YouTube videos, authorities said. Police cybercrime units said they were using “sentiment analysis” programmes to identify suspect social media posts. A top Uttar Pradesh official said that several WhatsApp groups were asked to restrict their activities, according to media reports. Eight other arrests were reported in .. Madhya Pradesh for social media comments.
A jail warden in the city of Gwalior was also arrested for celebrating with fireworks after the victory for Hindus.
{A bit extreme, hain?}
More than one million Hindu pilgrims are expected in Ayodhya on Tuesday {posing an irresistible temptation to Pakistanis}
When ASI dug at the Janmabhoomi after dome collapsing only, court came to know physical proof that there existed some other structure underlying. Madhura and Kashi also same case for physical proof. When things done "right way", court will get the case and they only set precedent with current decision so they can't deviate from it. VHP or relevant local Hindu group should propose same deal with Government and Masjids at Madhura and Kashi to get alternative sites. This may be graceful and amicable way for Government and court to solve also, instead of forcing Hindus to take fight for those sites also.g.sarkar wrote:It is quite possible if there is a political will to do it. For example, the US SC allowed slavery in a democratic country for a long time. The opinion of a court changes with time. Laws also change with time. With time things will change. But first we have to take back POK and split the Pak land.Sachin wrote: This rule AFAIK is only applicable when cases comes to court. Can't the legislature take any steps to recoup Kashi & Mathura?
Gautam
PS I forgot to say Modi hai to mumkin hai!
The Indian Supreme Court’s decision to allow the building of a temple for Rama on a disputed site is likely to intensify the Hindu nationalist efforts to turn India into a majoritarian nation
And the Romans would build their temples over the pagan places of worship as a sign of their conquest and dominion over the conquered people. And so on it goes.JE Menon wrote:>>The practice of demolishing a religious structure and building another over it isn't something rare.
Indeed. The exception is when that does not happen.
Even in the case of the recently burned down church of Notre Dame in Paris while we, along with the world, mourned at the fiery collapse of the "monumentally beautiful edifice, let us also remember that underneath it was a temple to many gods, including Jupiter, Mercury, Castor and Pollux, and Vulcan, the old Roman god of fire."
https://www.opindia.com/2019/04/indias- ... ilisation/
And build monuments to the act. The Arch of Titus in Rome has the menorah being carried off after the destruction of the Jewish temple.hgupta wrote:And the Romans would build their temples over the pagan places of worship as a sign of their conquest and dominion over the conquered people. And so on it goes.
The emblem of the modern state of Israel is based on the menorah as depicted in the Arch of Titus.According to an ancient ban placed on the monument by Rome’s Jewish authorities, once a Jewish person walks under the arch, he or she can no longer be considered a Jew. So, from the time the Arch of Titus was first built, no Jew has ever willingly walked under it, unless he or she was oblivious to its significance.
I had a rather strange passing familiarity with the Arch of Titus and its bas-relief from the stories told to me by a close family friend who happened to serve in His Majesty’s Jewish Brigade during World War II. When he and a group of brigade buddies entered Rome, they formed ranks and briskly marched straight under the arch, giving the quintessential Roman gesture: place left hand over the top crook of the right elbow, aggressively swing the right fist straight up — the Roman salute! This was done in defiance of history’s repeated attempts to annihilate the Jewish people.
Under Soviet occupation a huge church was built in Poland, when Russians left, the church was demolished, when they asked why a Christian country demolished a church.. they said this church was a symbol of our slavery’ it has to go
I think the court order clearly stated that 5 acres to be OUTSIDE the 67 acres, but at a prominent place within Ayodhya. Now that it is this order which is still binding, the Hindu groups can quickly move in and start the ground work. By the time the case comes up for hearing, there may not be even an inch left in this 67 acres.Karthik S wrote:Looks like they have filed a petition asking that 5 acres be inside the 67 acres.
I did not know this. But the Stalin Building of Warsaw still exists, in spite of being considered to be the ugliest building there and hated by every one.Rony wrote:https://twitter.com/ExSecular/status/11 ... 9557306369 (Video)
Venkayya Naidu garu post-verdict explained beautifully why Babri Mosque had to go giving the example of Poland and Russia. He was speaking in Telugu for ETV Telugu show.Under Soviet occupation a huge church was built in Poland, when Russians left, the church was demolished, when they asked why a Christian country demolished a church.. they said this church was a symbol of our slavery’ it has to go
Another example on these lines.Rony wrote:https://twitter.com/ExSecular/status/11 ... 9557306369 (Video)
Venkayya Naidu garu post-verdict explained beautifully why Babri Mosque had to go giving the example of Poland and Russia. He was speaking in Telugu for ETV Telugu show.
Under Soviet occupation a huge church was built in Poland, when Russians left, the church was demolished, when they asked why a Christian country demolished a church.. they said this church was a symbol of our slavery’ it has to go
He was referring to Alexander Nevsky Cathedral, Warsawg.sarkar wrote:I did not know this. But the Stalin Building of Warsaw still exists, in spite of being considered to be the ugliest building there and hated by every one.Rony wrote:https://twitter.com/ExSecular/status/11 ... 9557306369 (Video)
Venkayya Naidu garu post-verdict explained beautifully why Babri Mosque had to go giving the example of Poland and Russia. He was speaking in Telugu for ETV Telugu show.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of ... nd_Science
The Alexander Nevsky Cathedral (Polish: Sobór św. Aleksandra Newskiego, Russian: Александро-Невский собор) was a Russian Orthodox Cathedral in Saxon Square[1] built in Warsaw, Poland, then a part of the Russian Empire. The cathedral was designed by distinguished Russian architect Leon Benois, and was built between 1894 and 1912. When it was finally completed, it was 70 metres in height, at that time, the tallest building in Warsaw.
It was demolished in mid-1920s by the Polish authorities less than 15 years after its construction. The negative connotations in Poland associated with Russian imperial policy towards Poland, and belief it was built purposely to hurt Polish national feelings,[2] was cited as the major motive by the proponents of the demolition, especially since the church occupied one of Warsaw's main squares. The cathedral shared the fate of many Orthodox churches demolished after Poland regained its independence from Russia.[3]
Only in democratic India can a young interviewer address the VP of the country as "Uncle." Whattacountry.Rony wrote:https://twitter.com/ExSecular/status/11 ... 9557306369 (Video)
Venkayya Naidu garu post-verdict explained beautifully why Babri Mosque had to go giving the example of Poland and Russia. He was speaking in Telugu for ETV Telugu show.
Under Soviet occupation a huge church was built in Poland, when Russians left, the church was demolished, when they asked why a Christian country demolished a church.. they said this church was a symbol of our slavery’ it has to go
This interview is a few years old. Its just getting viral again due to its context after the verdictKLNMurthy wrote:Only in democratic India can a young interviewer address the VP of the country as "Uncle." Whattacountry.Rony wrote:https://twitter.com/ExSecular/status/11 ... 9557306369 (Video)
Venkayya Naidu garu post-verdict explained beautifully why Babri Mosque had to go giving the example of Poland and Russia. He was speaking in Telugu for ETV Telugu show.
My mistake then. In the clip Venkiah garu refers to the wisdom of the Supreme Court judgment, so I assumed it must be contemporary.SandeepA wrote:This interview is a few years old. Its just getting viral again due to its context after the verdictKLNMurthy wrote: Only in democratic India can a young interviewer address the VP of the country as "Uncle." Whattacountry.
If I remember correctly, the tradition of incorporating local Gods in to Roman pantheon did not work with Christians and the Jews. They do not allow their God to made into a statue or become a part of a group of Gods. "Ishwar Allah tero naam" type of thoughts is not accepted. The Romans destroyed the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD due to the continuous rebellion of the Jews. They also killed the armed and the elderly, and enslaved the rest of the population and moved them from that area. This removed Jewish influence in that area, but brought it into Europe. In the modern era Stalin did similar things with populations that were considered different and rebellious.JE Menon wrote: The Romans were themselves pagan up until Constantine. As far as I am aware, most of the important gods in the areas they captures they integrated into their pantheon. Mostly let local beliefs thrive. (This was one of the reasons why the Christianisation of Europe happened without sustained resistance. Those resisting were resisting locally, without a notion of a "pagan collective" as it were).
But I sincerely curious to know if Roman generals destroyed pagan temples for religious reasons in the pre-Christian Roman Empire. Incidental destruction during warfare of course happens.
No subscription required as far as I know. I don't have one.Peregrine wrote:Yayavar Ji :Yayavar wrote:Some of the history from 1949 until the RJB went to SC (std. Msm phrases exist - ignore those):
https://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime012/ ... ete-story/
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Peregrine wrote:Yayavar Ji :
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Yayavar Ji :Yayavar wrote:No subscription required as far as I know. I don't have one.
this is the age old camel in the tent story all over again. The Hindu Maha Sabha may be just one of the outfits trying to head off the faithfoolsSachin wrote:Ayodhya verdict: Mahasabha may file review over five acre land for mosque
How reliable is this Hindu Maha Sabha? At least during the last 4-5 years this outfit only came into lime light when there was an opportunity to show the BJP government in poor light. Who are their leaders? From what I understand from history; folks like Nathuram Godse was part of this outfit when he decided to kill Gandhi. And Hindu Maha Sabha also had in its top rank folks like Nirmal Chandra Chatterjee (F/o Somnath Chatterjee of CPI).
And why is Hindu Maha Sabha batting for them? I get a sinister feeling that organisations like Hindu Maha Sabha are all "false flag" entities created to get the minority communities absolute control over things. Any way SC has given a three month mandate to get the Temple trust up and running, and there is a rumour that Yogi Adityanath would drive it.chetak wrote:this is the age old camel in the tent story all over again.
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The faithfools are not happy.
Will unfollow anybody suggesting that Hindus should donate for building of Masjid. Stop guilt tripping your own people. Our temples are still out of our control. We are still hounded by conversion mafia. We are still struggling to rejuvenate our cultural pride.
So STFU!
8:07 AM - 9 Nov 2019
Thanks! That link should be pinned at the top, pls. I had NOOOOOOOO idea that they had found such clear, clear evidence.