Ram Janmbhoomi Post-SCI Verdict: News and Discussion

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 27 Jan 2021 17:32

Cant people donate via their rupee denominated NRE accounts? Do donations require Aadhar card?

I sincerely hope that the 3 year timeline is met for construction. After 2024 if NDA is not in power all bets are off. Under some pretext of the other construction will be stopped.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 27 Jan 2021 18:02

There's a FAQ here: https://fcraonline.nic.in/home/index.aspx

End of the day, the idea is for people outside India to not cause auditing troubles for the trust while being enthusiastic. Though the trust should definitely be questioned about why they didn't set up fcra facilities. IMO, they had plenty of time. At the same time, Modi chairs somnath trust and should have had feedback for the trust. So there could be some gremlins that we may not know about.

Primus · Post by **Primus** » 28 Jan 2021 21:10

I guess I will have to wait for the time when I can visit in person and perhaps be able to make a donation on site in rupees.

Meanwhile folks, those who like me are willing but unable, please support efforts like that of Prachyam.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 30 Jan 2021 21:52

Rajasthan: Transgender Community Members Donate Lakhs For Ram Temple Construction, Call It A ‘Historic Moment’
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/rajasthan ... ric-momemt
As many as 20 transgenders from Rajasthan have donated lakhs of rupees for the construction of the Ram Temple in Ayodhya, calling it an emotional moment of their life as they maintained that centuries ago Lord Rama had blessed that Kalyug will usher in good times for them.

The transgenders expressed their happiness to be a part of the Ram Temple story, adding that they will add more to their good deeds.
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darshan · Post by **darshan** » 05 Feb 2021 19:51

Jharkhand: Beggar community in Ramgarh contributes for Ram Mandir construction
https://www.opindia.com/2021/02/beggars ... am-mandir/
While the nation is anticipating the construction of a majestic Ram Mandir at Ayodhya, donations have begun pouring in from devotees from across the social spectrum. In such a development, the beggar community of the Leprosy Colony in the Ramgarh district of Jharkhand has contributed ₹2,425 to the Shri Ram Janmbhoomi Teerth Kshetra Trust, reported Navbharat Times.

While speaking about their generous contribution, one Saraswati Devi informed that the community survives on alms and picks trash for a living. But on learning about the fundraising drive for the construction of Ram Mandir, they could not help but contribute to the cause. Similarly, another member of the Leprosy Colony named Jeetu Mohto, who is a beggar by occupation, also contributed ₹1000 for Ram Mandir.
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VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 11 Feb 2021 22:53

RSS Leader Shot While Collecting Funds For Ram Temple In Rajasthan, Protests Erup

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 12 Feb 2021 05:00

Rs 1,000cr raised for Ram temple in just a month

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 12 Feb 2021 17:26

VinodTK wrote:Rs 1,000cr raised for Ram temple in just a month

I myself have contributed to these drives, but the Delhi Murder and Rajastan Attempted Murder or Murder makes me feel very sad, worse is these lynching Incidents are being covered up rather than being debated.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 13 Feb 2021 20:51

Still no word on FCRA registration. They should also start funding campaigns for ones that have given their lives so far and will give lives going forward.

Temple trust has raised Rs 1,511 crore for construction of Ayodhya’s Bhavya Ram Mandir so far: Trust treasurer
https://www.opindia.com/2021/02/temple- ... am-mandir/
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“For the construction of the grand Ram Mandir in Ayodhya, the whole nation is donating funds. We aim to reach 4 lakh villages and 11 crore families across the country during our donation drive. We are conducting the donation drive from January 15 and it will continue till Feb 27. I am here in Surat as part of the drive. People are contributing to the trust. After 492 years, people have got such an opportunity again to do something for the Dharma,” Giri told ANI.
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darshan · Post by **darshan** » 15 Feb 2021 22:06

'Lord Ram Is At The Centre Of Belief Of Dalits': Ambedkar Mahasabha Donates Silver Brick To Bhavya Ram Mandir
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/lord-ram- ... ram-mandir
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"We have donated a silver brick to Ram Temple trust. We are sending the message that Lord Ram is the centre of belief of Dalits. Adivasis were with Lord Ram when he went to fourteen-year exile to forest. We want a grand temple to be built in Ayodhya for Lord Ram," said Dr Lalji Prasad Nirmal, chairman of Ambedkar Mahasabha Trust.

Anil Mishra, a member of Shri Ram Janmbhoomi Teerth Kshetra, the trust overseeing the construction of the temple, welcomed the Ambedkar trust's donation of silver brick for Ram temple, stating that people are donating to the trust wholeheartedly.

The temple trust is conducting a fundraising campaign from 14 January to 27 February.

The trust plans to involve 55 crore family members of 12 crore Hindu families from more than five lakh villages in this initiative.
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darshan · Post by **darshan** » 15 Feb 2021 22:18

BAPS Donates for the Ram Janmabhumi Mandir, Ahmedabad, India
https://www.baps.org/News/2021/BAPS-Don ... 19618.aspx
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Govinddevgiriji Maharaj said, “Today, we are once again gathered at the very place from where the pujan of the Ram Shila for the mandir began at the hands of Pujya Pramukh Swami Maharaj. The sacred journey for the Ram Mandir started from Somnath Mandir and can be regarded as the Gangotri of the Ram Mandir journey and that inspiration flows from the BAPS Swaminarayan Mandir. This Sanstha embodies this nation’s necessity for sincere effort, renunciation, individual commitment and service to India. People ask ‘What can sadhus do?’ But when they see the work these sadhus have done, they will be amazed. And their work of mandir-building is outstanding. Pujya Pramukh Swami Maharaj had an intense inner wish that a majestic Ram Mandir be built over his birthplace.
“There are many mandirs dedicated to Bhagwan Ram. But only one mandir is possible over his birthplace. After a long struggle its construction is under way.
“Bhagwan Shri Ram was the embodiment of morality. He was a national hero. The Valmiki Ramayan states that a nation without Shri Ram does not exist. And we have no use for where there is no Shri Ram. We will create a new Ayodhya wherever Ram goes.
“Bhagwan Shri Ramchandraji was self-sufficient (atma-nirbhar). He was the embodiment of all virtues. By establishing this mandir, his divine qualities will pervade the entire country.
“All works that begin at the hands of sadhus are great. Even in other Asian countries, the spirit of Ram will be revived. We will generate faith among Hindus there that Ram is also yours. They will proudly pilgrimage to Ayodhya. By building this mandir, Ayodhya will be the cultural capital of the world and will awaken the sentiment of ‘Vasudhaiva kutumbakan’ – the world is one family.
“India is a capable nation and will use its strengths not to trouble the world but to make it a better place.”
Chief Minister Vijaybhai Rupani said, “Many years ago, Pramukh Swami Maharaj performed pujan of the Ram Shila and gave his blessings. He and, now, Mahant Swami Maharaj, have continued to support and contribute to this mandir. They have created magnificent mandirs throughout the world. The Ram Mandir will benefit from their vast experience. From the beginning, Gujarat has supported the building of the Ram Mandir. The yatra, in fact, began from Somnath. Also, the Ram Rath began from Somnath. And the Ram Shila Pujan was performed at the hands of Pujya Pramukh Swami Maharaj. We all wish for a speedy completion of the mandir. That we are witnesses to this is our privilege and joy.”
Thereafter, a ceremonial donation of Rs. 2,11,11,111 (Rs 2 crore 11 lakh 11 thousand one hundred and eleven) was presented on behalf of BAPS by Pujya Ishwarcharan Swami to Pujya Shri Govinddev Giriji and Chief Minister Shri Vijaybhai Rupani.
Addressing the assembly, Pujya Ishwarcharan Swami said,
“In 1968, with Yogiji Maharaj, Pramukh Swami Maharaj and Mahant Swami Maharaj, we went to the Ram Janmabhumi and chanted the dhun before the murti of Ram Lalla. Thereafter, Pramukh Swami Maharaj pilgrimaged many times to the Ram Janmabhumi to pray. He also put in much effort for this mandir. The prayers and sacrifices of hundreds of thousands of devotees is now taking shape. With the building of this mandir, the nation’s pride and heritage will be revived and echo for countless generations to come.”
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SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 21 Feb 2021 18:44

https://youtu.be/ITbdXjp2I2s
Here we go sir
Closet Jihadi's coming out in the open.
Still too much of burning!!!

bharathp · Post by **bharathp** » 22 Feb 2021 09:57

Rsatchi wrote:https://youtu.be/ITbdXjp2I2s
Here we go sir
Closet Jihadi's coming out in the open.
Still too much of burning!!!

DDM and BIF link. can we please not have these links in BRF and provide for their click rate? is there a policy for these types of links?

that entire youtube channel is an echo chamber. should leave it at that. it provides no better use than increase BP or irritation and after sometime evoke laughter.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 28 Feb 2021 22:38

The trust should think about long term and how to become an economic center comprising of all traits to support and defend Hindus. Go back to the roots and focus on instilling back. Farms to education institutes to gaushalas to ayurvedic centers. Have a goal to expand clean environment by 1km every year.

Ram Mandir donation crosses the Rs 2,100 crore mark, exceeds estimated collection
https://www.opindia.com/2021/02/ram-man ... ve-figure/
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In fact, Shri Ram Janmbhoomi Teerth Kshetra Trust had anticipated that it might receive around Rs 1,100 crore for building the Ram temple complex as it launched the crowdfunding campaign on January 15. However, to their surprise, the trust has received an overwhelming response from the people of the country, who have now donated Rs 1,000 crore more than the original estimate.
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Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 01 Mar 2021 20:00

Noob question. What about the priests and their salaries etc. Will they will be paid from the collections from devotees or will they be paid (a pittance) by the government (when they collect their share of the donations)

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 01 Mar 2021 21:41

Manish_P wrote:Noob question. What about the priests and their salaries etc. Will they will be paid from the collections from devotees or will they be paid (a pittance) by the government (when they collect their share of the donations)

Did not Namo or someone say : Governments should not be running business ityadi, ityadi

If so what business has the government running Temples!!!
SuSwamy should be encouraged to file more petitions in this regard in Supreme Court
Hope we get 'Mukthi from this Bandan' before NaMo goes into 'Vanaprasthashrama'

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 07 Mar 2021 01:02

Over 10 crore people donated over Rs 2500 crore in 45 days in the world’s biggest crowdfunding campaign for Ram Mandir: VHP
https://www.opindia.com/2021/03/over-10 ... am-mandir/

“Ram devotees in every nook and corner of the country have made their contributions. From the North-Eastern region of Bharat, the people of Arunachal Pradesh have contributed Rs 45 million, Manipur Rs 20 million, Mizoram Rs 2.1 million, Nagaland Rs 2.8 million, Meghalaya Rs 8.5 million, and from Southern states, the people of Tamil Nadu contributed Rs 850 million, and Kerala Rs 130 million.”

Giving an insight into how the entire team worked in unison to achieve the goals, Rai said that the donation amount was deposited in bank accounts through 38,125 Karyakartas. To maintain transparency of the entire campaign, while 49 control rooms were working across the country, 23 qualified Karyakartas led by two chartered accountants at the main centre in Delhi, were constantly in touch with the entire network to monitor the accounts.

Lauding Hyderabad’s Dhanusha Infotech Company for creating a flawless app which acted as a digital bridge among the Karyakartas, banks and the trust, Rai opined: “The app, created by Dhanusha Infotech Company of Hyderabad, did a commendable job as a meticulously-built digital network to act as a digital bridge among the Karyakartas, banks and the trust.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 20 May 2021 21:14

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Rishi_Tri · Post by **Rishi_Tri** » 21 May 2021 23:55

Mukhi · Post by **Mukhi** » 22 May 2021 06:02

Manish_P wrote:Noob question. What about the priests and their salaries etc. …..be paid (a pittance) by the government (when they collect their share of the donations)

Interesting question. In my town in GJ, I asked this q to Pujari. His answer was, he gets paid 4000 Rs per month. Plus what ever “Bhet” the mandir gets from Aarti, plus he gets a place to stay and all rashon. Then he gets to go and perform pooja at decotees’ home. Gets Daxina there. Plus gets little extra in NRI season.

All and all, a family if 6 including his parents. He told me he makes enough to cover all expanses and some leftover.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 22 May 2021 18:31

^ Yes, Mukhi ji. Same situation across most of the country I think.

They get a pittance from the Governement and depend substantially on the 'alms' provided by the devotees.

No social security, no substancial pension etc. Nor is there an organizational net which can take care of them in case of emergencies (unlike the church for eg).

No real incentive for their children to become pundits... other than dedication to dharma and a deep rooted feeling of duty towards preserving our religion and way of life.

Mukhi · Post by **Mukhi** » 23 May 2021 02:25

To clarify. The pay does not come from GJ or Central Government. The temple is operated by devotees as a committee and they pay. I don't even know if the temple is under any Trust or not.

Interestingly, Gorani (Pujari’s Wife) takes care if keeping mandir clean and cook parsed etc. she does not get paid anything separately.

The other source if income for many Pujaries in my town is Tiffin services. Being the town is 80-85% NRI, lot of demand 4-6 months a year.

A Pujari if one Mandir (Vadtal Swami Narayan Sect) made decent money with all this to buy and build his own house in the town.

All and all, I believe the Mandirs should be operated by Trusts or A Committee of Devitees only. And the Pujari and his wife both should get paid, Minimum Rs 10 - 15, 000 per month combined, with all above perks allowed.

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 25 May 2021 19:25

More than just a Mandir: why removing Babri Masjid matters

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... cist-anger

The hypocrisy of these left wing woke idiots is astounding.

Why is islamist imperialism good, and everything that came with it, but western/european imperialism so wrong ??

Replace the word black with Dharmic, Race hate with Religious hate, white supremacy with islamic supremacy.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 15 Jun 2021 00:51

Surprised this has not been posted here yet:

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... s-7359079/

Basically anything to stall the Mandir.

AshishA · Post by **AshishA** » 15 Jun 2021 02:19

Tanaji wrote:Surprised this has not been posted here yet:

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... s-7359079/

Basically anything to stall the Mandir.

Now I predict there will be a Supreme Court case to stall this project. But the bigger question is that if it is really true?

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 15 Jun 2021 05:45

Haresh wrote:More than just a Mandir: why removing Babri Masjid matters

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... cist-anger

The hypocrisy of these left wing woke idiots is astounding.

Why is islamist imperialism good, and everything that came with it, but western/european imperialism so wrong ??

Replace the word black with Dharmic, Race hate with Religious hate, white supremacy with islamic supremacy.

What has this article got to do with Ram Mandir?. The comparison with Rhodes statue has nothing to do with it.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 15 Jun 2021 07:11

AshishA wrote:
Tanaji wrote:Surprised this has not been posted here yet:

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... s-7359079/

Basically anything to stall the Mandir.
Now I predict there will be a Supreme Court case to stall this project. But the bigger question is that if it is really true?

What business does supreme court have to interfere in private trust matters ? The government donated a token Rs 1 toward Ram Mandir construction, the temple is being constructed by funds collected from Hindus around the world , so the government or the taxpayers have nothing to do with the construction of the temple or how its funds are being used.

As for the land, this latest slander was started by who else but the naxali AAP. Until yesterday these ba5stards were questioning the very existence of Lord Ram and were asking "why a temple ? why not hospitals or o2 plants?" and today they are worried about the temple ! And right on cue pappu and pappini too have chimed in, yes, the very people who called Lord Ram a "myth" and let his place of birth remain in ruins for over a century.

An agreement to sell the land was made in 2019 between two parties for Rs 2 crores and an advance of Rs 50 lakhs was paid to the seller with a promise to settle the remaining at a later date. In Sept 2019 Supreme Court finally gave a judgement in favor of Ram Mandir clearing the path for its construction. In early 2021 Ram Mandir trust wanted to acquire land near the Ayodhya Railway station, and approached sellers who agreed to sell a parcel of land for Rs 18 cr, this is the same land which they had bought from another for Rs 2 crores in 2019 as mentioned above. Not unusual in Indian real estate, an old agreement of sale is turned into deed before selling it to a third party, so a deed is recorded twice on the same day. This, in a nutshell is what took place. Seller A and buyer B recorded their sales deed for Rs 2 crores based on a 2019 sales agreement, and on the same day buyer B recorded the deed after selling the land to buyer C. Now one may question how did the land value go up from Rs 2 cr to Rs 18 cr in just 2 yrs, well, this is India where real estate value is anything a buyer is willing to pay.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 15 Jun 2021 07:20

I heard that the old agreement to sell at Rs 2 crores was made in 2011. So, the appreciation from Rs 2 crores to Rs 18 crores happened in 10 years. Not unusual in such situations.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 15 Jun 2021 07:36

There was an image of the stamp paper of the original agreement of sale from 2019 for Rs 2 Cr floating on the internet. Indian real estate has always been notoriously bubbly and disconnected from fundamentals, so an appreciation of 9x for land near railway station when the entire city is being redesigned as a major tourist/religious destination isn't unheard of in India.

https://www.opindia.com/2021/06/swami-a ... formation/

https://www.opindia.com/2021/06/truth-l ... e-details/

AshishA · Post by **AshishA** » 15 Jun 2021 10:12

Ambar wrote:
AshishA wrote: Now I predict there will be a Supreme Court case to stall this project. But the bigger question is that if it is really true?
What business does supreme court have to interfere in private trust matters ? The government donated a token Rs 1 toward Ram Mandir construction, the temple is being constructed by funds collected from Hindus around the world , so the government or the taxpayers have nothing to do with the construction of the temple or how its funds are being used.

Yes. You are right. Supreme Court doesn't have any right to interfere in private trust matters. But considering how it has been interfering in policy matters I will not be surprised if the esteemed judges take it up after the BIF gang cries itself hoarse. BIF gang can only stall it through Court order. So I believe their next point of attack will be this.

And thanks for the explanation about the land value.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 15 Jun 2021 13:29

Ambar wrote:What business does supreme court have to interfere in private trust matters ?

Exactly. This is more of a 'civil case' (i.e no criminal activity has taken place), and secondly there is no aggrieved party here. The seller & purchaser of land have agreed on the price and then followed all the legal process to take posession. If some one has to fight, it has to be either the seller or the purchasers of the land - i.e the Trust. Now if the question comes on how Trust managed to generate so much money, their books can be audited by a competent authority. With the kind of donations they have got, this money is pea nuts.

AshishA wrote:But considering how it has been interfering in policy matters I will not be surprised if the esteemed judges take it up after the BIF gang cries itself hoarse.

I don't think Supreme Court has any locus standi here. They cannot stop a legally made transaction (of land) just because of the price factor. The deal is between two private entities, and not even issues of govt land being encroached comes up here. BJP should actually use this new drama from 'seculars' against them in the up coming UP elections. Convince people that 'seculars' are trying to damage Ram Mandir cause.

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 15 Jun 2021 16:21

Rupesh wrote:What has this article got to do with Ram Mandir?. The comparison with Rhodes statue has nothing to do with it.

Sorry but my view differs.
These same idiots are very quick to condemn anything that they say is western imperialism and cry like babies while screaming the word's "islamophobia" and "Hindu fascism"

Why is it ok to topple the Rhodes statue and others as well, but not ok to demolish an old mosque, built on the demolished remains of Mandir ?

Why sing the praises of the "great ??" mughal empire built on the blood and bones of our ancestors but condemn other empires.

Why are we fascists for demolishing the babri masjid but they are not for wanting to topple that statue of Rhodes.

This is hypocrisy, our people are the indigenous people.

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 15 Jun 2021 16:41

Kakkaji, Ambar, Sachin and others,

Here is an excellent video from Shehzad Poonawalla explaining this issue about Ram Mandir:

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1mrGmwElaRNxy

Ambar some of the points you wrote in your post above Shehzad also covers it.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 15 Jun 2021 17:36

IIRC, the trust has strategically not obtained fcra to get any
foreign donations. One of the reasons could be to avoid any harassments from BIF.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 12 Dec 2021 22:05

CJI Ranjan Gogoi explains how attempts were made to stop RJB

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 12 Dec 2021 23:05

Why is it ok to topple the Rhodes statue and others as well, but not ok to demolish an old mosque, built on the demolished remains of Mandir ?

When woke people can answer this question, a new age of wisdom will dawn on planet Earth.

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 14 Dec 2021 17:47

sanjaykumar wrote:Why is it ok to topple the Rhodes statue and others as well, but not ok to demolish an old mosque, built on the demolished remains of Mandir ?

When woke people can answer this question, a new age of wisdom will dawn on planet Earth.

Glad that you see it the same way.
The peacefools have managed to persuade the left/liberals/woke that they are the eternal victims.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 15 Dec 2021 04:22

Not at all. It serves the purpose of the freedom press, Christians etc to provide a platform to malcontents and islamists.

Ever wonder why the freedom industry never asks if the five daily Islamic prayers include wishing death on infidels and idolators.

Ever read a running death count of Muslims by freedom lovers and their sponsors, in the NYT.

Acts of omission are often more significant than sins of commission. From my professional experience the usual response to a charge of corruption is a plea of mere incompetence.

I don’t think the editorial boards of the freedom industry, including Twitter etc, are incompetent.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 15 Dec 2021 04:34

In general, bullies can give but fall apart when the victim gives it back.

A great example is China and the preposterous idea of journalism pushed by Global Times. Wion has been withering in its constructive criticism of China. So much so that China has had to write pleading letters to the broadcaster. Global times quotes Twitter to explain to the rapt China masses why Twitter is wrong. The irony is of course Twitter is denied to said adoring masses.

The Chinese don’t do irony. I doubt if WaPo NYT Time Economist do irony any better.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 15 Dec 2021 10:12

As real time demonstration of the agenda of the freedom business please look up their coverage of the massive makran coast protests in Baluchistan.

The narrative is being shaped. One can only surmise to what end.