Terroristan - November 11, 2019

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Lisa » 27 Dec 2019 16:45

NRao wrote:Dec 25, 2019 :: US aircraft launch gears for carriers mistakenly land in Gujarat

An early New Year present for India.

NEW DELHI: Two aircraft launching gears meant for ‘Royal Saudi Land Forces’ have illegally landed at a private port in Kutch district of Gujarat through Pakistan, sending security forces into a tizzy.

The load -- ‘military grade’ aircraft launching gears -- were, intriguingly, not declared on two containers in which they were stuffed and packed aboard Kyoto Express ship at a New York port on November 8.

The containers were shown as ‘empty’. But when customs officers at Mundra port opened them on Friday, they found aircraft launching gears -- essentially used in aircraft carriers to assist takeoff of jets from the deck. That there is something fishy about containers was first detected by a surveyor of the shipping line when it was moved to the yard, customs department sources told ET on conditions of anonymity.

What has raised eyebrows in the customs and other security agencies such as the Directorate of Revenue Intelligence (DRI) is why the two containers were not offloaded like some others after berthing the Kyoto Express -- a carrier owned by Hapag-Lloyd Aktiengesellschaft, Hamburg in Germany -- at Jeddah port?

“Officials could not figure out what it was from the literature and other papers lay in the containers after both were opened,” said a senior officer aware of the development. “Subsequently, shipping line was asked to get bill of lading from its main office in New York.” During the initial probe, custom officials realised that the bill of lading procured from shipper DHL Global Forwarding of United States clearly stated that the consignee is ‘Royal Saudi Land Forces’ and the gears were to reach: ‘Prince Sultan Road, HWY 156 Jizan Saudi Arabia’, documents accessed by ET show.

But, in the import general manifest (IGM), which the shipping line files with the customs department, these two containers were declared “empty”.

The vessel departed from New York and sailed through three to five ports, including Karachi, before dropping 300 odd empty containers, including the two suspicious ones, at Mundra port on Friday night.

An inquiry by the ET pointed out that Hapag-Lloyd official website showed the containers were unloaded at Mundra at 22.22 pm on December 20.

The Saudis, however, do not have an aircraft carrier in their fleet. Diplomats at Saudi Arabia embassy here were not available for comments, despite attempts by ET.

The customs department at Gujarat has sent a detailed report informing its Delhi-based nodal national agency, the Central Board of Indirect Taxes and Customs, about the mysterious landing of catapults for jets.

Sanjay Agarwal, principal commissioner of customs for Mundra port, said, “Before reaching to any conclusion I would not like to reach to any conclusion whether it's a mischief or something else due to sensitivities involved.”


I personally think that they missed a Chinese port in-between.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Peregrine » 27 Dec 2019 17:17

NRao wrote:Need to check two other "empty" containers for radiation. If found may not be a bad deal. Equip two carriers.

But, who knows, Babus may just send them back. Hopefully not to Karachi.
NRao Ji :

Sir Ji is it not Illegal to label shipping documents WRONGLY - especially in International Trading?

As such CAN'T ALL these Illegally Shipped Goods be confiscated?

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Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Peregrine » 27 Dec 2019 17:37

Lisa Ji : Your Post 27 Dec 2019 16:45
I personally think that they missed a Chinese port in-between.
Lisa Ji :

IMHO : The Kyoto Express ship having loaded the said Containers at New York port on November 8 must have transited the Suez Canal and not the Panama Canal.

As such – by reference to an Atlas – there is nothing to do with China!

I could, might, possibly be wrong.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Lisa » 27 Dec 2019 18:55

Peregrineji,

I agree with your comment but do you believe that the Saudis need such equipment? All this make me say what I say, ie intended recipient may have been .......

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Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Peregrine » 27 Dec 2019 19:48

Lisa wrote:Peregrineji,
I agree with your comment but do you believe that the Saudis need such equipment? All this make me say what I say, ie intended recipient may have been .......
Lisa Ji :
Many thanks indeed.

The only country in this Region would be India or the Dlagon.

So one HAS to agree with you! :rotfl:

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Rsatchi » 27 Dec 2019 21:42

https://youtu.be/VqdFle1WgVo
Loji
Hajam Sethi explaining about 'Maker of Pakistan' whom the world calls 'Breaker of Hindustan' :D :D

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby darshan » 28 Dec 2019 20:15

Pakistan: Minor boy raped over 100 times and tortured by Madarsa teacher, victim rushed to hospital as blood starting oozing out of his eyes
https://www.opindia.com/2019/12/pakista ... minor-boy/

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Peregrine » 28 Dec 2019 21:55

darshan wrote:Pakistan: Minor boy raped over 100 times and tortured by Madarsa teacher, victim rushed to hospital as blood starting oozing out of his eyes
https://www.opindia.com/2019/12/pakista ... minor-boy/
darshan Ji :

Wah ray Wah - Point of Entry KAHAN aur Khoon Buhay KAHAN

Sir Ji, this Madarsa Practice is known as GHAZWA - E - BEHIND!

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby NRao » 28 Dec 2019 22:25

Peregrine wrote:
NRao wrote:Need to check two other "empty" containers for radiation. If found may not be a bad deal. Equip two carriers.

But, who knows, Babus may just send them back. Hopefully not to Karachi.
NRao Ji :

Sir Ji is it not Illegal to label shipping documents WRONGLY - especially in International Trading?

As such CAN'T ALL these Illegally Shipped Goods be confiscated?

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I was hoping to find two small nuclear reactors (to power the two cats).

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby g.sarkar » 29 Dec 2019 10:12

https://theprint.in/defence/loc-ceasefi ... 70/341774/
LoC ceasefire violations doubled to 3,200 this year, spiked after Balakot & Article 370
Since August, when Article 370 was scrapped, no month has witnessed less than 292 ceasefire violations along the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir.
AMRITA NAYAK DUTTA 27 December, 2019

New Delhi: The number of ceasefire violations along the Line of Control (LoC) in Jammu and Kashmir has doubled this year to 3,200, compared to 1,629 violations recorded in 2018, government data has revealed. In 2017, the LoC had been relatively peaceful, as just 860 violations were recorded.
The data showed that the number of violations spiked after the Balakot air strikes in February, as well as after 5 August, the day when the Narendra Modi government scrapped Article 370 and bifurcated the region into two union territories.
Sources in the Army said in the last few weeks, the LoC has remained tense, particularly in Akhnoor, Gurez, Keran, Uri and Poonch sectors, from where reports of massive firing and shelling had come in.
“The number of BAT (Border Action Team) attempts and infiltration attempts… have gone up after 5 August. The number of CFVs (ceasefire violations) were also high around the time when the Pulwama attack and the subsequent Balakot strikes took place,” a senior Army officer said.
There are an estimated 300 terrorists in the Kashmir region and 20 in Jammu, said the officer.
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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby wig » 30 Dec 2019 15:45

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/sport/sm ... spartandhp

‘Smashed TV inside wall after watching daughter imitate Indian daily soap’: Shahid Afridi slammed after old video surfaces

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby ArjunPandit » 30 Dec 2019 16:14

was trying to find out more on nazaria e pakistan. Came across is this rare piece of sanity. Seems like Dawn is their version of NDTV, except that dawn is true
https://www.dawn.com/news/741890

Anniversaries are about remembering beginnings. Without the Muslim League’s rallying cry ‘Islam is in danger’, there would be no Pakistan. The leaders of the Pakistan Movement were emphatic that Hindus and Muslims could never live together under the authority of a single state. Their answer was to split India so that Muslims could flourish. But what direction should the new homeland for Muslims take? Many Muslim leaders had Westernised lifestyles, together with an inner hope that the new country would follow British traditions of liberalism and secularism. Yet they dared not articulate this publicly.

Pakistan’s founder, Mr Mohammad Ali Jinnah, is the hero of Pakistan’s secularists and a liberal man. But his statements from the 1930s onwards do not contain a single occurrence of the word ‘secular’. Had he indeed campaigned for a liberal, secular Pakistan — and that too in competition with the secular Indian National Congress under the leadership of Jawaharlal Nehru — he would have lost the leadership of the movement. Seeking to escape the conclusion that Islam created Pakistan, some have invented class-based theories of Partition. But these attempts at escaping reality are ultimately futile.

ARTICLE CONTINUES AFTER AD
Today an overwhelming majority of Pakistanis think theirs is an ideological state. Post-1981, the tightened bond between religion and nationalism led to Nazariyah-i-Pakistan (the ideology of Pakistan) being taught to all students. Beginning as early as class V, most students learn their nationalism by chanting the question and answer: “Pakistan ka matlab kya? La ilaha illallah!” (What is the meaning of Pakistan? There is no god but God!) It says, put simply, that Pakistan is Allah’s work, and Pakistanis are chosen people.

Pakistanis are not alone in believing they are different from all others. Other countries of the world, usually those born out of revolution or with a history of ethnic or religious superiority, are also heavily ideological. Israel under Zionism, the Soviet Union under communism, and of course the United States — which believes in American exceptionalism — are examples. A law unto themselves, these countries show a consistent pathology. They are heavily militarised, operate extensively outside their national borders and believe in unilateralism.

The choice of ideology — for those states that have one — determines the character and quality of national institutions at almost every level. Education, public media, law and the military grow around the need to preserve the ideological framework. But, as the case of the Soviet Union shows, giving ideology primacy over real needs can lead to a serious weakening of vital institutions.

Pakistan attempted to build a national identity and ideology on the basis of religion. This was a difficult task because the old slogans steadily lost meaning after partition. Today Islam is not under any danger and no external power rules the country. Pakistanis manage their own electricity and water, raise their own taxes and control their own military. Few non-Muslims now remain within the national borders; the other nation in the two-nation theory is mostly on the other side.

Creating a new nation-state surely involved much blood and sacrifice, but to build a new nation requires more than just the glue of religion. Because the difference between state and nation was not understood well enough, problems multiplied. Respecting diversity of language, race and culture is essential for nation-building. A glimpse at history — suppressed in our school books — shows us the consequences. The first challenge to the two-nation theory came from ethno-nationalism in East Pakistan. It is now seen increasingly in Balochistan and Sindh.

A new and graver threat comes from unleashing religious passions. Attempts to make Pakistan a mamlikat-i-khudadad (theocracy) have lit uncontrollable fires of religious intolerance. Increasing sections of Pakistan’s population are resentful at being treated as second-class citizens. Earlier, Hindus, Christians and Parsis were outcasts. Ahmadis followed in 1974. It is even worse now.

Today, if you are known to be Shia or Barelvi, you could be in danger in many parts of the country. The life of a Hazara Shia is no longer protected by the state; hundreds have been slaughtered by groups enjoying state protection. Pakistani Muslims now offer Friday prayers under the shadow of gun-wielding guards. Ironically, Muslims are safer in two much-reviled countries — India and the US.

It is no surprise that there is widespread despondency among Pakistan’s intelligentsia and the flight out of the country of its best doctors, engineers, scientists and other professionals. The economy perpetually teeters on the brink. One push and it may collapse.

The bottom line: Pakistan must shift its priority towards the prosperity and well-being of citizens and cease to discriminate on the basis of religion and ethnicity. Instead it should seek to become a normal nation. Normal countries like Japan, the Netherlands, Britain, Australia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Turkey or Indonesia offer far better models than the US or Israel. The lack of any clear mission or ideology is an advantage — normal countries are well-adjusted and at peace, both internally as well as in relation to the rest of the world.

A normal Pakistan would no longer intervene across its borders. It could, of course, freely sympathise with the plight of Muslims in Kashmir, Palestine, Afghanistan or Burma. But these people must sort out their own problems. It is time to give up trying to fix the world and to abandon the Pakistani version of la mission civilisatrice, the colonial civilising mission. As a corollary, the multiple jihads based on our soil must be stopped, and jihadist groups forced to disband.

The writer is a physicist and a commentator on science, education and society.

not surprising to see the name of author missing after a fairly reasonable piece...

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Rsatchi » 30 Dec 2019 16:42

ArjunPandit wrote:was trying to find out more on nazaria e pakistan. Came across is this rare piece of sanity. Seems like Dawn is their version of NDTV, except that dawn is true
https://www.dawn.com/news/741890

Anniversaries are about remembering beginnings. Without the Muslim League’s rallying cry ‘Islam is in danger’, there would be no Pakistan. The leaders of the Pakistan Movement were emphatic that Hindus and Muslims could never live together under the authority of a single state. Their answer was to split India so that Muslims could flourish. But what direction should the new homeland for Muslims take? Many Muslim leaders had Westernised lifestyles, together with an inner hope that the new country would follow British traditions of liberalism and secularism. Yet they dared not articulate this publicly.

Pakistan’s founder, Mr Mohammad Ali Jinnah, is the hero of Pakistan’s secularists and a liberal man. But his statements from the 1930s onwards do not contain a single occurrence of the word ‘secular’. Had he indeed campaigned for a liberal, secular Pakistan — and that too in competition with the secular Indian National Congress under the leadership of Jawaharlal Nehru — he would have lost the leadership of the movement. Seeking to escape the conclusion that Islam created Pakistan, some have invented class-based theories of Partition. But these attempts at escaping reality are ultimately futile.

ARTICLE CONTINUES AFTER AD
Today an overwhelming majority of Pakistanis think theirs is an ideological state. Post-1981, the tightened bond between religion and nationalism led to Nazariyah-i-Pakistan (the ideology of Pakistan) being taught to all students. Beginning as early as class V, most students learn their nationalism by chanting the question and answer: “Pakistan ka matlab kya? La ilaha illallah!” (What is the meaning of Pakistan? There is no god but God!) It says, put simply, that Pakistan is Allah’s work, and Pakistanis are chosen people.

Pakistanis are not alone in believing they are different from all others. Other countries of the world, usually those born out of revolution or with a history of ethnic or religious superiority, are also heavily ideological. Israel under Zionism, the Soviet Union under communism, and of course the United States — which believes in American exceptionalism — are examples. A law unto themselves, these countries show a consistent pathology. They are heavily militarised, operate extensively outside their national borders and believe in unilateralism.

The choice of ideology — for those states that have one — determines the character and quality of national institutions at almost every level. Education, public media, law and the military grow around the need to preserve the ideological framework. But, as the case of the Soviet Union shows, giving ideology primacy over real needs can lead to a serious weakening of vital institutions.

Pakistan attempted to build a national identity and ideology on the basis of religion. This was a difficult task because the old slogans steadily lost meaning after partition. Today Islam is not under any danger and no external power rules the country. Pakistanis manage their own electricity and water, raise their own taxes and control their own military. Few non-Muslims now remain within the national borders; the other nation in the two-nation theory is mostly on the other side.

Creating a new nation-state surely involved much blood and sacrifice, but to build a new nation requires more than just the glue of religion. Because the difference between state and nation was not understood well enough, problems multiplied. Respecting diversity of language, race and culture is essential for nation-building. A glimpse at history — suppressed in our school books — shows us the consequences. The first challenge to the two-nation theory came from ethno-nationalism in East Pakistan. It is now seen increasingly in Balochistan and Sindh.

A new and graver threat comes from unleashing religious passions. Attempts to make Pakistan a mamlikat-i-khudadad (theocracy) have lit uncontrollable fires of religious intolerance. Increasing sections of Pakistan’s population are resentful at being treated as second-class citizens. Earlier, Hindus, Christians and Parsis were outcasts. Ahmadis followed in 1974. It is even worse now.

Today, if you are known to be Shia or Barelvi, you could be in danger in many parts of the country. The life of a Hazara Shia is no longer protected by the state; hundreds have been slaughtered by groups enjoying state protection. Pakistani Muslims now offer Friday prayers under the shadow of gun-wielding guards. Ironically, Muslims are safer in two much-reviled countries — India and the US.

It is no surprise that there is widespread despondency among Pakistan’s intelligentsia and the flight out of the country of its best doctors, engineers, scientists and other professionals. The economy perpetually teeters on the brink. One push and it may collapse.

The bottom line: Pakistan must shift its priority towards the prosperity and well-being of citizens and cease to discriminate on the basis of religion and ethnicity. Instead it should seek to become a normal nation. Normal countries like Japan, the Netherlands, Britain, Australia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Turkey or Indonesia offer far better models than the US or Israel. The lack of any clear mission or ideology is an advantage — normal countries are well-adjusted and at peace, both internally as well as in relation to the rest of the world.

A normal Pakistan would no longer intervene across its borders. It could, of course, freely sympathise with the plight of Muslims in Kashmir, Palestine, Afghanistan or Burma. But these people must sort out their own problems. It is time to give up trying to fix the world and to abandon the Pakistani version of la mission civilisatrice, the colonial civilising mission. As a corollary, the multiple jihads based on our soil must be stopped, and jihadist groups forced to disband.

[color=#FF0000]The writer is a physicist and a commentator on science, education and society.

[b]not surprising to see the name of author missing after a fairly reasonable piece...
Panditji,
U don't need a Cadbury's Quiz contest to know who has written that piece: PH
He wont mention his name as he will be next on the list of 'Khambe pe latkao' after Mian Musharaff :lol: :lol:

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Rsatchi » 30 Dec 2019 18:05

https://youtu.be/gtPgv0kLJE8
Lo ji
Napaks are asking the astrologers and Tarot readers for opinion on India
All are of the opinion that Gas-was-behind will start and India will go the USSR way in 3 years!!! :lol: :lol:
I thought all astrology/graham/tarot is not 'Haram' as per the 'only book'
The book should tell na! why ask these people!!! :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby ArjunPandit » 30 Dec 2019 18:46

Rsatchi wrote:U don't need a Cadbury's Quiz contest to know who has written that piece: PH
He wont mention his name as he will be next on the list of 'Khambe pe latkao' after Mian Musharaff :lol: :lol:

1. Please edit your post and remove the entire article that you've quoted
2. Yes his name came to my mind, but didnt see it. How did you figure out?
3. PHB is there a u is reqd and he'll be PBUH...

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby g.sarkar » 30 Dec 2019 22:37

ArjunPandit wrote:
Rsatchi wrote:U don't need a Cadbury's Quiz contest to know who has written that piece: PH
He wont mention his name as he will be next on the list of 'Khambe pe latkao' after Mian Musharaff :lol: :lol:

1. Please edit your post and remove the entire article that you've quoted
2. Yes his name came to my mind, but didnt see it. How did you figure out?
3. PHB is there a u is reqd and he'll be PBUH...

If we know that it was PH, ISI, that follows him, knows that too. I have a gut feeling that he will have to go. His 9 lives are up.
Gautam

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby anmol » 30 Dec 2019 22:47

Jami names Dawn CEO Hameed Haroon as alleged rapist; Haroon rejects accusation
December 30, 2019

Filmmaker Jamshed Mahmood, who in October came forward with the accusation that he was raped by a “media tycoon” 13 years ago, has named Dawn CEO Hameed Haroon as his alleged rapist.

The director, popularly known as Jami, made the accusation in a tweet on Saturday night from a new Twitter account he created, allegedly due to his previous account being hacked. He also shared the accusation on his Facebook page.

In response, Haroon on Monday issued a statement categorically rejecting the rape accusations. "The story is simply untrue and intentionally fabricated at the instance of those who wish to silence me and through me, to compel the newspaper that I represent to support their repressive narrative," said Haroon, adding that he will initiate legal action.

"I am initiating legal action to clear my name and reputation, and to safeguard the freedom of the press by bringing to justice all those responsible for these false and malicious allegations against me," said Haroon. (Full statement below)

Jami is a prominent name in Pakistan's entertainment industry. He directed the film O21 in 2014 as well as Moor which became Pakistan’s submission for the 2015 Oscars. Haroon is a well-known figure in the media fraternity and has been active in cultural preservation and conservation in Pakistan through his involvement in numerous trusts and organisations.

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Editor’s note: Dawn assures its readers that an appropriate inquiry shall be conducted.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Vikas » 30 Dec 2019 22:50

g.sarkar wrote:
ArjunPandit wrote:1. Please edit your post and remove the entire article that you've quoted
2. Yes his name came to my mind, but didnt see it. How did you figure out?
3. PHB is there a u is reqd and he'll be PBUH...

If we know that it was PH, ISI, that follows him, knows that too. I have a gut feeling that he will have to go. His 9 lives are up.
Gautam


Nothing will happen to him. ISI needs him to showcase modern, liberal, scientific and English speaking face of Pakhanistan for the western world. It is like parasite feeding on a virus.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby ArjunPandit » 30 Dec 2019 23:06

g.sarkar wrote:
ArjunPandit wrote:1. Please edit your post and remove the entire article that you've quoted
2. Yes his name came to my mind, but didnt see it. How did you figure out?
3. PHB is there a u is reqd and he'll be PBUH...

If we know that it was PH, ISI, that follows him, knows that too. I have a gut feeling that he will have to go. His 9 lives are up.
Gautam

BTW this is a very old piece.....i dont think he's met his maker yet...

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby viveks » 31 Dec 2019 05:19

Every single act of terrorism from pakistan brings out their "Allah ka Janaza"...

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby KLNMurthy » 31 Dec 2019 05:20

Vikas wrote:
g.sarkar wrote:If we know that it was PH, ISI, that follows him, knows that too. I have a gut feeling that he will have to go. His 9 lives are up.
Gautam


Nothing will happen to him. ISI needs him to showcase modern, liberal, scientific and English speaking face of Pakhanistan for the western world. It is like parasite feeding on a virus.

+1 that nothing will happen to Hoodbhoy.

PH is the face of "enlightened scientific moderation" that comes on the field right after Kabila has created maximum mayhem, chaos and terror, telling Indian chattering classes that Baki jarnails are capable of anything, and therefore India should be urged to "make peace" and 'solve cashmere." I was present at one of those sessions he held in the US back in the '90s.

He is the civilian, "mild-mannered, courteous intelligentsia" equivalent of the golf-playing, whisky-drinking, hospitable TFTA jarnails that Chuck Yaegers of the world love & admire so much. Both are key weapons in Kabila's war machine.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby g.sarkar » 31 Dec 2019 08:25

Murthyji,
You forgot to mention the "clipped" Sandhurst accent, though all have the ugly Pakjabi/Kakul accent as far as I can tell. The fate of PH is not so sanguine as portrayed here. At any point he may be considered expendable and removed. Notice how carefully the Hajam man speaks in the interviews when military affairs are the topic.
Gautam

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby yensoy » 31 Dec 2019 11:49

ArjunPandit wrote:
g.sarkar wrote:If we know that it was PH, ISI, that follows him, knows that too. I have a gut feeling that he will have to go. His 9 lives are up.
Gautam

BTW this is a very old piece.....i dont think he's met his maker yet...


It's only 7 years old. But if he were to write the same piece again and were Dawn to publish it today you can be sure their times will be up.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Rsatchi » 31 Dec 2019 12:33

g.sarkar wrote:Murthyji,
You forgot to mention the "clipped" Sandhurst accent, though all have the ugly Pakjabi/Kakul accent as far as I can tell. The fate of PH is not so sanguine as portrayed here. At any point he may be considered expendable and removed. Notice how carefully the Hajam man speaks in the interviews when military affairs are the topic.
Gautam

Sarkarji
Exactly all the 'enlightened''emancipated''liberal' Napak 'closet J's' are very careful nowadays.
None of them want '72' yet!!! :D
Dimran or no-Dimran, there is only one 'Main Baap'.
Even if the 'MB' dont get directly involved but can get the job done by L-e-J or S-e-S types or some vague 15-member group.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Rsatchi » 31 Dec 2019 12:37

By the way has anyone noticed the Video I had posted of Moeed Pirzada claiming, wait for it:
A three-nation theory he is says was the original idea!!!. :shock:
And also the '71 war was a four cornered fight:
Indian Army, Pak army(protecting the Bihari's and Bengalis), Bengalis and Biharis :eek: :eek:
So they want change the narrative and make Suharwardy equally cupable and make a three man job:Nehru/Congress, Muslims/Jinnah and the Bengalis/Suharwardy.
The reason that East P did not survive is because : the evil hindu baniya refused to give Calcutta with all the infrastructre.
Hence the new East P with no factories and infrastructure collapsed. But no fault of Military :lol:

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby g.sarkar » 31 Dec 2019 23:00

Mahathir Mohamad will support but not take Pakis, only India must take them:
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2128138/1- ... ve-months/
'B4G' amnesty scheme: 'Over 8,000 Pakistanis repatriated from Malaysia in five months'
By News DeskPublished: December 31, 2019
Over 8,000 illegal immigrants of Pakistani origin have been repatriated from Malaysia since August 2019, the Foreign Office said on Monday.
The Pakistani nationals returned to the country under the Malaysian government’s Back4good (B4G) Amnesty Scheme to facilitate voluntary repatriation to countries of origin starting from August 1, 2019 and ending on December 31, 2019.
“As a result of extensive efforts by the High Commission of Pakistan in Kuala Lumpur, over 8,000 Pakistanis have returned home safely under this Amnesty Scheme, without facing detention or fines,” the official communique said.
A special PIA flight was arranged to bring the immigrants from Kuala Lumpur.
“We are honoured to have brought back the stranded Pakistanis and uniting them with their families!,” PIA said in a statement. “Flying them back on Flight 9895 from Kuala Lumpur, PIA is always there to serve its people when the nation calls!”.
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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Sanju » 01 Jan 2020 00:13

nailainayat

India may stage false flag operation against Pakistan: Shah Mahmood Qureshi. Not to forget Qureshi had promised us an Indian attack between April 16-20 of this year. Wonder what happened there..


See the hilarious comments on that timeline.

India may stage false flag operation against Pakistan: FM Qureshi

ISLAMABAD: Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi has expressed the apprehensions that India may stage a false flag operation to divert world’s attention from grave human rights violations in occupied Kashmir.

Chairing the meeting of the Consultation Council on Foreign Affairs in Islamabad, FM Qureshi said the entire India is protesting against the Modi-regime’s Hindutva policies, Radio Pakistan reported.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby VKumar » 01 Jan 2020 01:30

A recent article in Dawn states that a large portion of pukis are mentally retarded. Probably due to inbreeding.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Vivek Kumar » 01 Jan 2020 04:18

VKumar wrote:A recent article in Dawn states that a large portion of pukis are mentally retarded. Probably due to inbreeding.


A study published about 10 years ago claimed that paki brains weigh up to 200 g less than normal human brain. And it is due to inbreeding. There was an article in NYT about that study.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby vimal » 01 Jan 2020 05:58

Vivek Kumar wrote:
VKumar wrote:A recent article in Dawn states that a large portion of pukis are mentally retarded. Probably due to inbreeding.


A study published about 10 years ago claimed that paki brains weigh up to 200 g less than normal human brain. And it is due to inbreeding. There was an article in NYT about that study.


here you go:

Mirpur Pakistani's have smaller brain due to inbreeding
Sept. 24, 2002

They have discovered a gene that apparently determines the brain's size. The gene has come to light through study of a disease known as microcephaly, in which people are born with a head and brain significantly smaller than usual. Patients are in general only mildly retarded but have far fewer neurons.

The microcephalic patients might not have come to clinical attention but for a dam that was completed in 1967 in the Mirpur Province of Pakistani-controlled Kashmir. Some 50,000 Pakistanis were displaced by the rising waters, and many emigrated to Bradford, in the British midlands. The emigrants included some large families with many marriages between close relatives, a circumstance that can make genetic disease more evident.

Dr. C. Geoffrey Woods, a pediatrician at St. James's University Hospital in nearby Leeds, started to notice microcephalic children among his Pakistani patients. Working with Dr. Christopher A. Walsh, a neurogeneticist at the Harvard Medical School, he located a causative gene in 24 families with microcephaly.

In family members with the condition, their copies of the gene from both the mother's and father's side carried a one-letter change, or mutation, in the DNA sequence. The mutations produced an inadvertent stop signal in the gene, causing the cell to make a cut-down version of the gene's normal protein, the researchers report in Nature Genetics.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Karthik S » 01 Jan 2020 14:47

Vivek Kumar wrote:
VKumar wrote:A recent article in Dawn states that a large portion of pukis are mentally retarded. Probably due to inbreeding.


A study published about 10 years ago claimed that paki brains weigh up to 200 g less than normal human brain. And it is due to inbreeding. There was an article in NYT about that study.


That should hold good for anyone who marries first cousins etc, regardless of nationality no?

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Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Peregrine » 01 Jan 2020 18:13

We keep ourselves away from politics, we follow govt directives: Gen Bipin Rawat – PTI

NEW DELHI: Newly-appointed Chief of Defence Staff General Bipin Rawat on Wednesdaysaid the armed forces stay far away from politics and work as per the directives of the government in power, remarks that come amid allegations that the forces were being politicised.

He also said that his focus as the CDS will be to integrate the efforts of the three services and to work as a team.

"I want to assure you, that the Army, the Navy and the Air Force will work as a team. The CDS will keep control over them, but action will be taken through teamwork, " said Gen Rawat after receiving a Guard of Honour by the three services.

Asked about allegations that the Army was being politicised and questions being raised by the Congress over the creation of the CDS' post, he said, "We stay away, we stay far away from politics. We work on the directives of the government in power."

The Congress on Tuesday had raised several questions over the appointment of Gen Rawat as the CDS, saying the government has started on a "wrong foot".

Some Opposition politicians have accused Gen Rawat of having political leanings.

Gen Rawat, who took charge as CDS on Wednesday, said his focus will be to ensure best and optimal use of resources allocated to the three services.

"The task cut out for the Chief of Defence Staff is to integrate the three services and enhance their capability. We will continue working towards that, " he said.

"The CDS will not try to run a force by his directions. Integration is needed. We have to ensure that 1+1+1 combine of the three services adds up to 5 or 7 and not 3. You have to achieve more through synergy and integration, that is the aim of the CDS," Gen Rawat said.

Apart from giving attention to integration and joint training, he said efforts will be made to ensure uniformity and integrating of systems for procurement so that the Army, the Navy and the Air Force can work in coordination with each other.

Asked about establishment of theatre commands, Gen Rawat said, "There are methods of doing theaterisation, I think we all are copying western methods and what others have done. We can have our own systems. We will work out mechanisms through understanding with each other and I think it will work."

On the government's time line of three years for achieving integration between the forces, the CDS said it was possible and he will strive to achieve it.

Asked about the killing of two army personnel in a gunfight with heavily-armed Pakistani infiltrators along the Line of Control (LoC) in Jammu and Kashmir's Rajouri district, he said he would not like to comment on it.

"Plans are not made open to public. Don't want to comment on that, " he said when asked if there were plans of the three services acting on Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK).

Gen Rawat also said that he would remain neutral to the three services as the CDS.

"My head is feeling lighter because, I have had to take off that angled Gurkha hat that I have been working with for 41 years, I have come back to this peak cap that I am wearing which is to say that we are now neutral. Will be neutral to all the three services, " he said.

Asked about the challenges on the northern border and China's actions there, the general said the Army will continue to work through integrated efforts.

Gen Rawat, with a distinguished career behind him, retired from the post of the Army Chief on Tuesday after a three-year tenure. On Monday, he was appointed India's first CDS.

He will be able to serve as the CDS for a period of up to three years after the government amended the rules extending the age of retirement to 65 years.

The Cabinet Committee on Security had, in a landmark decision last week, approved the creation of the CDS who will act as the principal military adviser to the defence minister on all matters relating to tri-services.

A key mandate of the CDS will be to facilitate restructuring of military commands for optimal utilisation of resources by bringing about jointness in operations, including through establishment of joint/theatre commands.

In Video : Focus will be to integrate the efforts of three services: CDS Gen Bipin Rawat
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Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Peregrine » 01 Jan 2020 18:38

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Guddu » 01 Jan 2020 21:07

https://youtu.be/jnHIpQUyquY

Around 7 min onwards, Arif says Pak is planning to pass legislation within the next 3 months or so to incorporate POK in Pak. Perhaps we need a thread on Incorporating POK in India...

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby manjgu » 01 Jan 2020 21:22

gilgit baltistan ( formerly known as northern areas of NLI fame !! ) has already been incorporated

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby VKumar » 01 Jan 2020 21:56

Guddu wrote:https://youtu.be/jnHIpQUyquY

Around 7 min onwards, Arif says Pak is planning to pass legislation within the next 3 months or so to incorporate POK in Pak. Perhaps we need a thread on Incorporating POK in India...

There is a resolution in parliament, about 25 years ago saying that Pak occupied Kashmir, GB, are integral part of India.

There are vacant seats in Assembly and Parliament awaiting the representatives of these occupied territories.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Guddu » 01 Jan 2020 22:43

It seems impossible that we can take back POK...how can this be done.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby dinesh_kimar » 01 Jan 2020 22:56

^ Surgical slice?

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby madhu » 01 Jan 2020 23:12

Guddu wrote:https://youtu.be/jnHIpQUyquY

Around 7 min onwards, Arif says Pak is planning to pass legislation within the next 3 months or so to incorporate POK in Pak. Perhaps we need a thread on Incorporating POK in India...

This can call for war. Pak use to tell & fight for azadi for kashmir in world and UN. Now that it integrate , we can use that pretext and go for war. Just like how pak wants to but can't wage a war after A370 abrogation.


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