Terroristan - November 11, 2019

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby nachiket » 24 Apr 2020 19:30

I think the movie you are speaking of is Main Hoon Na.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Aditya_V » 24 Apr 2020 21:19

Yup, I never Pakistani miltary in negative role in these movies.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby SBajwa » 24 Apr 2020 22:01

Bart S wrote:


This is an absolute must watch! Javed Miandad making a fool of Dimran (and himself) on a live show during Dimmy's telethon. :rotfl:



Well! He along with Dawood supplies the crack,heroine,etc to imm the dim niazi.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby schinnas » 24 Apr 2020 22:46

English translation / summary would be appreciated.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Bart S » 25 Apr 2020 00:03

schinnas wrote:English translation / summary would be appreciated.


Making a fool of Imran:

He said something to the effect of "It seems like all through our lives we have been asking for donations and charity and constantly asking for money is our fate. I know Imran since I was a young person and since they he has been always asking for money so he has a lot of experience with it."

Making a fool of himself:

"Let Imran meet me just once, I have ideas whereby the whole debt of the nation will disappear. I am a calculator, as he knows :eek: "

Soon after that, the channels cut his feed. :rotfl:

He later then 'clarified' (or was forced to) his comments, stating that he was just trying to support Imran.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Prem » 25 Apr 2020 03:24

https://defence-blog.com/army/china-rep ... istan.html
China reportedly begin delivery of modern VT4 main battle tanks to Pakistan

n 2019, the Pakistan Army Armoured Corps has selected the Chinese VT4 tank – produced by Norinco – to meet requirements for procuring hundreds of new main battle tanks.A military analyst, Muzammil Hatami announced the selection of the Norinco VT4 for increasing of Pakistani armoured vehicle fleet.“VT4 has confirmed for future Pakistan army tank and Alkhalid II main battle tank is in developing phase,” – said Muzammil Hatami during 10th International IDEAS defense exhibition in Karachi, Pakistan.The VT4 is a third-generation MBT offered for export by Norinco. It is an improvement over the Al-Khalid MBT (also known as MBT-2000), which is currently in service with Pakistan Army, although it retains the 125 mm main gun, carousel auto-loader, and crew configuration of the older vehicle.Despite the fact that the future tank’s tender details kept at a secret, it was reported that Pakistan might procure around 100 MBTs in order to meet the deficiency of MBT production in the country.According to local sources, NORINCO delivered the first of 17 military vehicles compromising of VT4 main battle tanks, SH5 105mm wheeled self-propelled howitzers and ST1 tank destroys.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Kakkaji » 25 Apr 2020 05:58

dinesh_kimar wrote:^

I remind fellow BRFites of tactical blunders in 1971.

I recently read that 12 Corps Southern Command under Gen.Bewoor had actually captured 15,000 + sq.km of territory in Western front, aided in no small measure by raids from Brig.Bhawni Singh of 10 Para and Brig.Desmond Hayde of 3 Jat (in 1965 not 1971)

The only prize the Pakis had worth mentioning was Chaamb.

Sadly, on the negotiations table in 1972, all Paki territory was returned in Western sector, Chaamb was allowed to be kept by them and the 90000 POWs were returned.

Now you tell me, wat kind of turkey does a deal like this?


I think we captured and kept Kargil in 1971.

The deal in the Western secor was, and I am not defending it, that outside J&K both sides return captured territory and return to status quo ante.

In J&K, both sides were to keep whatever they had captured.

So, the Pakis kept Chhamb, we kept Kargil. IIRC, we also had capturd some important areas across the LoC which we kept.

One big mistake that was made was that the area beyond Kargil was not explicitly marked on the map of agreement. It just send the line goes "thence North". That is what the Pakis used later to start the dispute in Siachen.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Guddu » 25 Apr 2020 07:25

India is member of G20, Pak member of G4. Take that endia.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1551770/pakis ... south-asia

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby SSridhar » 25 Apr 2020 08:32

Kakkaji wrote:One big mistake that was made was that the area beyond Kargil was not explicitly marked on the map of agreement. It just send the line goes "thence North". That is what the Pakis used later to start the dispute in Siachen.

After the 1947-48 war ended due to India taking the issue to the United Nations, the Army commanders of both sides met in Karachi in 1949 to delineate the Ceasrfire Line (CFL). They could precisely delineate the CFL only upto a certain map-grid point, known as Khor or NJ980420. This is a point approximately mid-way between the Nubra and the Shyok rivers between the Ladakh and the Saltoro Ranges and at the southern end of the Saltoro range. The military commanders agreed that the CFL would run "thence north to the glaciers".

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby schinnas » 25 Apr 2020 10:55

We also "captured" Siachen in the 80s. The fact is post 1947, PoK size has only gone down with Kargil and Siachen. The benefit of Simla agreement to India was to annul the mistake of Nehru in internationalising Kashmir by bringing it back as a bilateral issue. So it is incorrect to say that IG didn't get anything post war. India was against a very strong US-UK coalition led by Nixon and Kissinger who were out to protect West Pakistan at any cost. If Pakistan walks out of Simla agreement, India can walk out of IWT. Though I am not sure how legally equivalent a treaty and agreement are. At a minimum, it gives the excuse and PR needed for India to walk out of IWT. India should play this card openly. We haven't fully milked Simla agreement, imho.

Coming to what could have been better, IG should have secured release of India PoW in western sector. That definitely was a miss. IG trusted Bhutto's promise and didn't secure it. India should have made it a condition for any other bilateral talks to resume after Bhutto was killed.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby dinesh_kimar » 25 Apr 2020 12:14

schinnas wrote: The fact is post 1947, PoK size has only gone down with Kargil and Siachen. The benefit of Simla agreement to India was to annul the mistake of Nehru in internationalising Kashmir by bringing it back as a bilateral issue. So it is incorrect to say that IG didn't get anything post war. India was against a very strong US-UK coalition led by Nixon and Kissinger who were out to protect West Pakistan at any cost. If Pakistan walks out of Simla agreement, India can walk out of IWT. Though I am not sure how legally equivalent a treaty and agreement are. At a minimum, it gives the excuse and PR needed for India to walk out of IWT. India should play this card openly. We haven't fully milked Simla agreement.


Post 1947, POK has remained the same, as Skardu and Baltistan have been with Pak. We have not committed any aggression here.

Kargil was never with them, and was very much part of our territory since operations in the 1948 Kashmir war, when
Princely state of Jammu & Kashmir acceded to India.

Siachen was also demarkated as "north to the glaciers", which the Pakis have interpreted as "East", including vast swathes of Indian territory including that well within the LOC.

They have committed Cartographic agression , including documents prepared by US Armed forces in the 1970s showing as their territory. (The basis for these documents , the proofs, are contrary to international accepted cartographic practices and were mischievously created by US mapmakers in the 1970s to support their frontline ally, Pakistan).

The Indian Govt. Has to take a tough stand to defend legitimate Indian territory irrespective of any Nixon Kissinger, because that is their job.

Pak have very much broken Simla agreement by conducting war operations in Kargil in 1999, as well as ceasefire violations on the LOC, but we haven't walked out of IWT, again confirming that many of our Govt. Officials/ Politicians are not very courageous or patriotic, but prefer lip sympathy because their ass is not on the line.

IMHO, India cant play the Simla Card and milk this agreement.

IG hasn't milked the Simla agreement or gained anything from it.
(One needs good dynamic people to advise them, and same mistakes are being continued by Modi).

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby jash_p » 25 Apr 2020 20:33

Immy don't wants lock down and theory among Paki elite is that due to no lock down there will be thousand of death in short time and that time Immy can asked for debt forgiveness.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby schinnas » 25 Apr 2020 20:50

Pakis are hiding their number of deaths because they want to show one up on India, they wouldn't want the number of cases, deaths and death rate to be higher or even closer to India. The truth is Pakistan cannot enforce a lockdown without using most of their army - otherwise aam abduls will not adhere to a complete lockdown. So he took a safe route and says we have to protect people from hunger, etc.

If he diverts most of the army to manage lockdown in Sindh and Punjab, he can say good bye to Balochistan and PoK.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Vips » 25 Apr 2020 22:07

jash_p wrote:Immy don't wants lock down and theory among Paki elite is that due to no lock down there will be thousand of death in short time and that time Immy can asked for debt forgiveness.


A couple of lakhs dead porkis wont matter to the lending countries.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby chetak » 25 Apr 2020 22:08

schinnas wrote:Pakis are hiding their number of deaths because they want to show one up on India, they wouldn't want the number of cases, deaths and death rate to be higher or even closer to India. The truth is Pakistan cannot enforce a lockdown without using most of their army - otherwise aam abduls will not adhere to a complete lockdown. So he took a safe route and says we have to protect people from hunger, etc.

If he diverts most of the army to manage lockdown in Sindh and Punjab, he can say good bye to Balochistan and PoK.


the paki army has chosen not to engage with anyone on the lockdown thing.

they have abandoned niazi to deal with the jehadis and the chinese virus on his own because bajwa doesn't want to tangle with the jehadis on this count so niazi is going to be taking the hit all by himself as he is already doing for the economic fiasco also.

bajwa does nor care what hapens to niazi just as long as no blame is laid at the paki army's door.

it will cost bajwa tens of lakhs per day to deal with the jehadis and he is wisely keeping his meagre supply of powder dry.

as it is, the pakis are quietly paying off the interest to the cheeni on the CPEC loans and the cheenis will not be denied their payments from an unwashed vassal state.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby g.sarkar » 26 Apr 2020 00:50

As long as Bushra Bibi Khan, (known as Pinky Peerni to her admirers,) is supporting Dimran, there is nothing to fear.
Gautam

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Brad Goodman » 26 Apr 2020 01:42

With Oil prices crashing, expect a lot of Paki workers to return home and also remittances drying up. Pakis will be seeing screws tightening after that.
https://www.dawn.com/live-blog/#1552220

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby yensoy » 26 Apr 2020 12:12

And if they don't get the wuhanvirus numbers down, these workers won't be allowed back to the Gulf and other destinations.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Bart S » 26 Apr 2020 23:02


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_RscImmFuw

During Dimmy's telethon Maulana Tareq Jameel apparently blamed Pakistani wimmens for Allah's curse, and the more well-heeled ones are now upset about it.

Some notable points:
-Madame Jalebi's spawn has fallen very far from the proverbial tree (in a good way; though she still hates India just as much as her mom)
-This Tareq Jameel is the Paki head of the Tableeghi Jamaat, and he not only got the scheduled TJ meetings called off, but also appealed to people to pray in their homes, no doubt after the faujis did some plain speaking to him. Only in India do these nutjobs get so much leeway.
-Amir Khan went to meet this same fellow and took photos with him. I wonder if he endorses his regressive views.
-I have noticed that almost all Paki shows bring up gau mutr in India whenever they have to discuss some of their own regressive problems. It seems to give them some fig leaf of equal equal, though virtually nobody in India other than some crazy fringe even mentioned that, let along somebody in government/administration or any religious leaders of note.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby johb » 28 Apr 2020 00:08

https://arynews.tv/en/inside-story-of-f ... emoval/amp

Firdous Ashiq Awan sacked for embezzlement, misuse of powers: sources
Abdul Qadir On Apr 27, 2020


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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Manish_P » 01 May 2020 11:35

Gotta hand it to the Pakis. Couldn't create an app to keep track of their own COVOID infected people but have developed an app to track Indian military personnel

Indian Army warns security personnel about fake Aarogya Setu app developed by Pakistan to steal information

The Indian army has issued warnings to its personnel against Pakistani intelligence agencies’ new tactics to hack the phones of Indian Military personnel through an application similar to the Aarogya Setu app.

The army stated, “Inimical Intelligence agencies have developed a malicious app by the name of Aarogya Setu.apk. Such apps were found to be sent by Pakistan-based Pakistani Intelligence operatives to Whatsapp groups of Indian Army personnel.”

Reportedly, Pakistani intelligent agencies have developed a fake Aarogya Setu app designed to steal information from Indians. The app has the capability of collecting the locations of users and sending it to its creator without the knowledge of the user. Therefore, if the app is downloaded on the phone security personnel, Pakistan will be able to track the movement of such personnel and their troops.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby schinnas » 01 May 2020 14:14

This is Cheen helping Pakis. The tech and app will be Cheen. Pakis would have provided HUMINT and social engineering skills to push that app to IA WhatsApp groups.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Karan M » 01 May 2020 18:05

Gotta admire their single minded hatred of India and desire to one-up no matter what the time, or place. Scumbags.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Philip » 02 May 2020 09:00

Exiled Pak journo in Sweden,Sajid Hussain has been founc dead in a river.He wrote extensively on human rights abuses in Baluchistan and received many death threats.Scandinavian countries have had huge Paki immigrants taking advantage of their openness and relaxed lifestyle,attempting to impose Islamic sharia,etc. on these Christian nations. It is now apparent that the ISI is bent upon bumping off all anti- Pak journos and activists,especially those reporting on the genocide it is carrying out in Baluchistan.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Gerard » 02 May 2020 09:26

Sajid Hussain, the editor of an ethnic Baloch news website, fled Pakistan in 2012 after getting death threats and was granted political asylum in Sweden.Balochistan, in the west of Pakistan, has been the scene of a long-running nationalist insurgency.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52506938

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby vimal » 02 May 2020 09:52

Gerard wrote:Sajid Hussain, the editor of an ethnic Baloch news website, fled Pakistan in 2012 after getting death threats and was granted political asylum in Sweden.Balochistan, in the west of Pakistan, has been the scene of a long-running nationalist insurgency.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52506938


But a Swedish police spokesman told the BBC their initial investigation did not suggest any foul play in the death.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Philip » 02 May 2020 14:09

Ha!Ha! No foul play...he must've " suicided " himself then!
Just like the famous case of Dr.Kelly during the lead-up Iraq war.He knew Saddam had no chem weapons and was to spill the beans but was found dead in a wood supposedly killing himself in a most peculiar fashion. I was told years ago that some of the cops who found him were positive it was m....r most foul!

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Ambar » 02 May 2020 18:51

Arif Wazir a human rights activist and member of PTM has succumbed to his injuries in Islamabad. Including the latest death, PTM's Ali Wazir has now lost 18 members of his family fighting for dignity and freedom for Pashtuns.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Philip » 03 May 2020 09:58

With the increasing numbers of terrorists being pushed across into Kashmir,we should pay the Pakis back,many times over in Baluchistan ,Sindh and the so-called FATA/ NWFP regions. Reducing dpl. contacts,trade,visitations,etc. with Pak as punishment for its terror must be the order of the day. Why waste time asininely talking to it ,instead the time and money spent should be in strengthening the armed forces,diplomacy to corner Pak internationally and to pro-actively put in motion an accelerated plan for the dismemberment of Pak.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby shaun » 03 May 2020 17:29

http://therealkashmir.com/jinaza-e-karo ... militants/

Jinaza-e-Karobar Mechanics of Funeral Procession of Militants
2 May 2020
The news of large crowd joining the funeral procession of three local militants out of five killed in Keran Sector of Kupwara district of Kashmir made me inquisitive to know as to how the funeral procession of a militant who has not even been operating in Kashmir was attended by such a large number of people. I had heard of all kinds of stories about these processions ranging from “death of militants causes frenzy of martyrdom among people from across the age groups” at one extreme to “it is one of many businesses such as protests and stone pelting that thrive in the conflict industry” on the other extreme.

Between these two poles, there were plenty of explanations about why a particular methodology is adopted, why is body draped in green, why always a particular group of youth or maulvis are visible, why women beat their chests in a particular manner or sing songs of blood and valour? Since majority of explanations were beyond the scope of my logics, I decided to get the first hand experience of one or two processions.

I shared this desire with a Kashmiri youth who is an activist by nature but critique of violence and conflict. He suggested to me that before I attend a procession proper, he will expose me to the various contributing components of the procession and also that I must grow my beard.At the first go, on 13th March, on hearing the news of Mudasir Ahmad, a militant from Shutloo village, Rafiabad in Baramulla getting killed by the security forces, he told me that he will be taking me to another village Rahama which has considerable Jamat-e-Islami influence, in the vicinity of Shutloo – the village from where the slain militant belonged. I was very inquisitive about what was I going to witness that day. He explained that we will be going to the house of one of the locals who is a close family friend of his and who will not mind sharing certain truths. Few hours after we reached, a Jamat-e-Islami activist known as Nasir (name changed) appeared at his house and informed that Namaz-e-Janaza of the martyr will be starting and atleast two members per family must attend.

When Mukhtar (name changed) told us as to what was the diktat given by the visitor, I asked him whether he would abide by the directive? He told me that he can’t avoid because someone sitting at a shop next doors or at another corner will be taking a note of who is going to attend the procession and who is not. Those who don’t, will face retribution. Trying to seek more information about the credentials of the messenger, I learnt that he is some sort of contractor who has been paid to generate a portion of the crowd from the village. He uses the threat of action by militants or religious punishment or social pressure against the people to mobilize them for procession. There would be a network of hundreds like him who would work like a well oiled machine to ensure that crowd generation looks like a voluntary phenomenon.

My natural response was as to who pays for it and why? I learnt that Jamat-e-Islami is a key element of the Kashmir separatist movement. Processions being extremely vital means for keeping the sentiment alive, ensuring that the cause is seen as just, inciting youth for joining militancy and above all for attaching the element of honour with Jihad. These are funded by Pakistan, local religious bodies and even business community that owes, is forced or coerced to submit allegiance to the cause.

During yester years, when sentiment of Azadi was genuinely high, the crowd in procession was natural. But, with passage of time, people are no more interested in wasting time on a youth who has gone astray and try to avoid. Moreover, this has become lucrative business because there are contractors and sub contractors, there are funeral brigades and groups of women who serve well to beat their chests and cry out loud, thereby presenting a good sight for videos to be recorded and fed to Pakistani handles for propaganda. Learning all this multiplied my curiosity for going through the entire motion of funeral procession of one or two militants.

Then came the occasion when I was indicated by Iqbal (name changed) that he would be taking me to Shutloo where the procession of Mudasir is due to take off from. We reached the village well before time when even the dead body had not been handed over to the family by Police. So, as a mourner, I got a chance to sit next to the father and mother of Mudasir and could listen to the conversation filled with sadness and remorse. Like any other parent who lost their son, they too went through the life time of their son. How he grew as a child, how the environment played on the psyche of youth, how radicalisation in society was affecting the minds of young impressionable minds, and so on. In between, the mother starts blaming the father on how he failed to check the son when he started getting attracted towards fundamentalist thoughts of some ulemas.

She also quoted an instance when she had picked up a fight asking the father to stop him from meeting the separatist leaders who were corroding sanity from his mind. The mother started blaming the father wishing that if he had played the role of strong father, the son would be alive. She even quoted the instance when the son had broken the news that he wished to join the Azadi tandem. How she had pleaded to the son and father to leave Valley and settle down somewhere else but they didn’t pay any heed to her calls. Listening to the talks, there was no doubt in my mind that a parent is a parent, so what if the son is a militant. Their hearts bleed for the child and they are as helpless as anyone else. There was also no myth left in my mind about the reasons for young guys picking up guns. It had to do nothing with the movement, it had nothing to do with the conscious call, it was rather all to do with emotional fallout of what is played before them, it is all to do with false sense of manhood that they acquire by holding guns and it has all to do with lack of hope and dream.

Slowly, the people trickled in and the sense of loss prevailed in the environment. Thus far, there was no Azadi, no martyrdom or even religious purpose of death. It was pure mourning because those who were around were real well wishers, genuine friends and relatives. It was time for the body to arrive. Minutes before the Police brought the body, a group of 15 young and adult youths arrived. They carried a special aura around them, a feel of professionalism. Few of them reached out to parents, whispered into their ears (which was learnt later that parents were being directed as to how they have to behave and what they have to say during the course of preparation and actual procession), few reached out to friends and relatives while the rest got into the act of making a makeshift platform high enough to be visible to maximum people who congregate.

My friend Mukhtar explained to me that these people were part of the Funeral Brigade meant to orchestrate the entire proceedings, adding the effect and emotion of Azadi. Likes of Nasir were perhaps pushing the people from hundreds of villages and townships. The crowd started swelling. Soon the ambulance carrying the mortal remains of the militant arrives duly escorted by Police. The crowd makes the way for the body to be taken to the platform. Suddenly, a slogan “hamei chahiye” (meaning what do we want), is raised and promptly comes the response “Azadi”. The response was faint and this annoys the Funeral Brigade. Strong gestures are made by one of them, seemingly the leaders or commander, towards the other members of the Brigade to ensure high intensity sloganeering. The effect was immediately visible. Within no time a group of veiled women arrives followed by some more youth. The jostling among previous lot from Funeral Brigade vindicated that the latest group of men and women too are part of the same effort. The men from this group push through the jostling crowd and reach the body of the militant to kiss the militant’s forehead, touch his feet and rub their hands on their body while women started crying in loud voices with extreme emotional outpouring. It was evident that some kind of reverential treatment was being given to the militant by the men folk whereas women were adding to the feeling of personal loss. Women started resorting to chest thumping and cries so strong that even the most dissociated person like me started getting impacted. The crowd continued to swell with every passing minute. Slogans of azadi started turning more aggressive and the environment was getting charged up. Soon a group of teenagers took to the microphone, exhorting mourners to continue their “azadi struggle” by singing songs of defiance. The mood was now changing into that of “celebration” of martyrdom. Soon I drifted towards the place where parents of the militant were sitting. I could clearly discern that the members of Funeral Brigade were constantly putting words into their mouth, thereby changing the entire line of expression. Poor parents were not even allowed to mourn the death of their child in peace. The procession was being deliberately delayed, perhaps in the wait for more crowd to gather. The policemen at the place were constantly approaching the parents to start the procession. Perhaps they had orders from their bosses to ensure early funeral.

Every time a militant is killed, the local police and civil administration gets concerned about protests and vandalisation. Procession finally starts with the Funeral Brigade into full action. People, mobilized by JeI keep joining enroute and the crowd keeps swelling up. Members of the Brigade remain busy clicking photographs and videos as also forwarding to their masters for further propagation. Another local person who was apparently more enlightened than the others about the conflict dynamics explained “these visuals are also the proof for Funeral Brigade to claim their remuneration for the job job well done.

They send them to masters within Kashmir, who in turn send these visuals to people sitting across for propagation to the audiences within Pakistan, OPEC countries and rest of the world.” Amid the slogans for Azadi, praise for Pakistan, abuses for the occupational forces and all sorts of filthy phrases for India, the procession reaches the burial ground. At the burial ground, one more strange activity drew my attention towards a lady. A fat middle aged woman, draped in ‘burqa’ appeared at the funeral site of the militant. She had a green polythene bag under her arm and claimed to have come from some far off place just to say goodbye to her militant son (anyone who is a militant becomes her son). Such stories of devotion towards those who lay down their lives for Azadi, draw lot of media attention and sympathy from people. All the acts put together, generate enough mileage among youth and they get drawn towards joining militancy.

This lady was not related to the militant biologically, yet she claimed that she had breastfed him when he was an infant. I learnt later that this act was also part of the many machinations constituting the Jinazah-e-Karobar or the business of funeral procession. The optics such as withered plastic sandals, tired look justifying long distance walk and looks indicating how tormented she was on hearing the news about his killing add immensely to the propaganda related to the Azadi. As if the members of Azadi brigade were waiting for her, they lost no time and lifted her onto their shoulders and carried her to the militant’s bullet-riddled body.Once there, she kissed his bullet-pocked, deformed face, took a handful of candies from the bag and threw them on his body, a tradition observed when Kashmiri grooms return home with their brides.She then addressed the crowd.”Would you like to become a police officer?” she began, to which the angry crowd chanted back “No, we won’t!””Would you like to become a militant?” she continued.”Yes, we will,” the crowd roared in response.”Would you like to become Tiger?” she said, referring to a famous Kashmiri militant Burhan Wani, also known as Burhan Tiger, who was killed in 2016.”Yes, we want to!” the crowd responded.”Then say it loudly,” she shouted.”Azadi! (freedom),” the crowd responded.Interacting with some reasonable people suggested that this was almost common to all the funerals undertaken anywhere in Kashmir, particularly South Kashmir.

The larger perspective of the funeral processions for which ISI and separatists are heavily investing, is to create role models and heroes for imitation by the young generation. This gives them courage to start defying the law and order, pelt stones and stand in front of Indian Army vehicles to block their movement. They block roads and by lanes when militants are cordoned by security forces. Then, they resort to violence and agitations to obstruct the conduct of operations. Any untoward incident, further generates anger and violence. Often, an act of firing from among someone who is part of the crowd sparks and fuels the spiral of deadly violence.Militant leader Burhan Wani’s death in a gun battle with government forces in July 2016 initiated a long drawn violence in the valley.

The impact of such processions is so quick that a young lady joins the militant rank with few days and even gets killed in operation. One often hears or reads that so and so was few days old militant which was also the case this time with Mudasir as he had joined militancy just eight days back and got killed.

Written by M. S. Nazki

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby schinnas » 03 May 2020 19:00

Very important to bury the terrorists anonymously and restrict such processions. But such processions can happen even without the body. So there needs to be targeted attacks on the instigators. Jamaat e Islamic leaders of the area should just disappear whenever such funeral processions happen. This whole tamasha will end shortly.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby SBajwa » 04 May 2020 00:01

Burn the bodies in pig fat and publicize it. They will desist to become terrorists as body burned with pig fat is not allowed the entry into Jannat and without 72 houris.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby nam » 04 May 2020 00:33

There is no need to flame up the passion with unnecessary acts.

All GoI has to do is to send the cops to the house of the family and ask them which burial ground they would like the body to be taken and who else needs to be there for the funeral. Get those family members to the burial ground to carry out last rites.

No else allowed. If the groups gather at the burial grounds, let the parents know, there will no burial until the crowd leaves.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby KJo » 04 May 2020 00:33

schinnas wrote:Very important to bury the terrorists anonymously and restrict such processions. But such processions can happen even without the body. So there needs to be targeted attacks on the instigators. Jamaat e Islamic leaders of the area should just disappear whenever such funeral processions happen. This whole tamasha will end shortly.


That takes gumption and chankyan-ness. I was hoping Amit Shah would be that type, but it does not look like that.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Ambar » 04 May 2020 00:48

KJo wrote:
schinnas wrote:Very important to bury the terrorists anonymously and restrict such processions. But such processions can happen even without the body. So there needs to be targeted attacks on the instigators. Jamaat e Islamic leaders of the area should just disappear whenever such funeral processions happen. This whole tamasha will end shortly.


That takes gumption and chankyan-ness. I was hoping Amit Shah would be that type, but it does not look like that.


There was an announcement last month that this practice will stop after hundreds came to the streets in Shopian after 4 terrorists were killed.

J&K to stop handing over bodies of terrorists to their families.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 361463.cms

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Vivek K » 04 May 2020 00:54

SBajwa wrote:Burn the bodies in pig fat and publicize it. They will desist to become terrorists as body burned with pig fat is not allowed the entry into Jannat and without 72 houris.

This should be done. The terrorists need to know we are deadly serious in sending them to Porkistan!!

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby schinnas » 04 May 2020 01:39

It seems some posters are commenting without reading the article or other posts carefully. Let me reiterate.

1. There is an organised group of instigators who arrange large crowds for funerals and processions. Virulent anti India sloganeering is instigated and videos sent all over the world.
2. Many are kind of compelled to join these and then whipped into a frenzy. Army should follow a calibrated approach. Not be aggressive on the participants but punish the organizers.
2. Army started buying bodies only with family members but funeral processions without the body still get organised in their native villages to whip up sentiments.
3. Burying the body anonymously alone isn't enough. The instigators need to feel pain so that this whole exercise of large scale processions loses steam.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby Gerard » 04 May 2020 05:15

SBajwa wrote:Burn the bodies in pig fat and publicize it. They will desist to become terrorists as body burned with pig fat is not allowed the entry into Jannat and without 72 houris.


This is a myth. Muslims may even eat pork if the alternative is death by starvation. The Koran says "But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclinations to sin - then indeed, Allah is forgiving and merciful."
No action of a kafir could interfere with entry of a Muslim into Jannat. All the public desecration of a body would do is inflame religious sentiments.

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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

Postby schinnas » 04 May 2020 15:24

India protests with Islamabad that Pakistan supreme court does not have jurisdiction over G&B and asks Pakistan to immediately vacate its illegal occupation. I feel this would be the theme of India's approach toward Pukis in international forum. In addition to asking them to stop terrorism, we are going to put pressure on them to vacate their illegal occupation.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 528532.cms

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