Terroristan - November 11, 2019

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India can very well turn this Paki strategy on its head and make them point this gun to their own head. India should tell US, if you can't focus on Afghanistan and China at the same time, India with much less resources cannot either. So its imperative for both of us to put out the small fire first, to be able to take on the bigger fire.

The smaller fire is "Af-Pak". Not Af alone because Taliban has a solid support line with Pak Army, Govt and society; and not Pak alone because they will just move their jehadis across the border into Af to screw US there while showing clean hands to India, and bring them back to show clean hands to US and redeploy against India. They have been doing this for decades now and have perfected this. Any durable solution in AF needs to include a solution for Paki problem as well. If the Af-Pak situation is resolved, then both India and US can focus completely on China.

How to solve the Paki problem? Just plaque removal won't do, even root canal won't be enough, when Maxillo-Facial surgery is required to change the face of these two countries. I like the idea of expanding and formalising the list of conditions in my post above into a FATF like, time bound, measurable list of actions for Pak to undertake and demonstrate verifiable results.

We can call it "Joint Healing Afghanistan And Pakistan Action Directive" administered together by US & India. :mrgreen:
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GoI should not give them a face-saving or freebie deal. Let them hand over NaPakistan illegally occupied Kashmir to India.

We are going to stop our share of water following to napak in the coming months and years. :mrgreen: World will see how loud they are going to cry :rotfl:
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manjgu wrote:in one of his vids MY said ..pakistan must also encourage pipeline to India thru Pak.

The IPI pipeline kite was floated during the ABV time and was negated soundly....Mush was all for it. Then that traitor Mani Aiyer become Petroleum minister in UPA I govt and he tried to push it through but to no effect again.....Pakis have tried all tactics in their quiver and have run out of ideas to keep India off balance.
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Cyrano wrote:..I like the idea of expanding and formalising the list of conditions in my post above into a FATF like, time bound, measurable list of actions for Pak to undertake and demonstrate verifiable results.

We can call it "Joint Healing Afghanistan And Pakistan Action Directive" administered together by US & India. :mrgreen:
I would request you to please do so.. some 20-30 odd well thought out points can be listed and propagated.

Who knows where and how high the thought process might go.. Perhaps the JHAPAD might well become India's own version of CAATSA, passed into law by the houses and thus bound to be complied by Goverment and private agencies.

Will be interesting to see how Pappu and Co handle that.. and if they do get back into power again they will need to repeal the law. Good luck explaining that to the indian masses.
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Deans wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:If Baluchistan is a separate Country, then these things become much better
Until then, Chabahar port, only a short distance from Chinese owned Gwadar, is a better alternative. It also has better road and rail
infrastructure in the hinterland.
Western Afghanistan, which has a Hazara (Shia) majority, is more peaceful and more India friendly than the Pashtun (Sunni) dominated Eastern Afghanistan. The US-Iran conflict has come in the way of Western Afghanistan's development.
In any case, like you said there are other ways to trade with that region. The pakis think "access to central asia" is one leverage they have over us which can be used during negotiations as a bargaining tool. They need to be disabused of this notion. The problem is our own intellectuals and talking heads keep speaking about this over and over. It has almost become a settled theory now that there is some great advantage to be obtained by direct access to central asia through Pakistan (or otherwise). At our current stage of development, it is simply not as important as it is made out to be. Since it is primarily an economic benefit we are looking at, there are far more important and impactful things we need to take care of internally which can catapult our economy into a fast growth trajectory, some of which the current government is already taking care of.
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Amb cameron munter made some imp points in the isloo conference 1. USA focus is now on area between Wagah and wellington ( ie indo pacific). the so called geo strategic location of pak is a thing of the past 2. USA is taking its eyes off Afghanistan and Middle east as well with the arabs and israel getting friendly and USA moving on the a petrol less future 3. pakistan must transform itself into a modern country with service and technology industry away from textile, agriculture. 4) pakistan can expect less US support on its kashmir position going into the future. 5) pakistan can stay relevant only as a modern progressive country.
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What exactly is this access to central Asia and how is it a big deal for us? Serious question.
All the countries in this region are sparsely populated, have low incomes and have hardly anything of value apart for claims of oil and mineral reserves. As things are progressing with renewable, oil is going to lose it's importance in 20-25 years anyway. Access to Europe can be one point, but shipping by sea is going to stay cheaper for decades.
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manjgu wrote:Amb cameron munter made some imp points in the isloo conference 1. USA focus is now on area between Wagah and wellington ( ie indo pacific). the so called geo strategic location of pak is a thing of the past 2. USA is taking its eyes off Afghanistan and Middle east as well with the arabs and israel getting friendly and USA moving on the a petrol less future 3. pakistan must transform itself into a modern country with service and technology industry away from textile, agriculture. 4) pakistan can expect less US support on its kashmir position going into the future. 5) pakistan can stay relevant only as a modern progressive country.
Link to report or a video?

btw what is this new security conference in Isloo? Looks like someone asked "if India can have a high profile Raisina dialogue, why can't we?"
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Exactly Jamwal ji! Thats also the reason OBOR is a bogus scheme, designed to get the Chinese a foot hold in a lot of poor countries to flex muscles and appear much bigger than it actually is.

All the resource rich countries have been grabbed by Europeans in colonial times, China is 200 years late there.
All Oil rich countries have been grabbed by US and Europe during the last century. China is a 100 years late there.
All high per capita $$$ consumer markets have been grabbed again by US & Europe post WW II, China is 75 years late there though it has made up to some extent by selling mostly cheap goods in huge volumes to nearly everyone on the planet.

Look at the OBOR map:
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There are no real market destinations between Chinese east coast and Europe. The only 2 bits that make some business sense are infact 1. The bit that connects Nanning to Kolkata and 2. CPEC through Pak to reach Arabian Gulf. The whole Eurasian middle region is scantily populated and has no significant consumer markets. Even they are already buying cheap Chinese goods, so what more will OBOR bring?

Pak is selling snake oil to us by saying "we will open a trade route for you to Central Asia". How much trade did Pakistan itself do there at the best of its times? And if they did do lucrative business, why would they share it with India which is a huge competitive threat and can overrun Paki businesses there? But thats not the point. The real sleight of hand trick in this "Pak giving India access to Central Asia" proposition is that by going along with this notion, India is actually giving up its claim to Gilgit-Batlistan. If we retake G-B we will have our own access and we can do what we please with it.
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Pakistan is the gate in to India. How much attention does one give to the gate of one's house?

What will Pakistan do, if we ignore them? Sanction us? stop buying Indian medicines? Bring down Bollywood by not watching?

If Pak uses terror to "get our attention", we will provide due attention with good number of standoff weapons. Pak is free to scream Kashmir, Kashmir, Kashmir...
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are these paki guys still part of the ummah or what


Saudi Arabia bars men from marrying women from Pakistan, Bangladesh and two other nations: Report

Saudi Arabia has prohibited its men from marrying women from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Chad and Myanmar, Dawn reported
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Imran Khan tests positive for covid 2 days after taking the first shot of the Chinese vaccine :rotfl:

Haram BBC link - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56468183
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Ambar wrote:Imran Khan tests positive for covid 2 days after taking the first shot of the Chinese vaccine :rotfl:

Haram BBC link - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56468183
the panic stricken clamor for the haram, Hindu made covid vaccines will rise exponentially in pukiland, even as the vaccine hesitancy against the han made sinopharm dose peaks.

nothing can be more of a setback for the hans, than to have their poster boy niazi in such dire post vaccine straits

maybe they should have tried some porcine vaccination on him

is bajwa getting bajawed next or is he too smart to get caught up in the sinopharm mess.

More than likely that he may "visit" India for "peace talks" and quietly get himself vaccinated here

well played, niazi. clean bowled on the very first ball and mid stump too
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Ambar wrote:Imran Khan tests positive for covid 2 days after taking the first shot of the Chinese vaccine :rotfl:

Haram BBC link - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56468183
He was at the Isloo conference with the pompous declaration about peace and strategy.

Most likely is now a super spreader event now. With everyone who went there infected with covid. Also what an apt metaphor

1. Pakistan has a problem
2. People in the world think they can and should help
3. Pakistan has now spread the problem to everyone who wanted to help
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Ambar wrote:Imran Khan tests positive for covid 2 days after taking the first shot of the Chinese vaccine :rotfl:

Haram BBC link - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56468183
At first I thought this was satire ! But then its Pak. Not even the most imaginative minds on the BENIS thread could have come up with this!
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:rotfl: :rotfl: Yes ! As we always say on BRF if Pakistan did not exist then it would be necessary to invent it ! What a nation of violent clowns ! :lol: :lol:
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His bibi too tested positive. Jinns did not help.
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saip wrote:His bibi too tested positive. Jinns did not help.
niazi is still at it :shock:
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https://www.dawn.com/news/1613320/govt- ... arms-in-kp
The Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government is planning to build two hydroelectric-powered pilot “mining farms” to capitalise on a bullish global cryptocurrency market, a minister overseeing a new government crypto policy told Reuters on Wednesday.

The announcement comes as cryptocurrencies are gaining mainstream acceptance, with Bitcoin’s price reaching record levels
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WTF is hydroelectric-powered pilot “mining farms” of crypto? these folks deserve to go back to the 6th century
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I think that may be code for free electricity to run a lot of computers for long periods, and it takes 10 minutes per bitcoin or that is what the claims are on the interwebs, and the going rate is 60,000$ per bitcoin, so free money, which is one of the steady revenue sources for Pakistan , for as long as it has been in existence as a pustulent sore of a country.
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That is completely ridiculous. It is well known that bitcoin mining is so power hungry that mining it makes sense only when power costs are abysmally low or highly subsidized. So these geniuses are going to be building the hydro plants with peoples' monies, then subsidizing some folks to mine bitcoins (possibly contracting them out to benamis). Great way to screw the masses. But only good thing is that by the time the hydro plants are built, bitcoin will be outlawed due to negative carbon emissions, fall in price, or become so ridiculously expensive to mine that even with the subsidy it won't pencil out.
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Atmavik wrote:WTF is hydroelectric-powered pilot “mining farms” of crypto? these folks deserve to go back to the 6th century
Djinn technology. Too complex for us to understand.
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saip wrote:His bibi too tested positive. Jinns did not help.
Didn't she text positive once before, along with their `driver' ?
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Here it is:
https://www.dawn.com/news/1613733/pm-wi ... e-tops-9pc
PM, wife contract Covid as positivity rate tops 9pc
Ikram Junaidi, March 21, 2021

• Modi sends best wishes to Imran
• Ministers dispel impression vaccine caused infection
• No vaccinations on Sundays, national holidays
• Pakistan Day parade to go ahead
ISLAMABAD: As Pakistan’s national positivity ratio surpassed nine per cent, Prime Minister Imran Khan on Saturday became the latest head of government in the world to contract Covid-19. His wife Bushra Bibi also tested positive for the virus.
It was decided that the staff of Prime Minister Office and contacts of the premier would be tested under the contact-tracing policy.
During the last 24 hours, the country saw the highest number of positive cases since July with 3,876 people getting infected.
Social media was abuzz throughout the day with the news of the prime minister testing positive for the novel coronavirus, triggering a debate on the effectiveness of the vaccine which he had received two days ago. Mr Khan’s diagnosis was confirmed by Special Assistant to the Prime Minister on Health Dr Faisal Sultan in a tweet. “PM Imran Khan has tested positive for Covid-19 and is self isolating at home,” he tweeted.
Later, it was revealed that Bus­hra Bibi, the prime minister’s spo­use, had also contracted the virus. Special Assistant to the Prime Minister on Overseas Pakistanis Zulfiqar Bukhari tweeted, “Wishing our First Lady & PM @ImranKhanPTI a speedy recovery. May Allah give them both shifa.”
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This is very confusing. What happened to the Djinns protecting the Peerni?
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Wow, the often ignored paki navy and the paki coast guard seem to be hitting back, both at the paki army and the Cabinet Committee on CPEC

does bajwa have the tomatoes to muscle both, the paki navy, and paki coast guard, out of the disputed zone and still keep everyone concerned reasonably happy.

the crore commanders may have to part with a very considerable part of their loot and perhaps, also cut the navy and coast guard in on all future collections.


is it a mutiny in the making, absolutely the very last thing that the hans and bajwa need right now.

Surely there are many in the paki army itself who are likely objecting to the same shameful sellout to the hans and they may well go on to precipitate a crisis, leaving the hans and the paki army staring at a disastrous stalemate of the kind never before seen in pukiland in it's 70 odd years' history




Pro-US Pak GHQ Navy officers delay CPEC projects, China livid


Pro-US Pak GHQ Navy officers delay CPEC projects, China livid

Abhinandan Mishra
March 20, 2021,


This has brought to the fore the secretly discussed issue of surrender of Pakistan’s autonomy to China by both the civilian government and GHQ, Rawalpindi.


New Delhi: In what is being seen as a stand taken by the pro-American group in the Pakistan military against the “surrender” of the country’s strategic interest to China, Pakistan Navy and Pakistan Coast Guard have refused to vacate land that has been promised to Chinese companies by Pakistan’s civilian authorities and generals of GHQ, Rawalpindi for CPEC projects.

This has brought to the fore the well-hidden but secretly discussed issue among the members of the Pakistan military over what they call the “surrender” of Pakistan’s autonomy to China by both the civilian government and GHQ, Rawalpindi.

This refusal by the Pakistan Navy and the Coast Guard to vacate land in the Gwadar area and hand it over to Chinese companies that are stationed there for projects under the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), has slowed down the progress of work “considerably”. The chunk of this land that the two wings of the Pakistan military are refusing to vacate is for the construction of Gwadar free zone and Gwadar Eastbay Expressway that are considered to be the most important parts of the entire projects under CPEC.

This stand by the Pakistan Navy, which is led by Chief of Naval Staff, Admiral Muhammad Amjad Khan Niazi, was raised by the Chinese officials with the 12 members of the Cabinet Committee on CPEC that had met last month. These 12-member committee is headed by Pakistan’s Minister of Planning, Development and Reform and includes ministers who head Communication, Foreign Affairs, Interior, Law and Justice, Maritime Affairs, Petroleum, Power, Railways and adviser to the Pakistan Prime Minister on Finance, Commerce and Institutional Reforms.

Informed sources said that the total area of the land is around 116 acres, including 72 acres that are in the possession of the Pakistan Navy, while the rest 44 acres are with the Coast Guard. The refusal to hand over the land has led to a situation of confrontation between the Chinese companies on the one side and the GHQ, Rawalpindi on the other, with the civilian authorities including the empowered committee of CPEC and the concerned ministers facing outbursts from both sides.

In the deliberations, which were the second such deliberations on the same issue that were held within 20 days, the Chinese companies expressed their anger over the delay in handing over the land. They also told the Cabinet Committee that it was “surprising” that the Navy and the Coast Guard, which is headed by Brigadier Saqib Qamar, were ignoring even explicit and repeated orders of the empowered committee and the concerned Minister of Defence and Minister of Interior.


The 44 acres that the Pakistan Coast Guard occupies have been earmarked for developing the strategic Eastbay Expressway project which will connect Gwadar port with the Makran coastal highway.

According to testimonies shared in the deliberation, the Coast Guard received compensation for vacating the land but instead of handing it over to the Chinese officials, it started constructing new buildings without even taking the permission of the Minister of Maritime Affairs.

One of the members of the Cabinet Committee on CPEC, who was present during the deliberations, said that the Coast Guard officials were told by the Prime Minister’s Office as well to vacate the land but even then they refused to do so.

Incidentally, the fencing in and around Gwadar city, which had started being put up in the first week of December last year, as reported by this newspaper in its 19 December edition (Pak turning Gwadar into open prison on China’s order) has been stopped after stiff resistance from the local Baloch population. This too has annoyed the Chinese companies that are demanding that the city should be fenced so that Baloch nationalist fighters do not “disrupt” the CPEC projects.
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Bismilah,
Eye, Rsinghullah Pindiwale em to deliver massage our peeloved brofessor Lal mullah Fram his. Tora bora cave complex 72. Our peeloved Khan has fighting with Corona virus. He in yendo zionist trap and we pray far
Him.
Please take headlines of tu omorro.
Chinese: vaccine taken by khan was nevel ploduced in China. It is not in the papers we provided. It wasaconsiplacy to splead hate fol China.
Pakistan: we have information about how RAW changed the vaccine.
Mullah: we hab to punish yendu. We will nattakehindu vaccine.
Salam
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chetak wrote:Wow, the often ignored paki navy and the paki coast guard seem to be hitting back, both at the paki army and the Cabinet Committee on CPEC

does bajwa have the tomatoes to muscle both, the paki navy, and paki coast guard, out of the disputed zone and still keep everyone concerned reasonably happy.
Looks like the double game has started again. Pakis are Michelangelo of this game.

This is same as:We are aligned with US interest and fighting the terrorists but can't show that openly. Produce Al-Qaeda #3 every now, hide Osama next to Pakistan's military academy and keep milking US for money and weapons.

Replace Al-Qaeda with China. Double game continues. Expect more news of such smaller resistance showing alignment with US (that can't be shown openly unfortunately) popping up every now and then with small blast near CPEC installations as installments become due.
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Abdul Basit, former Pakistani high commissioner to India and one of Pakistan's senior diplomats calls Mamata Banerjee "the tigress of Bengal".

https://www.opindia.com/2021/03/former- ... st-bengal/

I've noticed something in the last couple of years, the Pakis seem to have taken an unhealthy interest in Indian politics, and its not even the general elections but they are keen about state elections too. Abdul Basits comments comes after Imran Khan, Fawad Chaudhry, Shah Qureshi among others who have either commented on India's parliaments passing bills or on state elections.
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Yeah they know state level politics much better than I do; I barely know their army chief's name-I certainly don't know his first moniker.

Hope this doesn't mean they want to come back :mrgreen:
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Hey paklurks, something for you to ponder.

Today's news: Modi expresses concern and wishes Imran Khan swift recovery from COVID-19.

Now, according to unverified popular stories on prophet Mohammad, here's one that you might recognize:

One old woman made a daily habit of throwing rubbish on Prophet Muhammad whenever he passed from her house. Muhammad would pass silently without showing any anger or annoyance. One day the woman was not there to throw the usual rubbish. Mohammad asked the neighbor about her well-being and was told that woman was sick. He then went to visit the sick woman and assured her that he had not come to her to take any revenge, but to see her and to look after her needs. The old woman was greatly moved by this kindness.

Now, let's change the characters and the situation in the above story and call it Dharm.

An old cricketer turned politician (let's call him Im-duh-Dim) made a daily habit of tweeting rubbish and ranting lies about a popular leader by the name of Modi. Modi would silently ignore these verbal assaults without showing any anger or annoyance. One day the dope-addict ImtheDim did not tweet. Modi came to know that Im-duh-Dim was sick with a deadly virus. Modi sincerely wished Im-duh-Dim well and, to prove that this was not about taking any revenge, even allowed the export of millions of vaccine doses to Im-duh-Dim's ingrate nation.

Question for you - Who is the bigger person here?
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https://twitter.com/drapr007/status/137 ... 50020?s=20

Conversation

Dr. APR 

@drapr007

#BigBreaking : Pak Army Chief Bajwa sent a 3 points peace deal with India via a common friend from Gulf- Pak will accept India Administrated J&K as part of India India should accept PoK as Part of Pakistan Pak will handover 9 terrorists to India Deal declined by GOI #Sources

Take what it's worth
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why thru a common frnd in dubai !!!! there is enough backchannel going on...
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PA is not interested in Kashmir issue settlement... the raison d'etre of PA will be over
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/se ... PbI6?pfr=1
Bloomberg
Secret India-Pakistan Peace Roadmap Brokered by Top UAE Royals
Sudhi Ranjan Sen, 22.3.2021

About 24 hours after military chiefs from India and Pakistan surprised the world last month with a rare joint commitment to respect a 2003 cease-fire agreement, the top diplomat of the United Arab Emirates popped over to New Delhi for a quick one-day visit. The official UAE readout of the Feb. 26 meeting gave few clues of what Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed spoke about with Indian counterpart Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, noting they “discussed all regional and international issues of common interest and exchanged views on them.”
Yet behind closed doors, the India-Pakistan cease-fire marked a milestone in secret talks brokered by the UAE that began months earlier, according to officials aware of the situation who asked not to be identified. The cease-fire, one said, is only the beginning of a larger roadmap to forge a lasting peace between the neighbors, both of which have nuclear weapons and spar regularly over a decades-old territory dispute.
The next step in the process, the official said, involves both sides reinstating envoys in New Delhi and Islamabad, who were pulled in 2019 after Pakistan protested India’s move to revoke seven decades of autonomy for the disputed Muslim-majority state of Jammu and Kashmir. Then comes the hard part: Talks on resuming trade and a lasting resolution on Kashmir, the subject of three wars since India and Pakistan became independent from Britain in 1947.
Over the years, India and Pakistan have routinely made peace overtures only to have them quickly fall through, particularly as both sides frequently use the issue to stir up emotions around election time. Officials said expectations were low that the current detente would achieve much beyond the return of envoys and a resumption of trade through their Punjab land border. But this process appears to be the most concerted effort in years, and comes as the Biden administration is seeking wider peace talks on Afghanistan -- a place both countries for years have battled for influence. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi wants to shore up growth and focus military resources on the border with China, while Pakistan’s leaders are also facing economic woes and looking to make a good impression with the U.S. and other powers.
Pakistan’s Foreign Ministry didn’t comment on the talks or the role of the UAE, while the foreign ministries of India and the UAE had no immediate comment. Last week Pakistan army chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa asked India “to bury the past and move forward” while saying the military was ready to enter talks to resolve “all our outstanding issues.” The comments came a day after Prime Minister Imran Khan after called for a resolution on Kashmir, which he described as “the one issue that holds us back.”
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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

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chetak wrote:Wow, the often ignored paki navy and the paki coast guard seem to be hitting back, both at the paki army and the Cabinet Committee on CPEC

does bajwa have the tomatoes to muscle both, the paki navy, and paki coast guard, out of the disputed zone and still keep everyone concerned reasonably happy.

the crore commanders may have to part with a very considerable part of their loot and perhaps, also cut the navy and coast guard in on all future collections.

is it a mutiny in the making, absolutely the very last thing that the hans and bajwa need right now.
Nah, Chetak saar. Nothing a few millions and corner plots can't solve... but this looks more like standard pakiness of trying to extort more from the donors. And knowing how stingy the Han are, they (the hans) might try to just brazen it out or add more charges in some CPEC project for recovery.
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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

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India should make it clear that we believe that Pakistan army is not the sole authority in pakistan anymore and any bi-lateral agreement must be signed/agreed by the Mullahs of JMI, TLP etc too.

PS: Make lal topi's signature mandatory too :D
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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

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Ambar wrote: I've noticed something in the last couple of years, the Pakis seem to have taken an unhealthy interest in Indian politics
Pakis have always been this way. What's interesting is that Americans, Canadians, British are now taking a keen interest in Indian politics.

If India is generating such centripetal forces, it might be time soon to start charging some sort of tax on global income. If so many people outside India have a stake in India, stands to reason there is a missed opportunity to add to the treasury.
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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

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jamwal wrote:What exactly is this access to central Asia and how is it a big deal for us? Serious question.
Jamwal'ji. This is a question with lot of nuances.

Pakistan is the constipation in the constipation suffering west. When Britishers' left United India, they needed a tool (or a fool) to control Central Asia and keep the Russian bear from going south. In effect extension of great game and let's call it great game 1.5 during the cold war and the collapse of the soviet union. Remember the US idea of crimea currently is an extension of the great game.

There is nothing economic here for both western europe and by extension US in supporting Pakistan other than curtailing Russian sphere of influence. That is, the gain is for geo-political influence by locking up Russia. It is already seen with Russia trapped between China (a behemoth) and W. Europe/US. Added bonus of putting a termite on India's growth as a nation and further influence into Indian sub-continent.

Remember as the third reich was falling, one of Hitler's idea was to point out to the europe that they (the germans) have taken care of the jew problem and also attacked soviet union and brought the communists to a standstill and all efforts need to be concentrated on supporting the third reich counter communists. In fact the cold war started even before the war in pacific ended. Creation of pakistan by fUK should also be seen the above light.

Central Asia has both energy reserves and minerals. However the biggest market for both energy and minerals is *not* China but India. Think about it. Samarkand to Lahore is @1650 km by road/train at 80 kmph one can cover that distance in 1 day. And there are direct roads already. Samarkand to Chengdu, there is no direct access. One has to go to Almaty (~1200 km to east) and then cut over to Chengdu over Tibet by travelling another ~1700 km as the crow flies over the tibetan plateau. That is ~3900 km to the nearest major market. In reality, the road will be via muzaffarabad and karakoram highway into sichuan or go all the way to Chengdu via urumqi and the route will be ~4800 km either way.

You see the roof of the world is an inverted bowl and there is no way over it. Only around it. The only major market for the central asia is India. That is central asia needs India more than the other way around.

From the Gelf states perspective, Pakistan is a good plug (read constipation) for the CAR. They gelf does not want another competition to their energy markets into India. Additionally they have a rabid dog that wags its tail for them while barking against their shia enemies. Of course this is the thinking now since the largest consumers to its energy exports are to their east and their ships pass through the Indian ocean.

However the thinking is further changing, pakistan is not a major market for cheen and they are a geopolitical "pakistan". Cheeni tubelights are coming on and realizing that their relation with the rabid dog may end up them losing one of their big growing market called India.

CARs would like the pakistani constipation go away. They can then happily trade down with India. However that will hurt the gelf states. At the same time if the rabid dog acts up too much then India will step in and solve the problem. And then gelf will lose all its leverage. The west could not stop the russians in crimea, leave alone further west in india-pakistan area.

That is why India is in Shanghai co-operative council working with Cheen, working with the CARs and by extension with the Russians and with the West and the Gelf. India has leverage over all of the above by being only passively engaged. For India the major markets are Africa and ASEAN. India has deep friendship with Oman and India is engaging with CSTO and SCC. India saved Tajikistan under project maitri.

For the constipation itself that is pakistan itself, it tries to see what it can do to gain leverage. And hence once in a while the balloon goes up of India-Iran-pipeline or India-CAR pipeline. I always wonder what will gelf states think of Pakistan whenever it floats those balloons.

Paklurks really need to see this.
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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019

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https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/pm-nare ... _topscroll
India desires Cordial Relations with DimDamrooKatoraKhaan???? what the hell is going on behind the curtain???
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