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Postby Philip » 28 Feb 2020 14:09

If such communal violence continues without being stamped out whoever is responsible the moment it breaks out,we are heading for it spreading across the country.Political battle lines and stances are hardening.there is little call or move for compromise.
and as RS has said in his piece.the riots were waiting to happen.
The country cannot be plunged into civil strife . It will send the economy reeling,already in dires straits without the global crisis due to the China virus. Our political leadership collectively should eschew attempts to fomengt violence,curb or expel hotheads in their respective parties and sit down and defuse tensions brought about by contentious issues.Otherwise India's leaders of today risk repeating the mistakes of those of the past, which led to invasion, humiliation. colonisation and partition. 70+ years on the great struggle and sacrifices from our freedom fighters ,after 500 years of European colonisation of Asia ,cannot be endangered by our own stupidity of those who lead today. Ordinary people should pressurise those in power to defuse tensions,crack down hard on violence and initiate talks with all stakeholders to bring about peace.
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Postby CRamS » 28 Feb 2020 14:10

Continuing on with my previous post, one more thing on western media. Do you recall that press conference Trump bahadur? There was one CNN dorkie who was obsessed with US domestic issues. I mean how disrespectful is that to India? And do you even think Americans consider that as disrespectful? It shows the level of interest CNN puts on Trump's visit to India. There was practically ZERO coverage of Trump's visit to India on US media. Earlier this week, I happened to watch TV news at a hotel lobby waiting for Uber, and I curiously watched when they showed Trump in India. They mentioned he was in India, but all that they showed was what Trump said about some decision on Coronioa virus :-).

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Postby chetak » 28 Feb 2020 14:11

A twitter conversation :mrgreen:


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Postby pankajs » 28 Feb 2020 14:25

CRamS wrote:Continuing on with my previous post, one more thing on western media. Do you recall that press conference Trump bahadur? There was one CNN dorkie who was obsessed with US domestic issues. I mean how disrespectful is that to India? And do you even think Americans consider that as disrespectful? It shows the level of interest CNN puts on Trump's visit to India. There was practically ZERO coverage of Trump's visit to India on US media. Earlier this week, I happened to watch TV news at a hotel lobby waiting for Uber, and I curiously watched when they showed Trump in India. They mentioned he was in India, but all that they showed was what Trump said about some decision on Coronioa virus :-).

America is an Island, it masses cut off from the rest of the world and it shows up in their coverage. No major trade deal, nothing special about the trip, no coverage.

Then come the US media's "maniacal focus" on pulling Trump down. That has its own consequences with the Indian spectacle put up by GOI for the Trump not fitting the frame/narrative.

Finally they have the spectacle of the coming Presidential election and the political fight around it too keep them focused domestically.

That more or less accounts for the way Trump's visit was covered by the American MSM. Not surprising.

Fox did put put a 3-4 videos on Youtube that featured Trump's India visit. Easily searched on YT as "Trump India Fox"
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Postby CRamS » 28 Feb 2020 14:30

Pankajs, my larger point was that the reason for standard, colonial, negative coverage of India stems from their general lack of interest in India. Not as dorkie was claiming to increase sales of their rags.

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Postby pankajs » 28 Feb 2020 14:32

CRamS wrote:Pankajs, my larger point was that the reason for standard, colonial, negative coverage of India stems from their general lack of interest in India. Not as dorkie was claiming to increase sales of their rags.

That is true too.

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Postby nandakumar » 28 Feb 2020 14:34

pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/sushantsareen/status/1233045550708117504
sushant sareen @sushantsareen

So a couple of hundred strong mob storms into AAP leader Tahir Husain’s house but doesn’t touch him despite the fact that the atmosphere is so charged and mobs are killing people???
https://twitter.com/mickysood/status/12 ... 6229286912
Kudrati चित्रकार @mickysood

Plus every single building bwlonging to hindus in that area is burnt to ashes while his house is scratchless.... Kamaal rioters the jo apni community walo ke ghat fook gye.

This is for folks who are saying that Tahir Hussain was being attacked. Kamal ka logic hai.

Just like how 'Khudrati Khana' happens at Shaheen Bagh, rituous mob simply is stalled by a 'Khudrati Wall' around Taher Hussain.

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Postby Sachin » 28 Feb 2020 14:44

Philip wrote:If such communal violence continues without being stamped out whoever is responsible the moment it breaks out,we are heading for it spreading across the country.

As reported by MHA today the riots are in 4% of Delhi UT. The main stream media is trying to paint that 40% of India is burning using the situation in 4% area at New Delhi. The situation in New Delhi has to be brought under control, but we are NOT yet in a situation where tension is escalating. In New Delhi area during this riot 39 people have lost their lives. Every life is important, but to get a different perspective 19 people lost their lives in a road traffic accident last week in Avanashi, Tamil Nadu alone.

There are three other metros in India - Kolkotha, Mumbai and Chennai. There are no riots there and even protests against CAA is muted, and done by Muslim organisations and few urban naxals. Other wise life is 100% normal here as well. Mumbai is the business capital of India, things are running smoothly for quite some time there. Bengaluru is the IT capital of India, life has been very normal there even when CAB became the CAA. There were some protests in Town hall area, and now they are not getting enough people to be taken there. So the current protest is at one park in a Muslim Ghetto.

The only other state which saw some rioting was UP, but there again the police showed the rioters who is the boss. Maharashtra is peaceful, Bihar is peaceful, Chattisgarh is peaceful. So is AP, Telengana, Karnataka, Haryana, Punjab etc. If the anti-CAA riot mongers have not been able to incite riots here, even after 2 months of this law being promulgated then when are they going to do it?

Long term emergency situation is harmful, I agree. But we are not yet in that stage. The rioters & their back stage actors know that large scale rioting may cause long term injuries to themselves and their causes.

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Postby Larry Walker » 28 Feb 2020 14:47

darshhan wrote:
Larry Walker wrote:This is going to be Godhra II. If the news of the brutalities with images and relevant details gets shared via social media or even pamphlets etc, it is going to make a big impact on the Hindu community including the fence sitters. It was the spreading of the news of the Godhra carnage which made the docile business minded Gujarathi to call for arms.

Looking at recent events in Delhi I am getting concerned about my kids future in this country. Muslims can lay siege for months and then when majority finally looses patience, Islamists come out and butcher Hindus ... All under the noses of the so called Hindu Nationalist government of BJP. The visuals of Islamists organizing to kill and destroy Hindus is really frightening and depressing. Shame on Modi and Amit Shah, shame on RSS. If this can happen to Hindus in India, what future does a hindu have ??


If you get scared so easy, then I guess the going will get even tougher for you. For worse is yet to come. Plus what exactly you consider "safe" is a big mystery to me. From Paris to San Bernardino and from orlando, Florida to london bridge, is there a corner on this planet which is still untouched by Islamics. Maybe Chile or antarctica.

Just go through our history and see what are ancestors must have gone through during times of mughaliyas. They struggled and came out of top in their own way.

Become a warrior. If someone is asking for a fight give it to him. And teach your kids also to fight, so that you do not have to bother with their future. Shape them in warrior mould. Being a warrior is much higher calling in life than being a CEO or a businessman.


My concern is because even if you take both populations as 50-50%, the reports coming out are suggesting much more damage done to Hindu lives and property. This is despite the fact that Islamists had gone totally hostile of the government and authorities and they basically initiated this confrontation. So in nutshell they dominated maybe somewhat overwhelmingly.

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Postby pankajs » 28 Feb 2020 14:51

This happened too ... Wish it was the case in all places and we wouldn't have seen the kind of scenes that we are seeing on videos and pics

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1233081173095530497
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Delhi: Locals in Chand Bagh area of #NortheastDelhi say that they formed a human chain to protect Sri Durga Fakiri Mandir in the area when violence broke out. Om Prakash, temple's priest says "Locals - both Hindus & Muslims were alert. They saw to it that no outsider comes here."
ANI @ANI

Asif, local: We formed a human chain&didn't let the rioters step forward. Many of us suffered injuries after rioters pelted stones. But we didn't let them step forward because this isn't just a temple, it's a symbol of our prestige. Hindus & Muslims protected this temple together

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Postby Hari Seldon » 28 Feb 2020 15:01

https://twitter.com/swati_gs/status/123 ... 33345?s=20

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Do you notice how victims are blaming “outsiders” for violence in their areas?
I wrote this report last year on increasing communal friction in a pocket of Delhi. Locals complained that a flood of immigration has brought about rapid demographic change and a spurt in crimes


Do you know that Ankit Saxena, Pankaj Narang, Khyala family, Dhruv Tyagi murders all happend within 6-7 km?

I visited several of these sites in Delhi and found a perception of fear & panic among locals, that stems from what they see as a pattern

Report:
https://swarajyamag.com/politics/fear-o ... -new-delhi

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Postby Sachin » 28 Feb 2020 15:11

Larry Walker wrote:This is despite the fact that Islamists had gone totally hostile of the government and authorities and they basically initiated this confrontation. So in nutshell they dominated maybe somewhat overwhelmingly.

With reference to your earlier posts. If you sense that being a Hindu is now detrimental for your's and your children's welfare lot of options like conversion and moving to a different country exist 8). And if you feel that a different party forming the central government (than the BJP) then you will have to wait for next four years and then vote for a different party. Now that being said; the areas in which Muslims dominated were areas where they were in higher numbers even before the CAB became the CAA. They have not been able to pull the same tactic in any other part of even New Delhi UT (leave alone rest of India).

pankajs wrote:This happened too ... Wish it was the case in all places and we wouldn't have seen the kind of scenes that we are seeing on videos and pics

This may have happened in reality, and it is good to hear. But why did the main stream media report it NOW? This very main stream media had used images of Muslim rioters and said that this was a group of Hindu rioters. The reason is fair and simple. The violent Islamic mobs and their back stage actors like commies & naxals now want the majority community to drink cool aid and forget the earlier happenings. Through social media the actual truth is now leaking out, and that is only detrimental to the cause of Islamists and the Commie-Urban Naxal gang. They really do not want a full blown confrontation with the majority Hindu community in a large scale fashion across India. The main stream media's serious reports were all about Hindus and Hindu leaders inciting violence. They have not taken back those reports. And now they they add this Hindu Muslim Bhai Bhai sob story. But it is the original fabricated reports which may remain in people's mind for more time.

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Postby Larry Walker » 28 Feb 2020 15:48

So what we are heading towards is a scenario where we got to keep the barbarians inside the gates of their ghettos ?? Because coexisting with them would require that we teach violence to our kids and be ready to raise arms any time ?? How can we live in a civilised society where not each one of us needs to be armed and reply with violence ??

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Postby durairaaj » 28 Feb 2020 16:03

Blood stain is on the hands of Supreme Court of India. They are the single point of failure of the evolution of Indian democracy.

In their eagerness to protect the right to protest, they trampled on the rights of tens of thousands of people to travel, transport and commute everyday, for the last two months.

Justice should be blind. But our judges always tend to side with the party that cliams to be weaker. They are always biased.

Delayed justice is an injustice in itself.

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Postby kit » 28 Feb 2020 16:27

I have a feeling that the primary motivators behind the clashes are not religion based rather anti national element s funded by certain foreign NGOs ( not the types inv in charity works ), misinformation and money seems to have a huge effect, also prodding the fence sitters by pseudo religious killings by trained killers or motivators ( read criminals killing for money, a favourite tactic by politicians to put blame on a certain community) and this could spur in the hat wearers to violence.

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Postby kit » 28 Feb 2020 16:28

Where is the money coming from ?

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Postby chetak » 28 Feb 2020 16:31

the jehadi violence was preplanned, premeditated and calculated.

some of them are even mobile launchers mounted on autorickshaws

And media pimps want us to believe that this was a spontaneous reaction to Kapil Mishra's speech. Kitna time tha Bhai spontaneity main itne innovations karne ka!!


The Petrol Bomb launchers were used to throw Petrol Bombs in Delhi to target locals in #delhivoilence . Horrible


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Postby Sachin » 28 Feb 2020 16:33

kit wrote:Where is the money coming from ?

Popular Front of India mobilised Rs 120 crore to fund anti-CAA protests, claims ED. This was a news report a couple of weeks back. Now PFI is not a charity establishment only eager to pump in money to paid protestors. Their agenda has been disruption of this country, mainly due to their adherence to fanatic Islam. The same organisation had chopped the hands of a college teacher in Kerala for 'blashphemy'. This time their funding strategy seems to have been 'crowd funding' (i.e nominal donations coming from a large number of the faithful, which makes individual transaction tracking difficult). What 'crowd funding' theory proves that there are lots of members from the religion who may not be violent in person but are willing to support 'an army of the faithful' who would do the violence.

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Postby chetak » 28 Feb 2020 16:44

Neeta Sharma @NEETAS11
Autopsy of IB officer AnkitSharma states he was stabbed more than 400 times. He had stab wounds all over body - #DelhiPolice
10:09 PM · Feb 27, 2020·Twitter for iPhone



Neeta Sharmab@NEETAS11 · 18h
IB officer Ankit Sharma intestines were ripped apart by his murderers - forensic doctors #DelhiPolice

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Postby chetak » 28 Feb 2020 16:46

twitter


Check the newsmakers, influencers, the mobilisers - they all have very similar profiles, they're tightly networked, they've been building clout & following through creative outlets

Traditional news media is over. These guys are doing in 2020 what Sardesai was doing in 02
11:49 PM · Feb 24, 2020·Twitter for Android
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Postby ranjan.rao » 28 Feb 2020 16:48

^^Violence against cops isnt taken lightly in mumbai police..not sure how is it in Delhi..can any localite or familiar with workings of DP shed some light..

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Postby chetak » 28 Feb 2020 17:01

Hind....Hindustan...Bharat...
And look at the way this Liberal Secular fraternity cries about our Constitution being in danger...it’s always favoured the rest & not Hindus. Article 370, 35A, 30A, 31....
Do you know with 39A Hindus can’t have their Schools & Colleges where they can teach their religious scriptures & texts whereas Muslims & Christians are allowed to do so. The money from temples go to the govt, Muslims & Christians are free to use it as they want...construct Schools, Churches, Madarsa’s & Masjid’s to preach, educate their religion....





https://twitter.com/RD_BANA/status/1232878165686673409

https://twitter.com/RD_BANA/status/1232878233827364864

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Postby chetak » 28 Feb 2020 17:02

They lie
They loot
They cheat
They murder
They fake
They rape
And blame us for it
Wanna know why
Cause we are "KAFFIRS"



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Postby chetak » 28 Feb 2020 17:08

Delhi riots are planned
They install gullel like stucture on their roofs to throw stone, petrol bomb and acid

Please check this in your locality if such things found report to police
#DelhiRiotTruth



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Postby chetak » 28 Feb 2020 17:11

Bhartiye Nagrik @videsichora
A woman's dead body found in the same drain where IB officer Ankit Sharma's body was found...also there are burnt clothes and undergarments of women in Tahir Hussain's building...you can imagine the monstrosity that must have happened with that woman. #DelhiRiotTruth



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Postby Primus » 28 Feb 2020 17:53

An article by a good friend of mine about CAA, worth forwarding to Western audiences.

How anti-CAA protests distort the truth

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Postby Bart S » 28 Feb 2020 18:35

kit wrote:I have a feeling that the primary motivators behind the clashes are not religion based rather anti national element s funded by certain foreign NGOs ( not the types inv in charity works ), misinformation and money seems to have a huge effect, also prodding the fence sitters by pseudo religious killings by trained killers or motivators ( read criminals killing for money, a favourite tactic by politicians to put blame on a certain community) and this could spur in the hat wearers to violence.


Spot on. Most people are focusing on the pawns and puppets rather than the puppeteers.

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Postby pankajs » 28 Feb 2020 19:00

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1233209579183300608
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Maharashtra: Poster of Maharashtra Navnirman Sena (MNS) stating to reward with Rs 5,000 the informers who give accurate information about illegal Pakistani and Bangladeshi infiltrators, put up in Aurangabad. (27.02)
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Postby Vikas » 28 Feb 2020 19:31

How much would have the unchecked influx of Bangaldeshi Muslims exacerbated the riots in Delhi.
BD Muslims are ubiquitous in Delhi and have been pretty aggressive around their ghettos.
Are they the Outsiders everyone keeps alluding to ?

Someone asked about cops not forgiving cops killer but I think those are the stories of the past and mostly relate to small time goons. MLA's and MP's have been killing policemen with immunity since the rise of Political Goons in mid 90's.

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Postby pankajs » 28 Feb 2020 19:36

https://twitter.com/mahesh10816/status/ ... 0449777664
Madhav @mahesh10816

We are facing opposition from unexpected quarters for Ayushman Bharat scheme

Missionaries: this is hitting at their bottom line

Something I had pointed a while back.
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pankajs wrote:There are 2 "core" areas that allowed the conversion mafia huge firepower and they are education and healthcare. 3rd Rate state education and medical facilities and the conversion mafia rode in to take advantages using those two massive state failures.

Aaysuhman Bharat scheme will help plug the medical cost related conversion racket and hopefully the education driven racket will be plugged soon. Of course with the state missing for 70+ years will mean that the change it self will take a decade or so to show results on the ground.

Aaysuhman Bharat remains a game changer in many respects if implemented in true spirit and efficiently.

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Postby ritesh » 28 Feb 2020 19:58

Primus wrote:An article by a good friend of mine about CAA, worth forwarding to Western audiences.

How anti-CAA protests distort the truth

Salute to your friend. What a wonderful & lucid explaination has been given by him

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Postby ritesh » 28 Feb 2020 20:03

pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1233209579183300608
ANI @ANI

Maharashtra: Poster of Maharashtra Navnirman Sena (MNS) stating to reward with Rs 5,000 the informers who give accurate information about illegal Pakistani and Bangladeshi infiltrators, put up in Aurangabad. (27.02)
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Just for reference purpose, Aurangabad is epic center of aimim of owaisi in maharashtra with certain other pockets spread across the state like byculla mumbra and malegaon.

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Postby Rishi_Tri » 28 Feb 2020 20:21

CRamS wrote:Continuing on with my previous post, one more thing on western media. Do you recall that press conference Trump bahadur? There was one CNN dorkie who was obsessed with US domestic issues. I mean how disrespectful is that to India? And do you even think Americans consider that as disrespectful? It shows the level of interest CNN puts on Trump's visit to India. There was practically ZERO coverage of Trump's visit to India on US media. Earlier this week, I happened to watch TV news at a hotel lobby waiting for Uber, and I curiously watched when they showed Trump in India. They mentioned he was in India, but all that they showed was what Trump said about some decision on Coronioa virus :-).


There was rich coverage in WSJ print edition. Front page pics for three days and big article on last day and not unflattering. I shall snap pics and post.

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Postby Deans » 28 Feb 2020 20:39

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/maharashtra-to-provide-5-quota-for-muslims-in-educational-institutions-nawab-malik/story-gNHitBNT6kLQ60VQlbvdPI.html

This could be the end of the SS in terms of its ideology. Hope it results in strengthening of the MNS under Raj and a sensible alignment with the BJP.

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Postby ranjan.rao » 28 Feb 2020 20:40

Vikas wrote:How much would have the unchecked influx of Bangaldeshi Muslims exacerbated the riots in Delhi.
BD Muslims are ubiquitous in Delhi and have been pretty aggressive around their ghettos.
Are they the Outsiders everyone keeps alluding to ?

Someone asked about cops not forgiving cops killer but I think those are the stories of the past and mostly relate to small time goons. MLA's and MP's have been killing policemen with immunity since the rise of Political Goons in mid 90's.


Often yes, not that the local lot is any better, but these guys used to have some political protection/connect as they were loyal votebanks. someone had posted about an incident in delhi when they burnt a police station in seelampur when DP started rounding up some guys for deportation during vajapayee regime

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Postby pankajs » 28 Feb 2020 20:48

From Dec 15, 2019

https://twitter.com/AartiTikoo/status/1 ... 0964460544
Aarti Tikoo Singh @AartiTikoo

Early this year, a source told me there will be riots in India by 2020. He had inputs from several parts of the country. Last week, another source in Kashmir said a Bandipora man told him exactly the same thing in 2011 saying that ISI plans are decade long!! From Delhi to Assam.
Online private messaging groups like Whatsapp are being used in Delhi to mobilize youth to come to streets, to pelt stones & fight the state, exactly on the pattern of Kashmir. Instagram handles on Kashmir are fueling the fire on #CAA, when there is no connection whatsoever. Why?
Naive secular students joining these orchestrated protests in Delhi & other parts of India, have no idea about ‘aazaadi’ the slogan which they borrowed from Kashmir. If only they cared to know how bigoted, violent & fascistic it has been towards both Muslim & Hindu dissenters!


https://twitter.com/TimesNow/status/1233237176139182080
TIMES NOW @TimesNow

#Breaking | Suspended AAP Councillor @tahirhussainaap goes missing, a day after an FIR was filed against him.

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Postby pankajs » 28 Feb 2020 20:53

https://twitter.com/AskAnshul/status/12 ... 3882795009
Anshul Saxena @AskAnshul

Till now, religious sites vandalized/attacked in:

1. Anti CAA protests:

- Hindu temple in Patna.

- 3 Hindu temples in Aligarh.

2. Delhi Violence:

- Mazar torched.

- Mosque in Ashok Nagar.

- At-least, 2 Hindu Temples including one Shiv Temple in Chandbagh.
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Postby Sachin » 28 Feb 2020 20:53

^^^ The above tweet actually exposes an Achiless heel of the Pro India Forces. The Jehadis are using the same social media channels by which the Pro India Forces also generally share information (because Main Stream Media cannot be trusted). The blockade of such social media channels worked in a tiny place like Kashmir. It cannot be done in a pan-India fashion. 'Signals & Electronic Intelligence' capabilities now need to be made available to district/city level police.


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