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pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/sidhant/status/1234740330177626112
Sidhant Sibal @sidhant

Just in: UN High Commissioner for Human Rights has filed an Intervention Application in the Indian Supreme on Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA).
1. SC should outright reject the application.

2. The Idea behind the stunt may be just to show the SC of India and CJI how much concern CAA has produced outside India and hope to make them strike CAA down.

This is psychological warfare on the SC/CJI given that the Indian opponents do not seem to be making an impression on the SC. Let's see.
Why no petition in the US on Lautenberg Amendment?

They are simply RACISTS! White man's law=OK, brown man's law................
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Vikas wrote:
I think there is limit to what Modi Ji can do.
He can't alone be fighting all the battles at all the times. I do believe that he cares about the opinion of those who matter and rightly so. BIF should know that once Modi Ji leaves the PM house, The next BJP incumbent may not have his patience and sagacity.
True. There is lack of leaders or influences other than the political class. It's these non-political class of people who sets the narrative. The other side has many vocal non-political leaders, whereas our people simply aren't brave enough to debate, and do not want any confrontation.
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Both Iranians and Turks are wading into Indian internal affairs on CAA and Kashmir while Arabs have been generally supportive. MEA also needs to give its advise on how Iran and Turkey should manage their internal affairs and not support terrorism. Iranians shot and killed more than 300 of their own people in December when they protested against Mullah regime and supports terrorism against Israel while Turkey intimidated and banned opposition, journalists and supporting terrorists in Syria.
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pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/sidhant/status/1234740330177626112
Sidhant Sibal @sidhant

Just in: UN High Commissioner for Human Rights has filed an Intervention Application in the Indian Supreme on Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA).
1. SC should outright reject the application.

2. The Idea behind the stunt may be just to show the SC of India and CJI how much concern CAA has produced outside India and hope to make them strike CAA down.

This is psychological warfare on the SC/CJI given that the Indian opponents do not seem to be making an impression on the SC. Let's see.
From what I understand they have filled a petition as amicus cureau , a friend of the Court. Very clever.
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Apparently there are no laws against having private armed security guards in India?
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CRamS( and others!) CBC radio in Canada has gone very left, with its coverage of the Delhi riots. That lady that both you and I like for her great balance, is absent, and the issue is being handled by blatantly slanted, one sided hosts. A Carleton U prof by the name of Varughese was interviewed, and it was a totally predictable attack on the BJP and Hindutva, devoid of subtlety or balance. Scripted, single tracked.
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https://twitter.com/ndtv/status/1234855798368538630
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No Muslim quota proposal before Maharashtra government: Uddhav Thackeray
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Seems like the past is repeating itself. The Modi led Gujarat government was fighting a lonely battle, while the entire Indian elites had gang up completely. Now, it's the India government in this lonely fight so far, and there are new foreign opponents in the picture. It took a decade long to win that battle, and so let's see how long it takes to defeat this narrative...
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Maybe someone on Twitter can respond to Cortez with this link and ask her if she supports it? From Hebrew immigration assoc. praising Lautenberg amendment and specifically stating that it is region and religion specific. Does not support Muslims for example.

Lautenberg Amendment
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@AgentSaffron
Compare Global reactions to India-Delhi riots and China-Xinjiang state policy.

Tells you a whole story about the mismatch between 2 aspiring Asian Superpowers..
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shravanp wrote:
@AgentSaffron
Compare Global reactions to India-Delhi riots and China-Xinjiang state policy.

Tells you a whole story about the mismatch between 2 aspiring Asian Superpowers..
See through the eyes of a left liberal. The last six months

370 abrogated - couple of million lose their 'status'
Ayodhya Verdict Says Mosque to be built at another site - the temple to be built where the mosque stood
CAA - Muslim refugees 'not welcome' in India
NRC - Implementation and deportation only a question of Time
POTUS Visits India - Takes India's lead on Islamic Terrorism and does not utter a word about Delhi
Myanmar President on 4 day state visit to India - Myanmar, that displaced million Rohingya, is given state welcome and takes India's lead on Terrorism..
Delhi Violence - ...

If one is left liberal, the person shall be at wits end. A few Thurki supporters in EU or NaPaki supporters in Bartannia or Bernie's crazies don't form a global reaction.
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Rishi_Tri wrote:A few Thurki supporters in EU or NaPaki supporters in Bartannia or Bernie's crazies don't form a global reaction.
I was going to say - there's no "global" reaction. Those silly nations protesting "riots against Muslims" in India are unable to do the same against China, because they are already China's client states. Nothing else.

That loony Jayapal will probably be given the cold shoulder by her own govt., if not, India has to step up on the Lautenberg amendment and embarrass her.
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https://twitter.com/UnSubtleDesi/status ... 19169?s=20
Wikipedia owner is in touch with unsubtle desi and has provided her the email ID. Looks like free run of vandal DBigXRay who was not letting accurate details of Delhi riots getting documented on Wiki is over. He has edited over 300 pages on Wiki, including that of Saurav Kalia whom he changed from martyred to Killed. Great work by tenacious lady.
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She surely getting ready to declare merger with Bangladesh.

Which article of the Constitution gives here this power?
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Yayavar wrote:Maybe someone on Twitter can respond to Cortez with this link and ask her if she supports it? From Hebrew immigration assoc. praising Lautenberg amendment and specifically stating that it is region and religion specific. Does not support Muslims for example.

Lautenberg Amendment
Can you or any stalwart actually dig up the "offensive" part of this amendment that clearly shows where minorities of certain communities are not given benefit. Many thanks.
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UN body goes to Supreme Court on CAA

It appears she doesn't want the law struck down and calls it "commendable". She instead wants "Ahmadi, Hazara and Shia Muslims" to also benefit via article 14 of the constitution. Doesn't mention Rohingya but one wonders since she seeks to have the SC uphold the "fundamental principle of non-refoulement" which is an article of the 1951 refugee convention, which India is NOT a state party to.
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Cain Marko wrote:Can you or any stalwart actually dig up the "offensive" part of this amendment that clearly shows where minorities of certain communities are not given benefit. Many thanks.

Title 8 USC §1157
Pub. L. 101–167, title V, §599D, Nov. 21, 1989, 103 Stat. 1261
"(1) For purposes of subsection (a), the Attorney General, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Coordinator for Refugee Affairs, shall establish-

"(A) one or more categories of aliens who are or were nationals and residents of an independent state of the former Soviet Union or of Estonia, Latvia, or Lithuania and who share common characteristics that identify them as targets of persecution in that state on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion,[;]
"(B) one or more categories of aliens who are or were nationals and residents of Vietnam, Laos, or Cambodia and who share common characteristics that identify them as targets of persecution in such respective foreign state on such an account; and
"(C) one or more categories of aliens who are or were nationals and residents of the Islamic Republic or Iran who, as members of a religious minority in Iran, share common characteristics that identify them as targets of persecution in that state on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.
"(2)(A) Aliens who are (or were) nationals and residents of an independent state of the former Soviet Union or of Estonia, Latvia, or Lithuania and who are Jews or Evangelical Christians shall be deemed a category of alien established under paragraph (1)(A).

"(B) Aliens who are (or were) nationals of an independent state of the former Soviet Union or of Estonia, Latvia, or Lithuania and who are current members of, and demonstrate public, active, and continuous participation (or attempted participation) in the religious activities of, the Ukrainian Catholic Church or the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, shall be deemed a category of alien established under paragraph (1)(A).

"(C) Aliens who are (or were) nationals and residents of Vietnam, Laos, or Cambodia and who are members of categories of individuals determined, by the Attorney General in accordance with 'Immigration and Naturalization Service Worldwide Guidelines for Overseas Refugee Processing' (issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Service in August 1983) shall be deemed a category of alien established under paragraph (1)(B).
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req ... ion=prelim
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One difference with the CAA is that the US law allows the US Attorney General to add his favorite persecuted minority to the list. It explicitly favors Jews and Evangelical Christians but leaves the door open for others (from the specific countries listed) to be added by the AG.
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^Very interesting sir, and I think that the drafters of the CAA missed the little bus in not allowing for "other minorities". In reality everybody knows and the fact remains that persecuted minorities from TSP, BD,and Afg will almost always be non-muslim. So it might have benefitted in not naming those religious groups and thereby preventing the mass hysteria that has followed.

Nevertheless, the emphasis on NMs in the Lautenberg amendment is clear enough for desis to rebutt the stupidity that they have to deal with from others, esp. desis.

Another counterpoint about the Delhi riots is the fact that if these were the handiwork of the Hingoi (Hindu Nationalist GOI), then why would they push such "pogroms" right during the visit of the POTUS?

We need to have a clear list of simple and effective counters to the fake narratives being bandied about
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I have wondered about the explicit language excluded One Commyoonity terrorists as refugees. Perhaps it was chankian to flush out the terrorists in one big ro-dho-tantrum event. Tragic that several Hindus and police people also got killed and so many lost property.

This is a super opportunity to root out and pulverize all those who opened their holes or came out and rioted. And yes, by all means one should track, list and never allow anyone to forget who they are.
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eklavya wrote:And speaking of cops, this one isn’t mincing words either:

https://thewire.in/government/delhi-rio ... oliticised
... And that may be difficult in Delhi today, where the leaders of the party in power at the Centre are the primary candidates for incarceration.
wow eklavya ji, you agree with this sentence? This is bleddy :shock: :shock: :shock:
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KL Dubey wrote:Regarding the recent developments:
...
Ignore the noise, focus on the signals.
KLD ji all good points. Butcan they pull it off in the next three years? If not, there may not be another term for BJP if one goes by the recent state results - Maha, Delhi come to mind.
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IndraD wrote:https://twitter.com/UnSubtleDesi/status ... 19169?s=20
Wikipedia owner is in touch with unsubtle desi and has provided her the email ID. Looks like free run of vandal DBigXRay who was not letting accurate details of Delhi riots getting documented on Wiki is over. He has edited over 300 pages on Wiki, including that of Saurav Kalia whom he changed from martyred to Killed. Great work by tenacious lady.

I have written a long email to Katherine Maher, said to be the person in charge of Wiki. She has a Jewish last name and one of the analogies I gave her was to imagine if the Wiki page on the Holocaust was altered maliciously to say it never happened and that all bodies shown on television were German Gentiles and it was the Jews who were secretly running the camp. I also wrote about how Hindu homes and shops were pre-identified and then targeted during the riots, reminiscent of Kristallnacht.

It is only when people get an inkling of how the same horrors can affect their life will they understand the anguish of us Hindus.
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Can we coin a term like "Aunty Pramila syndrome" or "Aunty Jayapal syndrome" and freely use that instead of the cliched "Uncle Tom?" It would be great if it went mainstream.

The syndrome refers to those (especially in the context of desis) who try to make and advance their careers in western lands by dissing their lands of origin (again specific to India for now). There are several candidates right now who can be tagged with this term, but Ms. Jayapal will be the figurehead.
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chetak wrote:
UNHRC chief files intervention application on CAA in Supreme Court; MEA says ‘no foreign party has locus standi’ on contentious law
Yeh, that is fine. But who inserted the word contentious? DDM I suppose.
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sudarshan wrote:Can we coin a term like "Aunty Pramila syndrome" or "Aunty Jayapal syndrome" and freely use that instead of the cliched "Uncle Tom?" It would be great if it went mainstream.

The syndrome refers to those (especially in the context of desis) who try to make and advance their careers in western lands by dissing their lands of origin (again specific to India for now). There are several candidates right now who can be tagged with this term, but Ms. Jayapal will be the figurehead.
Jayapal-Sawant Syndrome?
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greatde wrote:Seems like the past is repeating itself. The Modi led Gujarat government was fighting a lonely battle, while the entire Indian elites had gang up completely. Now, it's the India government in this lonely fight so far, and there are new foreign opponents in the picture. It took a decade long to win that battle, and so let's see how long it takes to defeat this narrative...
"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger" - Nitsche (?)
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Vayutuvan wrote: Jayapal-Sawant Syndrome?
Who is Sawant (sorry for ignorance)? But sure, only criterion is that the term must be catchy enough, or repeated often enough by a sufficient number of people, so it becomes general parlance. Like Quisling, Hitler, Jaichand, Ambi, Mir Jafar.

Immortalize the creeps :mrgreen: .
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Varoon Shekhar wrote:CRamS( and others!) CBC radio in Canada has gone very left, with its coverage of the Delhi riots. That lady that both you and I like for her great balance, is absent, and the issue is being handled by blatantly slanted, one sided hosts. A Carleton U prof by the name of Varughese was interviewed, and it was a totally predictable attack on the BJP and Hindutva, devoid of subtlety or balance. Scripted, single tracked.
Varoon, on the white 'Global' narrative, we have been pummeled, lock, stock, and barrel post CAA reaching a crescendo post Delhi riots. Just like how Kohli & Co were battered in the recently concluded 1-day and test series in NZ. Thats water under the rug. I've stopped reading any global shit.

Let me give you another example. I was talking to a Brit colleague where he and I are on business in India. He is definitely knowledgeable on subcontinent affairs, fairly well read. Over the dinner table, other gora American colleagues asked about Delhi riots. To which this f!ker without batting an eyelid repeated the clinching narrative: "India govt passed a refugee citizenship law that favors everyone except Muslims".

You listen to BBC, CNN international, NYT, WP, Economist, Aljazeera etc; and this bold-faced lie cast in stone.

I intervened and explained to the American goras that what the Brit said was putting the worst spin on a compassionate legislation giving refuge to persecuted minorities fleeing neighboring Islamic countries. . I cited the Lautenberg amendment, and in general how US cares for persecuted Christians and Jews. And I asked the rhetorical question on whether this means US discriminates against other religions?

So as the IQ level of the conversation started rising, the American goras tuned off and were discussing where to go over the weekend and food at the hotel. The Brit smirked at my response and said nobody in the 'world' believes that Indian govt cares for persecuted minorities, Indian govt only did it because they hate Muslims. I said rubbish and left it there because I was arguing with an ossified rock.

So anyway, question is where do we go from here? Like Kohli and Co need to introspect after the NZ debacle, ModiJi should know that 1-liners on Twitter won't cut it. The BIF ecosystem is relentlessly going after him. Current round goes to BIF and Hindu haters.

ModiJi still has 4 years. I already sense BIF led by that dunce of a dog Pappu are already piling on ModiJi for the corona virus response. Delhi riots will be out of the headlines pretty soon and corona virus might take center stage. Given that Corona virus scare will get a lot of attention among goras, hope ModiJi and BJP govt do not loose the narrative on this.

One does not have to be a colonized SDRE to say this, but sadly, as I mention in another post yesterday, India is still not powerful enough to set the narrative on its terms, but at least ModiJi & Co can ensure that there is a sense of balance.
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CRamS wrote: So as the IQ level of the conversation started rising, the American goras tuned off and were discussing where to go over the weekend and food at the hotel. The Brit smirked at my response and said nobody in the 'world' believes that Indian govt cares for persecuted minorities, Indian govt only did it because they hate Muslims. I said rubbish and left it there because I was arguing with an ossified rock.
That sounds about right :roll: typical American response when they can't handle an intellectual conversation. Their media plays on this, dumbing everything down to two-minute sound-bites. The upside of course is that they don't really care about the issue, they're just passively consuming the sound-bites. But when it comes to the point where their media spin is used by NGOs and other unsavories to milk them for money, that's when it really hurts Indian interests. These morons are happy to throw money at the NGOs and get the warm glow of "doing something about dem problem Injuns," after which they happily go back to their world of weekend pastimes and vacations. Or their voting patterns (the few who bother to vote) are influenced by the sound-bites. There's the real rub, that their missionaries and NGOs have been exploiting for centuries.

Playing the victim card does get their attention. The peacefuls have been successfully doing this. Maybe start off some "Hindu-pride rallies," that should do it. Also, something which would really jolt them and cause them to take interest in the actual issue, would be to start proudly reclaiming the Swastika. A good PR exercise focused on this reclamation would also bring a lot of the other Hindu grievances into the open.
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Sudarshan, exactly. Thats why this corona virus shit needs to be carefully handled by ModiJi & Co. Or else, India's business interests will suffer hugely. H&D loss we can take, but not business. And hurting India's business interests is at the core of BIF & TSP strategy.
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Vayutuvan wrote:
chetak wrote:
Yeh, that is fine. But who inserted the word contentious? DDM I suppose.
That struck me too,Vayutuvan saar.

one wonders how any law enacted lawfully by the Indian parliament can be seen as "contentious", especially by a critical govt dept/ministry.
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EphBeeEye goes after Harvardistan and Dera Yale Khan
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Date: Feb. 12, 2020
Contact: Press Office
(202) 401-1576 or press@ed.gov
U.S. Department of Education Launches Investigation into Foreign Gifts Reporting at Ivy League Universities

Since July, the Department has uncovered more than $6 billion in unreported foreign gifts from countries including Qatar, China, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates

WASHINGTON — The U.S. Department of Education announced today it is launching investigations into both Harvard and Yale Universities after it appears both Ivy League higher education institutions potentially failed to report hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign gifts and contracts.

In recent weeks, the Department discovered Yale University may have failed to report at least $375 million in foreign gifts and contracts, choosing not to report any gifts and contracts over the last four years.

The Department is also concerned Harvard University may lack appropriate institutional controls over foreign money and has failed to report fully all foreign gifts and contracts as required by law. This comes after Dr. Charles Lieber, chair of Harvard University’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department, was indicted for lying about his involvement with the Chinese government’s Thousand Talents Plan and admitting that Harvard lacks adequate institutional controls for effective oversight and tracking of very large donations.

“This is about transparency,” said U.S. Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos. “If colleges and universities are accepting foreign money and gifts, their students, donors, and taxpayers deserve to know how much and from whom. Moreover, it’s what the law requires. Unfortunately, the more we dig, the more we find that too many are underreporting or not reporting at all. We will continue to hold colleges and universities accountable and work with them to ensure their reporting is full, accurate, and transparent, as required by the law.”

Section 117 of the Higher Education Act requires American Title IV-eligible colleges and universities to report gifts from, and contracts with, any foreign source that exceed $250,000 in value and to disclose any foreign ownership or control, twice each year.

The Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations described foreign spending on U.S. schools as “a black hole” because colleges and universities “routinely” fail to comply with the law, and reported foreign money can come with strings attached that might compromise academic freedom.

The Department’s records since approximately 1990 show U.S. universities and colleges have reported donations from Qatar, China, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates in excess of $6.6 billion, but this sum may be significantly underestimated. According to investigations by Congress, GAO, and the Department, colleges and universities significantly underreport their foreign gifts and contracts.

The 2019 Senate Report found the following:

Nearly 70% of U.S. schools that received more than $250,000 from Hanban failed to properly report that information to the Department of Education.
From January 2012 to June 2018, 15 U.S. schools reported receiving $15,472,725 directly from Hanban, a propaganda arm of the Chinese government. To get a more comprehensive understanding of Hanban’s spending in the United States, the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations requested financial records from 100 U.S. schools and found Hanban directly contributed $113,428,509 to U.S schools—more than seven times the amount U.S. schools actually reported (Senate Report at p. 70).
On average, fewer than 300 of the approximately 6,000 U.S. colleges and universities report receiving foreign money each year. The data indicates most foreign funds reportedly flow into approximately 50 large institutions.

Additional Information on the Department’s Section 117 Enforcement Actions:

Since July 1, 2019, the Department’s enforcement efforts have triggered the reporting of approximately $6.5 billion in previously undisclosed foreign money.
Ten schools, including Cornell University, Yale University, the University of Colorado Boulder, the University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, the University of Chicago, the University of Pennsylvania, Boston University, Texas A&M University, and Carnegie Mellon University reported approximately $3.6 billion in previously unreported foreign gifts.
The Department has opened eight civil compliance investigations since June 28, 2019.
The Department has reported its preliminary findings to Congress, including:
The largest colleges and universities are multi-billion dollar, multi-national enterprises using opaque foundations, foreign campuses, and other sophisticated legal structures to generate revenue that is intermingled with domestic sources of funding from tuition, grants, and the like.
These colleges and universities actively solicit foreign governments, corporations, and nationals for funds although some donors are known to be hostile to the United States and may be seeking to project “soft power,” steal sensitive and proprietary research and development data and other intellectual property, and spread propaganda benefitting foreign governments.
Although foreign money generally flows into the largest and richest colleges and universities, such money apparently does not reduce or otherwise offset American students’ tuition costs.
Consistent with Congressional and GAO findings, Section 117 reporting is significantly underinclusive and inaccurate.
The Department published for public comment a modern and robust information collection under the Paperwork Reduction Act to promote compliance and transparency. The new information collection appears in the Federal Register, and the new reporting portal will be mandatory for the foreign money reports due by July 31, 2020.

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Opinion page in today’s ⁦@timesofindia ⁩. India’s biggest newspaper. 4 columns & 1 interview. All 5 slamming @narendramodi ⁩, #BJP & #CAA. As they should in a democracy. (Mar 1)

Q: Does a free & critical press make India a fascist country where dissent is muzzled?



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greatde wrote:Seems like the past is repeating itself. The Modi led Gujarat government was fighting a lonely battle, while the entire Indian elites had gang up completely. Now, it's the India government in this lonely fight so far, and there are new foreign opponents in the picture. It took a decade long to win that battle, and so let's see how long it takes to defeat this narrative...
Yes but with same difference. Modi/BJP now head a powerful government with huge legislative mandate and ground level support. That itself will deter a lot of mischief though not all like this UNHRC intervention, etc.

SC needs to send a clear message across.

There is also a way the UNHRC petition can be exploited by India/SC of India if they co-ordinate. E.g. they can start by asking IF UNHRC were to be allowed to intervene in India will it also be subject to Indian jurisdiction? IF yes than when UNHRC is intervening on behalf of Shias, Ahmedis and Hazara's of bakistan then SC sould ask it to submit it report on the situation of these folks inside bakistan and what UNHRC has done to intervene on their behalf in bakistan?

Start asking for all its file & communication with bakistan for all the forced conversion of Hindu/Sikh girsl in bakistan, its effort of get justice for thse unfortunate girls and yada, yada, yada till the UNHRC is literally forced to beg to be let off. IF I was on the bench I would ask so many question on UNHRC's intervention with and in bakistan that they would regret ever getting involved and finally dismiss their petition calling it motivated and bigoted.

But Alas, our GOI and SC of India are very deferential when dealing with a foreign entity.
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IndraD wrote:https://twitter.com/UnSubtleDesi/status ... 19169?s=20
Wikipedia owner is in touch with unsubtle desi and has provided her the email ID. Looks like free run of vandal DBigXRay who was not letting accurate details of Delhi riots getting documented on Wiki is over. He has edited over 300 pages on Wiki, including that of Saurav Kalia whom he changed from martyred to Killed. Great work by tenacious lady.
This is a start but till the GOI gets involved things will continue as they are barring one of two exceptions.

That is why my angst in the last few pages were directed at GOI/Modi of not going after even the lowest hanging fruits! I understand that GOI's intervention will not work everywhere but it is not even making an effort where it will work.

E.g. GOI could publicly declare Wikipedia entries on and related to India as "unreliable" and ask Indians not to reference it or contribute monetarily to it. Keep hammering that message till the founders and administrators get the message.

This is not even interventionist but have we seen the GOI even do that!
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Gerard wrote:UN body goes to Supreme Court on CAA

It appears she doesn't want the law struck down and calls it "commendable". She instead wants "Ahmadi, Hazara and Shia Muslims" to also benefit via article 14 of the constitution. Doesn't mention Rohingya but one wonders since she seeks to have the SC uphold the "fundamental principle of non-refoulement" which is an article of the 1951 refugee convention, which India is NOT a state party to.
The SC should ask her why she has not approached bakistan to get their rights protected in bakistan.
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Cain Marko wrote:^Very interesting sir, and I think that the drafters of the CAA missed the little bus in not allowing for "other minorities". In reality everybody knows and the fact remains that persecuted minorities from TSP, BD,and Afg will almost always be non-muslim. So it might have benefitted in not naming those religious groups and thereby preventing the mass hysteria that has followed.

Nevertheless, the emphasis on NMs in the Lautenberg amendment is clear enough for desis to rebutt the stupidity that they have to deal with from others, esp. desis.

Another counterpoint about the Delhi riots is the fact that if these were the handiwork of the Hingoi (Hindu Nationalist GOI), then why would they push such "pogroms" right during the visit of the POTUS?

We need to have a clear list of simple and effective counters to the fake narratives being bandied about
Ahmedias too would qualify under "minorities" or "other minorities" 'cos they are declared non-muslim in bakistan by law. Tomorrow, if Hazaras are classified as "non-muslim" they too would quality for Indian citizenship under a generic law.
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Vayutuvan wrote:
KL Dubey wrote:Regarding the recent developments:
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Ignore the noise, focus on the signals.
KLD ji all good points. Butcan they pull it off in the next three years? If not, there may not be another term for BJP if one goes by the recent state results - Maha, Delhi come to mind.
Modi/BJP would still equal or beat their GE 2019 tally IF elections where to be held today.

Maharashtra was a win for Modi/BJP and in Delhi, many who vote kujli voted Modi in GE 2019 and will do so again. Modi or his popularity are at no risk even after all that has happened till date.
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